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Do you keep the 10 commandments?

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Yes, I kept all 10 commandments and have broken many of them except for some (Not married).

Thank God, He is Merciful, Kind and forgiving.
I will continue to keep the commandments with His graces and ask forgiveness when I don't.
---Nikki on 3/12/13



HAS ANYOEN READ ANY POST WHERE I PROPOSED SALVATION BY LAW?


no

although interesting how a few here incessantly spread lies about others and when confronted by the poster they lied about they either disappear or continue on their lying smear campaign wasting more posting space by making topic about the lie they created.

Apparently those who want to spread lies about other posters want to eat up the 75 posts per topic by spreading lies about another poster more than they want to discuss Gods Word through the posted topic.
---Follower_of_Christ on 3/12/13


Do you even know that Matthew 5:19 is referring to the one and only Jesus Christ and not the sinner?

wow extremely disturbing!! ignorance mixed with zero spiritual understanding

Whosoever is a pronoun meaning WHATEVER PERSON yet poster christianfoolishly insists word: whosoever "really means" Lord Jesus and the Lord is speaking of himself in Matthew 5:19

Whosoever (Lord Jesus) therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he (Lord Jesus) shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:

your ignorance implies wickedness! properly understood (Matt 5:19) Lord Jesus said WHATEVER PERSON shall teach his 10 laws will be great in the Kingdom
---Follower_of_Christ on 3/12/13


You are the one that is spreading lies as you teach salvation by law.
---e.lee7537 on 3/12

Let me see how many " christians" are HONEST on CN and how many are just playing christian

HAS ANYOEN READ ANY POST WHERE I PROPOSED SALVATION BY LAW?

If you have seen ANY of my post which say salvation by Law, just post it and that will be enough
---francis on 3/12/13


Francis //You have tried every lie to keep people from keeping the commandmenst of God.

You are the one that is spreading lies as you teach salvation by law.

The FACT is that I strive to obey ALL the commandments of God, but not those which are NOT APPLICABLE to the New Covenant as is the Jewish Sabbath, circumcision, and dietary laws.

All you need to do is to point to ONE command (or hint)in the New Covenant that Christians need observe any day as holy. But you have been UNABLE TO DO THAT!
---e.lee7537 on 3/12/13




Sorry Leej, but those who are given Spiritual Gifts for the edification of the BODY, is not the earthly Calvin Church, but HIS BODY, one is in union with through the Cross, being crucified with Christ and raised up together with Him.

My brothers and sisters are like minded that they came throught the CROSS and were given Gifts that continue to point to the Power of the Cross as we grow in the Grace and Knowledge of Him.

And we have discernemt not to believe every tom, dick, and harry that comes along with some PHD waving around some DR of this or that and extra books that one says you MUST READ before you can understand.

That's the tactic of cults! Every BABY knows this.
---kathr4453 on 3/12/13


kathr// those you put your faith in as your Learned Scholers(sp) you believe God put over YOU I will slam.....

As such you will be of very little use in helping build up the body of Christ as you refuse to acknowledge your need to be taught.

Eph. 4:11-14 And he gave apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and TEACHERS, to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, , so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes.

You are to be pitied.
---e.lee7537 on 3/12/13


What is really SAD is that you are too blind minded to realize you need to take advantage of those the Lord has given us so that we can rightfully interpret the word of God.

Unfortunately, all you want to do is to slam others that disagree with you.
---e.lee7537 on 3/10/13


Yep leej, those you put your faith in as your Learned Scholers you believe God put over YOU I will slam....especially men who have added their own flavor to God's Word that you need someone to interpret for you. They did a horrible job too!
---kathr4453 on 3/12/13


I myself, make NO EFFORT to keep "the 10" (I live spiritually inside the one who did fulfill them, I even forgot what is listed). Neither do I "OBEY" any of the "COMMANDS" listed in N.T. scripture.

"OBEDIENCE",rules/laws/commands/commandments were always illogical to me because I am A LOVER OF GOODNESS, I have NO NEED for rules/laws/regulations (I am a LOVER OF GOODNESS). God's Spirit has perfected me. Jesus only purified THE FLESH (Hebrews 1:3).

