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What do members think of the choice of names for the new pope? What impact will this have on the church?

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\\even southern Baptist don't teach that.
---shira4368 on 4/6/13\\

I have heard it taught from SB pulpits.

I've heard it preached that you couldn't be saved unless you walked down the aisle to "Just As I Am."

Fortunately, God delivered me from such delusion.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/6/13


Sis. Shira, You first say:
"markv, I believe in free will also. I certainly don't believe God sent His Son for a few "elect"." He must have since only a few are saved. then say: "that is a heresey from the inside out." Heresy is to say Salvation is not by the will of God. Then say, " I am not going to start a dialogue concerning free will and works." and you asked me questions. Then say: " we will do works once we are born of the Spirit." Which is true, once saved you will do the works God proposed you would, after you are born of the Spirit. Then you say the opposite, you say: " we even have a choice to get saved and we have a choice to reject"
---Mark_V. on 4/7/13


markv, I have been to many Baptist churches and I have never seen one single one who teaches works. please give me the names of such Baptist churches. it is probably the same one who were making fools out of themselves at the funeral of one of our precious servicemen. even southern Baptist don't teach that.
---shira4368 on 4/6/13


markv, I believe in free will also. I certainly don't believe God sent His Son for a few "elect". that is a heresey from the inside out. I am not going to start a dialogue concerning free will and works. we will do works once we are born of the Spirit. we even have a choice to get saved and we have a choice to reject.
---shra4368 on 4/6/13


\\ my church teaches the opposite of what catholics teach. \\

The Catholics teach that Jesus was born of a Virgin.

The Catholics teach that Jesus is the unique Incarnate Son of God.

The Catholics teach that He rose from the dead in His physical body, ascended into heaven, and is returning at the time appointed by the Father as judge.

The Catholics teach that one should be baptized in water in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Are you saying that your church teaches the opposite of these things? Or do you simply not know what the Catholic Church teaches?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/6/13




Sis. Shira, many baptist denominations teach works for salvation, free will of man. When the reformation beginned, not a one did. All taught salvation by God's grace through faith. Many now teach works. Not just some Baptist churches but some from every denomination. I too belong to a Baptist Church but not a free will Church. I will bad mouth any denomination who teach works.
I am not here to defend a denomination, but the doctrines of Scripture. I am here to defend the Truth of the Gospel. All protestant churches use to teach salvation by grace through faith, and many through time, went back to their roots, the RCC teachings, the one that teaches man with power over God, the reason they replaced Christ as the Head of the Church.
---Mark_V. on 4/6/13


markv, why do you say the Baptist teach the same things as catholic. where on earth did you get that from? my church teaches the opposite of what catholics teach. markv, I hope you don't start bad mouthing Baptist. that would not be good for you.
---shira4368 on 4/6/13


Cluny, you made the first remark against Baptist, that you escaped from works for salvation, but you never escaped. You cannot see Christ, because His death is not sufficient to save you. Your doctrines of work have not changed at all. So how could you say:

"Jesus told me to tell you that you don't know what you're talking about."

when it is you who does not believe in the Works of Christ on the Cross? You depend on your own works, not on Christ. Why would He talk to you? Christ has to be your High Priest, but you have your own high priest who forgives your sins. And your denominational doctrines are almost the same as the RCC.
---Mark_V. on 4/6/13


\\You are so deep in it that you cannot see Jesus Christ. \\

Jesus told me to tell you that you don't know what you're talking about.

\\All your works and catechism will not get you either into heaven.\\

You don't think your "believe and be saved" will get YOU into heaven, do you?

Jesus Himself said, "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord!' will get into heaven, but he who DOES THE WILL of my Father in heaven."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/5/13


Cluny, all you did was go from one baptist church that taught what the RCC taught to another denomination that teaches what the RCC taught works for salvation. You never escaped from works for salvation. You are so deep in it that you cannot see Jesus Christ. All your works and catechism will not get you either into heaven. You have to be born of God, and that only comes by grace through faith, not by any works are rituals. When a person leaves works for salvation, they leave it, they don't go from on to another.
---Mark_V. on 4/5/13




what is the popes name? Does he have a wife?
---michael_e on 4/5/13


\\ It was not until I left the Church that I became aware of what they really taught. \\

Like me. It wasn't until I got saved and became Orthodox that I found out what Baptists really teach.

