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Where Is Sinners Prayer

Where is the sinners prayer in the bible? Romans Chapter 10 tells us to BELIEVE in your heart, not open it up and let someone in.

Have people been deceived into believing that the sinners prayer is what saved them?

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Nikki, I do hope you do not take my last post in anyway to be a criticism - which it is not! I like the Catholic Church as much as any denominational

blessings
---Peter on 4/15/13


Nikki, I would like to contact you to know how to become a Catholic

How do I do that?
---James on 4/15/13


"baptized" simply means "immersed" and has no religious meaning at all. It doesn't even have to refer to water.---James_L

We can tell which baptism Jesus spoke of by the way His Apostles baptized others.

Act 10:47 "can anyone withhold the water for baptizing these people,who have received the holy 'spirit even as we have?"

Acts8:36-39 Philip with the Eunuch- As they traveled along the road they came to some water. What is to prevent my being baptized?? Then he ordered the chariots to stop, and Phillip and the eunuch both went down into the water, and he baptized him.

We can assume when Jesus order baptism to the Apostle in Matt 28:19-20 they are doing as He requested.
---Nikki on 4/16/13


Anon, concerning your question. It's dangerous to take one verse and build a religion on it. We see this happening all the time even with others who fail to read the whole council of God.

Firstly, when the Gospel was FIRST preached at pentecost, it was preached to JEWS, who knew more than anyone, that a Messiah was promised to take away sin. And if you read Acts, most of those verses were addressed to Jews who had just Crucified The Lord. Many OT scriptures were reiterated that opened some eyes, and made others furious enough, even to murder Stephen.

Paul in Romans is stating a fact, but from Chapter 1 on is laying a foundation and building up to what he said in Romans 10.
---kathr4453 on 4/16/13


John 3:21_24 "But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea, and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.
For John was not yet cast into prison."
---Nana on 4/16/13




Every prayer mentioned in the scriptures is a sinners prayer except those prayed by Christ.

One of my favorites is:
Lu18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

If you believe that you have to pray a prayer in order to be saved then you do not understand:
John3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
---trey on 4/16/13


\\I don't know, but it seems many Christians has replaced Jesus order of baptism in Mark 16:16 for the sinners prayer.\\
---Nikki on 4/15/13

I think you have the wrong baptism in mind. "baptized" simply means "immersed" and has no religious meaning at all. It doesn't even have to refer to water

As we discussed about a month ago, there are various baptisms - Holy Spirit and Spirit water in Mark 1:8, suffering in Mark 10:35-45, and even pots and cups were "baptized" in Mark 7:1-4

But, even if I think you have the wrong baptism in mind, I could very well be wrong too.

The bottom line is that there is not enough context to determine exactly what type of immersion Jesus had in mind.
---James_L on 4/15/13


---Nikki on 4/15/13
I don't know, but it seems many Christians has replaced Jesus order of baptism in Mark 16:16 for the sinners prayer.

Actually, Nikki, Mark 16:16 says TWO things: Believe and be baptised - and the order appears to be first believe and then be baptised? The odd thing is that the opposite (Mk 16:16) he who does NOT BELIEVE will be condemned. Only not BELIEVE....

Obviously it does tell us to be baptized, I agree. But the only one it says is he who does not BELIEVE will be condemned- but it does not say he who is not BAPTIZED will be condemned?

Why, I wonder?

Blessings
---Peter on 4/15/13


markv, I like your last post concerning being saved. that is the way I see it all along. I surely don't think I am nothing and I am nothing. Im not even a good sinner saved by grace. I don't know how you can think I feel I am special but to think of it, all God's children are special. I knew all along you were saved but now we are on the same page.
---shira4368 on 4/15/13


markv, please accept my apology for the rude comment I made. God did forgive me and now you must.
---shira4368 on 4/15/13




Shira, I really don't understand why you say things that way you do. here you said:
" Somehow you think God thinks you are more special than us regular folks."
Where do you get that idea? If you are one of the saved, it includes you, and the family you said got saved by God. Everyone who is saved is special in the eyes of God. Were those going to hell special to God? If they were, they too would be saved. It is said of God,"who has saved us and called us with a Holy Calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus, "before time began" (2 Tim. 1:9).
Why do you reject this Truth?
---Mark_V. on 4/15/13


