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Should A Priest Get Married

Why do non Catholics get so upset because Priests can't marry?
I don't hear them complaining about Nuns not getting marry. Matthew 19:12 Can't a Priest decide how he wishes to live his life and be happy?

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MarkV, you made up that number of complains of Priests and Deacons. Give up your SOURCES.

I don't care if some idiot Parents cares more about the Church than their own children. THEY ARE WRONG!
Parents are the FIRST protectors of the children.

SOURCES, PLEASE


Leon, HELP, I can't stop the boldness after I started. I only what one or two words, but it would stop.
Please explain to me again how to select bold type words and stopping it when I wish.
---Nikki on 5/25/13


Cluny, are you speaking about Orthodox Priests, or Eastern Catholic Priest united with the Holy See?

Either one, I don't know enough to speak about the Divine Office.
But the Latin Rite, Priests are obligated to say Lauds and Vespers. All 7 would be perfect. Religious orders can demand more of their members.
---Nikki on 5/25/13


\\You keep repeating this lie even though it has already been exposed as false through real statistics.
---Jed on 5/25/1\\

It's not a lie, Jed, and your saying so will not make it such.

Elsewhere I've given quotes from sites supporting my statement. The rules of CN prohibit my giving their URLs.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/25/13


Checking everyone's favorite search engine will reveal that most peophiles ARE heterosexually married, though I'm sure you don't want to believe the facts on the matter.
---Cluny on 5/25/13


You keep repeating this lie even though it has already been exposed as false through real statistics.
---Jed on 5/25/13


Cluny, of course there is more pedophiles outside the Church who are heterosexuals. But the one's in the church are not heterosexuals. They molested children. Not man and women. Kids, little boys and girls. In the U.S. along in 2004 the count was 4,392, and more since them, in every dioceses in America, not talking about other dioceses in countries like Canada, New Zealand, Europe, latin America, Africa and Asia.
This information about pedophiles has only now come out, what they have done through the centuries we will never know, there must have been thousands upon thousands. Here is what is so cruel, the Church hid them by moving them to other dioceses to only do it again and again. They knew what was going on, and did nothing stop it.
---Mark_V. on 5/25/13




\\yes, outside the Church. Not the thousands of pedophiles in the Church.\\

Actually, there is a greater percentage of teachers who abuse their children than of pedophilic clergy of anyone's church.

Checking everyone's favorite search engine will reveal that most peophiles ARE heterosexually married, though I'm sure you don't want to believe the facts on the matter.

||I believe the parents have such a deep affection for the Church, they are willing to do anything to protect the Church. "||

Of course, you've reached this conclusion through your deep study of this distressing subject and your many in-depth interviews with parents of abused children.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/25/13


Nikki, you say,
"..male pedophiles are heterosexually married."" yes, outside the Church. Not the thousands of pedophiles in the Church. Then say,
"I see your deep true concern for the Children. I as well am mad at the Bishops 1st, and the Parents 2nd who allowed these Priests to get away."
I believe the parents have such a deep affection for the Church, they are willing to do anything to protect the Church. "I will not allow a few bad Bishops or Priests take me away from MY CHURCH."
They are not a few, in the U.S. alone a total of 4,394 priest and deacons charges have been brought against sexual abuse. I am not even speaking of all the other countries put together.
---Mark_V. on 5/25/13


\\They are obligated to celebrate the Holy Mass, and read the Divine Office daily. (Lauds and Vespers at least)\\

Roman Rite priests are bound to at least the 5-fold office daily, whether regular or diocesan, unless dispensed.

PARISH priests might be expected to celebrate daily, but non-parish clergy are not necessarily expected to.

And Eastern Catholic parish priests seldom do so, nor are they bound to the office.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/24/13


Cluny,

No, you are wrong. I had many Priest friends. They are obligated to celebrate the Holy Mass, and read the Divine Office daily. (Lauds and Vespers at least)

It is our Daily bread in the 'Our Father' prayer.
---Nikki on 5/24/13


\\Priests in the RCC are required to celebrate Mass daily unless they are ill, or travel\\

This is not true, Nikki. Roman rite priests are ENCOURAGED to celebrate as frequently as they can,

But if you check the appropriate canons, there is NOWHERE they are required to celebrate Mass daily.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/21/13




Did you know that Jewish Priests when in service (offering sacrifices to God) had to be celibate. As well as men in combat. That's why David and his men were able to eat the bread of the Temple.

