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When Catholics leave and become Protestants we are still friends. But, many Protestants becoming Catholics tell me they have loss many friendships due to converting to the Catholic Faith. Why?

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Nikki: You can't expect to have a normal, congenial debate with an hypocrite like Lee when every other word of his is a deception of some kind. Take his response to my last post for example. I called his "the church of Lee" because he makes up his own religion as he goes along, but he then misquotes me as having said "those that believe in the Bible and follow its Author".

I have Catholic friends who are among the most sincere, Jesus-loving people I know. I also admire the evangelistic dedication of Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses. I do indeed have doctrinal differences with all these groups, but I would never condemn an entire denomination with hate speech the way Lee does.


---jerry6593 on 4/10/13


The FACT is that Roman Catholicism is not geared to the Bible but whatever seems to benefit them.---e.lee7537 on 4/9/13

I didn't think you knew what the word 'fact' means.

Putting the word fact in front of a statement does not mean it becomes a fact. It is your opinion still.
Example:
The fact is I am the smartest person in the world.
You and others might rightfully disagree with me because it is my OPINION.

As for your last comment: It is a joke.
---Nikki on 4/9/13


The main fact is that Roman Catholicism bases many of their beliefs not on Scripture alone but on what they consider their Magisterium and Sacred Tradition.

And how does not identify Sacred Tradition when they see it? Add 2 drops of some chemical on it, and if it turn blue it has to be Sacred Tradition.

The FACT is that Roman Catholicism is not geared to the Bible but whatever seems to benefit them. Ever hear of papal infallibility- something that many during the time of its invention was opposed by many Catholic clergy but forced onto the Roman Church by a power hungry old pope after losing the Papal States.
---e.lee7537 on 4/9/13


Nikki//Again you are dancing with words. Are you one of Obama's speech writer?

If I were one of Obama's speech writers, I would distort the facts, but the facts are something you cannot get away from.--e.lee7537 on 4/9/13

WHAT FACTS?????
I don't think you even know what the word 'fact' means.

You keep giving opinions and think people will believe you gave a fact.

PLEASE DEBATE.
Spit it out, Man!
---Nikki on 4/9/13


Nikki//Again you are dancing with words. Are you one of Obama's speech writer?

If I were one of Obama's speech writers, I would distort the facts, but the facts are something you cannot get away from.

As for Jerry's comment on more Catholics in heaven than those that believe in the Bible and follow its Author, one need only review Adventist literature to see that they have a hatred for Roman Catholics as well as for all those that worship God in Spirit and Truth on Sundays.
---e.lee7537 on 4/9/13




//Point to one faith or moral doctrine what was said in error. Please use Biblical proof, not just your personal opinions.
Easy, if it is not in God's word, there is really no way to determine if a doctrinal belief is correct. It all boils down to what you want to believe - a subjective conclusion.---e.lee7537 on 4/8/13

Again you are dancing with words. Are you one of Obama's speech writer?

Objective and Subjective.
Objective: Touch, See, a fact.
Subjective: Feel, think, believe.

Start with one subject you think a Pope made an error.
Birth Control? Abortion?
Start debating and less flowery talk.
Back up your words.
---Nikki on 4/8/13


I believe that there will be many more Catholics in heaven than members of the church of Lee.

- a Protestant




---jerry6593 on 4/9/13


Nikki, you had stated earlier that in matt 19:12 eunuch is an improper insertion. What should be there?---aka on 4/8/13

I am sorry, I should have explained.
'A eunuch is a man who (by the common definition of the term) may have been castrated..' As if God's grace wasn't enough to keep one celibate.

Matt 19:3-12 Starts with some Pharisees giving any reason for divorce.
When they hear Jesus say no divorce.(unless unlawful marriage) they get smart saying one shouldn't marry if they can't drop the lady for their own desires.
Jesus goes one step further (in my opinion) in Verse 12
Not for ones own desire but for the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN and one must use the Grace given to them if God calls them to such a office.
---Nikki on 4/8/13


//RCC states the Pope will be free from errors in FAITH & MORALS.

And who defines what "faith & Morals' are? If you answered the pope, you got the right answer. But it is all too easy to see that some of the pope really did not have much in the way of morals at all.