My Bible says CALL UPON.. And we see verses 13-15 show us how God has made it possible for man to CALL UPON ...
Romans 10:13-15

13 For whosoever shall "call upon " the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
---kathr4453 on 4/15/13


I don't know, but it seems many Christians has replaced Jesus order of baptism in Mark 16:16 for the sinners prayer.
---Nikki on 4/15/13


Marks, I have never suggested man is saved by man. You twist things around to suit yourself. You think twisting my words helps your cause? Somehow you think God thinks you are more special than us regular folks. Only you think that. You are trying to convert everyone here to your belief and you think you are the only one who is "chosen". God help you.
---shira4368 on 4/14/13


Shira, Hebrews 3-4 say exactly what I said, they were preached the Gospel same as we, and uses the promise land as that example. Then goes on to say why they did not enter in, because they lacked faith to take what was already theirs. We see the responsibility to enter in was on the people, not on God. God provides the promise, and we by faith believe and act on that promise.

God did not have to give EXTRA faith to enter in, or just faith to a certain few elect to enter in.

It wasn't God's fault they did not enter in, it was theirs.

Hebrews 3-4 prove Markv's doctrine is a lie.
---kathr4453 on 4/14/13


"Most misunderstand the phrases call on the name of the Lord and shall be saved

"Call On" His Name means known by His Name - Gr epikaleo
In times of persecution, AFTER conversion, if we "confess with our mouths" that we are known by His Name, we "shall be saved"
---James_L on 4/7/13


I was one of those "most" that you refer to and had a different understanding from yours. I have said those words, not with the meaning you have brought up. I recall a blog question by atheist where I gave that as part of a response. If I could retract those words, I would.
---chria9396 on 4/14/13


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Marks please read what I said. We do have a choice to receive or reject Christ. Many people that God deals with reject Him.
---shira4368 on 4/14/13


Shira, you argue for man's free will and how he has the choice to reject or accept the Lord, and then say:
"If you have never been convicted of your sin you are not saved."
I was convicted of my sin by God the Holy Spirit, and if I hadn't, I would still be lost. So you see if the Holy Spirit who is God does not convicted me I would still be lost. Who did the convicting? God. If He does not convict, you remain lost. "So, He has to convict you before you feel the need to repent of your sin against God." You give the glory to man for his salvation, when it is God who convicts the lost. No conviction by God, no salvation.
---Mark_V. on 4/14/13


Kathr what are you talking about? What did I say to earn your comment about the promise land?
---Shira4368 on 4/13/13


James L, you had nothing, zero, just as I thought. Anyone can say what you did. I could say the same about you, but there is no reason for me to say such things without giving the reason why. It would be unfair for me to accuse you of being blind to Scripture unless I showed the Scriptures. I do not warn anyone, if they are lost they are lost, if they are saved they are saved. Thanks for your answer.
---Mark_V on 4/14/13


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Marks you are becoming ridiculous. You don't know what u r talking about. God did deal and my husband and he rejected for years. He WAS saved feb 04. I lived it and I know it. No matter what you say we do have free will to embrace or reject. If you have never been convicted of your sin you are not saved.
---shira4368 on 4/14/13


I don't recall Shira saying God failed at all. God saves those who want to be saved.

If I offer you free bread to sustain your life, and tell you to freely come to get it, and you don't...I'm not a failure.

God Gave Israel the promise land, but THEY did not go over and take what was freely given. Did God fail? NO, THEY FAILED to BELIEVE stepping out to receive what was already theirs.

God did not force them over, or mysteriously put them there, although it WAS HIS WILL THEY CLAIM THE PROMISE.

We do have to take part. Scripture makes that perfectly clear.
---kathr4453 on 4/13/13


\\Then be man enough to show me on what passages I am blind on so that you can teach me because you are a good Christian brother.\\
---Mark_V. on 4/13/13

I tried for about two years to show you, patiently and from scripture, where you err.