Baptists are nothing but works salvation and ritual redemption.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/5/13


GOD established his church on JESUS and the 12 apostles.--Samuelbb7 on 4/4/13
Don't change Jesus' Words.
---Nikki on 4/4/13

I will not!
Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone],--francis on 4/4/13

You did!
Paul is speaking in Ephesians not Jesus.
But you have a good point.
Jesus is the corner stone.
Peter is the rock on which His Church will be built on Peter.

What is on the other side of the Corner stone?
I believe it is Jewish Temple.
---Nikki on 4/4/13


Nikki, you say Peter is the Head of the Church. Denying Jesus Christ is the Head of His Church. Jesus Christ, is the founder of this organisation and Savior of its members, is to be their only Priest and kin, their only Lord and Lawgiver, and the Only Head of the churches. The churches to be executive only in carrying out the Lord's will and complete laws, never legislative, to amend or abrogate old laws or make new ones. In A.D. 313 a call was made, the coming together of the Christian churches or their prepresentatives. Many, not all came. The alliance was consummated. A Hierarchy was formed. In the organisation, Christ was dethroned as Head of the churches and Emperor Constantine enthroned (only temporary, however as head of the church.
---Mark_V. on 4/5/13


Francis, I believe you are correct! Christ is the Rock.

1Co10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Peter means "pebble".

Upon the pebble I will build my church??? ...I don't think so. Just doesn't have the same effect.

By the way have you seen the Catholics bow down and kiss the Pope's ring? Now read what Peter said to Cornelius.
Acts10:26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up, I myself also am a man.
---trey on 4/5/13


Nikki 2, God never gave the Church authority to find another head of the Church. In fact He never gave authority for a Universal Church to be ruled by one person. By their own traditions they did away with the Second Commandment, to introduce Idol worship, and the rise of Mary. Constantine desiring to have all Christians join with him in his new idea of a state religion, and many conscientiously opposing this serious departure from New Testament teachings, he (Constantine) begins using the power of goverment to persecute those who didn't join him. That begin the years and even centuries of a hard and bitter persecution against all those Christians who were loyal to Christ Jesus and the Apostolic Church.
---Mark_V. on 4/5/13


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GOD established his church on JESUS and the 12 apostles.--Samuelbb7 on 4/4/13

Don't change Jesus' Words.
---Nikki on 4/4/13

I will not!
Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone],
---francis on 4/4/13


3/4 of the Bible existed when JESUS came. So the RCC did not establish the Bible.--Samuelbb7 on 4/4/13

Old and New Testament make up the Bible.
To who is the Bible claiming or testing about? Is it not Jesus?

Jewish people do not like it when people call their Torah the Old Testament. They don't believe Jesus is the Messiah.

Even The History Channel (which I hate) states the RCC compiled the Bible.
They have a list of gospels rejected by the RCC for selfish reasons in order to prevent the Faithful from reading them. (Another myth destroy. Catholics do read the Bible)

So how can the The History Channel blame the RCC for leaving out these gospels, if the RCC didn't have anything to do with the Bible?
---Nikki on 4/4/13


GOD established his church on JESUS and the 12 apostles.--Samuelbb7 on 4/4/13

Don't change Jesus' Words.
He spoke very plain. He actually said it differently than you.

Matthew 16:17
Blessed are you (singular), Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father. And so I say to you,
YOU ARE PETER, AND UPON THIS ROCK I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH.
---Nikki on 4/4/13


Nikki three forths of the Bible existed when JESUS came. So the RCC did not establish the Bible. If you really studied history you would see that there was only one Church and it was combined with equal leaders from many areas. The false claim of Rome was not established when the New Testament books were voted on.