//Point to one faith or moral doctrine what was said in error.
Please use Biblical proof, not just your personal opinions.

Easy, if it is not in God's word, there is really no way to determine if a doctrinal belief is correct. It all boils down to what you want to believe - a subjective conclusion.

To you guys, it is the Word of God versus the word of an ecclesiastical head.
---e.lee7537 on 4/8/13


But where O' where do we see any kind of promise that the Lord would keep His church free from doctrinal error?---e.lee7537 on 4/8/13

As always you mix facts with fiction.
RCC states the Pope will be free from errors in FAITH & MORALS.
Not what the weather will be like next year. Or who will win the world series.

Point to one faith or moral doctrine what was said in error.
Please use Biblical proof, not just your personal opinions.

The RCC has never compromise on JESUS and His Words, marriage, abortion, birth control or the like.

Facts and history is our best defense. Stick to Jesus and His Church.
1.2 Billion strong and GROWING! ALLELUIA

satan is so mad.
---Nikki on 4/8/13




Nikki, you had stated earlier that in matt 19:12 eunuch is an improper insertion. What should be there?
---aka on 4/8/13


Nikki//Matthew 16:18
And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.

Jesus ALWAYS keeps His PROMISES!
---
But where O' where do we see any kind of promise that the Lord would keep His church free from doctrinal error?

It is all too easy to see from historical accounts that His church has been continually corrupted and in need of reform.

All Jesus promised was that His church would survive to the end of times, but nowhere can we assume that His church is the visible church such as the Roman Church.

And where do we see anything that would indicate any authority was passed downward to the bishops of Rome?
---e.lee7537 on 4/8/13


I know I have seen many Catholic friends in recent years become saved and leave their Catholicism.--Jed on 4/8/13

Yes, and I have seen and witnessed many Protestants come home into the RCC. 1.2 BILLION and growing.

No other Christian Church is as big or growing as fast.
Because the RCC is Jesus'Church.

Matthew 16:18
"And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it."

Jesus ALWAYS keeps His PROMISES! ALLELUIA
---Nikki on 4/8/13


I know I have seen many Catholic friends in recent years become saved and leave their Catholicism.
---Jed on 4/8/13


They all believed that they could be saved by ritual, especially the re-sacrificing of Jesus in the Mass---e.lee7537 on 4/7/13

No as always, you think you know what Catholic are thinking.
NO Catholic believes they are saved by ritual or re-sacrificing Jesus.

CATHOLICS believe BAPTISM as SALVATION. Mark 16:16

At Holy Mass, Jesus is made present again. His sacrifice was once!
No time concept for Jesus.

Just because you and I live in time doesn't mean Jesus lives in time. He is God and we are not.
---Nikki on 4/8/13


Not all Catholics are alike. There are "official" Roman Catholics who will not allow non-Catholics to take the Eucharist. I have seen how elderly would be brought to a nursing home Mass, then denied communion. One woman was in tears. She could have been notified, ahead of time, I suppose . . . or she forgot she was.

But, if a "Protestant" joins into such a discriminatory way of Catholicism, this can be damaging to a relationship with non discriminatory people.

The Protestants I know welcome anyone to have communion with them. They may be "too inclusive", though, a number not having Biblical moral standards.
---willie_c: on 4/8/13


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//nikki, I have a friend who was catholic. she got saved and is now Baptist.

My wife was a very active Roman Catholic, even teaching their CDC classes, president of the Marian society, and going to Mass every opportunity.

It was only when I befriended her and gave her a Catholic Bible and having witnessed to her of my own conversion experience, that she left Catholicism and begin attending a Baptist church with me every Sunday. I married her a couple of years later.

none of her devout Roman Catholic relatives, including one that was a former priest, wanted to accept her testimony of coming to faith in Christ. They all believed that they could be saved by ritual, especially the re-sacrificing of Jesus in the Mass.
---e.lee7537 on 4/7/13


nikki, I have a friend who was catholic. she got saved and is now Baptist. my daughter in law was catholic and she also was saved and is now a Baptist. we have a guy in our church who was raised catholic. he got saved and is now a Baptist. If I am friends with anyone who is catholic, that's fine with me. I surely like people no matter what their faith is.--shira4368 on 4/6/13

I believe you. I believe Catholics and Protestants are friends. But, have you had Protestant friends that became Catholic? These Catholics have told me they have loss their Protestant friends because they became Catholic.
---Nikki on 4/7/13


Shira: I too have friends in many denominations, including Catholics. I find that there are good (and bad) folks in just about every group on earth. I tell folks "I am a Catholic too, because I believe in the "universal" church of Christ, or I am a Baptist too, because I believe in baptism by immersion, etc. Actually, I am an Adventist because I believe in the soon coming of Jesus.