But, just as when Paul spoke to many in the book of Acts, some believe yet some refuse. You are aomng those who refuse.

You beleve many traditions over scriptural truth.

So, I have almost completely abandoned any hope of convincing you from scripture. I simply warn others, as I would against a heretic

I cannot open the eyes of anyone. That is a task for none other than God Himself
---James_L on 4/13/13


James L 2: you say I think highly of myself, what makes you say that is that I have studied all topics in the Bible and you just don't like it. You can do that too, if the Spirit of God guides you to studied as Scripture commands us, to be approved, and you would know as much as me. And what I know is very little compared to those who given their whole lives to studying. For 49 years I did not study the Bible until God saved me. Instead of complaining ask God to give you the passion to learn all the topics and He will. There is many here who know the topics better then me. I encourage them to continue to bring the Truth.
---Mark_V. on 4/13/13


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James L, since your man enough to say,

"You also think a little too highly of yourself. If this were only about you, I wouldn't bother because you've demonstrated over and over that you are somewhat blind."
Then be man enough to show me on what passages I am blind on so that you can teach me because you are a good Christian brother.
But instead you accuse me, show your proof. And it is not about me, that is your own opinion, my opinion is that it is all about God and His glory. You don't like it either to be questioned, go ahead and question me on Scripture. I will do my best to answer you kindly, and if I don't have an answer I will tell you. But if you want to just throw stones, get behind Kathr and the others.
---Mark_V. on 4/13/13


Gordon, I know what you are saying, you are saying you belief in E.G. White. Another false prophet. You mentioned to me there is prophets out there, boy you sure hooked up with the big one. No wonder your stories are so far out. This story of Noah is getting bigger everyday. Now Mrs Noah had triplets. More speculations. When will all of it stop? I guess not anytime soon.
---Mark_V. on 4/3/13


MarkV is famous for his drive by shootings, falsely accusing others and never being man enough to apologize when pointed out he shot the wrong person.

JamesL, take it with a grain of salt!
---kathr4453 on 4/12/13


Shira, I'm happy many family members are saved. But they were saved by the will of God. Jesus said: ""With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." you say of your husband,
" God did not deal with him again until 15 yrs later. people get saved in different ways. they all have a choice to receive or reject."
If God dealed with him the first time and he was not saved, you conclude God failed because your husband did not let Him. But God successed 15 years later. How could God failed? He is perfect and His works are perfect. With the free will concept believers make comments like that, it strips God of His Omnipotence. If He failed, His not God. God never fails, idol gods fail.
---Mark_V. on 4/12/13


markv, my son was saved after he came home from church one night. he was alone in his home. my grandson woke me up at 12:15 one night after I had gone to sleep. he told me to wake up, he had to get saved. he had not been to church that day. all of us could have chosen to accept or reject. I watched my husband one night in church cling on to the seat in front of us. when I peeked and he walked out of his seat, I thought he was going to the altar but he scooted out the door. God did not deal with him again until 15 yrs later. people get saved in different ways. they all have a choice to receive or reject.
---shira4368 on 4/12/13


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"Election" and "Predestination are two different things .

Election means a person has been chosen for a special service. Predestination means God has predetermined that those who become Christians will have certain attributes, Romans 8:29-30 and Ephesians 1:4-5, are talking about what takes place after a person is saved.


Groups of Election:
Nation of Israel: Deut 7:6,7
Election means the same in the OT and NT. If the election of the Nation of Israel is talking about salvation, all present day Jews should be saved.


Jesus: 1 Peter 2:4,6* Luke 9:35, Luke 23:35
Angels:1 Timothy 5:21
Jesus didnt need to be saved, nor did the angels


144,000 Rev 7:4, Rev 17:14
---kathr4453 on 4/12/13


\\James L, when you respond to me it is alway to try to find a holes in what I say.\\
---Mark_V. on 4/11/13

I'm not looking for holes, or trying to find holes at all. I respond because I've already found them.

What I'm trying to do is show other people where your beliefs are inconsistent within themselves, and inconsistent with scripture.

