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Meaning Of Cross Jewelry

Does anyone here know the meaning behind the cross jewelry where the cross is on it's side, not straight up and down?

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"if you read what your quoted verses ACTUALLY SAY, they speak about "the words of the book of this prophecy"." StrongAxe

Are you implying that only the book of Revelation has prophesies? You've got to be kidding right? Prophesies from God is as early as Genesis all the way through to Revelation. Almost every book has a prophesy and you're saying it doesn't apply to them? Ya, right.

To single out Revelation 22:18,19 to only the book of Revelation is tom foolery and wicked. Adding and taking out the words of God is applied to every Scripture found in the Bible - Genesis to Revelation, period.

You might as well say Jesus applied to only the Gospel and nothing to do with us today.
---christan on 4/9/13


christan:

When you make a blanket statement that is patently incorrect, it is important to show it as such - and the easiest way to do so is by reductio ad absurdum. The very fact that your statement is incorrect about the simplest irrelevent things, how much more important is it to show that it is incorrect about IMPORTANT things?

Your using colorful pejorative terms like "serpent talk" is merely another fallacious argument called an ad hominem attack. Instead of these, why don't you use precise language and sound reasoning? These would be so much easier (and correct) than avoiding issues, insulting those who question your unsound logic, etc.?
---StrongAxe on 4/9/13


Cluny, let me demonstrate the definition of hypocrisy. Let's first start with

christan: "...it's so clear that your unbelief in the Holy Bible is very telling."

Cluny: "Oh, I believe in the Bible very strongly."

christan: "We are told that the OT and NT are ONE from God"

Cluny: "By whom or where?"

2 Timothy 3:16 - "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness..." Is this not enough for you?

That's why you're a hypocrite when you say "Oh, I believe in the Bible very strongly." When in truth - you DON'T!
---christan on 4/9/13


\\Cluny, as the days and weeks progresses, it's so clear that your unbelief in the Holy Bible is very telling.\\

Oh, I believe in the Bible very strongly.

It's because I believe in the Bible that I don't believe YOU and your use, or rather misuse, of it.

In fact, if you came to my front door saying, "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son....." I wouldn't believe you had I not read it for myself first.

\\We are told that the OT and NT are ONE from God,\\

By whom or where?

You are not God's spokesman, christan.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/8/13


christan:

The Bible was originally just a collection of separate scrolls. Our present arrangement of separate sections in one larger book (and their specific order) is a much more recent invention. Revelation is currently placed at the end, but it was one if the FIRST books in the N.T. first written down.

Also, if you read what your quoted verses ACTUALLY SAY, they speak about "the words of the book of this prophecy". "the book" is clearly The Revelation - especially since it is a book of prophecy, while the rest of the New Testament is not.

While it may be similarly unwise to alter any of the rest of the Bible, those specific verses of Revelation specifically refer to Revelation, and not anything else.
---StrongAxe on 4/8/13




StrongAxe, the Jesuits would have been very proud of your answer but you can't fool a Christian with your serpent talk of "There are many things that the Bible doesn't talk about, because it's outside its area of interest..."

Too bad for you, we're not discussing "cooking, weaving, architecture, mathematics, etc.", though such are wonderful providence of God to the man undeserving of His goodness, but nevertheless He provides for even the ungodly.

The most important message from God to the man is all spelt out in black/white in the form of the Holy Bible and to say there are more that God hasn't reveal with regards to salvation is rubbish. We're talking about Jesus Christ and salvation, period.
---christan on 4/8/13


christan:

Your quote essentially says: if it isn't in the Bible, you shouldn't add it to the Bible.

This is very different from: if it isn't in the Bible, it isn't true.

There are many things that the Bible doesn't talk about, because it's outside its area of interest (for example, cooking, weaving, architecture, mathematics, etc.). This doesn't mean those things aren't true.
---StrongAxe on 4/8/13


Cluny, as the days and weeks progresses, it's so clear that your unbelief in the Holy Bible is very telling. We are told that the OT and NT are ONE from God, in short the Word of God, aka JESUS CHRIST.

Yet, you dissect the Scriptures like one would dissect a cow meant for the supermarket. Ever wondered why Revelation is the last book in the Holy Bible? Or are you going to question God on that?