Hypocrites like Lee claim to believe that "love thy neighbor" is the ONLY Commandment in force for Christians, while hating an entire denomination of Christians because of a hated neighbor. Good grief!



---jerry6593 on 4/7/13


Paul says, himself, "'I have been crucified with Christ, it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me, and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.'" (Galatians 2:20)

But there are ones who claim to be Catholic but deny that God's word says Christ is in Paul living through him. While others say they are Catholic and believe this is God's word.

So, what do you mean by "Catholic"?

By the way, Jesus makes His "sheep" (not just leaders), even, able to tell the difference between a real pastor and a predator > John 10:1-31 > But ones are in denial that Jesus makes us able to tell the difference.
---willie_c: on 4/6/13


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//But, it is you who keeps adding the word 'eunuchs' into Matthew 19:12, not the Bible or Jesus.// -nikki

The greek word used is eunouchos.

Which version do you use? and what is the proper word?

//But, why substitute Jesus for Jesus being in another man?//

Mat 10:20 [Jesus said] For it is not you that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaks in (through) you.

Why substitute the Spirit of the Father for the Spirit of the Father in another man?

as far as the question: i was raised Catholic and was protestant. now, i am adenominational just like i am apolitical.

Joh_13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another, as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
---aka on 4/6/13


nikki, I have a friend who was catholic. she got saved and is now Baptist. my daughter in law was catholic and she also was saved and is now a Baptist. we have a guy in our church who was raised catholic. he got saved and is now a Baptist. If I am friends with anyone who is catholic, that's fine with me. I surely like people no matter what their faith is.
---shira4368 on 4/6/13


But, many Protestants becoming Catholics tell me they have loss many friendships due to converting to the Catholic Faith. Why?
---Nikki on 3/26/13
Well here is why

2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

2 Corinthians 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God

No matter what denomination you belong to, you MUST consider those who leave and join another religion or denomination as apostates
---francis on 4/5/13


---e.lee7537 on 4/4/13
If you understood why no believer, Jew or gentile needed to be circumcised after the cross, you would understand that God is an unchanging God.

Deut 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart,

Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter,

Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but faith which worketh by love.

Unbelief in the promise son with his wife Sarah is what causes circumcision to start,

Belief that Jesus Christ is the promises seed of Abraham that will bless all nation is what caused circumcision to cease

RIGHTEOUSNESS BY FAITH
---francis on 4/5/13


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---e.lee7537 on 4/4/13
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same YESTERDAY: Genesis 2:2 he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.M God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it:

AND TODAY: Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

AND FOREVER Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, it shall come to pass, that from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Hebrews 13:9 Be not carried about with ( Sunday as Lord's day) divers and strange doctrines
---francis on 4/5/13


Francis//Let the phrase "unchanging God" mean something to you, as it does to SDA and to Nehemiah

---
None of your quotes from Nehemiah indicate anything about what was expected of the church centuries later as there was no Sabbath day in the New Covenant dispensation.

As to God being unchangeable, that doctrine pertains ONLY to His attributes, not necessarily on His dealing with His creation.

Say for instance, was God being unchangeable when He decreed that Gentile believers need not be circumcised?

You really need to find a church that teaches the Bible as apparently all Adventism can do for you is to continue to make you look like an idiot.
---e.lee7537 on 4/4/13


---e.lee7537 on 4/2/13

Nehemiah 13:15 In those days saw I in Judah some treading wine presses on the sabbath,
Nehemiah 13:16 menn of Tyre sold on the sabbath unto the children of Judah, and in Jerusalem.
Nehemiah 13:17 Then I contended with the nobles of Judah, and said unto them, What evil thing is this that ye do, and profane the sabbath day?
Nehemiah 13:18 Did not your fathers thus, and did not our God bring all this evil upon us, and upon this city? yet ye bring more wrath upon Israel by profaning the sabbath.

