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The Church is dying and Faith vanishing. How will you respond?

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Joseph, If you understand who are those that are born of the Spirit who belong to the body of Christ, how is the church caught in the three temptations? That is what you said and I do want to understand what it is you are saying about the Church of Christ. Here is what you said,
"The three temptations are counter to the Sacred Scriptures. All the churches are just caught in that"
Just how is the Church of Christ caught in the three tempations that Jesus went through?
---Mark_V. on 5/7/13

You can't escape the tempter, glory!Avvaillaiah, as you are all ready for the final one.You shall not die, for you are all of God, His angels are there to save your skin. Climb atop the temple and descent, With the thundering canons of clouds. Showering fear of death and eternal fire: Until all say in one voice"Thou art God". Forget not to build your home, As heaven on earth for your soul.All that you build on faith,Thank God! Yours only after death.
---Joseph_ROY on 5/7/13

Joseph_ROY://. that view could lead to the conclusion that Jesus is responsible for all the confusions amidst christians // If a school is not performing as licensed, government closes it down. If a section of a company is losing to much, it is closed down. The word of God is alive & living. It is your understanding of John 15:2 that is suspect.
---Adetunji on 5/7/13

Reason is not coming in to it's own atheist. The majority of people leaving the church are joining the New Age movement or paganism.

Christianity is based on reason and belief in facts that it considers historical. Many Great Scientist were also Christians. But Paganism does not have these restrictions. True many who called themselves Christians do not think. But then most people are not thinkers.

I have met atheists who do not think.
---jSamuelbb7 on 5/7/13

adujuni, amen you are absolutely correct. churches are closing everyday. I know of one such church that still exist but they treated their pastor so bad, the Spirit left the church. it went from packed out campmeetings to a funeral in a short time span. the whole thing is just certain ones want to run the church. how sad. I feel bad for anyone who mistreats God's called preacher. I would not want to face judgement with that hanging over me.
---shira4368 on 5/6/13

Atheist, you are quite right. Reason must prevail. Marx was all the more right if he meant religion becomes opium. But as an economist he cannot conclude on points of theology.
---Joseph_ROY on 5/6/13

Adetunji, that view could lead to the conclusion that Jesus is responsible for all the confusions amidst christians.
---Joseph_ROY on 5/6/13

Joseph_ROY: //the church i saw yesterday is no more there today and the church i see today will no more be there tomorrow...// Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away John 15:2. Do not worry yourself stiff. The Lord is in charge.
---Adetunji on 5/6/13

Mark v, I am very much aware of all these concepts and there is no confusion in my mind. I always rely on information and data. Jesus mission was introduced in the context of the temptation by the same serpent which met with Eve in the garden. The three temptations are counter to the Sacred Scriptures. All the churches are just caught in that
---Joseph_ROY on 5/6/13

Joseph Roy, you confuse the visible church where the wheat and the tares hang out. In some places there is hardly and wheat. The Church of Christ is made of "the called out" believers. They are born of God, baptized by the Holy Spirit and belong to one body in Christ where Jesus is the Head of the body, and is Our High Priest. There is no tares in the body of Christ. And nothing can separate us from the love of Christ. So the Church of Christ is not dying, it is very much alive. And we are not in the desert, we are spiritually seated with Christ in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus our Lord. To remain with Him forever.
The reason you speak that way is because you are looking at things in the flesh. Institutions created by man.
---Mark_V. on 5/5/13

Shira, I do not dispute your precise quotes. fear of God is the beginning of wisdom and it is the different form of pride that blind us. Wisdom is a gift which the proud cannot see.
---Joseph_ROY on 5/4/13

Reason is coming into it own. It's a good thing.
---atheist on 5/4/13

markv, have you ever heard a song called "from the back side of the desert He called moses?" I do think the desert means we are obscure to the world but lowly in life. who would ever believe moses would be called to lead God's people out of bondage? Paul is another.
---shira4368 on 5/4/13

the church i saw yesterday is no more there today and the church i see today will no more be there tomorrow. christians make it disappear
---Joseph_ROY on 5/4/13