Ever wondered why John wrote Revelation 22:18,19 and put it where it's been for centuries now? On the last chapter and almost the last verse?

You can write "Glory to Jesus Christ: all you want but remember, "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven".
---christan on 4/8/13


If your quote from Deuteronomy (which name actually means "Second Law") were literally followed, we would not have the NT, or even the Prophetic, Historical, and Wisdom books of the OT, as they were composed AFTER the Torah.

If your INTERPRETATION of the Revelation quote were true, then we would not have the Gospels of the NT, which were not composed until AFTER Revelation. The verse clearly refers to Apocalypse itself, NOT the entire Bible

\\Your understanding of John 21:25 is erroneous, as with all your other understanding, period.\\
---christan on 4/7/13\\

Projecting again, christan?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/8/13


"Oh really? Can you provide any scripture that says this?" StrongAxe

"Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you." Deuteronomy 4:2

"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." Revelation 22:19

Your understanding of John 21:25 is erroneous, as with all your other understanding, period.
---christan on 4/7/13




Acts 1:3 says that during the 40 days between Christ's Resurrection and Ascension, He spoke to His followers of things concerning the Kingdom of God.

Yet, there are no explicit references to these teachings in any of the Gospels.

Obviously, the Bible does NOT record all that Jesus taught us, because it says so itself.

Or do you believe that during these 40 days, Jesus taught things that are NOT of God, christan?

Think about it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/7/13


christan:

You said: If it's not written in the Bible, it's not from God, period.

Oh really? Can you provide any scripture that says this?
On the contrary, I can show one that says the exact opposite:

John 21:25
"And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen."

Thus, there are things Jesus did that are NOT in the Bible. Does this mean THEY not from God, period?? I think not!
---StrongAxe on 4/6/13


\\Your ignorance to the Word is so glaring that when the Light of God shines, it is exposed.\\

You err, christan, as you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God.

For that matter, you're not shining the Light of God.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/6/13


1. God specifically instructed Moses in Numbers 12:8,9 to make the bronze serpent and mount it on the poll (which was symbolic of Christ at Calvary), at that point that serpent healed many Jews when it was looked at.--christan on 4/6/13

You are all tangle up in your words.
God told Moses to make a graven image from bronze and make the bitten Jews look at the snake for healing.
Where the Jews confused on who heal them? God or the graven image? They know it was God doing the healing. all this prefigures Christ on the cross for us for our healing. Not the cross, but God. The Jews people and I are clear on the matter.
---Nikki on 4/7/13


\\The Holy Bible is complete, everything that God wants His people to know about who He is and His Son Jesus Christ is all written in the Holy Bible.\\

Is it?

The Bible itself doesn't say so.

In fact, the Bible says, "Keep the TRADITIONS you have been taught, whether by our word or epistle."

St. John in one of his letters said, "I have many things to say to you, but I cannot put them down in paper and ink."

Even Jesus said, "I have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/6/13


"Do you know who started using a cross as a symbol? GOD" Nikki

Your ignorance to the Word is so glaring that when the Light of God shines, it is exposed. You quote Numbers 12:8,9 to justify to us that it was "God who started using a cross"? Here's the difference and your error:

1. God specifically instructed Moses in Numbers 12:8,9 to make the bronze serpent and mount it on the poll (which was symbolic of Christ at Calvary), at that point that serpent healed many Jews when it was looked at.

2. Where then in the Scriptures after Christ's death do you get God specifically telling His people to make a cross for themselves? Where? Where? Where?

That's the difference!
---christan on 4/6/13


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"Can you prove Christ did NOT?" Cluny

I don't need to prove to you anything here and that's because it's not even in the Scriptures to begin with. If it's not written in the Bible, it's not from God, period.

You see, unlike you, I don't dare add-on to the words of the Bible. The Holy Bible is complete, everything that God wants His people to know about who He is and His Son Jesus Christ is all written in the Holy Bible.

Your laundry list of justifying your "distinctive olive wood cross from Jerusalem" and that it is from God is indeed adding on to the Word of God. Honestly, that's your problem with God and not mine.
---christan on 4/6/13


\\And Christ told you to make a cross or for the RCs, the sign of the cross so that the whole will know that you're in or from Him? \\

Can you prove Christ did NOT?