Let the phrase "unchanging God" mean something to you, as it does to SDA and to Nehemiah
---francis on 4/3/13


Paul says, "it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me," in Galatians 2:20. So, Christ in Paul is writing to Timothy ---willie_c: on 4/2/13

Thank you for answering the question.

But, it is you who keeps adding the word 'eunuchs' into Matthew 19:12, not the Bible or Jesus.
Re read the Passage as it is written, not as you want it to say.

As for Christ being in Paul: that's a good one and clever.

But, why substitute Jesus for Jesus being in another man?

Nice try, but I think even you don't believe your own answer.
---Nikki on 4/3/13


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francis //Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil, that put darkness for light, and light for darkness,

---
Totally agree with the verse but what I see in Adventists is that they call good people that do good things evil since they do not observe the old Jewish Sabbath - something not even hinted of as a command in the New Covenant.

Adventism started with the radical religious movement in the early 1800's headed up by so-called Bible believers who did not have the slightest idea as to how to interpret the Bible.
---e.lee7537 on 4/2/13


Hi, Nikki (c: God bless you (c: Ok . . . Jesus says, "'For there are eunuchs who were born thus from their mother's womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He who is able to accept it, let him accept it.'" This is Matthew 19:12.

Paul says, "it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me," in Galatians 2:20. So, Christ in Paul is writing to Timothy (c:
---willie_c: on 4/2/13


Wille, why are you not reading Matt 19:12? Paul wrote his letter to Timothy.
Who is the Master? Jesus or Paul?
If a man is called to the priesthood, God will given him the grace of celibacy.
Most Priest are happy.
Remember it is Men placing celibacy to other Men. They all come to realize it is a good and holy practice.
They are not trapped. They can leave at anytime. They are HAPPY.
---Nikki on 4/2/13


Nikki . . . first, I did not directly say people are dumping the Bible for Mary. But I mean it can seem that way to people. You asked why. This can be why.

Also, in the Roman Catholic Church that I am familiar with, ones who want to be priests are forbidden to marry. They are not given a choice about if they may be married while being priests.

The official Roman Catholic Church, to my knowledge refuses to ordain married men to be pastors.

If this is against what Paul means in 1 Timothy 3:1-10, then they are disobeying God's word, and the evil spirit of their disobedience can darken them so they can't see who they are ordaining. Ones even have not been able to see they were ordaining predators. I see a connection.
---willie_c: on 4/1/13


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Adetunji, thanks, but I don't feel like you have condemn me. I am hung up on Matthew 19:12, because many are pretending Jesus didn't say those words.
But, you keep saying 'forbid' to marriage.

The Catholic Church has Marriage as 1 of the 7 Sacraments.
We don't believe in divorce because it is a Sacrament.
It's Protestants who don't take marry serious.
For the last time, (unless someone else brings it up again) men apply celibacy to themselves.

No one is forcing anyone to be single. Get Married.

I don't hear people getting upset because a men can't marry 2 women at the same time in the USA.
Are we stopping them to marry?
Or are we just saying to them: just PICK ONE LADY!
---Nikki on 3/31/13


Nikki://Of course Jesus wants Men to marry. But if a Man refuses to get marry and serve God completely what is it to you? Are you jealous?// Having a GROUP rule in the Catholic church forbidding persons not to marry is what we believe is contrary to God's word. If it is totally voluntary, it would raise no criticism whatsoever. Matthew 19:12 that you hang so much upon is not a commandment that a group of Christians should forbid persons from marrying. The practice was started because of inheritance problems but that solution by a group of Christians is not agreeable to many other Christians. We do not condemn you but humbly disagree with you Gal.6:1.
---Adetunji on 3/31/13


"So, they can feel someone has dumped the Bible, by going to Mary attention, and men not being allowed to marry as priests which ones see as being directly against 1 Timothy 3:1-10." willie_c: on 3/28/13-

No Catholic has dumped the Bible for Mary!
Sorry, just because you keep saying it doesn't make it so.