Priests in the RCC are required to celebrate Mass daily unless they are ill, or travel.
The history of being celibacy comes from the Jewish tradition.
They had to be celibate for the Temple bread, but we THE BREAD WITH HIS CHRIST HIMSELF which makes our Priests celibate for life.
---Nikki on 5/21/13


\\Pagan celibate priests are dedicated to the mother goddess, and Catholic priests to Mary the mediatrix.
---kathr4453 on 5/5/13\\

How does this explain how EASTERN CATHOLIC (as well as Orthodox) priest are married, kathr?

Your paradigm clearly does not work.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/21/13


Catholic customs stem from ancient pagan practices and beliefs. Pagan priests were celibate, tonsured, and received the power of sacrificing for the living and the dead. The same power is given to Roman Catholic priests. Pagan celibate priests are dedicated to the mother goddess, and Catholic priests to Mary the mediatrix.
---kathr4453 on 5/5/13


MarkV, the website is called Catholics come home.
Yes, we lost a lot of members, we have gain even more. We are growing. But, because we are growing it doesn't mean we want to forget about the ones we lost. We follow Christ as He spoke about looking for the 1 out of 100 sheep. 99 sheep are not enough. He wants all 100.

Cluny is correct. "..male pedophiles are heterosexually married."

I see your deep true concern for the Children. I as well am mad at the Bishops 1st, and the Parents 2nd who allowed these Priests to get away.

The RCC would not have been able to tell me not to call the police after someone raped my child. NO ONE!

I will not allow a few bad Bishops or Priests take me away from MY CHURCH.
---Nikki on 3/25/13


\\If they gave the priest a right to marry, I know it would help some. \\

Actually, it wouldn't, as most male pedophiles are heterosexually married.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/25/13


Nikki 2: First of all I am not blaming you are any member of the Church. This is nothing against the members. I know this problem is everywhere, and I know it occures everywhere for I am in support of the Children whether those taken, murdered, or those whose brains have been sucked out by vacumm cleaners through abortion. I know the RCC has been in much trouble this last 20 or so years and they have lost a lot of members. They now have a website called, "Welcome back home" or something to that effect. If they gave the priest a right to marry, I know it would help some. God would never mind something good.
---Mark_V. on 3/25/13


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Nikki, I like that you answered with Truth. You now say,
"Remember MarkV, these RULES are made by MEN for MEN and kept into cannon law by MEN.
So, they know as much as you know how sexual men are in life."
.
If they know what I know, why are the problems of sexual abuse to children permitted to go on, by many priest, and bishops and nothing has ever been done. Children in the hands of man who are suppose to be holy man. The bad part is they hide those man, and in turn they commit more abuse. What I don't understand is why they've done nothing. The problem of child abuse is everywhere, if the Church knows what's happening within, why don't they do something for the sake of the children? That's what I do not understand.
---Mark_V. on 3/25/13


..many popes through history even had mistresses and babies of their own? That is history. Concering sex, man are more sexual the women. They should allow them.--Mark_V. on 3/24/13

At least you answered by question about there being no concern for Nuns.
This is true- men are more sexual than women.

Yes, many Popes had mistresses, but only a handful. But, the Church doesn't basis their decision based on a few sinful men. Even if these men where Popes.
Some of these Popes where married and still have mistresses. What was their excuse??

Remember MarkV, these RULES are made by MEN for MEN and kept into cannon law by MEN.
So, they know as much as you know how sexual men are in life.
---Nikki on 3/24/13


Nikki, they should allow them to marry. They did before why not now? If their passion for sex, and they have to abuse children to get it, since children are more vulnerable, they should either give up been priest or they should allow them to marry. It might not solve all the problems they are having but it would help a whole lot children. This is a tradition of the RCC they can change. How can they not permit them to marry, when many popes through history even had mistresses and babies of their own? That is history. Concering sex, man are more sexual the women. They should allow them.
---Mark_V. on 3/24/13


\\True, but they are not in the least hesitant to grant an annulment even after children were born, making them bastards.\\

Wrong. A decree of nullity in Roman Catholic canon law does NOT revoke the putative legitimacy of children born before hand. (Doesn't it bother you to pop off about things you know NOTHING about?)

