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Cursed Fig Tree

What are your thoughts on the reason Jesus cursed the fig tree in Mark 11:13? Because it said,"for the time of figs was not yet"...

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The FIG tree always represents a cover up (leaves) for our shamefully naked sin in the face of God. It speaks of man's rebellion against God's authority over that of which He has planted on earth. (G3:6)

Reba: I believe you'll find your answer in Mk. 11:27-28. The fruitless, "accursed" fig tree was full of leaves (chief priest, scribes & elders). They chose not to acknowledge Jesus' authority & when He questioned them they chose to cover up & tell a lie, i.e., "we can't tell." Go FIGure! :)

Also, read Ps. 1 & Matt. 25:31-46
---Leon on 5/29/13


can we get back to the fig tree?
---francis on 5/29/13


1: odor protection
2: Stain prevention

none of which will be an issue in the new earth---francis on 5/28/13

Unless it is the breezy time of the day.
Genesis 3:8b
---Nikki on 5/29/13


well, they make me much more comfortable. dumb subject actually.
---shira4368 on 5/28/13


Since we're now deep into giving out waaay too much info about undies, let me ask y'all, what primary purpose do undies serve anyway?
---Leon on 5/28/13
1: odor protection
2: Stain prevention

none of which will be an issue in the new earth
---francis on 5/28/13




Since we're now deep into giving out waaay too much info about undies, let me ask y'all, what primary purpose do undies serve anyway? If there's no heavenly reason to wear undies, will people there really be wearing them? Do you think anyone in Heaven will "really" be focused on undie/non-undie wearing? Go figure left brain! :D
---Leon on 5/28/13


Thus, God's approval of undies.
---Nikki on 5/26/13

fruit of the loom has been around for a while.

fig leaves AND leather. I'D choose one or the other.
---aka on 5/27/13


Yet, another one of your excuses to fuel your con's of not wearing undies.
---Nikki on 5/26/13

Thanks I needed that laugh
I didnot at all expect that response

good one nikki you are killing
---francis on 5/26/13


Even Archbishop Silvano Maria Tomasi of the Holy See stated that about 5% of the Catholic clergy has been involved in sexual abuse...last 50 years, nothing about before then. Do you know how many those are

MarkV, this what I am talking about? I would respect you better if you would tell the whole story.

All I did was apply the word 'did' in front of your Archbishop Silvano Maria Tomasi comment. The website is Wikipedia, and guess what you left out.
His statement, which he didn't tell his sources either states 1.5% to 5%.

Why didn't you put both numbers?
If you intended to pick one why not the 1.5%?

My understanding from the Holy See it was 0.3% of Priest who abused children, not 5%.
---Nikki on 5/26/13


Adam and eve tried to cover themselves with figs leaves, and He took it off them,and covered them with skin--francis on 5/26/13

Nice try buddy!

Yet, another one of your excuses to fuel your con's of not wearing undies.

Adam and Eve used the fig leaves for loincloths.
No mentioning of God removing them, but covering them up with leather garments.

Thus, God's approval of undies.
---Nikki on 5/26/13




My first thought was that Jesus did not like figs

Adam and eve tried to cover themselves with figs leaves, and He took it off them,and covered them with skin

But my second though was that the fig tree represented and unfruitful nation, which needed to be cursed, by having thier temple left desolate
---francis on 5/26/13


Nikki, you asked me a question on another blog that closed and it had to do with the pedophiles in the RCC. The information is on the net. The cases in all dioceses in the states and other countries. I cannot write the website here. Even Archbishop Silvano Maria Tomasi of the Holy See stated that about 5% of the Catholic clergy has been involved in sexual abuse. This was only about the last 50 years, nothing about before then. Do you know how many those are?
---Mark_V. on 5/26/13


Nikki, here's what the sinful, accursed fig tree (full of leaves) really looks like:

2 Timothy 3:1-8 (NIV) "...: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people...these teachers oppose the truth. They are men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected..."
---Leon on 5/19/13


I always thought it was because the tree was fruitless even though it had all the necessities needed to produce fruit.

In other words.
A Christian person who doesn't show Christ in their life.

Not just talk, but action.
You would expect godly actions from a Christian, not a non christian.
Just like Jesus expected fruit from a fig tree that had leaves on itself.
Far away it look like it would have figs because of it's leaves. Dried up tree, or brownish tree no one would think it had figs on it.
---Nikki on 5/11/13


The FIG tree always represents a cover up (leaves) for our shamefully naked sin in the face of God. It speaks of man's rebellion against God's authority over that of which He has planted on earth. (G3:6)

Reba: I believe you'll find your answer in Mk. 11:27-28. The fruitless, "accursed" fig tree was full of leaves (chief priest, scribes & elders). They chose not to acknowledge Jesus' authority & when He questioned them they chose to cover up & tell a lie, i.e., "we can't tell." Go FIGure! :)