GOD established his church on JESUS and the 12 apostles. Eph 2:19-21 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God,
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone],
In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
---Samuelbb7 on 4/4/13


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MarkV, why were you surprised?

Which came first? The Church or the Bible?
If the Bible had the final authority why didn't Jesus set up the Bible before ascending to Heaven?

Jesus did set up Church. Gave authority to Peter. Told the 12 that whoever listens to you listens to Him.
Breathed the Holy Spirit upon them when He gave them power to forgive sins.

God is in charge. But, the one in charge can give another authority in his place can he not?
He gave the Church authority in His name.

We both have the Bible.
You all drop the authority in Peter and the Church.
Whenever you all proclaim anything, one who disagrees leaves and sets up his own authority. Until the next person disagrees with that person.
---Nikki on 4/4/13


Nikki, you also said to me after I posted:
"But the main reason I opposed the RCC is their Idol worship. I know they deny that too.--Mark_V." you said:
"Yes, because we don't."
I don't know to what church you attend, but I have been to two Shrines, one in Texas and one in Mexico. In both shrines candles were lit to the madonas, prayers were given to the modona's, promises were made to the modona's, People knelled and prayed to them. Expecting the modona's to answer their prayers. Now that is worshipping idols. I have been there, done what everyone else had done, and there is no denying those facts. So when a Catholic tells me they do not worship idols, I know they are only denying the Truth.
---Mark_V. on 4/4/13


Nikki, I was very suprised with your answer. You said,
"Ruben is correct. The Bible isn't the final authority, but the RCC." The RCC with all it's criminals, power over the Word of God? All come short of the glory of God. Then say,
"We never claim Scripture only as you all." Of course you don't, you rather belief sinful man over the Word of God. Then you say,
"So why do we have to play by those rules?" The only rules is the Word of God. You sure don't have to play by those rules, and you don't. Then you say,
"When no one is in charge, everyone thinks he is in charge." God is in charge of all genuine believers, He bought them with His blood.
---Mark_V. on 4/4/13


But the main reason I opposed the RCC is their Idol worship. I know they deny that too.--Mark_V. on 4/3/13
Yes, because we don't. Just some corrections if you don't mind.

You assume Catholics don't read the Bible. You can't truly believe that one?
You can go to hell if you eat the Eucharist while having mortal sin on your soul.
Not everyone is going to purgatory after death. Some go straight to Heaven.

Ruben is correct. The Bible isn't the final authority, but the RCC.
We never claim Scripture only as you all.
So why do we have to play by those rules?

Just look in the phone book. Check out the many different Protestant section.
When no one is in charge, everyone thinks he is in charge.
---Nikki on 4/3/13


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Nikki, I did not have a bad experience. I didn't know what I was been taught. I just accepted it like all Catholics. Most Catholics don't carry a bible or read a bible. When they answer, they answer to defend the RCC not the Truth. When a point is made from Scripture, people like Ruben say, the Bible is not final authority, the RCC traditions are. It was not until I left the Church that I became aware of what they really taught. Their baptism for salvation, eating Christ to keep their salvation, doing the catehisms to keep their salvation, going to purgatory and purify themselves after death. All of that is wrong. But the main reason I opposed the RCC is their Idol worship. I know they deny that too.
---Mark_V. on 4/3/13


No one is good enough to enter the Kingdom of God without faith in Jesus Christ works alone, and faith comes from God through the rebirth. Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, Islam, Buddhism and many now protestant churches teach salvation by works.
---Mark_V. on 4/2/13

Mark,

For the 1000th time please show me where the RCC teaches by works alone?? You claim to be a former Catholic and know what they teach, but you are like so many Catholics who left because they did not know what she teaches...Sad!!
---Ruben on 4/2/13


MarkV, I am sorry you had a bad experience. But, I promise I have never been told about works for salvation. Now, I have been taught to deny my flesh goods daily. Not for salvation, but to keep focus on Christ.
---nikki on 4/2/13