And of course you don't "see" my points because you're blind to some biblical truth.

You also think a little too highly of yourself. If this were only about you, I wouldn't bother because you've demonstrated over and over that you are somewhat blind.

But there are thousands of people who pass by this site all the time who aren't discerning enough
---James_L on 4/12/13


Shira, I do not question your salvation only how you say you were saved. When someone mentions that they saved themselves by excercising their own free will then I know they are wrong for no one deserves salvation, not one person. Believers are called to make their salvation sure. So the question is, "Do they have a true love for Christ?" For only genuine believers have a true love for Christ. Second, "we must examine the fruit of our faith." There must be some evidence of the fruit of obedience for our profession of faith to be credible. We seek our assurance from the Word of God through which the Holy Spirit bears witness to our spirit that we are His children.
---Mark_V. on 4/12/13


James L, when you respond to me it is alway to try to find a holes in what I say. You come and go as Nana and a few others, who throw a few jabs and then disappear. I do not mind, I know it is the normal thing to do with many, just that in the beginning you were not like that. So yes, I can discern people who do that. I can tell if it is for the glory of God or not.
You are welcome to ask me anything you want whenever you want, and I will do my best to answer you kindly and with the Truth. By the way, all human beings with the exception of Jesus Christ, are sinners, For all come short of the glory of God. But we are sinners saved by the grace of God through faith in Jesus Christ works and His resurrection.
---Mark_V. on 4/11/13


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\\I didn't say the passage in (John 9:31) had "without faith" for the simple reason it doesn't.\\
---Mark_V. on 4/10/13

I never accused you of saying the verse had that. But you qualified that verse by saying "without faith"

What I asked is where does scripture qualify it as you did?

It seems that you qualified it to mean that God will listen to a sinner who has faith

The point I was getting at is that the verse implies that if someone worships God and does His will, that person is not a sinner.

I wasn't venting any frustrations, or looking for anything, it just struck me as odd.

But, if you think you can discern the thoughts and intentions of a man, more power to you
---James_L on 4/10/13


markv, when I hear preaching I need to hear scripture too. if the preacher don't give scripture then I research my bible. I am not as you say. I am a born again child of the King. an heir to God's throne. you don't know me but you judge me anyway. I believe Christ died for the world just as scripture says. I am not stiff necked enough to believe God sent His only Son to die for a few chosen. God predestined us all to be saved if we will believe in our heart.
---shira4368 on 4/10/13


Shira, I am sorry you are grounded very well in what you belief. That tells me no matter what anyone post from Scripture or what you hear from any good pastor, it will mean nothing to you. So I will not pound you with the Truth. If you want to continue to believe you are saved by your own free will, then that is your destiney. I cannot help you. So peace I leave you. And I really mean that.
---Mark_V. on 4/10/13


James L, I see you wanted to vent your frustrations so you looked for holes in my answers. You say,
"Where does scripture qualify that verse by "without faith" ??
It says simply that God does not hear sinners - PERIOD."
there is no period for it continues with the second part. I didn't say the passage in (John 9:31) had "without faith" for the simple reason it doesn't. I know they had no faith because the second part of the passage says:
"but if anyone is a worshipper of God and does His will, He will hear them" implying that only the worshippers of God have faith. Unbelievers do not have faith and don't worship God. For the glory of God I give you the answer you were looking for.
---Mark_V. on 4/10/13


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God hears the prayers of a repentant heart. God knows those who respond to the Gospel. But is FAITH a prayer? Not always. Is someone saying our awesome all knowing all those OMNI's God doesn't know when one has FAITH in His Word, His promises? He can't be much of a God then if he doesn't. But let's look at Cornelius. How did God KNOW an unsaved man named Cornelius was PRAYING, where God sent an angel to tell Peter to go and preach the Gospel to Cornelius? IF Cornelius was already saved, none of that would have happened.