What part of Matthew 19:12 do you not understand?
Jesus is above Paul. He is Paul's Lord and Savior.

Of course Jesus wants Men to marry. But if a Man refuses to get marry and serve God completely what is it to you? Are you jealous?
If God called you to get marry and preach, go ahead.

Leave the Priests alone! They don't want to get married!
---Nikki on 3/30/13


The Roman Catholic family were good people but the old Adventist always started his tractor up at dawn on Sundays and worked all day.
---e.lee7537 on 3/29/13

Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil, that put darkness for light, and light for darkness,
---francis on 3/30/13


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Leest: "And that in part is how I know more about Adventism than either Jerry or Francis."

I thought so! You base your religion of hate toward other denominations based on one man (plus, of course, you're SDA sister-in-law). How utterly unChristian of you! Real SDA's base their religion on the Bible only - not on some nutso neighbor.





---jerry6593 on 3/30/13


//Many people work with others of different denomination and have no issues with that

Very true, we grew up with a Roman Catholic family on the next farm down from us and a crazy old Seventh Day Adventist on the other side.

The Roman Catholic family were good people but the old Adventist always started his tractor up at dawn on Sundays and worked all day. the rest of the week he did nothing but sit on his end and damn Christians that worshipped on Sunday. He really had no church of his own but conducted a Friday nite service for himself and his family at his home.

And that in part is how I know more about Adventism than either Jerry or Francis.
---e.lee7537 on 3/29/13


Many people work with others of different denomination and have no issues with that

many people have bosses of different denomination and have no issues with that
---francis on 3/29/13


About judging, Jesus says "'Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.'" (John 7:24) And, "Test all things, hold fast what is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

Nikki, did you not judge, when you decided to trust whoever told you that the Roman Catholic Church is God's church?

Peter told the Christians to pick out men "full of the Holy Spirit and wisdom" > Acts 6:1-7 > to be their deacons. He knew he could trust everyday Christians to be able to tell the difference.

Even Jesus' "sheep" (John 10:1-31) can tell the difference between a qualified person, versus a wolf in fancy clothing putting on an act. Sheep can smell. God's love gives us sense.
---willie_c: on 3/29/13


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jamesl, I don't know of any Baptist church that does not preach heaven and hell. all I know preaches heaven and hell and Jesus Christ and He died to save us from our sin. guess I don't understand what you are meaning. I am thankful you are a teacher. good teachers are scarce these days.
---shira4368 on 3/28/13


\\jamesl...missionary churches don't preach hell...\\
---shira4368 on 3/28/13

I said they preached plenty about how hell is waiting for anyone who sins.

What they DIDN'T preach is a biblical Christ, grace, and salvation

"Saved" was this ambiguous, mystical, self effort where God was ultimately going to weigh our sins on a scale of justice to determine our fate


Cluny,
I really believe God wants me where I am.

Not to learn, but to teach. After being there for two years, I will lead a bible study starting next week, and a Sunday School class soon

I believe God left me in darkness for so long, so that I could recognize the "churched lost" and be able to minister
---James_L on 3/28/13


well cluny, you answered what my blog said. james didn't say he wouldn't go to a church if they didn't preach the gospel. I said that so therefore I took it to mean an answer to my comment. you are really a piece of work, do you know that?
---shira4368 on 3/28/13


Nikki, I said, "So, they can feel someone has dumped the Bible, by going to Mary attention, and men not being allowed to marry as priests which ones see as being directly against 1 Timothy 3:1-10."

And you said, "True, but don't these Protestants believe they are judging Catholics?"

If someone disobeys the Bible, we are told to not accept this. Paul is clear, in 1 Timothy 3:1-10, that God wants family men to "take care of the church of God".

Nowhere does the Bible command that pastors all be single.

And Paul says a pastoral candidate must be "blameless". God can make you able to tell the difference, so you don't ordain predators and psycho killers.
---willie_c: on 3/28/13


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\\cluny, why would I go to a church that didn't preach the gospel? that is the dumbest thing you ever said.
---shira4368 on 3/27/13\\

I wasn't asking you, shira. I was asking JamesL, who said he went to a church that didn't preach the gospel.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/27/13


James_L //They both preached the bad news of sin, and left the sinner to wallow in misery. There was no good news.