\\Unfortunately the Roman Church does not permit themselves to be overruled by Scripture since Scripture does indeed permit divorce under certain circumstances.\\

Not all MSS of the Gospels have the permissions to which you refer. Did you know that?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/23/13


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Unfortunately the Roman Church does not permit themselves to be overruled by Scripture since Scripture does indeed permit divorce under certain circumstances.--e.lee7537 on 3/23/13


Matt 19:6-10 ..And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery, and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.

I don't know what Bible you have, but Jesus overrides OT. Marry a divorced woman if you wish, but you will be committing adultery.
RCC will follow Jesus, not wishful thinking of marriage.
---Nikki on 3/23/13


Nikki//No marriage is forbidden. In fact the Catholic Church doesn't allow divorce.

True, but they are not in the least hesitant to grant an annulment even after children were born, making them bastards.

Unfortunately the Roman Church does not permit themselves to be overruled by Scripture since Scripture does indeed permit divorce under certain circumstances.

And of course, we see all too much in third world countries, priest avoiding the heinous sin of marriage by raising children from their girl friends.

Of course, they also would not have to bother with a divorce but they still may and do, end up with child support. Some dioceses in the USA, do pay out child support for the poor conduct of their priests.
---e.lee7537 on 3/23/13


1Tim4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth-trey on 3/22/13

Are you saying Jesus is wrong, but Paul is right?
Matthew 19:12
"...some, because they have renounced marriage for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it."

No marriage is forbidden. In fact the Catholic Church doesn't allow divorce.

Priest and Nun are for the kingdom of Heaven as Jesus commanded. They can accept it, so why do you have a problem with them accepting not to marry?
---Nikki on 3/23/13


\\1Tim4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, ....
Does this description sound familiar?\\

Not a bit, Trey.

First the word the KJV renders as "meats" is not KREAS, meaning the flesh of animals, but the general word for food or GEVMA.

NO ONE in Roman Catholicism is absolutely forbidden to eat anything, even if periodic abstinence from flesh is recommended for those who can do so. But some sects forbade eating beans to ALL their members.

Next, marriage is a sacrament. But there were some gnostic and semi-Christians sects (such as the Cathari and Albigensians) who forbade marriage for everyone.

Try again.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/23/13


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Jed and Nikki, thanks for the laugh!!! I needed it after the week I've had!

My thoughts concerning the priests and marriage run along this line:

1Tim4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils,
1Tim4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared with a hot iron,
1Tim4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

Does this description sound familiar?
---trey on 3/22/13


anyone who can't refrain themselves sexually needs to be married. I have a friend who watched the priest sneak into the sisters rooms all during night hours. he would have not dared to say anything to either one.
---shira4368 on 3/22/13


The whole tradition behind this may be kind of silly,--Jed on 3/22/13

Your welcome. Arby's has 2 for $4 sandwiches as well. They are big and good.

The tradition is due to most people can not afford meat. So, everyone sacrifices meat on the day Christ died to remember his death, and be grateful to Him for dying for us.
---Nikki on 3/22/13


I think we can all appreciate Catholics for at least one thing: $1 filet o' fish sandwiches at McDonald's on Fridays! Oh yeah, baby! I love you Catholics just for that. The whole tradition behind this may be kind of silly, but at least you have made the world a happier place with discount fish sandwiches on Fridays.
---Jed on 3/22/13


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There are two different writs, one the eastern writ, the other the western writ. Under one writ, an already married person can become a catholic priest, but cannot become a pope. So if one wants to become both, one should marry first, then join the writ that allows a married man to become a catholic priest. I think it is better not to marry. But it is also best not to make vows. (Matthew 5:33-4, Acts 21:23) Some make themselves eunuchs for a better resurrection. (Matthew 19:12) Shouldn't we all?
---Born on 3/22/13


Adetunji, I don't understand what you mean about pain? Then they are not called to the priesthood. Please read Matthew 19:12 again.
Jesus address your question well at the end of His statement.
Plus all life status causes pain.
---nikki on 3/21/13


\\// In this modern times, we can clearly separate Church and Priest properties, this rule forbidding marriage by Priest(s) should no longer exist. We cannot deny that it causes a lot of pain for some.\\

Did you understand what I had actually written?