You are looking in the wrong place for the church, you are looking at sects that teach for doctrine the commandments of men.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

So let me invite you to look at the Seventh-Day Adventist Church
---francis on 5/4/13

joseph roy, God tells us He will give us wisdom. people get not because they ask not. Solomon ask and he received. God said our wisdom exceeds riches and all the world's wealth. 11 Chronicles 22:12, only the Lord give thee wisdom. Proverbs says wisdom is the principal thing. also says wisdom is too high for a fool. the jews wanted a sign but God gave wisdom to the Greeks. I really don't know what you are asking. whatever God gives me I will cherish.
---shira4368 on 5/4/13

Adetunji, the church i saw yesterday is no more there today and the church i see today will no more be there tomorrow. christians make it disappear
---Joseph_ROY on 5/4/13

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Shira,I do appreciate praying for wisdom for wisdom is very important. But I hear it often said that churchmen (also women) will be denied wisdom by God. why? and what do you think?
---Joseph_ROY on 5/4/13

Mark, preachers are professionals who often have to defend their trade. The church is the bride, Jesus is the groom,After the death of a groom, if the bride gets more fit and trim,and if more and more grooms appear as innumerable founders of churches all with some good reason it may appear that the bride is all the more attractive. Theology does not help here! The Church is dying and faith vanishing!Clashing churches.....
---Joseph_ROY on 5/2/13

Joseph_ROY:// "... .., if the church is dying and faith vanishing. What is our part?// Our part is to do whatever little percentage of the great commission Matt.28:18-20 that God has already empowered us to do. If we really desire the growth of the Church, we must work & God will bless it, then we'll see it.
---Adetunji on 5/2/13

joseph roy, our wisdom comes from God. the bible tells us to pray for wisdom. God reveals many spiritual things to us but it isn't automatic knowledge. it comes from prayer and studying God's Word. I have prayed for wisdom many times.
---shira4368 on 5/2/13

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Joseph, I do not know what desert you are talking about. And I do not know the tempter, I know about him through Scripture, but don't know him. I could never tell you what he looks like.

Maybe you were trying to make a metaphor phrase with the words you used for some reason or another. The Church of Christ is not dying. The church is not an institution, but a living body that will never die, made up of many parts, and Jesus is the Head of that body of believers. To preach that the body of Christ is dying is a false statement.
---Mark_V. on 5/2/13

Shira, Christianity is based on knowledge, wisdom and enlightenment. Knowledge is brought by perception and the rest by God's Spirit.
---Joseph_ROY on 5/2/13

Scott, this blog is not an affront to Churches nor to tything. It is a plain appeal or S.O.S.It is certainly based on certain statistics. Before 1980 around 80% Christians attended Churches at lest once a week. The 20% consisted of atheists who adhered to certain values and some others who did not care about them. Today less than 20% of Christians attend Churches. The term Christian has becoem just a trademark of social identity- just to say not a muslim or others. The quality of christians has come down. Few care about values . thus goes on . Still all the externals remain together with all pretentions. Everything points to a decline.
---Joseph_ROY on 5/2/13

I believe when the Holy Spirit lives in someone, satan would be trembling and therefore would reveal it to us.
---shira4368 on 5/1/13

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Mark v. I mean the christians like me and you and like your Christians and mine. The churches too are no different from yours or mine. The whole world is the desert. You know the tempter!
---Joseph_ROY on 5/1/13

Joseph, you did not answer the questions. You made the statment, I didn't. And if you were in the desert with the Christians and the Tempter came face to face with you as he did with Jesus, how did you know it was him? Did you already have a picture of him? Or seen him before? What desert are you talking about? And what kind of Christians are you speaking of? The Christians I know and that are in the Bible all have faith in the works of Christ. No faith, then they are not Christians.
---Mark_V. on 4/30/13