Your problem is that you fail to realize that not all preachers you will find in the pulpit of many denominations are themselves knowledgeable of the plan of salvation.

I once heard the gospel explained very well and that in a Roman Catholic church. The priest was a charismatic.
---e.lee7537 on 3/27/13


Cluny:

You asked: If you are not hearing the gospel in the church you attend, why do you bother to attend it?

Most people believe what they are told - whether by their parents, peers, teachers, governments, or churches. I think that most people who go to churches where the gospel isn't being preached have no idea that there's anything wrong with what they're being told, because that's what they have always heard.
---StrongAxe on 3/28/13


1987 CCC The grace of the Holy Spirit has the power to justify us, that is to cleanse us from our sins and to communicate to us "the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ"and through Baptism. Rom 3:22, cf. 6:3-4
---Nikki on 3/27/13

Wrong Nikki, the Holy Spirit is not who justified anyone, God does. Justification is a LEGAL term, that is God declaring a sinner NOT GUILTY based upon one's Faith in Jesus' finished works on the Cross. There is nothing supernatural in Justification.

You must be talking about sanctification in some form, but not Justification according to scripture.
---kathr4453 on 3/28/13


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jamesl, I don't know where you got the idea about missionary churches don't preach hell. I've been in a few of them and all Baptist believe hell in literal. heaven is real. I am sorry for your experience. church isn't what it use to be. the Methodist use to believe the same as Baptist then they got modernized. now they are opposite than Baptist. my son in law was raised a Methodist. He has not been to church since he was 16. I can't even get him to visit. his dad is a Methodist preacher and he never goes either. I cant understand that.
---shira4368 on 3/28/13


\\I can't imagine being in a church that does not preach hell is hot and Jesus is real.\\
---shira4368 on 3/27/13

Both the Missioinary Baptist Church and the Assembly of God church preached that hell is hot.

They both preached the bad news of sin, and left the sinner to wallow in misery. There was no good news.
Jesus saves? I never learned that.
Jesus is God? Not even hardly.
Free from the Law? Not on your life.

Jesus was real in the sense that He existed, died, rose and will come back, but for what purpose? Never heard anything about the purpose of His birth, life, death, resurrection and second coming. Just mystical jargon and no good news
---James_L on 3/27/13


The RCC Concept of Justification
The RCC position on justification is this: Men must receive an infusion of righteousness by the Holy Spirit. God then pronounces the believer just because of the work that the Holy Spirit has done in him...There is no such thing as INFUSED Righteousness anymore than imparted Righteousness.
---kathr4453 on 3/27/13

I don't know where you got that definition. Please us numbers from the CCC if you are going to quote the RCC.

1987 CCC The grace of the Holy Spirit has the power to justify us, that is to cleanse us from our sins and to communicate to us "the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ"and through Baptism. Rom 3:22, cf. 6:3-4
---Nikki on 3/27/13


cluny, glory to you. I can't imagine being orthodox. I would not attend a church that didn't present the gospel, heaven and hell.
---shira4368 on 3/27/13


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cluny, why would I go to a church that didn't preach the gospel? that is the dumbest thing you ever said.
---shira4368 on 3/27/13


\\And it is not the Southern Baptist Church I currently attend
---James_L on 3/27/13
\\

If you are not hearing the gospel in the church you attend, why do you bother to attend it?

This makes no sense whatsoever.

I used to be a Southern Baptist, but I got saved and became Orthodox.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/27/13


E. Lee, you keep forgetting that most people today can not read and more in the past could not read.
That's why the RCC demands scripture to be read from the OT, Psalms, NT and Gospel every Sundays.

We have more scriptures read in the RCC on one Sunday than Protestant's Churches in one month.
So, it wasn't a RCC in the Philippines that felt it wasn't necessary to read he Bible. Because it is Cannon law (law of the Church) to read appointed scripture that Sunday.
A Priest can't decide to pick his own passages to read or poetry.