Shira, Markv is nit picking now, and if your RESIST his pounding and pounding it will escalate where he will start calling you a LIAR on every blog.
---kathr4453 on 4/10/13


markv, I know God does not hear the prayers of the lost. where did you come up with that one? I have never mentioned that here. when we are born again, the Holy Spirit comes to dwell in us. then God molds us into what he would have us to be. His will. we will come forth as gold. We work for Christ because we are saved.
---shira4368 on 4/9/13


markv, you are starting to nik pik me. what I said was when we are under conviction,we are drawn to receive Christ. some reject him but I didn't go to seek after Christ, I was under conviction. you don't need to pound anything to me. I am grounded well in my faith.
---shira4368 on 4/9/13


\\God does not listen to sinners without faith.
"Now we know that God does not hear sinners, "but if anyone is a worshipper of God and does His will, He hears him." (John 9:31).\\
---Mark_V. on 4/9/13


Where does scripture qualify that verse by "without faith" ??

It says simply that God does not hear sinners - PERIOD.

Those Jews were possibly referring to Isaiah 59:2

Your iniquities have separated you from your God, your sins have hidden His face from you, so that He will not hear.
---James_L on 4/9/13


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Kathr, you have no clue what you are talking about. A person does not get crucified and then born again. He is born again and then crucified with Christ

#3 and then endwelled by the Spirit for ministry. ------Mark_V. on 4/9/13


So you think being indwelt with the Holy Spirit is only for ministry After you are what??? OR is being indwelt by the Holy Spirit that of being Born Again, Born of the Spirit.

Now you say you are Indwelt twice? one first at regeneration and here again your #3? So you are teaching two entirely different Holy Spirit experiences? Not according to scripture MarkV.
---kathr4453 on 4/9/13


Shira 3, I am pounding the truth to you right now. Only believers through faith, seek after God with a humble heart. It is important for all to know that. God does not listen to sinners without faith.
"Now we know that God does not hear sinners, "but if anyone is a worshipper of God and does His will, He hears him." (John 9:31). We, as believers, are commanded to seek God in all things. And to seek Him with a humble heart, knowing that He and He alone can help us through our tribulations. Those words are for believers only.
---Mark_V. on 4/9/13


Kathr, you have no clue what you are talking about. A person does not get crucified and then born again. He is born again and then crucified with Christ and then endwelled by the Spirit for ministry. No one lost gets crucified. Only those who are born of the Spirit who believe through faith are crucified with Christ, baptized into the body of Christ. Get your facts right. Only those who are alive to Christ get crucified with Christ.

"NO ONE LOST IS CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST."
---Mark_V. on 4/9/13


MarkV, according to your logic, it don't have a problem with infant baptism?

A Jewish male infant didn't ask to be circumcised.

As far as Lazarus goes, he didn't have to ask Jesus to bring him back to life. You are assuming Lazarus have a thought or say in the situation.
How do you know that?

Jesus knew Lazarus wanted to be brought back to life.
Lazarus didn't complain when he was brought back to life like Samuel complain when Saul had him disturbed.

Jesus knows all things.
---Nikki on 4/9/13


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No MarkV Lazarus was raised physicaly from the dead, not spiritualy from the dead.

We are not spiritually raised from the dead until we are first crucified with Christ and THEN raised from the dead a New Creature in Christ. You insist one is crucified with Christ first and raised with Christ a New Creature in order to have faith to believe. Believe what MarkV?

No belief is necessary if one is already saved by His life. To be saved BY HIS LIFE is to be raised up together with Him AKA Born Again.

You again overlook the first step of JUSTIFICATION. God Justifies the UNGODLY not the Godly.

Or are you saying you are Born Again first and then die again to be given faith to be Born Again AGAIN...that's nuts.
---kathr4453 on 4/9/13


Nikki, a person who is lost is lost. Condemned already (John 3:18,19). Dead in trespasses and sin (Eph. 2:1). The lost, of himself, is unable to give himself spiritual life. He needs to be free from the bondage of sin and alive to Christ, before he can make a choice for Christ. The Spirit of God gives that lost person spiritual life and frees him from bondage. Spiritually he is together with Christ at the moment of his regeneration by God the Holy Spirit (Eph. 2:4:10). God does not force the lost to love Christ.
Remember Lazarus? he was dead. And Jesus commanded him to rise and come forward. Did he say while dead, "I want to remain dead" No. He rose from the dead and became alive to Christ.
---Mark_V. on 4/9/13