Nikki, I am a former Catholic. I now understand it is a denomination of works for salvation. While there may be many whom God has saved by grace through faith, the denomination is still teachings works for salvation. Do this or do that and you can earn your way into God's kingdom. Not one person deserves salvation. No one is good enough to enter the Kingdom of God without faith in Jesus Christ works alone, and faith comes from God through the rebirth. Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, Islam, Buddhism and many now protestant churches teach salvation by works.
---Mark_V. on 4/2/13


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What do members think of the choice of names for the new pope? ---mike6579 on 3/21/13
There is no greater name under heaven, that a man may assume for himself
---francis on 3/31/13


MarkV, sadly, many people do believe they can are go to confession without contrition.
God is not a fool.
If the mafia lord killed hundreds of people and got baptized after the killings, he is saved. But the next person he killed has placed mortal sin on his soul.
Plus, we believe in Purgatory.
Saved doesn't mean being completely pure enough to go heaven.
He is saved from hell.
Oddly, the situation you displayed is what Catholics think about Protestants.

Eating the Eucharist with mortal sin on your soul is deadly to your soul.
1 Cor 11:27-32

One might be able to fool a Priest, but never God.
---Nikki on 3/30/13


Ruben, I want you to understand I am not saying everything the RCC or Eastern Orthodox teach is wrong. I'm sure many things are correct. I do not really care about defending denominations, what I am speaking for is the Truth of God's Word. It seems that the things you argue about are not Biblical, and when what you say is not found in Scripture, then you say Scripture is not final authority to you, tradition is also authority. But RCC tradition is only authority to those in the RCC. The subject I argue for have to be biblical doctrines. Anything else not biblical comes from sinful man. I support Cluny many times when he is right, why should I not support the Truth when someone speaks it?
---Mark_V. on 3/31/13


Ruben, your tradition, that all someone has to do is say a few words get baptized and suddenly he is saved is false. Hippolytus was wrong, (The Apostolic Tradition 21 [A.D. 215]) is false. No wonder so many of you do not believe in OSAS. It's because as an individual you can come and go as you please and you are saved because you got baptized. A mafia lord can murder hundreds, say a few words, get baptize and he is saved, and remains a mafia Lord and murders some more. I forgot, he can lose his salvation, unless he makes it up by saying a few our fathers and Mary's. And be saved again. If not, he can eat Christ and again he is saved. Sorry, but sinners are saved by Grace through faith, and God gives them a new heart.
---Mark_V. on 3/30/13


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==If one said, this is law now or a new tradition, even if wrong, no new Pope will contradict the other. That is tradition.==

MarkV, did you know that a pope cannot do that?

Not even papal infallibility allows that to happen.

Pointing out how you are wrong is not the same thing as defending the Roman Catholic Church, btw, though this is a distinction too subtle for some people to grasp.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/29/13


Mike, no matter who they choose or have chosen, it will change little if any on the RCC Church. It might bring conflict within the bisphops and cardinals, but nothing will change outside of those people.
Popes never speak against another popes. They never say anything negative about any former pope. If one said, this is law now or a new tradition, even if wrong, no new Pope will contradict the other. That is tradition.
---Mark_V. on 3/29/13


\\Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/25/13

Wow are you off!
---Jed on 3/27/13\\

Keep blessing me and increasing my heavenly treasure, Jed.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/27/13


\\The Didache...
[A.D. 70]).\\
---Ruben on 3/27/13

That would be the same Didache that Eusebius listed among the spurious writings

I'm not saying that water baptism isn't necessary. I'm also not saying the Trinity is a contraption of men.

All I've said is that in Matthew 28:19 there is not enough context to determine without a doubt that water baptism is the subject matter

Same for Mark 16:16
Considering that Mark mentioned 3 different "baptisms" and Jesus IN THAT PASSAGE never mentions water
---James_L on 3/28/13


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James_L * Matt 28:19, what Jesus literally said was "Make disciples, IMMERSING them INTO the NAME..."