John 6:63 "It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail"...The PERFECT LAW of Jesus is that all "REGULATIONS" (satan also) no longer exist for me, Colossians 2:20 "Why do you submit to regulations?".
---more_excellent_way on 3/12/13


"Calvin's Westminster confession of faith:

1. Baptism is a sacrament of the new testament, ordained by Jesus Christ, not only for the solemn admission of the party baptized into the visible Church, but also to be unto him a sign and seal of the covenant of grace, of his ingrafting into Christ, of regeneration, of remission of sins, -- which sacrament is, by Christ's own appointment, to be continued in His Church until the end of the world.

baptism is NOT a sacrament and NO special grace is conferred by being baptized. The word "sacrament" isn't even found in the Bible AND there is NOT one single Verse in the entire Bible which teaches that a person is sealed through baptism. On the contrary, Ephesians 1:13 .
---kathr4453 on 3/12/13




--e.lee7537 on 3/11/13
If that is what francis wanted to say, he would have said that. What francis does it post directly from the scripture:

1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Revelation 14:12 the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

You have tried every lie to keep people from keeping the commandmenst of God

does this sound familiar:
Genesis 3:1 Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Genesis 3:4 Ye shall not surely die:
---francis on 3/11/13


Curious, which commandment does one not want to keep?
---Rod4Him on 3/11/13


According to the Westminster Confession, aka CALVINISM chapter 30 states:

"The Lord Jesus, as King and Head of His Church, hath therein appointed a government, in the hand of Church officers, distinct from the civil magistrate ... To these officers the keys of the kingdom of heaven are committed, by virtue whereof, they have power, respectively, to retain, and remit sins, to shut that kingdom against the impenitent..."

How arrogant! No minister or priest was ever given the power to forgive sin! Presbyterian ministers do NOT have the power to forgive your sins!

So, leej, clean up yor own false doctrine first.

So it's the Presb Calvinists who decide who can and can't be the ELECT?
---kathr4453 on 3/11/13


Reformed Sabbatarian (those who legalistically keep Sunday LAWS) theologian G. I. Williamson accordingly suggests that "television, reading of newspapers and magazines, and engaging in sports and excursions ... are not proper to the Sabbath because 'Sabbath' means to cease from these things in order to give one day exclusively to worship and the reading of God's Word, etc." The cessation described entails all engrossing activities of the six days of the week. Williamson affirms striving toward holiness, calling it a lofty goal to avoid "even thoughts and words about our worldly employments or recreations.

All Legalistic Leej. You fight over a DAY whole others believe every day is our spirityal sabbath rest in Christ.
---kathr4453 on 3/11/13


---shira4368 on 3/11/13
There was and is a command to keep holy the Sabbath day, but that Sabbath day was not Sunday. It will however be readily said, and with some show of triumph, that the Sabbath was transferred from the seventh to the first day of the week, with all its duties, privileges and sanctions. Earnestly desiring information on this subject, which I have studied for many years, I ask, where can the record of such a transaction be found: Not in the New Testament absolutely not. There is no scriptural evidence of the change of the Sabbath institution from the seventh to the first day of the week. Dr. E. T. Hiscox, author of the Baptist Manual.

You need to know what your church teaches
---francis on 3/11/13


//SDA also consider eating what God has called unclean, and what God has commanded not to eat a sin, although they are not foud directly in the ten commandments.

Matthew 15:16f:Are you also still without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into the mouth passes into the stomach and is expelled? But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person.

See also Mark 7:18f for basically the same topic by Jesus.

Sorry but apparently you do not like what Jesus taught! Either that or you have yet to read the New Testament.
---e.lee7537 on 3/11/13


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//it sure is a shame for someone to think obeying the 10 commandments will get them to heaven.

I think what Francis and other Adventists want to believe is that if they are obedience to the law of God, then they will accumulate sufficient merit to qualify for heaven.

Of course to the Adventist, the sin unto death that Christians may commit is not observing the jewish Sabbath.