I was not talking about priests getting married.

I was talking about choosing bishops from the MARRIED clergy, and why the Orthodox Church does not.

I might add that many married Orthodox priests and their wives will tell you about the strain on their family and personal lives having to be available to a congregation.

Doubtless, many Protestant clergy would say the same.

It would be even worse for a married bishop

Glory to jesus Christ
---Cluny on 3/21/13


Cluny://It dates back to .. the 7th century ... It's .... to prevent church property from falling into the hands of an episcopal family.// In this modern times, we can clearly separate Church and Priest properties, this rule forbidding marriage by Priest(s) should no longer exist. We cannot deny that it causes a lot of pain for some.
---Adetunji on 3/21/13


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\\Why is that the rule? No Married Bishops or Patriarchs?\\

It dates back to only the 7th century or so. It's for strictly practical reasons to prevent church property from falling into the hands of an episcopal family.

Something like this happened in the Assyrian Church (sometimes called Nestorian, though it isn't, really). The Patriarchate passed from uncle to nephew until a reform that happened in the last century or so. Sorry I don't know the whole story. You can look it up, I'm sure.

There's no particular advantage to a strictly celibate priesthood. The Orthodox Church has always had married and unmarried priests. Many bishops (and nuns and abbesses, for that matter) are widowed.

Glory Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/20/13


All Orthodox bishops are chosen from among the monks, not just patriarchs. However, some might be widowed priests who later themselves became monks then bishops.--Cluny on 3/20/13

Okay, but I think you and my Priest are saying the same thing. Married Priests are not chosen for the role of Bishops or Patriarchs.

I am not trying to argue, but I am truly curious.
Why is that the rule? No Married Bishops or Patriarchs?
As we know Paul gave direction to Timothy(?) about Bishops concerning their family.
Could it be maybe your Church sees the same benefit as my Church?
---Nikki on 3/20/13


\\The Eastern Church came up because a person asked the Priest about Married Priests in those Churches with all 7 sacraments.\\

Neither married Eastern Catholic nor Orthodox priests are required to abstain from the rights of marriage if married, as neither celebrates the Eucharist daily. Your priest was mistaken if he told you that.

||My Priest also states the Patriarch is chosen only from Monks, not married Priests.
Is he correct?||

No, he is not.

All Orthodox bishops are chosen from among the monks, not just patriarchs. However, some might be widowed priests who later themselves became monks then bishops.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/20/13


1. He was mistaken in what he said.
2. You were mistaken in what you heard and understood.
Did he tell you that the Eastern Catholic Churches have a code of canon law that is NOT the same as the Roman Church?--Cluny on 3/19/13

No mistake in what I heard because the subject was about Priests getting married. The Eastern Church came up because a person asked the Priest about Married Priests in those Churches with all 7 sacraments.

We didn't discuss canon law. But, I would assume they are not the same.

My Priest also states the Patriarch is chosen only from Monks, not married Priests.
Is he correct?
---Nikki on 3/20/13


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==because My Priest has studied and taught about Eastern Churches and it's Liturgies.
---Nikki on 3/19/13==

Either:

1. He was mistaken in what he said.
2. You were mistaken in what you heard and understood.

Did he tell you that the Eastern Catholic Churches have a code of canon law that is NOT the same as the Roman Church?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/19/13


Holy Matrimony" is a matter that is entirely between a man, a woman,and GOD. Church and Civil authorities have no jurisdiction in such a matter.--Darryl on 3/19/13

Since Jesus started the Church. Matthew 16 and He speaks about marriage in Matthew 19, I think the Church has everything to do with Holy Matrimony.

Or everyone can pretend they are in holy matrimony with anyone, anytime and everytime they wish.
---nikki on 3/19/13


"Holy Matrimony" is a matter that is entirely between a man, a woman,and GOD. Church and Civil authorities have no jurisdiction in such a matter.
They just like to think they do.
---Darryl on 3/19/13


Nikki, I've studied at a seminary under the jurisdiction of the Ecumenical patriarchate. I don't need you to tell me what gets studied there.---Cluny on 3/19/13

I agree there is a lot of misunderstanding about the Orthodox Church as much as the Catholic Church.
I as well was a Dominican Nun for 6 years. I don't claim to know everything, but I needed more information from your claims, because My Priest has studied and taught about Eastern Churches and it's Liturgies.
---Nikki on 3/19/13


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Nikki, I've studied at a seminary under the jurisdiction of the Ecumenical patriarchate. I don't need you to tell me what gets studied there.

