Forever And Ever Meaning
The words "For ever and Ever" are in both Verses of REVELATION 11:15 (GOD's Kingdom) and REVELATION 14:11 (the Smoke of their Torment, of the Damned). Do the words "Forever and Ever" mean non-stop, un-ending span of time, or does it mean a limited space of time?
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---Gordon on 3/24/13
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Trey, GOD is Three Persons in ONE. All Three Persons are each fully Divine and equal to each Other. But, each One plays a different Role within this GOD-Head and in regard to mankind's Salvation. The Father sent His Son as an Atoning Sacrifice. Then the Son ascended to Heaven and sent down the Holy Spirit, etc. All this is done in agreement with each Other as the perfect Will of GOD. The Son will rule over the Kingdom, and the Father will rule over His Son and His Kingdom. Thus, making the Father finally the Top Dog of sorts, within the Trinitarian Hierarchy. The Son is forever ruling but His Father is ruling over Him overall. A Ruling within a Ruling.
---Gordon on 3/28/13|
If you can't see it, then you can't see it. That's okay. Everything becomes clear in its own time.
---Love.wins on 3/28/13|
Some of you speak of Christ handing his Kingdom over to God.
Heb1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Do you not realize:
John14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father, and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
John10:30 I and my Father are one.
1John5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Christ is not a lesser god. He is God!
---trey on 3/27/13|
Love.wins, For the whole life of me, I cannot see how in the World you got that GOD's Kingdom will end out of I CORINTHIANS 15:27-28. Those Verses say nothing of the sort. They merely say how the Son of GOD, the King of kings will be subject unto His Father, God the Father. The Son will lift up His Kingdom unto His Father. It does not say that it will come to an end. GOD is FOREVER. HIS Kingdom shall exist FOREVER.
---Gordon on 3/27/13|
Love.wins, Yes, the Kingdom of the Son will be given over to the Father. But, the Kingdom itself will not end.
---Gordon on 3/27/13|
/You may deduce that. Christ's kingdom comes to a definite end according to First Corinthians 15:27,28./-Love.wins on 3/27/13
-So, you're saying Christ is not subject to the Father at this point in time?--that the Father is one of the things subdued?...WOW..
You might have those verses a little misinterpreted.
Just because Christ is subject to the Father, and always has been, does not effect His rule and authority over His creation.
It is that same old arguement about what "till" means (v. 25).
---micha9344 on 3/27/13|
You may deduce that. Christ's kingdom comes to a definite end according to First Corinthians 15:27,28.
---Love.wins on 3/27/13|
Love.wins, So what you would have to deduce, from the interpretation you gave us, is that GOD's Kingdom will, eventually, have an end. Even though PSALM 145:13, DANIEL 2:44 and II PETER 1:11 say otherwise. And, not to mention that GOD HIMSELF is without end. Oh, dear! Now what do we do?? I mean, the only kind of people and angels who would want to see GOD's Kingdom come to an end are HIS own ENEMIES.
---Gordon on 3/27/13|
I think so. It gives that sense.
---Born on 3/27/13|
A literal English translation of that Greek phrase would be 'For the eon of the eons.' Just as King of kings means 'the greatest king,' so the Eon of the eons means 'the greatest eon.' An eon is a time period with a beginning and an end. FYI.
---Love.wins on 3/26/13|
It's likely the naysayers are fearful of their own impending doom Gordon since they know in their hearts they haven't repented & gotten right with Almighty God. So, they perpetually play the rationalization (buried head in the sand) game in hopes that apparent reality will go away. Truly sad!
---Leon on 3/26/13|
Leon, RIGHT. Most English speakers, if not all, know instinctively that when someone says "For ever and ever" in everyday conversation, and in today's vernacular no less, they mean "time without end". The naysayers on this Blog-Site know very well that's what is meant by this expression. It's just, when it comes to this expression in reference to Damnation, they want to, all of a sudden "look under every rock" to find a different meaning to make "For ever and Ever" mean simply "spaces of time in succession to one another that will have an end". But, For Ever and Ever DOES mean a "perpetual Now" (good adjective!), a never ending existence. You're gut's absolutely correct.
---Gordon on 3/25/13|
There is no context distinction for the meaning of "For ever and Ever". What's good for the goose is good for the gander. "For ever and Ever", when speaking of GOD's Kingdom, mean "Time without end. Non-stop". Anyone who truly believes in GOD knows that HIS Kingdom will reign without end. By the same token, those same exact words "For Ever and Ever" have the same meaning, as well, when speaking of the "Smoke of their Torment that ascendeth up..." The differing contexts do not change the meaning of "For ever and Ever". It means the same in both instances. As "Ever" means "Age", it is saying, in effect, "Age after Age after Age after Age, ad infinitum..."
---Gordon on 3/25/13|
Gordon: Without, doing any extensive research, my gut feelings tell me "For ever & Ever" is a vastly different kind of time from our winding down (terminating) time realm. By all known human recorded accounts, "for ever" seems to be some kind of endless time that God has created, either within or without, His "timeless" (perpetual NOW) universe.
These are my gut feelings (opinions) only! :)
---Leon on 3/25/13|
This is a helpless paraphrase of the Greek phrase "eis tous aionos ton ainon" (compare with the Latin calch "in saecula saeculorum", mistranslated as "world without end" in the BCP).
It literally means "unto ages of ages," and has a technical meaning in Orthodox Christian spiritual writings.
Most Orthodox prayers end with these words, including the Doxology to the Lord's prayer.
The Slavonic equivalent is "vo viki vikov". These words appear in the corresponding places in the Slavonic NT.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/24/13|
For ever and ever is a predetermined "period of time, an age" marked by a beginning and an end. Please note that for and ever are separate words rather than the compound word forever. An eternity and eternity is not plausible or feasible. If "for ever and ever was an eternity there would be no need for the conjunction. Rev. 11:15>1Cr 15:24,25 "Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign until He has put all enemies under His feet. Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
---joseph on 3/24/13|