As a matter of fact, it's not just Roman Catholics who make the Sign of the Cross.

ALL the Pre-Reformation Churches do so.

As well, so do Lutherans, Episcopalians, and even Russian Baptists.

Christians who do NOT are in the definite minority here.

But I think that what upsets you more than anything else, christan, is that I don't agree with how you confuse yourself with Jesus.

Glory to jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/5/13


I sure would like to see such a command from the Scriptures. Jesus said, "He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God."---christan on 4/4/13

Do you know who started using a cross as a symbol? GOD

Numbers 21:8-9 and the LORD SAID to Moses, "make a saraph and mount it on a pole, and if anyone who has been bitten looks at it, he will recover. Moses accordingly made a bronze serpent and mounted it on a pole, and whenever anyone who had been bitten by a serpent he recovered.
---Nikki on 4/5/13


"Were we standing beside each other on the street facing a mahometan terrorist armed with an assault rifle, which of us is more likely to be killed by him for being a Christian?" Cluny

And that's prove you're a Christian? How so? Just because you wear a crucifix? Did the terrorists crash into WTC because they "thought" everyone in there were Christians? Your justifications for your wearing a "distinctive olive wood cross from Jerusalem" is nothing short of being feeble.

"Nice to know that you're of one mind with them."

Hardly. That's because I have Jesus Christ and they don't, just like you - who cling to a "graven image".
---christan on 4/5/13


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//christan, I wear a simple but distinctive olive wood cross from Jerusalem.//
Christ isn't still hanging on it is he?
---michael_e on 4/5/13


christan, I wear a simple but distinctive olive wood cross from Jerusalem.

Were we standing beside each other on the street facing a mahometan terrorist armed with an assault rifle, which of us is more likely to be killed by him for being a Christian?

Also, churches are NOT allowed to display crosses outside their buildings, nor are Christians allowed to wear crosses in mahometan countries.

When mahometans conquered Jerusalem, the first thing they did was to tear down the cross from the top of Holy Sepulchure and destroy it.

Nice to know that you're of one mind with them.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/5/13


Thank you Trey, that's what I've been doing(leaving it alone) for that very reason. Not sure how it started or why. Thank you for researching it for me. I appreciate that. :-)
---Reba on 4/5/13


\\You can't even discern between the truth and a lie when presented before your very eyes and you say i "lay guilt trips" on you?\\

You don't really think you are giving truth, do you?

Are you that confused?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/5/13


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Some say,on graves it is a reference to the hope of the resurrection.
One disciple of Christ member said they use it as
St Andrews cross.
Some still depict Christ on a cross, for whatever reason.
---michael_e on 4/5/13


"your helpless attempts to lay guilt trips on Nikki and me will fail" Cluny

Guilt trip? You flatter yourself. You can't even discern between the truth and a lie when presented before your very eyes and you say i "lay guilt trips" on you?

"...because there is NO condemnation for those in Christ Jesus."

And Christ told you to make a cross or for the RCs, the sign of the cross so that the whole will know that you're in or from Him? I sure would like to see such a command from the Scriptures. Jesus said, "He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God."
---christan on 4/4/13


Reba, I tried to do some digging on the sideways cross and came up with almost nothing.

One person did say it represented a person living "in between heaven and hell".

Another said it represented Christ's finishing the work of salvation so that the cross has been taken down, it is no longer needed.

Since I am not sure to it's meaning, I would leave it alone!
---trey on 4/5/13


Nikki, Cluny, Christan, and even myself will give an account to God for our words and actions someday.
---micha9344 on 4/4/13

How true! May God have mercy on my soul.
---Nikki on 4/4/13


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christan:

Don't you understand reductio ad absurdum? - i.e. reducing a proposition to its logical absurd conclusion to show that the proposition is itself absurd?

I did not compare the death of Jesus to car. I asked that, if you consider a symbol of Jesus's crucifixion to be idolatry, would you ALSO consider a car's logo to be a similarly idolatrous image, and if so, would you therefore shun the use of cars? And if not, how is it OK to use an image to show someone supports Ford, but not to use one to show someone supports Jesus?

You said: ... I won't bother to comment further ...