There is a great deal of misunderstanding about Orthodoxy among the non-Orthodox. Some even think that the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople is the Orthodox pope. This notion is nowhere near the truth.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/19/13


And obviously,a Roman Catholic priest would know ALL about the marital disciplines and liturgical obligations of married Orthodox clergy, wouldn't he?
And as much about Eastern Catholic married priests.
Right, Nikki---Cluny on 3/18/13

RIGHT. Ask your Priest. He will tell you. Priests study other Divine Liturgies of other Rites of the Catholic and Orthodox Churches. We are brothers in that we have all 7 Sacraments from Jesus.
---Nikki on 3/19/13


\\During adult education from a Catholic Priest is where I was told about Priest not having relations after they are Ordaine\\

And obviously,a Roman Catholic priest would know ALL about the marital disciplines and liturgical obligations of married Orthodox clergy, wouldn't he?

And as much about Eastern Catholic married priests.

Right, Nikki?

Glory to Jesus Christ1
---Cluny on 3/18/13


\\During adult education from a Catholic Priest is where I was told about Priest not having relations after they are Ordaine\\

No married Orthodox priest stops marital relations after ordination.

\\Cluny, I will be charitable, and stop asking you since you don't want to answer my question.\\

It is a parish of the Antiochian tradition under the Patriarch of Antioch, if you must know.

If you doubt what I'm saying about married Orthodox priests not ceasing from marital relations after ordination, simply ask the nearest canonical Orthodox Church to where you live. I've listed several jurisdictions already.

Will you admit you were mistaken?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/18/13


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You are wrong about thinking that married Orthodox priests must be abstinent after ordination. Who told you this? I've asked you this question several times, and you have never answered.---Cluny on 3/18/13

During adult education from a Catholic Priest is where I was told about Priest not having relations after they are Ordained.--Nikki on 3/16/13

When you were too business avoiding answering my answer you overlooked my answer.

Cluny, I will be charitable, and stop asking you since you don't want to answer my question.

Peace
---Nikki on 3/18/13


Any attempt to restrict physical relations between a married couple is simply not of God. God created men and women to enjoy each other inside of a marriage covenant. Obviously, there are some physical medical conditions that make some activities impossible. But regular relations are an essential part of a healthy marriage. Telling any married person to abstain from relations with their spouse is wrong and unhealthy mentally, physically, and emotionally for the individuals and unhealthy for the marriage, and for the overall family. Satan perverts good things that God created for married men and women to enjoy, and tries to make something wrong or taboo out of them to prevent healthy marriages.
---Jed on 3/18/13


\\I believe you just didn't think someone could pin you down about your statements. You claim to know a lot about the Orthodox faith, but refuse to prove it. \\

You haven't pinned me down about anything.

You are wrong about thinking that married Orthodox priests must be abstinent after ordination. Who told you this? I've asked you this question several times, and you have never answered it.

You seem to think that married Orthodox priests celebrate the Divine Liturgy daily. Again, this is not the rule. Again, you never explained where you got that notion.

So who is really being pinned down here?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/18/13


Nikki, FWIW is an ancronym meaning "for what it's worth."---Cluny on 3/17/13

I'm sorry, I thought you were telling me the name of the sect of your Church. I don't know anything about texting.

I believe you just didn't think someone could pin you down about your statements. You claim to know a lot about the Orthodox faith, but refuse to prove it.

That's like me giving you medical advice and telling you to accept the advice because I am a doctor. When you ask to see for my diploma, I refuse to show you.
---Nikki on 3/17/13


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BTW (by the way), Nikki, I was on these blogs using Orthodox terminology years before you ever showed up.

Just because you might be confused, don't think that other people are.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/17/13


Nikki, FWIW is an ancronym meaning "for what it's worth."