If you say God gave us free will, if you look in the Bible you will not find those passages. They have a choice but they will never choose Christ while dead in trespasses and sin, they need be alive to Christ to choose Christ.--Mark_V. on 4/8/13

How can you be alive to Christ at the beginning?
We are all dead in trespasses and sin.
In our sin we get actual grace from God to chose Him or continue to live in sin. But, the grace is there if we freely choose to accept the grace.
God can't and won't force Himself on us.
We are free creatures as the Angels. 1/3 of the Angels rejected God. They had free will as we do.
---Nikki on 4/9/13


Shira 2: You said:
"they that sow in tears shall reap in joy. we must seek God with conviction and tears."
Did not Jesus say that with men it is impossible? No one who is lost seeks after God. You say they have to seek, yes they have to seek but none do. As it is written:
"There is none righteous, no, not one,
There is none who understands,
"There is none who seeks of God"

In order for man to seek Christ with a convicted heart, they need the Holy Spirit to change their hearts, grant them faith and repentance. Otherwise they remain lost. With men it is impossible, but with God all things are possible.
I will pound this Truth so that those who believe will give the glory to God.
---Mark_V. on 4/9/13


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Markv, has it ever occurred to you that not everyone needs help in understanding their own personal relationship with The Lord. And others don't need help in learning how to read. They already know how to read.

And certainly when no one has asked for your help, it's rather obnoxious to force your help on others.

I've never asked or wanted your help.

Only a person who thinks more highly of himself than he should feels he needs to HELP others understand when they clearly see your just a man, who has an agenda for his own glory. A recruiter for Calvinism.

The Holy Spirit is our teacher Markv, and our understanding is in the Grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ, not your interpretation of Jesus Christ.
---kathr4453 on 4/9/13


Shira, pounding you say? You can remain as you are at no cost to my soul. I am trying to help you. You seem like a descent sister, one who would be open for the Truth, "Who then can be saved? But Jesus said to them, "With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." (Matt. 19:25,26) You then conclude, that Jesus was lying, that it is possible with men, all they have to do is use their free will. No, you do not need my help, you know what is right and what is wrong. You even get support from Kathr.
I will be waiting to see one passage where God said man's will was free. Or the other way, a passage that states that God gave all men a free will. I know already you will come out empty.
---Mark_V. on 4/8/13


kathr, markv can pound the ground all day long but I am sound in my belief and I believe in free will because its in God's Word.
---shira4368 on 4/8/13

I know you are Shira, Praise God!
---kathr4453 on 4/8/13


they that sow in tears shall reap in joy. we must seek God with conviction and tears. we need to be broken before we can receive salvation. cluny, I have never said or even suggestion you can only be saved if you come to the altar. I have seen some saved and they weren't even close to a church. kathr, markv can pound the ground all day long but I am sound in my belief and I believe in free will because its in God's Word.
---shira4368 on 4/8/13


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Markv, you are getting yourself in trouble again and again with this free will business you just have to pound in the ground till it can't be pounded anymore.

Shira did not contradict herself. Having faith and believing God is what gives God the Glory Markv.

When we believe God and not satan, God gets the Glory. Every time a sinner places their faith in Jesus Christ GOD GETS THE GLORY.

Picking fights here online with everyone is not bringing Glory to God, but Glory to your own false doctrine.

Everytime a soul is saved the Angels in Heaven shout and God Gets the Glory.
---kathr4453 on 4/8/13


Re: Rom 10:9-13 (part 1)
Most misunderstand the phrases call on the name of the Lord and shall be saved

"Call On" His Name means known by His Name - Gr epikaleo
Acts 10:5, 18, 32, 11:13 Simon "known by" the name Peter (Acts 10)

Acts 1:23 Barsabbas "known as" Justus

Acts 15:17, the Gentiles who "bear God's Name" - Amos 9:12

Acts 12:12, 25 John "known as" Mark

Matt 10:25 Jesus was "called" Beelzebul

Has nothing to do with saying a prayer, or initial conversion

In times of persecution, AFTER conversion, if we "confess with our mouths" that we are known by His Name, we "shall be saved"
---James_L on 4/7/13


Psa_6:8 Depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity, for the LORD hath heard the voice of my weeping.