James,

Going by only the Bible Alone does not work:

The Didache

"After the foregoing instructions, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living [running] water[A.D. 70]).

Hippolytus

"When the one being baptized goes down into the water,...: Do you believe in God, the Father Almighty? And he that is being baptized shall say: I believe. Then he shall say: Do you believe in Christ Jesus . Again shall he say: Do you believe in the Holy Spirit.. The one being baptized then says: I believe. (The Apostolic Tradition 21 [A.D. 215]).
---Ruben on 3/27/13


NONE of these have the least effect upon the Church of God, which is the Orthodox Church.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/25/13


Wow are you off!
---Jed on 3/27/13


Clearly a baptism of suffering
---James_L on 3/26/13

Good one.
Yes, but can I suggest a life of suffering as being the same as a baptism of suffering.

Jesus uses our own notions of what supports life. Water and food. Mark 16:16 and John 6:54 Which He states gives us Eternal life. Baptism and eating His Flesh. (Eucharist- Holy Communion)

As far as water today we look at planets that might had water on it to support the possibility of life on that planet. No water, then we move on.

So, since Peter and Phillip knew water was involved in baptism Acts 8:36 & 10:47, they knew Jesus was telling them 'You will have a life like mine.
A life of suffering, but glory with Me at the end.'
---Nikki on 3/27/13


\\I don't believe Jesus said "names".\\
---James L

\\What you do or don't believe is beside the point.

Millions of Christians across thousands of years and many cultures disagree with you.

Or is it just to you now that the Word of God has come?\\
---Cluny

If you have the word of God close by, look and see if Jesus said onoma or onomata


\\To say that baptism doesn't mean water is like saying hot dog doesn't mean bun or weiner.\\
---Cluny on 3/26/13

WRONG !!

Jesus called His "cup to drink" a baptism

And he wasn't speaking about a glass of water to wash down a hot dog
---James_L on 3/26/13


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Nikki (part 1),
I'm not suggesting that water baptism wasn't taught, or that water baptism is not spiritually efficacious

All I'm saying is that in Matt 28:19, what Jesus literally said was "Make disciples, IMMERSING them INTO the NAME..."

Does water make a disciple?

As for various baptisms, Jesus asked James and John "Are you able to be baptized in the baptism that I am about to baptised with?" (Mark 10:38). Then in verse 39, "Are you able to drink the cup that I drink?" (ref Matt 20:22-23, Luke 12:49-50)

Clearly a baptism of suffering
---James_L on 3/26/13


Cluny: 'Church of God, which is the Orthodox Church.'

Cluny, I do not disagree that the Orthodox church is a section of the Church of God, but I would not be willing to agree that it is the ONLY Church of God

My parents are Orthodox, and so I greatly respect the Orthodox Church. The only reason why I am not is a historical matter as to how I beleived
---Peter on 3/26/13


Jesus said so in Matt 28:19 --Nikki

Is there any record in Acts of anyone invoking three names? -- James L.

Are you saying Jesus' Words don't count because Luke forgot to place them in Acts? --Nikki

Jesus taught immersion "into" water, fire, Holy Spirit - James L.
Give Scripture? - Nikki


Why assert only one legitimate ritual, based on a passage that never mentions water? --James L.

Peter used water and was with Jesus. Answer my question. What else can be used? -Nikki

And my reference to dunking and sprinkling wasn't aimed directly at the RCC-James

Sorry, many accuse us of these statements.- Nikki
---Nikki on 3/26/13


Nikki,
I was speaking specifically of Matt 28:19. If you want to look over in Acts, why insist on "names" of Father, Son, Holy Spirit?

Is there any record in Acts of anyone invoking three names?

And you may not know, as many don't, that baptize simply means to immerse. In (or into) what? CONTEXT

Jesus taught immersion "into" water, fire, Holy Spirit, and maybe others

So where in Matt 28 does Jesus say "Go and WATER BAPTIZE them..." ?