If Christ faced the tempter no christian can escape. Are you trying to take shelter under bible quotes? When these two tests are over, You are ready for the final one. Says the Tempter. "You shall not die (as you are all saved), if you are of God! His angels are there to save your skin! Forget not the tenth portion and first fruits of all your works.
---Joseph_ROY on 4/30/13

Joseph, you are in the desert, what desert? Then you say,

"Markv, The church is dying and faith vanishing! I see the desert and I face the tempter just as Christ has done"

Do you mean the tempter appeared to you in person while you were with the Christians in the desert?
What in the world are you talking about? I've never been to the desert. What Christians lose their faith? If they have no faith they could not possibly be Christians. So what did the temper look like? And how did you know it was the Temper? Had you seen him before?
---Mark_V. on 4/30/13

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Adetunii, "Focus on Him to help us do our part". That is faith, if the church is dying and faith vanishing. What is our part? Theological reflections do not wipe of existential problems. We need practical solutions. Do you have any?
---Joseph_ROY on 4/30/13

we, the saved can act such that God will not allow the Holy Spirit to manifest itself but that doesn't mean we are not saved. that is why our churches are dead. God can and does remove the Spirit from church. I have seen that. I watched a preacher once preached with power and the spirit was dealing with some and he all of a sudden started talking about eating, the spirit left immediately.
---shira4368 on 4/29/13

The body of Christ cannot die, its not in a building or given a government license approval of a name. Its the body of Christ and its u and me and world wide.
So if u think the building with a bunch of people is the 'church', then kingdoms fall rise.
---vkerrid on 4/29/13

The Church is dying and Faith vanishing. How will you respond?
---Joseph_ROY on 3/27/13
Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

The church cannot die, you are looking at the wrong thing

You are looking at tares, thinking that they are wheat

Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
---francis on 4/29/13

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Yes men's churches are failing, but true faith is emerging. There might be fewer people of faith, but it is more than the fails combined.

It is written that it will be this way.
---aka on 4/29/13

//I see all the churches as the tempter prompts: Forget not my tenth share and first fruits of all your works. make money, eat drink and make merry.//

Joseph not all churchs are money hungry, even some of the large churchs. Because you have used the word all I see the tempter prompting you against the Church. If you expect churchs are money hungry you will only see money hungry churchs. Tithing is the greatest weapon to combat the love of money 1 Tim 6:6. My church did money wisdom this week. Newspring Church South Carolina.
---Scott1 on 4/29/13

I am in the desert with all the Christians. I see the tempter and all the churches. Wake up from your slumber and return to God that is what I hear the Prophets say.Search for faith as you test. Pass the glitter and not the fire,Till a dust of faith withstands the heat.
---Joseph_ROY on 4/29/13

Markv, The church is dying and faith vanishing! I see the desert and I face the tempter just as Christ has done. I hear the words we have but one life on earth. Why to waste it chasing clouds? Then I see all the churches as the tempter prompts: Forget not my tenth share and first fruits of all your works. make money, eat drink and make merry. forget about tomorrow . the church insures your seat in heaven,But forget not my tenth share!
---Joseph_ROY on 4/28/13

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Joseph, have you ever heard of the word "sin?" Do you not know that as long as there is sin, there will always be people, the children of satan, who will be doing the desires of their father the devil? In the gathering of believers there will always be those who are not believers. It is pretty simple. So what else is new? What is your point and your purpose? To tell us that?
---Mark_V. on 4/29/13

Markv, for two thousand years you have seen it, some are callous, some others indifferent. Ignorance or even at times innocence provides fertile soil for deceptive seeds. Waken up! Do you see the church as your own? Any answer? Forget not my tenth share, And firsat fruits of all your works!
---Joseph_ROY on 4/28/13