If you really knew as much about Orthodoxy as you were claiming, you should have known that "Divine Liturgy" in an Orthodox context means the Eucharistic Sacrifice, which only the Roman Church calls "mass." (This is one of the many ways the Roman Church is out of step with the other Apostolic pre-Reformation Churches.)

\\Why are you playing with words?\\

I am using the NORMAL terminology used by Orthodox. Again, if you really knew how the Orthodox Church lived her life in Christ, you would not have said I'm playing with words.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/17/13


FWIW, in my own city only ONE Eastern Catholic Church has a daily Eucharist.
Glory to Jesus Christ!--Cluny on 3/17/13

Please help me out, as I may not be a learned as you.
What in the world does FWIW mean?

Plus, you that Holy Mass does means Divine Liturgy.

There are 2 parts of the Liturgy.
1. Divine Liturgy of the Hours or the Office (official prayers of the Church)

2. Holy Sacrifice of Mass which is the highest form of prayer in the Church.

Cluny, you and I both know most people on this website do not know what Liturgy is, but might know what the Holy Mass means.

Why are you playing with words?
---Nikki on 3/17/13


Nikki, the principal (not all) canonical Orthodox jurisdictions in the USA are
Orthodox Church in America, Russian Orthodox Church Abroad, Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese, and the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America.

Go to their web sites. Look at their parishes and see if ANY has a Daily Celebration of the Divine Liturgy. As I said, monasteries and cathedrals would be the exception.

Then tell me that an Orthodox priest celebrates Divine Liturgy (not mass) daily.

FWIW, in my own city only ONE Eastern Catholic Church has a daily Eucharist.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/17/13


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\\You just made point for me.

The Priest celebrates Mass DAILY!
---Nikki on 3/16/13\\

Wrong again, Nikki!

Not in either Orthodox OR in Eastern Catholic Churches is there a daily Liturgy as as rule.

You didn't think they did, did you?

A daily Eucharist is common only in monasteries or in cathedrals where there are sufficient priests to rotate the Liturgies. Orthodoxy knows of no such thing as the western Low Mass or recited Divine Liturgy.

Actually, you've made my point for me about your ignorance of Orthodoxy.

Orthodox are more than Roman Catholics who say mass funny. (The same thing applies to Eastern Catholics.)

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/16/13


NO canon of the Orthodox Church requires a married priest to abstain from marital relations, except the night before he celebrates the Divine Liturgy, and during the fasting periods.
These disciplines apply to the laity as well.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/15/13

You just made point for me.

The Priest celebrates Mass DAILY!
---Nikki on 3/16/13


I'm a member of a canonical Orthodox church, and that's all you need to know.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/15/13

I am not ashamed to say my belief and my Church.

That is a vague answer 'canonical'.
That's like me saying I go to a vatican approved catholic church?????

You do go to a liberal Orthodox. You don't want to tell me the name because you know that I know the difference.
You are afraid I will prove the things you claim are false.
During adult education from a Catholic Priest is where I was told about Priest not having relations after they are Ordained.
Maybe the Priests in your church have children after they are ordained, but again I think you go to a liberal sect church.
---Nikki on 3/16/13


Nikki, I'll share a little of what Christ taught, "For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." Matthew 12:37

Example, you say "I am a proud Catholic Christian Lady!" The very keyword here is "proud". Do you even know how much God hates the proud? Here's a sampling,

"The Lord will destroy the house of the proud... Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the Lord... An high look, and a proud heart, and the plowing of the wicked, is sin." Proverbs 15:25, 16:5, 21:4

And if God hates pride, will His Spirit put these very thoughts in the hearts to those He love? Most definitely not!
---christan on 3/16/13


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e.lee . . . you said you find that the order of Roman Catholic celibacy is part of the cause of there being pedophile priests, if I understand you correctly.

To violate a child is a work of betrayal of trust . . . not only an act of misguided sexuality.

A person capable of such horrible predation is not qualified according to Paul's standards for a person trusted to "take care of the church of God" > see 1 Timothy 3:1-10.

Qualified Christian leaders can tell the difference between such a psychopath and a pastor of God's own love. The problem is there are false people who can't tell the difference. Even Christ's "sheep" (John 10:1-30) can smell a wolf. So, the problem is deeper than policy.
---willie_c: on 3/16/13


\\Please tell me which type of Church you belong.
You make odd statements and seem to belong to a liberal sect?
---Nikki on 3/15/13\\

I'm a member of a canonical Orthodox church, and that's all you need to know.