Also, read Ps. 1 & Matt. 25:31-46
---Leon on 5/11/13


Rebah 2: in the parable of Luke 13:1-9) after Jesus explained to them to repent, He gave a parable about a certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard and came seeking fruit and found none, so then told the keeper of his vineyard to wait three years and then look to see if it had fruit and if not to cut it down.
The fig tree as the symbol of Israel and represented a nation spiritually empty and barren dispict the help of God, it look good but it was all show.
The man who planted the fig tree was God, the dresser of the vineyard was Jesus Christ.
---Mark_V. on 3/12/13


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Reba, I hear most of the answers and if we read where Jesus cursed the fig tree in Mark 11:13, was that the tree looked good to the eyes and Jesus knew it was not the season for figs, yet He cursed it anyway. In the parable of (Luke 13:3-9) the parable of the fig tree represented the nation of Israel. In the passage in Mark, Jesus used the tree by the road as a divine object lesson concerning Israel's spiritual hypocrisy and fruitlessness. (Hosea 9:10) tells us
"I found Israel Like grapes in the wilderness, I saw your fathers as the firstfruits on the fig tree in its first season. But they went to Baal Peor, and separated themselves to the shame. They became an abomination like the thing they loved"
---Mark_V. on 3/12/13


//---jan4378 on 3/11/13//

Welcome sis,

God bless you,
Shalom
---char on 3/11/13


---char on 3/11/13

Very interesting information Char, thank you for taking the time to provide it.
---jan4378 on 3/11/13


God expects us to produce fruits (good works) with His graces during all seasons, not when is it the time for us according to us.
---Nikki on 3/11/13


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//Or does it cover both at different times?-jan4378 on 3/10/13//----Yes.

Example:
Jer 6 tells us there wasn't an ounce of silver or gold, found within -only - traditions of men.
In Jer 7 God tells Jeremiah, not to enter in but "stand in the gate" and proclaim...
Jer 7:2 "Stand in the gate of the LORD's house, and proclaim there this word, and say, Hear the word of the LORD, all ye of Judah, that enter in at these gates to worship the LORD."

*Hebraism:Unripe fig understood as fallen "off" the mark/path/tree.[ra] dysfunctional.

Jer 7:3 "Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, Amend your ways and your doings, and I will cause you to dwell in this place."
Continued'
---char on 3/11/13


Continued'

Jer 7:3 "Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, Amend your ways and your doings, and I will cause you to dwell in this place."

Re - turn to the treeAmend---repent---make changesback to a ripe fig.

The only "Way of Yah' to become rip is In/through/by "Christ"
Released from bondage/imprisonment/enslavement from the weak nature of the flesh.
Is 53:6
6 All we like sheep have gone astray, we have turned every one to his own way, and the LORD hath (laid [paga]) on him the iniquity of us all.

"pag" (unripe fig)-root of paga and unripe fig is out of season

Remission: Release from bondage/imprisonment/enslavement is from repentance.

Jn3:16
---char on 3/11/13


//Char, is "naughty" the actual translation? I couldn't help but chuckle when I read it to think of figs that way :) ---jan4378 on 3/10/13//

I chuckle many times when thinking how lame mankind can be at times -(myself included):)

As to your questions:

The Hebrew word is [ra] which means (dysfunctional)
With Semitic or Hebraism the perspective is based on (function/action) and is witness with the History of the (walk/journey) of Abraham and his family whom Elohyim chose as His witness that His Is (Exist) (God I Am)Isaiah 43

[Tov] is defined (functional) and [ra] is defined (dysfunctional)
tree of the knowledge of (good[tov]) and (evil[ra])

Continued'
---char on 3/11/13


---char on 3/9/13

Bethphage: stgs 967 "the house of figs"

Jer 24:2 "One basket had very good figs, even like the figs that are first ripe: and the other basket had very naughty figs, which could not be eaten, they were so bad."


Char, is "naughty" the actual translation? I couldn't help but chuckle when I read it to think of figs that way :)

Which does Bethphage stand for, good or bad figs? Or does it cover both at different times?
---jan4378 on 3/10/13


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Fig tree:

Mark 11:1 And when they came nigh to Jerusalem, unto Bethphage and Bethany, at the mount of Olives, He sendeth forth two of His disciples,"

Bethphage: stgs 967 "the house of figs"

Mount of Olives:for olive oil is the oil of our people

Unripe fig: descendents of Cain.
Kenites: descendents of Cain

Jer 24:2 "One basket had very good figs, even like the figs that are first ripe: and the other basket had very naughty figs, which could not be eaten, they were so bad."

The tribe of Judah, the house of Judah went with the bad figs, or Kenites to reestablish the nation
I Chr 2:55

Continued'
---char on 3/9/13


God had set up those who were Teach:to point, advise, urge, provide, sharpen, and show His people

"The Way of Yah",

but...

Both baskets returned to set up this nation of Israel, "the very good figs, and the very naughty figs".