Why assert only one legitimate ritual, based on a passage that never mentions water?

And my reference to dunking and sprinkling wasn't aimed directly at the RCC
---James_L on 3/26/13


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\\I don't believe Jesus said "names".
Further, He didn't say "IN" the name[s]\\

What you do or don't believe is beside the point.

Millions of Christians across thousands of years and many cultures disagree with you.

Or is it just to you now that the Word of God has come?


\\Further, He never mentioned water---James_L on 3/25/13\\

That's like saying when Jesus said, "Do this to make My anamnesis," He wasn't thinking about using bread or wine because He didn't mention it.

To say that baptism doesn't mean water is like saying hot dog doesn't mean bun or weiner.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/26/13


I don't believe Jesus said "names".
Further, He didn't say "IN" the name[s]
Further, He never mentioned water---James_L on 3/25/13

It was understood by the Apostles to use water as John the Baptist used water. What else are they going to use?

Act 10:47 "Can anyone withhold the water for baptizing these people,"

Matt 28:19
"Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them IN the name of the father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit."

The RCC neither dunk or sprinkling. That's a myth applied to the RCC by Protestants. We POUR or Immerse adults in water if they wish.
---Nikki on 3/26/13


\\Neither do Protestant or independent or even house churches.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/23/13


Cluny, how do you figure that? Surely you are not equating the two!\\

Of course I am.

NONE of these have the least effect upon the Church of God, which is the Orthodox Church.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/25/13


Nikki: It is a problem for me, probably because when I first believed I did not think in which church I would be baptised, and for the last 10 years I have been trying to sort it out

My parents (who are Orthodox, but did NOT baptise me at birth) would prefer I were re-baptised as Orthodox

But the Nicene says 'ONE Baptism' - only one - so I do not really like the idea
---Peter on 3/26/13


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\\Trinity in you must say all 3 names when baptizing as Jesus commanded in Matt 28:19\\
---Nikki on 3/24/13

I don't believe Jesus said "names".

Further, He didn't say "IN" the name[s]

Further, He never mentioned water


He said IMMERSING them INTO the NAME of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit

That can have an entirely different meaning from "invoke names while dunking or sprinkling"
---James_L on 3/25/13


\\Cluny * Both sides' questions and assumptions are WAY different from Orthodoxy.\\

To give one example, Western Christianity tends towards theological minimalism: what is the LEAST one must do?

1.Lenten fasting and abstinence in the West, vs the rather rigorous practices of Orthodox and other Eastern Christians.

2. The Roman Catholic's "five precepts of the Church, being the irreducible minimum of Catholic practice", compared with Bill Bright's Four Spiritual Laws. Orthodoxy is more interested in how holy we can become in this life.

Of course, this is too complex an issue for 125 word computer blog.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/25/13


Cluny * Actually, since Protestants broke away from Roman Catholicism,

When did this happen?

Cluny *both sides share many of the same assumptions and ask the same questions (though they disagree on the answers).

You can apply this to Orthodox as well.

Cluny * Both sides' questions and assumptions are WAY different from Orthodoxy.

Give me some examples please:

Orthodoxy and Protestants believe the rock in Mt 16 is Peter ,and both do not believe in pugatory just to name a few!
---Ruben on 3/25/13



\\ And I don't think the catholic denomination in general has much impact on the church of God.
---Jed on 3/23/13\\

Neither do Protestant or independent or even house churches.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/23/13


Cluny, how do you figure that? Surely you are not equating the two!
---Jed on 3/25/13


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\\But I have been told that the Orthodox Church does not, and I had though the Catholic Church does not either\\

Some do, some don't.... it's a pastoral matter: What is best for the individual and the Church as a whole?

The Orthodox formula is "The Servant of God NAME is baptized in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit," with three separate immersions in and emersions from the water.