NO canon of the Orthodox Church requires a married priest to abstain from marital relations, except the night before he celebrates the Divine Liturgy, and during the fasting periods.

These disciplines apply to the laity as well.

If you were told that a married Orthodox (or Eastern Catholic) priest has to abstain from the marriage act after ordination, you were misinformed.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/15/13


Cluny,
I sorry, I made an error. The Catholic Church has 7 main rites which you can verify: Catechism lists seven rites. These rites so listed: Latin, Byzantine, Alexandrian, Syriac, Armenian, Maronite, and Chaldean,2 are actually families of liturgical expression.

So I can be Catholic, but under the Maronite rite.
But, I am under the Latin rite.

Please tell me which type of Church you belong.
You make odd statements and seem to belong to a liberal sect?
---Nikki on 3/15/13


Gordan, you are correct about being married and not having relations. In fact a marriage isn't valid if no relation. Which is the reason a man isn't able to become a priest unless his wife consents. She can refuse if she doesn't wish to abstain.

We believe in the true Presence of Jesus in the Wine and Bread. No symbol. That's why we also call it Holy Communion
In Heaven there isn't any marriage.
We are united to God through Jesus with the Holy Spirit.
Marriage on Earth is a type of symbol of the Trinity. As the Church is the bride of Christ.
Once in Heaven, no more symbolism. We are with God.

Read Matthew 19:12
"... Whoever can accept this ought to accept it."
---Nikki on 3/15/13


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Nikki, the real problem to the question posted is: who said that the Roman Catholics were even Christian to begin with?... because they're pagans, pretending to be Christians.---christan on 3/14/13

Really?
I believe in Christ, He suffered, died and rose from the dead for me as well as for you!
You are not Christ. Just because you have christ in your name does not mean you have the power to state who is saved or not.

I am a proud Catholic Christian Lady!

You might be confused, but not me. I know the Truth and follow Him.

I can answer Pilate's question, can you? John 18:38
---Nikki on 3/15/13


e.lee7537, many people sadly think marriage is the answer to pedophilia. Do you know how many women chase Priests? A Priest can have a grown woman anytime. Pedophilia is a disease. And the disease isn't just only in the RCC. You just hear about the RCC the most.

Jesus picked Judas, so because Judas betrayed Him, was Jesus wrong?
We are all sinners. While many have left the Catholic Church, many more are entering the Catholic Church.

Jesus told Peter the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. Matt 16:18

Which means satan will always try to destroy the Catholic Church from inside or outside, but will not prevail.

1.2 Billion Catholics and will continue to grow until Christ returns.
---Nikki on 3/15/13


\\Nikki, That belief about "priests can marry, but are not to have sexual relations with their wives during marriage" goes totally against the Scripture\\

Nikki is badly mistaken about this. Priests are not required to abstain. I know Orthodox and Eastern Catholic priests who are married and had lots of children AFTER ordination.

Furthermore, the fact that she refers to "Eastern Rites" rather than to Eastern Catholic Churches (proper term) shows her lack of knowledge on this subject. There are only 6 Eastern Rites, or liturgical families, but 23 (or so) Eastern Catholic Churches (again, not rites).

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/14/13


Nikki, That belief about "priests can marry, but are not to have sexual relations with their wives during marriage" goes totally against the Scripture Verses of I CORINTHIANS 7:4-5. Those Verses state that, in marriage, the husband's body now belongs to his wife, and the wife's body to her husband. That each spouse is to tend to the other's basic needs, including those which are sexual in nature.
---Gordon on 3/14/13


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Trey,
What do you think Jesus is speaking about in Matthew 19:12?
Are you saying Paul disagrees with Jesus?
---nikki on 3/14/13


\\ But, in both Eastern & Orthodox churches, Priest can marry, but have NO relations with their wives after becoming a Priest. They have all their children before becoming a Priest.\\

This is not true, Nikki.

Married priests in the Orthodox and Eastern Catholic Churches (and the few married Latin priests) are not required to be celibate.

\\ Many people don't know that about their discipline. \\

Apparently you don't either, Nikki. You are mistaken on this issue. Where did you get that impression?