So, you have mistaken another church for the RCC. Because since the beginning the RCC knows the importance of the Bible. So much we are going to read it to you just in case you can't read.
---Nikki on 3/27/13


He was actually angry for a long time that the RCC does not preach the Gospel of Salvation.---kathr4453 on 3/27/13

Gospel means 'Good news'. The Priest preaches on the Gospel after reading the Gospel.
The whole Gospel is about Salvation.
In fact, the whole Bible is a story of Man's Salvation.

I'm not saying this in a harsh matter, but I think he wasn't paying attention.
---Nikki on 3/27/13


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The RCC Concept of Justification

The RCC position on justification is this: Men must receive an infusion of righteousness by the Holy Spirit. God then pronounces the believer just because of the work that the Holy Spirit has done in him.

The RCC teaches that a man is justified before God because the Holy Spirit has given that man a just nature.????? HELLO!!! WRONG. God the Father merely recognizes the work which the Holy Spirit has done in the heart of the believer.


However that is not what Scripture teaches/ God Justified the UNGODLY. But RCC and Calvinism agree here.

There is no such thing as INFUSED Righteousness anymore than imparted Righteousness.
---kathr4453 on 3/27/13


james, why do you attend a church that does not present the gospel? I can't imagine being in a church that does not preach hell is hot and Jesus is real. my friend went to Houston to sing and the pastor told him not to sing anything that had the blood mentioned so my friend picked out every song about the blood of Christ. they told him not to come back and he told them he wouldn't even if ask. that was southern Baptist also.
---shira4368 on 3/27/13


\\My brother in law, once RCC , said all those years in the Catholic Church never once heard the Gospel...He was actually angry for a long time that the RCC does not preach the Gospel of Salvation.\\
---kathr4453 on 3/27/13


I had the same experience in a Missionary Baptist Church as a kid, and then later in an Assembly of God church as an adult.

I have personally attended or visited about 40 churches in the past 14 years. You know how many of those I actually heard the gospel in? ONE. And it is not the Southern Baptist Church I currently attend
---James_L on 3/27/13


nikki//Sorry, but your wife could not have been a DEVOUT RC if she didn't read the Bible.

The RC church in the Philippines did not believe it necessary for one to read the Bible and there were very few Bible there until Protestant missionaries came into the region.

My sister who lives in Omaha, converted to Roman Catholicism and surrendered her Bible as she was told that by reading it, she might fall into heresy.

Fortunately now the RCC church is starting to emphasize Bible reading but in older times, it was forbidden even for a Catholic to have a Bible.
---e.lee7537 on 3/27/13


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My brother in law, once RCC , said all those years in the Catholic Church never once heard the Gospel.---kathr4453 on 3/27/13

Please ask your Brother in law to think back when he was in the RCC.
Tell him every Sunday he heard 4 different readings (one was sung-Psalms).
Now ask him does he remember having to stand during one of the reading read by the Priest or the Deacon? (The last set of readings)

That's when he heard the GOSPEL.
---Nikki on 3/27/13


\\Some protestants do not have a personal relationship.\\
---Scott1 on 3/27/13

Some ??

Many Protestants don't even have faith in Christ and His cross, much less a "personal relationship"

Whatever that means
---James_L on 3/27/13


Old differences. There was the inquistion. Tyndale burned at the stake for translating the Bible into English. Hus burned at the stake for thinking outside catholicism on scripture. Luther escaped death going outside catholicism in review of scripture. Some matters of history are passed along. Yet, no one goes by scripture alone and there are no perfect faiths and some devote catholics will disown their children in their children assuming other than catholic beliefs. It goes both ways. There are fewer differences today as all are lukewarm christians. None practice the Bible. We are in the world and of the world. Abortion, same-sex marriage -- it's all coming to the church. What will any points of difference matter when all sin becomes accepted?
---born5638 on 3/27/13


My brother in law, once RCC , said all those years in the Catholic Church never once heard the Gospel. He went to Church with my sister, and was saved as a result of hearing the Gospel of Salvation. He was actually angry for a long time that the RCC does not preach the Gospel of Salvation.

He left the RCC and yes, his family, Mother especially ( old school RCC) was very difficult.
---kathr4453 on 3/27/13


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Nikki, this is one of the problems in the Church, that each denomination feels that it, and only it, is the 'correct' one.