In that they reject the gospel message our salvation is totally of God, and that our righteousness is that of Christ.

Jesus has become our wisdom, righteousness, sanctification and redemption. 1 Cor. 1:30
---e.lee7537 on 3/11/13


g.lee, it sure is a shame for someone to think obeying the 10 commandments will get them to heaven. my bible says we must be born again. when adam and eve sinned, the 10 commandments didn't exist. there was no need for any commandment until eve sinned and adam sinned. really, there is much in the bible besides the 10 commandments. some people just don't get it.
---shira4368 on 3/11/13


Adventists in not knowing too much of what either the Bible or its Author teaches, limit sin to the breaking of the 10 commandments.

---e.lee7537 on 3/10/13
One of the greater shortcoming of Adventism... The observance of Levitical food laws,
---Lee1538 on 4/6/10

with so many names on CN, it must be hard for you to keep up with which lie you told under what name and in what blog.

SDA also consider eating what God has called unclean, and what God has commanded not to eat a sin, although they are not foud directly in the ten commandments
---francis on 3/11/13


Compare: "Only those who teach Gods 10 laws and do them will be called great Matthew 5:19" FOC

You're telling us you've fallen into this category of being called "great"? Do you even know that Matthew 5:19 is referring to the one and only Jesus Christ and not the sinner?

Has any man other than Jesus Christ fulfilled this great commandment? NONE then and NONE TO COME! Didn't Jesus "do and teach them" and is "great in the kingdom of heaven"? Only by faith in Christ is what the Father sees in the Christian - His Son's righteousness.

Matthew 5:19 isn't advocating that the sinful man can achieve this, or Christ's death at Calvary was a farce.
---christan on 3/11/13


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Francis //We understand that it is only because we broke his commandments that Jesus had to die. We do not wish to continue to do what caused our saviour pain and suffering and eventually death. We Love him, so we keep his commandments.
---
Is obedience to the 10 commandments really please God, or is it simply that those who live by faith are the ones He declares to be righteous? Romans 1:17, Gal. 3:11

But the law is not of faith, rather The one who does them shall live by them. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us-so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.Gal. 3:12
---e.lee7537 on 3/10/13


//We understand that it is only because we broke his commandments that Jesus had to die.

Adventists in not knowing too much of what either the Bible or its Author teaches, limit sin to the breaking of the 10 commandments.

But for those who pitch the law fail to realize that nearly every day they break at least one of the commandments and will be held accountable for all the law according to James 2:10.

So what good do they do in trying to teach obedience to law? Like the jewish religious esablishment they will be found to be spiritually bankrupt.

It is Jesus that is the Savior and those who abide in Him will be fruitful.John 15.
---e.lee7537 on 3/10/13


FollowerofChrist //Only those who teach Gods 10 laws and do them will be called great Matthew 5:19

If those who obey the 10 commandments,- the ministry of death & condemnation (2 Cor. 3:7,9), who will be called great in the kingdom of God, then why O' why is it that the New Covenant teach that those who walk by faith are the ones God will declare righteous?

Gal.3:11-12 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just (righteous) shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Our righteous is not not from the law but from that perfect righteousness found only only only in Christ which has been imputed to us! Php 3:9, 1 Cor. 1:30
---e.lee7537 on 3/10/13


We understand that it is only because we broke his commandments that Jesus had to die. We do not wish to continue to do what caused our saviour pain and suffering and eventually death.

We Love him, so we keep his commandments

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we
1: Have no other gods before Him.
2: Do not make graven image to bow down to
3: Do not take the name of the LORD our God in vain,
4: Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5: Honour our father and thy mother:
6: Do not kill.
7: Do not not commit adultery.
8: Do not steal.
9: Do not not bear false witness
10: Do not covet: and his commandments are not grievous.
---francis on 3/10/13


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//christian, e.lee7537 and Mark_V. say that teaching these (10 commandments) is of the devil.

What we are saying is those that preach the law instead of Christ - something Adventists habitually do, that such are of the Devil.

Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Romans 1:17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith, as it is written, The righteous shall live by faith.

Yes you fail to realize that the law can only show you what sin is and can only condemn you.

I know that you disagree with Scripture but it teaches one must become righteous based on faith not of law. Ever read Galatians 3:12?
---e.lee7537 on 3/10/13


Only those who teach Gods 10 laws and do them will be called great Matthew 5:19

Proverbs 6:23
For the commandment is a lamp, and the law is light, and reproofs of instruction are the way of life: (as confirmed in 1 John 2:7-9)

Without Gods 10 laws there is no light (Isaiah 8:20), those who walk in darkeness are without Gods 10 laws and are an enemy of God, against his laws, teaching people to break Gods 10 laws or lie claiming his laws were abolished Ephesians 4:19 Jude 1:4

Those who are against Gods 10 laws are not subject to his laws Romans 8:7

Those who walk in darkness are the children of disobedience Ephesians 2:2 (hence law breakers) If there are no laws there could be no children who disobey.
---Follower_of_Christ on 3/10/13


francis, do you even know what's the definition of faith in Jesus Christ and what it accomplishes when the sinner is justified by faith?

Here's what Scripture declares: "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth." Romans 10:4, "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Romans 3:31

This is what faith in Jesus Christ accomplishes for the sinner, which you do not even believe in regardless of how much you tell everyone you believe in Christ. That's because you still believe that unless you obey the laws of Moses, you will never see salvation.

You never ever speak about grace, you realise that? Why?
---christan on 3/10/13


jerry6593, you quote Matthew 5:17-19 with no understanding of what Christ is even saying. He's not saying we must keep the law but rather WE CANNOT and WE'RE FINISHED!

Verse 17 & 18 tells us the very reason and purpose for His coming to this fallen world, to fulfill the law that demanded death for sins committed against God. Anyways, God doesn't want our blemished life of sin but a "lamb" without blemish to fulfill the law.

Verse 19 simply declares we've fallen short of the glory of God and have broken His laws! Notice Christ declared, "Whosoever therefore shall break one..." and you're telling us you haven't broken any?

Wonder who's the Christian and the Pharisee here?
---christan on 3/10/13


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christian, e.lee7537 and Mark_V. to say that teaching these is of the devil:

Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image,
Exodus 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain,
Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exodus 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother:
Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Exodus 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Exodus 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness
Exodus 20:17 Thou shalt not covet

means that you have a carnal mind: the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be Romans 8:7
---francis on 3/10/13


StrongAxe, please read my posts properly! I never ever said we do not have a will but that I simply reject the notion that our will is "free".

As my brother MarkV has been saying over and over again in his posts, that our will because of Adam's disobedience, is now in bondage to sin (Paul declares - "dead in trespass and sin"!), meaning, it's not "free" to do anything that will ever please God.

Unless you are "born of the Spirit", Paul said, "ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience"! Sounds "free"? Not on your life!
---christan on 3/10/13


//1: millions who claim to Love God bow down to idols of Jesus, Mary and Joseph every Sunday ( make no graven images to bow down to)

And there are millions also that the Devil has led into cults. We can see that from the rapid growth of Adventism, Mormonism, Jehovahs Witnesses, and other enslaving heresies.

//2: Millions more forsake the 7th day as sabbath and substitute sunday ( remember the sabbath day the 7th day is the sabbath)

And millions believe that the Bible is explicit in that the Sabbath is no longer applicable to the Christian walk. Sabbath observance, like circumcision and other distinctly Jewish laws went out with the New Covenant.
---e.lee7537 on 3/10/13


//1: millions who claim to Love God bow down to idols of Jesus, Mary and Joseph every Sunday ( make no graven images to bow down to)

And there are millions also that the Devil has led into cults. We can see that from the rapid growth of Adventism, Mormonism, Jehovahs Witnesses, and other enslaving heresies.