**Cluny says nuns are the equivalent of male priests?**

No, I never said this, willie_c:. Please reread what I actually posted.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/14/13


nikki//Lee, I am not saying Priests don't have children or fool around.

If the Roman Church ever decides to reform itself they will likely permit its priests to marry. That would not eliminate the problems with pedophilia but it likely would reduce its significantly.

Do you not realize that the Roman Church in the USA alone, has had to deal out over $1 billion to victims of sexual abuse.? That means that a large percentage of your donations goes for lawyers fees! And all that, not from Biblical doctrine, but from Roman Church policies.

And then they wonder why so many Roman Catholics leave their church for good.
---e.lee7537 on 3/14/13


Concerning this matter the Apostle Paul wrote:
1Tim4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils,
1Tim4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared with a hot iron,
1Tim4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

Sounds like he's speaking of the SDAs and the RCC.
---trey on 3/13/13


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it is very common to see them raising a family with their girl friends.
Catholics simply do not practice of they preach.
---e.lee7537 on 3/13/13

Lee, I am not saying Priests don't have children or fool around. That's like saying married people don't cheat.

Catholics, Baptists, Jews, Muslims and everyone do not practice what they preach.

These father (of children) priests are not the norm. You just here about the one bad Priest for every 100 good Priests.

But, a Married Catholic Male can not be ORDAINED as a Priest in the Latin rite of the Catholic Church. There are 21 or 23 rites in the Catholic Church. Latin rite is the biggest rite.
---Nikki on 3/14/13


Nikki, the real problem to the question posted is: who said that the Roman Catholics were even Christian to begin with? The minute you remove the tagline of Christianity from the Roman Catholic Church, you will understand that they do what they do is because they're pagans, pretending to be Christians.

After Christ came and resurrected, where in the NT do you find the epistles teaching that there should be priest, nuns, cardinals or even a Pope? Or that the "spiritual church (body of Christ)" was to be set up in this hierarchy? It's unscriptural and most definitely nothing to do with Christianity.
---christan on 3/14/13


Well, Nikki, that is interesting, that ones do not make a big issue about nuns being required to stay single.

Cluny says nuns are the equivalent of male priests? But, Cluny, can a nun consecrate communion? If not, I'd say they are not really equivalent.

Nikki . . . 1 Timothy 3:1-10. I understand that an obedient religious group will obey these standards our Apostle Paul has given for who qualifies to be just considered, for ordination to be a "bishop" . . . a family man proven with his own wife and children, first. Then he can feel for other married people and his wife can help him help them, after they as one have learned at home how to rule and care for people in our Father's family way (1 Peter 5:3).
---willie_c: on 3/13/13


nikki //No Married Catholic Male can be a Priest.

In the country of my wife's origen Roman Catholic priests do not marry however, while avoiding the heinous sin of marriage, it is very common to see them raising a family with their girl friends.

In fact, my wife who was teacher had 3 children in one of her classes, two from one preist and one from another.

Catholics simply do not practice of they preach.
---e.lee7537 on 3/13/13


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Wow Nikki! What a legalistic set up for family failure that is!!!
---Leone on 3/13/13


Actually, in the Eastern Churches, both Orthodox and Catholic, a married man may become a priest.
Celibacy of clergy in the Latin Church is a DISCIPLINE, not a doctrine, and can be dispensed. I know married Roman Catholic priests in good standing.
Glory to Jesus Christ!---Cluny on 3/13/13

Yes, Cluny marriage is a discipline and can be changed. But, in both Eastern & Orthodox churches, Priest can marry, but have NO relations with their wives after becoming a Priest. They have all their children before becoming a Priest. Many people don't know that about their discipline.

Marry Catholic Priests, are converted Priests from another church. No Married Catholic Male can be a Priest.
---nikki on 3/13/13


I wonder how many people think that a nun is the female equivalent of a priest?

Actually, in the Eastern Churches, both Orthodox and Catholic, a married man may become a priest.

The principle was enunciated by a Pentecostal minister. If God calls you when you're married, plan on staying married. If God calls you when you're single, plan on staying single.

Celibacy of clergy in the Latin Church is a DISCIPLINE, not a doctrine, and can be dispensed. I know married Roman Catholic priests in good standing.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/13/13


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