If so, why did you comment on this a second time?
---StrongAxe on 4/4/13


Rom 14:12-14 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in [his] brother's way.
Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
John 21:22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what [is that] to thee? follow thou me.
Nikki, Cluny, Christan, and even myself will give an account to God for our words and actions someday.
---micha9344 on 4/4/13


How conceited can one get?
---christan on 4/3/13

Nope, just prove to be a CHRISTIAN.

Listen to Cluny, give up.
---Nikki on 4/4/13


christan, your helpless attempts to lay guilt trips on Nikki and me will fail, because there is NO condemnation for those in Christ Jesus.

That means your condemnation of us, too.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/4/13


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"If you and I stood next to those men you spoke about, and someone told a man to pick out the Christian among us. I am sure he would point to me. No words needed." Nikki

You're also saying if you're to stand beside that thief on the cross next to Christ, people would have noticed you were more of a Christian as compared to the thief that Jesus showed mercy to and is now in Paradise?

If people can see you for "what you really are - which is a Christian", what's the purpose then of the "crucifix" you hold so dearly since everyone in that line-up also wears one? Doesn't it then prove that "crucifix" is nothing more than a "graven image"? How conceited can one get?
---christan on 4/3/13


Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin and whatever heavy metal and goth people - they too wear your "crucifix", don't they? And they're Christians? Ya, right!---christan on 4/3/13

If you and I stood next to those men you spoke about, and someone told a man to pick out the Christian among us.
I am sure he would point to me. No words needed.

Ever heard of St Francis' preaching episode?
He told another friar before entering a village that they are going to preach today. They walked straight through the village in complete silence.
At the other side of the village the friar asked St Francis:
"I thought we were going to preach?"
St. Francis answered him saying "We just did."
---Nikki on 4/3/13


\\- I'm dead sure the composer of that wonderful hymn is not justifying you wearing a physical cross but rather about who died on that cross.\\

I agree. You're dead.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/3/13


Nikki, Strongaxe - a car? Seriously? Comparing the person of Jesus Christ to a car? Is that all you can do? Now I understand that your "graven image" is truly similar to a car!

Jesus said, "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." Get it? Spirit?

"The secular world upon seeing the crucifix knows immediately that I am a CHRISTIAN. Muslims, Jews, Hindus and others faith know where I stand without a word from my lips." Nikki

Of course they know where you stand, together with Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin and whatever heavy metal and goth people - they too wear your "crucifix", don't they? And they're Christians? Ya, right!
---christan on 4/3/13


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Strongaxe: you analogy of a car with a logo to the salvation of the sinner by the grace of God is truly one of the worst kind of analogy to have surfaced. I won't bother to comment further as there's no comparison that can come close to salvation of a sinner.

Cluny: Another ridiculous justification of your "graven image" - "As the hymn sings, "I will cling to the old rugged cross,/ and exchange it some day for a crown." - I'm dead sure the composer of that wonderful hymn is not justifying you wearing a physical cross but rather about who died on that cross. If I want to "cling" on to something, it would be in the person of Jesus Christ, not a "cross".
---christan on 4/2/13


christan: Do you drive a car? If so, it's very likely that your car has a stylized logo of the car manufacturer on it somewhere --StrongAxe on 4/2/13

Excellent point!
Plus, I wonder if he washes the Car?
That would be like polishing his idol wouldn't it?
---Nikki on 4/3/13


christan:

Do you drive a car? If so, it's very likely that your car has a stylized logo of the car manufacturer on it somewhere - usually on the back, or as a hood ornament. Do you consider such symbols to be idolatrous? If not, why not, since a cross is idolatrous? And if so, then free your vehicle, and walk everywhere (because taxis and buses are also made by the same companies, and have the same logos...)
---StrongAxe on 4/2/13


Christian, I'm not wanting to be disrespectful of how you believe, I'm just curious so that's why I'm asking this. Why do you feel we're "worshipping" a graven image when we wear a cross necklace, ring etc.? What makes the cross design any different than a heart, flower, or just a circle or square design? I personally don't put any reverence in the "items" I wear. God's instructions for the Ark of the Covenant was to overlay it with pure gold & put cherubim's on top. That was not for them to worship, but to be used for God. What's the difference?
---Reba on 4/2/13


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\\Cluny, I'm angry at your "graven image" of the cross you exalt so highly? O please. But I'll tell you who's angry, and if you have "eyes and ears" to hear, harken unto the warning\\

You don't think that YOU have eyes, or ears do you?