Many centuries ago the Catholic Church might have had this, but now it is mostly the protestants who have this problem - and often each minor section of protestantism may also have this

It is sad, and as stated in 1 Cor 1:10-13, about the divisions in Corinth. The whole church is becoming like that, and it is very damaging

Blessings
---Peter on 3/27/13


Nikki
May I suggest you listen to Mark Driscoll of Mars Hill Seattle, Ephesians series #9. He was a RC as a kid, in name but did not have the personal relationship with Christ until college. It is his story about how he found a personal relationship with Christ. It is nothing against the RC it is just his story nor do I believe that you do not a personal relationship. Some protestants do not have a personal relationship.
---Scott1 on 3/27/13


\\she came to understand that the Roman Church was really not "the way, the truth, and the life".\\

Neither is what you think is being born again.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/26/13


Nikki,
I could be wrong, but I'm thinking that Catholics becoming Protestants wouldn't have been considered friends until after Vatican II, where Protestants were first referred to as "separated brethren"

Up til then, wouldn't it have been better to convert to Islam rather than Protestantism?
---James_L on 3/26/13


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When Catholics leave and become Protestants we are still friends.
---Nikki on 3/26/13
Yes

There is no need to give up a friend just because they have become catholic, or moved from one denomination ot religion to another
---francis on 3/26/13


My wife was devout Roman Catholic and very faithful to her church and its services. However, when she became a Christian born of God's Spirit---e.lee7537 on 3/26/13

Sorry, but your wife could not have been a DEVOUT RC if she didn't read the Bible.
Plus, not so much devout if she didn't even know she was a Christian while she was in the the Catholic Church.

It seems she was a culture Catholic. Going to Mass every Sunday, but not knowing what was going on.
---Nikki on 3/26/13


So, they can feel someone has dumped the Bible, by going to Mary attention, and men not being allowed to marry as priests which ones see as being directly against 1 Timothy 3:1-10.---willie_c: on 3/26/13

True, but don't these Protestants believe they are judging Catholics?

How are we dumping the Bible by giving Mary attention?
(Thank you for not saying worshiping).

Did you know that if someone couldn't read, but knew how to say the Rosary would know multiple stories of the NT Bible?
19 out of 20 Mysteries directly from the Bible.

Not allowing Priests to marry follows Jesus in Matt 19:12
Biblical
---Nikki on 3/26/13


Scott1, you just made a statement which you believe, but have no proof.
I am Catholic and I never knew any Catholics who worship the Pope, Mary or any Saint.
But, because I live in the Bible belt I know a bunch of Protestants who believe Catholics worship Mary, Pope and Saints.

I don't believe your friend.

Plus, I have many Protestants who asked me to pray to God for them. I see Preachers on TV asking for donations for prayers.

What happen to the core belief of direct access to God by Christ as the only Mediator?

Which the RCC always claimed that Christ is the only Mediator in our Salvation.
---Nikki on 3/26/13


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My wife was devout Roman Catholic and very faithful to her church and its services. However, when she became a Christian born of God's Spirit and started reading the Bible (something most RCCs do not do), she came to understand that the Roman Church was really not "the way, the truth, and the life".

As to friends, some she lost, most however, really could care less, believing that an individual should be entitled to ones own convictions.
---e.lee7537 on 3/26/13


Hi, Nikki . . . each person is different. So, the reason why each person leaving protestantism loses a friendship is going to be different.

One possible reason is if the person left a protestant church which was just an in-crowd.

Also, there are Bible people who are very concerned about the attention which goes to Mary, and other things that are officially Roman Catholic. So, they can feel someone has dumped the Bible, by going to Mary attention, and men not being allowed to marry as priests . . . which ones see as being directly against 1 Timothy 3:1-10.

But you might let each person speak for one's self (c:
---willie_c: on 3/26/13


There is truth that SOME catholics worship the pope, Mary, and other saints and need those people to access God for them. One of the core beliefs of protestants is a direct access to God that Christ is the only mediator between us and God we do not have to go through a priest.
My friend went to Rome a few years ago and devout RCC followers were amazed that you could have a personal one on one relationship with Christ and not just a political and cultural lifestyle. With that said protestants can incorrectly group the entire RCC together. Same way some protestant denoms group each other together incorrectly.
---Scott1 on 3/26/13


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