The Assyrian Church of the East says, "NAME, be baptized in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit," with similar immersions and emersions.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/24/13


Peter, a valid Priest ordination is needed for Holy Eucharist as commanded by Jesus on the Last Supper. Confession, Confirmation with a Bishop's approval, and Anointing of the Sick.
Only a Bishop can ordination a person not a Priest.

We don't accept Protestant ordination because they have a broken Apostolic succession from St. Peter and the other apostles.
Cluny's Church has not lost the Apostolic succession, so that is why the RCC will say His Church as a valid Priesthood.

Trinity in you must say all 3 names when baptizing as Jesus commanded in Matt 28:19. Some say 'I baptize you in the name of Jesus.' You must God the Father and the Holy Spirit with Jesus' name.
Anyone can baptize in an emergency, not just a priest.
---Nikki on 3/24/13


Names don't make any diff, from the 1st pope till even now, they Are Still Fulfilling Bible prophesy, Rev. 17 v's 4 - 6 & the abominations of the earth.
---Lawrence on 3/24/13


Nikki: When I believed, I happened to attend a protestant church (Presbyterian), so that is where I was baptised.

Later, after attending a Church of England (Anglican) for many years, I became a member, and they accept the baptism of the protestants

But I have been told that the Orthodox Church does not, and I had though the Catholic Church does not either

Can you inform me?

The sacraments are similar in the Anglican Church, but they place little importance in confession

PS: I go to one of the very 'Bible based' Anglican churches - there are a number left, though not very many
---Peter on 3/24/13


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\\ And I don't think the catholic denomination in general has much impact on the church of God.
---Jed on 3/23/13\\

Neither do Protestant or independent or even house churches.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/23/13


Nikki: I had the impression that the RCC did not accept it because you did not accept Protestant ordination (that a Protestant priest is not a valid person to carry out the baptism)

Was I wrong?

When you say 'in the name of the Trinity' you mean the Trinity as described in the Nicene Creed?
---Peter on 3/23/13


What impact will this have on the church? Well since the true church is the true body of believers, not really much impact at all. If by "church" you were referring to the catholic denomination, well then that is a different story. And I don't think the catholic denomination in general has much impact on the church of God.
---Jed on 3/23/13


\\5. Anointing of the Sick (sadly some call it last rites) James 5:13-15\\

I myself can testify to the healing power of Holy Unction (also called Prayer Oil in Greek).

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/23/13


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Peter, the main problem are the Sacraments.
RCC accepts Protestant's 1.baptism if done in the name of the Trinity Matt 28:19. 2. Marriage is accepted.

But, the greatest Sacrament is the 3.Eucharist (Holy Communion).
Valid Priest is needed: 4.Ordination)

5. Anointing of the Sick (sadly some call it last rites) James 5:13-15

6. Confirmation is the special outpouring of the Holy Spirit as once granted to the apostles on the day of Pentecost. Confirmation brings an increase and deepening of baptismal grace.

7.Penance and Reconciliation (Confession). John 20:22-23

But the summit of all Sacraments is the Eucharist.
All sacraments flows and returns to the Eucharist, because Jesus is the Eucharist. John 6
---Nikki on 3/23/13


\\And they accept baptism in the other church (as in the Anglican), as all three are of the Apostolic Succession\\

Not always true.

Some Orthodox jurisdictions will receive Roman Catholic converts by canonical Orthodox baptism.

There is no hard and fast rule.

**Nikki: The disagreements between the Catholic and the Orthodox sides are relatively minor compared to the Protestant (at least as I have understood it)**

Actually, since Protestants broke away from Roman Catholicism, both sides share many of the same assumptions and ask the same questions (though they disagree on the answers).

Both sides' questions and assumptions are WAY different from Orthodoxy.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/23/13


Nikki: The disagreements between the Catholic and the Orthodox sides are relatively minor compared to the Protestant (at least as I have understood it)

The main problem is not one of the Sacraments, but whether given that Luther, being excommunicated (I have not found direct evidence of Calvin, the other starter of Protestantism, being excommunicated), can continue the Apostolic Succession, and thus whether people baptised in the Protestant Churches have been baptised at all.