\\Please continue to cling on to your "graven image of a cross" while I cling on to Jesus Christ.\\

And you don't think you actually ARE clinging to Jesus Christ, do you?

You're even more deluded than I thought.

As the hymn sings, "I will cling to the old rugged cross,/ and exchange it some day for a crown."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/2/13


Cluny, I'm angry at your "graven image" of the cross you exalt so highly? O please. But I'll tell you who's angry, and if you have "eyes and ears" to hear, harken unto the warning:

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness... Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools..."

He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall He speak unto them in His wrath, and vex them in His sore displeasure."


Please continue to cling on to your "graven image of a cross" while I cling on to Jesus Christ.
---christan on 4/2/13


\\Your love for a "graven image" obviously supersedes that of loving God with "all your heart, mind and soul", \\

Your anger at even seeing a cross shows how you are perishing.

When St. Paul said, "God forbid that I should glory save in the Cross of our Lord Jesus Christ....." was he loving something else besides Jesus?

Try again.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/31/13


The main subject of the cross is Jesus Christ, period. It's about a person who gave His life that His people may live forever. It's not about the object.--christan on 3/30/13

How true. That's why I wear a crucifix.
I am not AFRAID or ashamed.

The secular world upon seeing the crucifix knows immediately that I am a CHRISTIAN.
Muslims, Jews, Hindus and others faith know where I stand without a word from my lips.

No hiding it, no running away. No pretending I am part of this madness the world.
You may practice your faith on Sundays and on this website, but I practice and live my faith everyday of the week.
At home, work or shopping all will know - I belong to Christ.
---Nikki on 3/31/13


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Christian, do you wear a watch or ring? it is no different from a cross jewelry. I have a cross ring my brother gave me. I cherish it because my deceased brother gave it to me years ago. lighten up about jewelry we wear.
---shira4368 on 3/31/13


Christian, you don't ever have to be concerned about me worshipping an object. Spiritual or not. I know where my Salvation comes from. God (3 in 1) is the ONLY One I worship. I have great respect for the cross for what it means. I also have a great sadness for the same reason. That my sins caused such suffering to save me. Although I may cling to the old rugged cross, it's the Savior's sacrifice I'm clinging to , depending on. I worship God alone.
---Reba on 3/31/13


Reba, don't be swept by an instrument of death and making it into an idol that you kneel down before it and pray, not to mention you wear them by means of an identification. Which I assure you, even unbelievers wear them but never profess themselves to even believe in Jesus Christ.

Making a cross and wearing it is never an instruction God nor the apostles advocated in any of the Scriptures. Though some would attempt to associate certain verses to justify their perverted thoughts of how God is to be worshiped.

The main subject of the cross is Jesus Christ, period. It's about a person who gave His life that His people may live forever. It's not about the object.
---christan on 3/30/13


The cross is the way God the Father, God the Son & God the Holy Spirit decided to free us from satan's hold. Without Christ's death on the cross there would be no hope for mankind. That's why satan hates it so much. The very sight of the cross or anything that looks like it reminds him of the major battle he lost & the struggle for power today. I believe the cross is a major thorn in his miserable so called life. We should thank God EVERYDAY for our way of excape! Thank you Lord for Salvation, by means of the old rugged cross, through Jesus Christ our Lord-
---Reba on 3/30/13


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"Vampires hate, them, too." Cluny

Seriously, you've got to stop watching those Hollywood nonsense! It's taken a "bite" into your life. And even if there are vampires, their hate would be against Jesus Christ and not the cross. For in those days of the Roman Empire, many perished by the cross not only Christ.

Demons and devils hate Jesus Christ and not the cross, that's because they hate God. Get it? Your love for a "graven image" obviously supersedes that of loving God with "all your heart, mind and soul", that's why you have a problem with Exodus 20:4,5. Now you know why that commandment exist? For people like you.
---christan on 3/29/13


Your hatred of crosses simply prove you are perishing. christan.

Vampires hate, them, too.