//2: Millions more forsake the 7th day as sabbath and substitute sunday ( remember the sabbath day the 7th day is the sabbath)

And millions believe that the Bible is explicit in that the Sabbath is no longer applicable to the Christian walk. Sabbath observance, like circumcision and other distinctly Jewish laws went out with the New Covenant.
---e.lee7537 on 3/10/13


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Francis//3: Eccl 12:13 Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.For God shall bring every work into JUDGMENT.

Those in Christ need not fear condemnation (Romans 8:1).

//James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in ONE POINT, he is guilty of all.

You do NOT keep the WHOLE law so you will be found guilty. However those that walk by faith have been declared righteous. (Gal. 3:11)

As I stated before, you really need to study the word of God inviting the Holy Spirit to guide you into the truth. Of course, you need to get rid of the Ellen White blinders as all she could do is peep and mutter when she was not copying the works of others.
---e.lee7537 on 3/10/13



you know that the breaking of God's law is sin, and you claim to keep all the laws,


no where not once have I ever "claimed" (written here or anywhere else) I keep all the laws - why must you forever write lies about others mark??? why??? another of your wasted posts to spread lies!!!

the laws are written in the hearts of true Believers and it is through the holy spirit and the strength of the Lord I can obey and OVERCOME and when I fall I am forgiven through my earnest prayers and my high priest the Lord Jesus mercy. Heb 2:17

you cannot see this spiritual truth because the laws are written in stone to you and must be obeyed to the letter just like the Pharisee's believed
---Follower_of_Christ on 3/10/13


--francis on 3/9/13
RETRACTION:-e.lee7537 and christian, not Jed.


-StrongAxe on 3/9/13

1: millions who claim to Love God bow down to idols of Jesus, Mary and Joseph every Sunday ( make no graven images to bow down to)

2: Millions more forsake the 7th day as sabbath and substitute sunday ( remember the sabbath day the 7th day is the sabbath)

3: Eccl 12:13 Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.For God shall bring every work into JUDGMENT

every one will be judged, not on love in general but on the keeping of the individual commandments

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in ONE POINT, he is guilty of all.
---francis on 3/10/13


christan:

If none of us have free will, then we will believe what we are destined to believe, and write here what we are destined to believe, and nobody's mind will be changed by what is written here, other than what was destined to happen anyway. So why bother, since it is all destined. Why not just sit back, relax, eat our popcorn, and see what God has already planned for our lives, since we don't have any say in the matter ourselves?
---StrongAxe on 3/10/13


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//Delusion and deception rules in the "free-will" doctrine, which ultimately leads to death.//

Only in your own mind.
---Rod4Him on 3/10/13


Follower, you now admit you are deceived and do not have the Truth in you, but most of all, you call God a liar when you say,

"only those who keep Gods 10 laws are loved by him, those who don't are of the devil"

you know that the breaking of God's law is sin, and you claim to keep all the laws, and because you do, you believe you love Him and are not of the devil, but God says you are the liar, not God, and the Truth is not in you.
"If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the Truth is not in us" So the Truth is not in you Follower because you do sin.
"If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us" So you make God a liar.
---Mark_V. on 3/10/13


"the TEACHING of obedience to the law is of the devil"

This could not have been written by a Christian. Christ said:

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.



---jerry6593 on 3/10/13


"But on their knees... they say "God please change the heart of my son, daughter, wife, friends," MarkV

These are "free-willers" prayer to their god of "free-will". I always ask them: "If you believe in the free-will that the man has the ability to choose between LIFE or DEATH, why are you then praying to God? Isn't it true that the free-will can thwart the will of God who wants to save you, but can't unless you decide to be saved by Him? Shouldn't you then be praying to that sinner who has the power to reject God?"

Delusion and deception rules in the "free-will" doctrine, which ultimately leads to death.
---christan on 3/9/13


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Deut 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments, and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

Deut 5:22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me

Exodus 24:12 And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written, that thou mayest teach them.

Elee, and Jed, please reconsider what you posted. You are calling the teaching of God's law the work of the devil
---francis on 3/9/13


FofC. You quote scriptures saying KEEP His commandments.