What does the Catholic Church say?
---Peter on 3/22/13


Cluny: You are right, I didn't say that right.

I was referring to the recent cancellation of the old excommunication in... was it 1054 that was the last straw in fully separating the Orthodox and Catholic Churches.

And both consider their beliefs 'acceptable', I think

And they accept baptism in the other church (as in the Anglican), as all three are of the Apostolic Succession

So the missing bit is the Protestants
---Peter on 3/22/13


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**Most of the Orthodox Churches do not think our form of Mass is valid.
We (RCC) believe they (Orthodoxs)have all 7 Sacraments, but I don't think they feel the same for us. (Cluny would know) **

There are two issues here, both of them above the heads of most of the posters to these blogs.

1. How consistent are the Roman Catholic doctrines concerning the mysteries with the Orthodox doctrines?

2. How should a Roman Catholic be received into the Orthodox Church? How about groups, be they parishes or dioceses?

\\Clowny, I'm sorry,\\

I'll bet you think you're a wit.

You could be half right, Gordon.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/22/13


Sorry Peter, but the Lutherans have to leave their faith and accept RCC's teachings on the True Presence of Christ in the Euchrist(Body and Blood) and many other disagreements they have with the Catholic faith.
Plus, Luther excommunicated himself.

Cluny is correct. Most of the Orthodox Churches do not think our form of Mass is valid.
We (RCC) believe they (Orthodoxs)have all 7 Sacraments, but I don't think they feel the same for us. (Cluny would know)
We just states they are not in full communion with RCC.
---Nikki on 3/22/13


It doesn't impact me since I'm not a catholic. The pope is just another guy with a title. Jesus is our only mediator. We dont need a person to speak or pray on our behalf to God when Jesus does this for us.
---womandisciple on 3/22/13


His name won't make a difference, he is simply another old man, probably no better or worse than the one before him.
---michael_e on 3/22/13


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Clowny, I'm sorry, did I step on your religious toes??
---Gordon on 3/22/13


\\The Catholic and Orthodox churches now accept each other, \\

I'm not too sure what you mean by "accept each other."

However there is NO shared Eucharist or concelebration by clergy of the two churches.

And not all Orthodox believe that the Roman Catholic form of baptism is efficacious, or that unleavened bread is the proper matter for the Eucharist.

Even if the excommunication against Martin Luther were lifted, it would not automatically reconcile Lutherans with the Roman Catholic Church.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/22/13


I would hope that he can find a way to fix the problems that Pope Leo X, who excommunicated Martin Luther, and so return the church to one single church

The Catholic and Orthodox churches now accept each other, so it is only the Protestant churches that are left


Will Francis be willing to do this?
---Peter on 3/21/13


\\But, I believe that, no matter how much "conservative Christians" rave about him, this Pope will simply be one more nail in the religious coffin of the One World Religion to come\\

Like your own worldly denominational church, Gordon?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/22/13


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What do members think of the choice of names for the new pope? What impact will this have on the church?
---mike6579 on 3/21/13
I know of no better name that could be taken,

I pray that he is worthy and lives up to the great name that he hath choseen
---francis on 3/21/13


Personally, I like the idea of being named after St. Francis of Assisi. But, I believe that, no matter how much "conservative Christians" rave about him, this Pope will simply be one more nail in the religious coffin of the One World Religion to come. It's all NWO puppetry. All this is heading for the Super One World Messiah to come. Anything or anyone that is not truly of GOD is merely playing bit-parts to usher in Satan's Anti-Christ. YAHUSHUA said, in LUKE 11:23, that those who are not actively and deliberately FOR Him, are working against Him. Whether they are aware of it or not. Period.
---Gordon on 3/21/13


I don't think a person's choice of a name has any effect other than symbolic.

When Prince Albert, Duke of York, ascended the British Throne, he took the name George VI for the sake of giving an air of continuity.

And what do you mean "choice of names"? He chose only ONE name, after ONE person.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/21/13


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