So do mahometans.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/29/13


Cluny, I've never ever made myself out to be a holy and perfect person. On the contrary, I am an outright sinner (then and even now) and salvation of my soul was the farthest thing on my mind. The Word of God was meaningless to me and my life.

But by the amazing grace of God Almighty, His Words have become life to me. So, I'm compelled to witness and testify of His Truth that He has so graciously given to me. And if you find anything erroneous in my sharing, feel free to point it out but if it's not so, I will disagree.

It really depends on where you're coming from. If you're from the "free-will" camp, I will reject it outright without even a thought.
---christan on 3/28/13


christian, you are absolutely correct that preaching the cross is the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. the preaching of the cross is about salvation. the preaching of the cross is what God used so none would go to hell but no one listens. noah preached for years and no one believed him. they thought he was crazy. I had rather be crazy for Jesus. I will be like a tree planted and don't listen to every wind of doctrine. God bless christian.
---shira4368 on 3/28/13


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||Cluny, I find it truly amazing how you take a verse from the Bible and twist it into something it doesn't even imply nor teaches.||

You, of course, NEVER do this, do you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/27/13


Cluny, I find it truly amazing how you take a verse from the Bible and twist it into something it doesn't even imply nor teaches.

The context of 1 Corinthians 1:18 of "The preaching of the cross..." is explicitly about the teaching of Christ's death for the sins of His people that they may live and have eternal life, period!

Most definitely it's not justifying about wearing a "graven image" like a cross around your neck or the one that hangs before your altar in your temple. What if Christ died by hanging, you'd wear a hangman's noose? Or the chair? Can't imagine one wearing a chair around your neck!

You teach what Exodus 20:4,5 warns against falling into which have grave consequences.
---christan on 3/27/13


\\Cluny, did you actually read the verse you posted in reply to my earlier blog in proper context? Here, take a closer look again. The verse you quoted from Corinthians says:

"The PREACHING of the Cross is FOOLISHNESS to those who are perishing."\\

Actually, what it really says in Greek and Slavonic is, "The very word 'cross' is foolishness......'

Why do witches, satanists, and other Christ hating groups hate the Cross?

Why do mahometans fobid churches in mahometan countries to display them on their buildings?

It's because they are perishing.

Why do you so hate to be visually reminded of the Cross of Christ?

Think REAL hard, christan.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/27/13


GOD's reason for the 3rd Commandment of not making images was for not making them as idols for worshipping. It's not a sin to create works of Art.
---Gordon on 3/27/13


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Christan, YOO-HOO, Are you still there?? Are you going to answer my question I asked you, which you surely must've seen by now? DO YOU, PERSONALLY, HAVE ANY KIND OF ILLUSTRATIONS OR IMAGES OF THE SAVIOUR IN YOUR HOUSE?? (And, that would include pictures from Bibles and any children's Bible Story books.) Let me know. I'll be WAITING for your response.
---Gordon on 3/27/13


Cluny, did you actually read the verse you posted in reply to my earlier blog in proper context? Here, take a closer look again. The verse you quoted from Corinthians says:

"The PREACHING of the Cross is FOOLISHNESS to those who are perishing."

Scripture explicitly says "PREACHING" and not "WEARING or HANGING of the Cross"! I assure you the definition of "preaching" and "wearing" are not similar, maybe to you it is.

That's how much you actually read into the keywords of a verse. And "FOOLISHNESS" is not the keyword but the result in rejecting the word that's being "PREACHED", which you are demonstrating.
---christan on 3/27/13


\\How about being reminded what that "so-called cross" you are wearing has nothing to do with being a Christian. Harken unto the words of the Lord,\\

Here are some more words of the Lord:

"The preaching of the Cross is FOOLISHNESS to those who are pershing."

Then how much more foolish and even contemptible must be its visual representation to the perishing and lost?

Do the math, christan. All you are doing is proving that YOU are perishing.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/26/13


my brother gave me a ring of Christ on the cross. now that my brother has passed on, I cherish what he gave me. the ring is just a reminder of what Christ did for us. I don't worship any object but I love wearing it.
---shira4368 on 3/26/13


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You justify what you say is because you are surrounded by graven images in your temple and even bow down to them when you go "worship" in that "synagogue of satan" every Sunday,---christan

Yup, except no syngogue, but a Church. I wouldn't make fun of Jew's place of worship if I were you. They are God first born you know.
Anyway, I go to Mass on Sundays and multiple times during the week.