KEEPING is NOT PARTIAL obedience.
KEEPING means PERFECT obedience, James 2:10

Since you received Christ have you PERFECTLY kept the 10C?
---Haz27 on 3/9/13


francis and jerry6593:

If one obeys "Love God" and "Love your neighbor", one will automatically follow what the Ten Commandments teach, even if one doesn't explicitly follow the Ten Commandments themselves, or even if one has never even heard of the Ten Commandments.

If I keep "never eat anything that isn't food", I don't need to keep rules like "don't eat glue", "don't eat dirt", etc. - the one general rule automatically covers (and renders obsolete) all the specific ones.

We, as Christians, are under grace. As such, we no longer NEED the Law to tell us what to do - because we will ALREADY be doing what is necessary without needing to be told.
---StrongAxe on 3/9/13


"Leest: "There is no requirement for Christians to keep any law that is not found within the New Covenant."

And just what LAW is that Lee?" Jerry6593


"By what law? of works? Nay: but by the LAW OF FAITH." Romans 3:27
---christan on 3/9/13


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---James_L on 3/9/13
Romans 7:5-10 adapted for 125 words

When we were controlled by our sinful nature, the law showed us more clearly how wrong we were, it increased what we knew about sin,

But now we are delivered from the condemnation of the law, our old sinful nature has died and we are now made alive through Christ.

we are no longer slaves to sin, but serve God joyously through a new spirit

The law itself is not sin, without the law sin has no power. I myself would not have known that I was living in sin, except what I saw in the law, do not covet

The very law that promised life on obedience, now because I did not keep it, now promised death. i had failed to see the high spiritual standard of the law
---francis on 3/9/13


Ever wonder how the spirit of disobedience can work if there are no laws? Eph 2:2

James 2:10-11
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

Isaiah 33:22
For the Lord is our judge, the Lord is our lawgiver, the Lord is our king, he will save us.

James 4:12
There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

those without spiritual understanding are taught by false ministers they have a license to break Gods laws Jude 1:4
---Follower_of_Christ on 3/9/13


//the TEACHING of obedience to the law is of the devil,

Follower of Christ note that Jed is saying that the TEACHING OF THE LAW, not the law itself is of the devil.

NOTE that the Pharisees and Sadducees of our Lord's Day were very good law keepers especially of the Sabbath but they were condemned by Christ.

Note also that one does not become justified (declared righteous) by obedience to the law.

Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

NOTE ALSO THAT the Christians lives by faith and are declared righteous because of faith, not by obedience to laws, for the law is NOT of faith. Galatians 3:12




---e.lee7537 on 3/9/13


What then is the source of the Christians righteousness if not the law?

1 Corinthians 1:30-31 He(God) is the source of your life in Christ Jesus, whom God made our wisdom and OUR righteousness and sanctification and redemption. Therefore, as it is written, 'Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.'

Of course, those they pitch the law really want us to fall under a curse as they themselves are.

Ga 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Understand that FollowerofChrist, Jerry, Nana, and Francis?
---e.lee7537 on 3/9/13


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1 John 5:2-3 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.

Agree 1000 percent!

FollowerofChrist - why would you limit 'commandments' in these verses to the ten commandments, in view of the fact that there are really over 600 'commandments found in the Old Covenant alone?

Would you not consider simply fulfilling the commandment law by simply love of neighbor as Romans 13:9-10 tells us?
---e.lee7537 on 3/9/13



the TEACHING of obedience to the law is of the devil,


so much hatred for God by openly rejecting and contradicting the Word of God and his commandments. Matthew 5:19

Daniel 9:4
And I prayed unto the Lord my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments,

1 John 5:2
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

only those who keep Gods 10 laws are loved by him, those who don't are of the devil
---Follower_of_Christ on 3/9/13


francis,
what is your take on...

Romans 7:6-10
6 But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

7 ...I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, You shall not covet.