I Chr 2:55, (Kenites) are not of the house of Israel or of Judah, They are descendant of Cain -
of the house of Rechab


Jer 35:18 "And Jeremiah [the prophet] said unto the house of the Rechabites, "Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: "Because ye have obeyed the commandments of Jonadab your father, and kept all his precepts, and done according unto all that he hath commanded you:"
---char on 3/9/13


Some nice, well thought out responses here.
I also see the humanity of Jesus on display.
"seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves"
I see Jesus pronouncing a judgment on "appearances".
---Legends on 3/8/13


What are your thoughts on the reason Jesus cursed the fig tree in Mark 11:13? Because it said,"for the time of figs was not yet"

Jesus cursed the fig tree for not bearing fruit for the same reason that any farmer would cut down a fruit tree that isn't bearing fruit.

As Matthew 7:19 states.
---jan4378 on 3/8/13


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"But, the thing I don't understand is, Why would the Lord have cursed the fig tree for not bearing fruit..." Gordon

That's because He knows which "trees" belongs to Him from eternity. Christ explicitly declared, "A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit." Ask any farmer and they'll confirm this to be true. Hence the analogy is that of an elect and a reprobate - the sheep and the goat, the wheat and the tares, the wise and the foolish - all are of the same teaching.

"To him the porter openeth, and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out." John 10:3
---christan on 3/3/13


Sorry folks, I posted the VOTE: FORGIVENESS question in a last second rush out the door for church tonight & obviously posted it on the wrong blog. It was to be a NEW question, not this one. But hey, guess this is a new way to prove forgiveness huh?! :-)Really,Really sorry:-(
---Reba on 3/3/13


Vote: Forgiveness-
A) Forgive & Accept the offender back into your life as if no wrong was ever done.
B) Forgive,be friendly, helpful & Even fellowship-BUT, it's ok to never put your complete trust in that person again.
---Reba on 3/3/13


The time of the fig is not yet, says Mark, for it was just before Passover, about six weeks before the fully-formed fig appears...When the fig leaves appear about the end of March, they are accompanied by a crop of small knobs, called taqsh by the Arabs, a sort of fore-runner of the real figs. These taqsh are eaten by peasants and others when hungry. They drop off before the real fig is formed. But if the leaves appear unaccompanied by taqsh, there will be no figs that year. So it was evident to our Lord...that the absence of the taqsh meant that there would be no figs when the time of figs came. For all its fair foliage, it was a fruitless and a hopeless tree."

from Are The New Testament Documents Reliable? FF Bruce
---James_L on 3/3/13


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But, the thing I don't understand is, Why would the Lord have cursed the fig tree for not bearing fruit when it wasn't even time for it to bear fruits yet? It wasn't the season to bear fruits. So, it's understandable that He cursed it as a "Lesson" for us in the importance of bearing Good Fruits and not drying up. But, why curse it at the time when He did? And, since the Lord YAHUSHUA is God, there had to've been a good explanation for this seeming contradiction.
---Gordon on 3/3/13


One has to know Christ's teaching of the good and bad tree: "Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them." Matthew 7:17-20

The tree is symbolic of God's creation of only two category of mankind, "the vessel of honor and dishonor". Only He knows who are His but for the man, we will see this manifesting from the fruits they bear.

The fig tree was an example of what happens to a "bad tree", which judgement by Christ came upon it.
---christan on 3/2/13


Seg, you brought up an interesting point. Faith: if had been time for the fig tree to produce figs & it hadn't- then people could think there'd be a possible reason for it to wither, maybe just a sick, weak tree. However, since it wasn't even at the point of bearing fruit yet, obviously a healty tree, Jesus spoke the Word & ... Faith at work!:-) That very well could be the lesson here. Thanks for your thoughts.:-)
---Reba on 3/2/13


I think the lesson was when they came back to the fig tree and witness it.

The words in Mat_21:21 seem to say:
If you really have faith, you will do these things I did to the fig tree.
Clearly the way some of us talk on these blogs is proof of that!

But it also seems to say you should remove the things you put in front of each other.
Mar_11:25-26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

Don't think it's about fruits:
1Co_3:7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth, but God that giveth the increase.

Well that's my take on it.
Just forgive each other!
Peace
---TheSeg on 3/2/13


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Anon, I too believe He cursed it because there was no fruit on it when He was hungry & wanted some to eat. & yes, that is the teaching to believers also. What I'm curious about is, since the same verse says that it wasn't time for the tree to be bearing fruit "at that time", why then did He curse the tree? It's something that made me curious knowing that Jesus is ALWAYS right in His judgements, why curse the tree for not bearing fruit, IF it wasn't supposed to be bearing fruit at THAT time? :-) Like I said, just curious & looking forward to all your thoughts on why, when obviously, the tree was doing what it was supposed to....? There must be a lesson in there that I'm COMPLETELY not seeing:-/
---Reba on 3/2/13


I thought the cursed fig tree represents the spiritually dead people? Not sure.
If people are not bearing fruit, Jesus said they will be cut off and thrown into the fire.

Is that why Jesus cursed the fig tree? It wasn't bearing fruit? And it represents Christians who are not bearing fruit? Not 100% sure.
---anon on 3/2/13


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