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat_7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

people are taught that when the seed is planted, all will come to fruition. this is not the truth.
---aka on 4/8/13


Shira, you say,
" Please show me where I contradicted myself." If you read your post you gave the glory to God on the first sentence, then turn around and gave the glory to man on the next sentence.
Then you say:
" God does not contradict" That's true. God does not contradict Himself, the reason God never mentions the will of man is free. Why? Because it is in bondage to sin. A slave to sin. Lost man is doing the desires of their father the devil. It is all in Scripture.
If you say God gave us free will, if you look in the Bible you will not find those passages. They have a choice but they will never choose Christ while dead in trespasses and sin, they need be alive to Christ to choose Christ.
---Mark_V. on 4/8/13


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Oh, I'm afraid so! A sinners prayer, God, Himself, will initiate when He goes to save a lost soul. A sinners prayer is not in the Bible.
---Catherine on 4/7/13


Marks, I must respond from the free will blog . Please show me where I contradicted myself. God does not contradict and God says we have free will. Jesus had free will too because He could have called 10,000 angels to save Him but He freely died for THE WHOLE WORLD
---shira_4368 on 4/7/13


To be saved, one must believe the gospel of grace. The gospel of grace revealed to Paul, is that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, FREELY gave His life as the perfect sacrifice to pay for all of our sins, was crucified, buried, and rose from the dead on the third day.
---michael_e on 4/7/13


When God brings someone to spiritual life by drawing them to Himself, they become ready to hear the gospel. And makes ways for them to hear it. At regeneration God gives them faith, convicts their heart of sin, and put the love of God within them, and they can do nothing but come to Christ with love for Him. God makes them able to truly commit.
---Mark_V. on 3/11/13

I like Jesus' answer better. Sweet and to the point.
It's in Mark's gospel, Your name sake.

Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved: whoever does not believe will be condemned.
Mark 16:16
---Nikki on 3/11/13


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\\ I am so blessed he was saved when he passed away. he smiled when he passed away and I know he saw something he liked.
---shira4368 on 3/11/13\\

And how do you know that what he saw was not a demonic delusion, shira?

These frequently happen in articulo mortis.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/11/13


Sis. Shira, your story is like many. Christians are inventing ways to bring people forward. Pot lucks, pieces of clothes, and many commit, to later fall away. I've seen people go forward more then five times to later leave. That's why so many do not believe in OSAS. A child of God never falls back. Once a child of God always a child of God. God seals them and indwells them with His Spirit.
When God brings someone to spiritual life by drawing them to Himself, they become ready to hear the gospel. And makes ways for them to hear it. At regeneration God gives them faith, convicts their heart of sin, and put the love of God within them, and they can do nothing but come to Christ with love for Him. God makes them able to truly commit.
---Mark_V. on 3/11/13


\\a chaplain gave him a new testiment and told my husband if he signed it he would be saved. my husband got really saved 49 years later.\\

I wonder if what you or your husband heard is what the chaplain actually said or meant.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/11/13


markv, when my husband joined the air force, a chaplain gave him a new testiment and told my husband if he signed it he would be saved. my husband got really saved 49 years later. I spent many years trying to tell him that is not have you are saved. I didn't keep on and on but sometimes when the subject came up, I would tell him. I am so blessed he was saved when he passed away. he smiled when he passed away and I know he saw something he liked.
---shira4368 on 3/11/13


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James L, I agree with your arguement. A prayer does not save anyone. I suppose there are many who have said a prayer and belief they are saved and or not. The very reason so many fall away from the gospel and you never see them again in Church are even conduct themselves as genuine Christians. God has to make a lost person spiritually alive in order for that person to understand anything that is spiritual. Thats why in Romans we are told concerning those not alive to Christ,
"There is no one righteous, no, not one,
There is none who understands,
There is none who seeks after God"

They need a spiritual awakening that only comes by the Holy Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 3/11/13


---Nana on 3/9/13

A good connection of scripture from Isaiah addressed to the lost sinner.
---jan4378 on 3/10/13


jan4378,

Indeed!