If you came to my house you would know I was a Christian because of the many statues displaying my belief. No shame on my part. God knows I WORSHIP HIM ALONE.

You seem so angry?
People who are not able to debate get mad.
Just show me scripture proving your point. No need to be mean spirited.
---Nikki on 3/26/13


Christ death on the cross was overcome by is resurrection.

Kind of a no brainer question isnt it!!!
---Blogger9211 on 3/26/13


Thanks Nikki, I'll have to look that up. I feel that God wants us to enjoy things that remind us of Him & heaven as long as we realize these are THINGS & not ever think they are more than that. We are to worship Him alone.(the 3 in one of course:-)
---Reba on 3/26/13


"Not so, my friend. Without exception not to worship, but not speaking of making graven images." Nikki

It's not I that say, God's words says so. Graven images are precisely what God declares, graven images. And the definition of graven is "a past participle of grave". What's in a grave? The dead!

You justify what you say is because you are surrounded by graven images in your temple and even bow down to them when you go "worship" in that "synagogue of satan" every Sunday, don't you? Not least the one that has the mother and child that you pray to. You see, I too was once a worshiper but thank God for His Almighty mercy and grace, He brought me out of that blindness.
---christan on 3/26/13


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This commandment is WITHOUT exception!---christan on 3/26/13

Not so, my friend. Without exception not to worship, but not speaking of making graven images.
Exodus 37:7
"Two cherubim of beaten gold were made for the ends of the propitiatory."

That is a graven image from heaven.

Numbers 21:8 God speaking again.
"Make a saraph and mount it on a pole, and if anyone who has been bitten looks at it, he will recover."

A graven image from earth.

Not only did God instructed the graven image, but He made them look at it to be HEAL.
Read Verse 9, If they didn't look at it because of God's 1st commandment, they were DEAD.

Is God confused or you?
---Nikki on 3/26/13


It's a sad object really. I'd much rather wear a golden symbol of an empty tomb myself. But no one has ever created one of those to wear. I wonder why?
---Reba on 3/26/13

I think I have seen a empty tomb jewelry before, but I can't remember where I saw it before. I do know it was at a Catholic store or website.
They have many types of jewelry.
A cross with Jesus being resurrected instead of being nailed to it.
Many more.
---Nikki on 3/26/13


Yes Cluny, your ideas were helpful, thank you. & Christian, I understand what your saying & completely agree. yet, I never worship the cross nor anyTHING. It's just a reminder to me of all the suffering that Christ had to go through for my sake. It's a sad object really. I'd much rather wear a golden symbol of an empty tomb myself. But no one has ever created one of those to wear. I wonder why?
---Reba on 3/26/13


Christan, Do you have any images or illustrations in your house of the Saviour?
---Gordon on 3/26/13


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How about being reminded what that "so-called cross" you are wearing has nothing to do with being a Christian. Harken unto the words of the Lord,

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me."


This commandment is WITHOUT exception!
---christan on 3/26/13


Is it a depiction of YAHUSHUA when He fell, carrying His Cross, on the Via Dolorosa?
---Gordon on 3/25/13


I once was blind but now I see. was lost and now I'm saved.
---shira4368 on 3/25/13


\\I'm mainly concerned as to whether or not there is any disrespect in wearing the cross this way. How did wearing the cross this way start & why? Does anyone here know?
---Reba on 3/25/13\\

I guess you mean where the cross looks rather like an X?

Several reasons I can think of:

1. Artistic whim.
2. Christ's falls while bearing the Cross.
3. Representing when we are able to place OUR own crosses down in the next world.
4. Maybe the Cross and Crown symbol, usually I've seen this with the cross at an angle.

These help?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/25/13


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not that i can see, it is just jewelry.
---Scott1 on 3/25/13


The bottom line of cross jewelry is it gives the designers and retailers a new way to get money. It's sort of a fad to have cross jewelry. It's not making some form of "statement" by the wearer, it's just jewelry.
---wivv on 3/25/13


I'm mainly concerned as to whether or not there is any disrespect in wearing the cross this way. How did wearing the cross this way start & why? Does anyone here know?
---Reba on 3/25/13


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