8 But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind, for apart from the Law sin is dead.

9 I was once alive apart from the Law, but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died,

10 and this commandment, which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me

(edited to fit 125 words)
---James_L on 3/9/13


There is no requirement for Christians to keep any law that is not found within the New Covenant.
---e.lee7537 on 3/8/13
Can you find in the new testament: Exodus 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain,

Leviticus 18:23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto:

If you cannot find these, then your whole premise is a joke.

the TEACHING of obedience to the law is of the devil,
---christan on 3/8/13
REALLY!!!!
Ephesians 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more:
Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother,
Colossians 3:9 Lie not one to another,
Acts 15:20 abstain from pollutions of idols
---francis on 3/8/13


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Bro. Christan, I agree with you, to walk out the door. Self-righteous deeds saves no one. Believers who already have Christ, should walk out the minute someone preaches the law for salvation. True Christianity is the only religion that does not believe in works for salvation. All others teach works of the law. Mormons, Jehovah witnesses, SDA's, Islam, RCC, Eastern Orthodox, and now has spilled into many denominations. The freedom of man over the freedom of God, what else is new.
But on their knees they know the Truth, they say
"God please change the heart of my son, daughter, wife, friends," why? Because they already know only God can change a heart towards Christ. Man cannot change his own heart.
---Mark_V. on 3/9/13


Leest: "There is no requirement for Christians to keep any law that is not found within the New Covenant."

And just what LAW is that Lee? The New Covenant is the new contract or agreement to keep the VERY SAME LAW as in the Old Covenant - the Ten Commandments. The Ten Commandments were kept in the Ark of the COVENANT, and those same LAWS are now kept in the Christian's heart. What's in your heart Lee?


---jerry6593 on 3/9/13


"Do yo keep the 10 commmandments"?

There is no requirement for Christians to keep any law that is not found within the New Covenant.

Adventists and other Sabbaterians have searched for centuries to find anything either in the Bible or in the teachings of the early church that one needs to keep the Sabbath commmandment, a commandment given ONLY ONLY ONLY to the nation of Israel as the SIGN of the old Sinaitic covenant.

Of coruse, Adventists in order to justify their view to keep the Jewish Sababth have had to sanctify the works of their wizard Ellen Wnite.
---e.lee7537 on 3/8/13


Francis. Scripture confirms that James L and Christan are correct in their views.

Whereas you preach the law of sin and DEATH, Rom 8:2
You preach the ministry of condemnation/DEATH, 2Cor 3:7
Under your false gospel you yourself are condemned to DEATH.

1Cor 5:11,13 confirms we should not fellowship with those fornicating with Hagar/the law, Gal 4:24.
So any church that preaches doctrines like yours of righteousness by obedience to the law, we should avoid them. They are like the Pharisees, whose father is the devil, John8:44
---Haz27 on 3/8/13


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"The ten commandments are of the devil?"

Jed, with you I'll be blunt, the TEACHING of obedience to the law is of the devil, NOT the law itself. You spend so much time talking about the law that you see it's telling you that you're a SINNER, period!

Rather then direct your attention to grace, who's Christ, you revel yourselves in the law like the Pharisees. Haven't you heard - "For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ." Hence, "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."

"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Grace expounded.
---christan on 3/8/13


Sunday has been the Lord's day for ages and ages.
---shira4368 on 3/8/13
Isaiah 58:13 the sabbath, ..on my holy day,

the only day ever mentioned in the entire word of God as God's Holy Day, is the sabbath

Now look at this:
Daniel 7:23 The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom and shall..think to change times and laws:

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Who are you really following with you sunday as lord's day: Jesus or the beast?

God does not change his laws, it is the beast that tries to change the law and TIMES ( sabbath for sunday) of God

Who are you really following
---francis on 3/8/13


Simple, head for the nearest exit and never to return to this temple of satan.
---christan on 3/8/13

The ten commandments are of the devil?
---Jed on 3/8/13


By God's grace, I am not looking at the 10 commandments but i am looking unto Jesus & praying that I shall always look on Him who is perfect. HE will always guide me & not allow my feet to stumble on the 10 commandments.
---Adetunji on 3/8/13


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temple of satan.
---christan on 3/8/13
Luke 4:16 as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

the death that it causes for those who try to keep it
---James_L on 3/7/
Do you reaally think that death comes to those who honour their father and mother, worship Jehovah only, do not commit adultery, do not steal?