Isaiah 55:6_7 "Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him, and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon."
Those verses paralell in Isaiah 1:16_18:
"Wash you, make you clean, put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes, cease to do evil,
Learn to do well, seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow. Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow, though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool."
---Nana on 3/9/13


Repentance is a condition of one's heart. Isaiah 55:6-7, Luke 15:21, Luke 18:13.

Romans 10 does not describe the heart but gives direction in what to say in order to be saved. Being contrite in itself does not save.

To believe in one's heart, requires an open heart toward God. Just as seeing something physical requires the eyes to be open.

If a sinner does not believe then we describe them as being blind. Their lack of belief has nothing to do physically with their eyes., but with their heart. Matthew 13:13-17,
---jan4378 on 3/6/13


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Unlike what you claim for yourself, God does not reveal to me other people's spiritual condition.
---Cluny on 3/3/13


When have I ever made that claim? Please provide the quote.
---Jed on 3/4/13


**MANY people on here have no understanding of the Incarnation, Deity of Christ, or the like, either?
---Cluny on 3/3/13

You don't actu**

I know I have an imperfect understanding that grows day by day, and will continue to grow in the Kingdom of Heaven, where we will never get to the bottom of it, because God is infinite.

I don't know about you, Jed. Unlike what you claim for yourself, God does not reveal to me other people's spiritual condition.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/3/13


MANY people on here have no understanding of the Incarnation, Deity of Christ, or the like, either?
---Cluny on 3/3/13


You don't actually think that YOU do, do you?
---Jed on 3/3/13


\\And our faith should rest in Jesus Himself, and not a theory about how He saves us.\\
---Cluny on 3/3/13

I think maybe you didn't grsp what I said in the first place.

I agree that there are many, even here, who have a faith firmly planted in a prayer they said, rather than in the Savior Himself.

Jesus saves, prayers don't

Jesus said that the Pahrisees were making people to become sons of hell, and told a parable in which the seed was snatched away, and it kept many from believing and being saved.

What seed? Believing what? The word of truth

Are we to think that if someone dies believes in a false Christ and a false gospel, that a 40 year old prayer will magically deliever them from hell?
---James_L on 3/3/13


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\\As a matter of fact, I do have dozens of names of people who have said a "sinner's prayer" yet deny the deity of Christ, and/or have ZERO understanding of what Christ accomplished on the cross.\\

Has God revealed to you that they went to hell after they died? I really doubt it.

May I say that MANY people on here have no understanding of the Incarnation, Deity of Christ, or the like, either?

And our faith should rest in Jesus Himself, and not a theory about how He saves us. There's a difference that might be too subtle for you to grasp here.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/3/13


\\Do you know the actual NAMES of any such poor persons, JamesL?\\
---Cluny on 3/2/13

As a matter of fact, I do have dozens of names of people who have said a "sinner's prayer" yet deny the deity of Christ, and/or have ZERO understanding of what Christ accomplished on the cross.

The bottom line is that they have faith in a prayer, rather than faith in Christ

Some are my own family members, and others have attended churches that I have. And, believe it or not, some of them are no longer with us.

But, does the apostle Paul give a list of names of those who have preached a false gospel, and misled many unsuspecting victims?

You ought to know better than to ask such a foolish question
---James_L on 3/3/13


Ephesians 1:12 says we "first trusted in Christ". The thief, when he trusted in Jesus, on the cross, said words which I can see were a prayer since he was speaking to Jesus.

So, if someone trusts in Jesus, very possibly the person will say something of prayer.

But there are counterfeit ways of saying you are trusting in Jesus. If you only copy-cat what someone else says, this can be a work. And we are not saved by works, but by how God's grace saves us.

But prayer is included. We believe by trusting and obeying, not only saying (c:
---willie_c: on 3/3/13


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