Sunday has been the Lord's day for ages and ages.
---shira4368 on 3/8/13
Not even close
Isaiah 58:13 the sabbath, ..on my holy day,
---francis on 3/8/13


"1: What if your pastor or church leaders decided that your church should keep the 7th day as the Sabbath of the Lord thy God as commanded by God in the Ten commandments, what would you do?" francis

Simple, head for the nearest exit and never to return to this temple of satan.
---christan on 3/8/13


\\What if your pastor or church leaders decided that your church should keep the 7th day as the Sabbath of the Lord thy God as commanded by God in the Ten commandments, what would you do?\\
---francis on 3/7/13


I would share the gospel with them and pray that they would be saved

I would explain what the Law entailed, who it was intended for, the purpose it served, and the death that it causes for those who try to keep it
---James_L on 3/7/13


Francis. We already know that you do NOT KEEP the commandments.

BTW, KEEPING the 10C is NOT the same as PARTIAL obedience.
KEEPING the 10C means the same as James 2:10 describes, PERFECT obedience.

And you have said "No, No, No" to salvation for anyone who does NOT KEEP the 10C.
Therefore you yourself stand condemned by your own gospel. Your PARTIAL obedience is NOT KEEPING the 10C. You are in fact guilty of ALL the law/10C, James 2:10
---Haz27 on 3/8/13


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Iwouldn't do anything except keep going to church. for one thing sunday is the Lord's day. how can a few think any different. Sunday has been the Lord's day for ages and ages. I wouldn't change it for anything.
---shira4368 on 3/8/13


I have answer many question of many people, I would a few questions answered for me.

1: What if your pastor or church leaders decided that your church should keep the 7th day as the Sabbath of the Lord thy God as commanded by God in the Ten commandments, what would you do?
---francis on 3/7/13


Do you keep the 10 commandments?
---trey on 3/4/13
Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

Revelation 14:12 the saints: they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
---francis on 3/7/13


It is interesting that Francis tells others they must keep the 10 Commandments,
---Rob on 3/7/13
Try posting the exact same thing, except us the word "God" or " Lord" instead of francis

Exodus 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love, even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
---francis on 3/7/13


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rob/The reason Francis does not answer is many, many times Francis has been exposed and it has been proven Francis does not keep the 10 Commandments.

At the end of the Sabbath day, both Jerry & Francis really do not know if they broke the commandments or not.

So naturally they cannot respond, because they really do not know. However, they as honkers for the SDA, have to preach that others must observe the commandments - the ministry of death & condemnation craved on letters of stone (2 Cor. 3:7,9)
---e.lee7537 on 3/7/13


There is no requirement in the new testament/epistles for the believer in Christ to keep the ten commandments.

All of the old testament commandments have a curse attached to them for the person who does not keep them.

The new testament Christians are under grace, not under law. We are free from the curse, and receive the blessings of Abraham through the redemption work of Jesus on the cross.. free from the curse, free from bondage, free from sin.

Through Christ working in us, we keep his commandment to walk in his love which is the fulfillment of all the law.
---jan4378 on 3/7/13


It is interesting that Francis tells others they must keep the 10 Commandments, but Francis avoids answering if he Does.

The reason Francis does not answer is many, many times Francis has been exposed and it has been proven Francis does not keep the 10 Commandments.
---Rob on 3/7/13


francis, you don't know anything about God's Word except commandments. that is all you ever post.
---shira4368 on 3/7/13


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half of what is posted on christianet is commandments.
---shira4368 on 3/6/13

there is areason for that:
Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the WHOLE DUTY OF MAN.
---francis on 3/7/13


the 10 commandments should have its own website. half of what is posted on christianet is commandments. there is more to salvation than the 10 commandments. I love the 10 commandments but really, commandments are nothing without grace.
---shira4368 on 3/6/13


Wow Trey, this is just too perfect.
I mean the absences of comments!

Rom_3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Peace
---TheSeg on 3/6/13


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