Joseph Roy, again you posted a blog that only you have the words to answer the way you do. Take it over and make it your own, and answer your own statement. Why do you ask to respond when you do not answer them back? You just wanted to make a statement that you belief. Great.
---Mark_V. on 4/26/13

Hold your breath as you wait on, And search for faith, as you test."I am Miss Universe!The gift of nature,Goddess and the Mother, supreme in the circle,See the world on its feet ,forget all the rest. Worship me as your own and all for you to use!
---Joseph_ROY on 4/24/13

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Death/Resurrection destroyed death.
Body of Christ:
I Tim 3:15-16 "But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth."
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed in the world, received up into glory."
Jn 1:1-14 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
[...]"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
---char on 4/24/13

Church is dying and faith vanishing, Mournful shadows cloud the sky. Join the dirge, when the fun'ral is on, As clashing churches keep to the rhyme!
Baking bread and making money, the church is still in the desert,The people are on the heights,Making gods of flesh and blood. Forget not my tenth portion, And first fruits of all your works!
---Joseph_ROY on 4/23/13

There is no soul without faith,And faith is found when cast in fire!Gold is seen in smoldering heat,So it be for testing faith. If nothing lasts ,praise the Lord!for at last now, start afresh.
---Joseph_ROY on 4/22/13

I agree. But there will always be a remnant. Sometimes I wonder if there will only be 144,000 saved. But may be that is just the number that has not defiled itself with women. Pretty soon conservative christians will be hard hit. Not a good time for kids. Did the Moral Majority ever exist?
---bike on 4/22/13

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//Bake bread of stones for me , Make more ..of money. Forget not my tenth share,And first fruits of all your labor.I am the Rug and the Crook,..... Skillful wolves and crafty thieves// The Lord and the early Apostles had all warned us that these things will happen, but our attention must be on what the Lord requires of us with our focus on Him to help us to do our part.
---Adetunji on 4/22/13

Haaa! Counting souls is just maths, And spreading faith is only myth. There is no soul without faith,And faith is found when cast in fire.
---Joseph_ROY on 4/22/13

Bake bread of stones for me , Make more and more of money. Forget not my tenth share,And first fruits of all your labor.I am the Rug and the Crook,Which all herdsmen and shepherds use. Skillful wolves and crafty thieves,All can put on my gentle face.
---Joseph_ROY on 4/21/13

The people are the church,therefore it is up to every Christian to stay alive in God through the name of Jesus. We do that by keeping God alive in our hearts by reading the Bible,praying to God in Jesus name,praising God at all times,keeping in touch with God. We pray and praise without ceasing ,by keeping our minds and hearts stayed on God we stay close to God and keep the Holy Spirit moving in us and the Church Meetings. We build ourselves up in faith by praying in the Spirit. Draw near unto God and He will draw near unto us.
---Darlene_1 on 4/21/13

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Joseph, how can the "spiritual Church" of Christ, His bride, be dying? Not possible. It's eternally alive forever. One body in Christ. It does not die, nor does it lose its faith.
"The visible churches" are not dying, they are growing bigger all the time. Their faith is not vanishing, genuine believers with faith are leaving them.
The Church of Christ, is made up of genuine believers who are spiritually save by God. And they are given every spiritual gift they need in this life.
"So that you are not lacking in any spiritual gift, as you wait for the revealing of our Lord Jesus Christ who will sustain you to the end, guiltless in the Day of our Lord Jesus Christ." (1 Cor. 1:7-9).
---Mark_V. on 4/21/13

From a historical standpoint, there has been times when the church seems to be on its deathbed. However, we also see that such were followed by great revivals in which the church again became viable and alive.

Hopefully we may again see revival occur in the church - something we need to pray continually for.
---e.lee7537 on 4/21/13

markv, Christians that are real do have the spirit of God living in them but I have seen one person quench the spirit and ruin a church service. many Christians quench the Spirit and are cold so the Spirit doesn't manifest itself in their life. I've seen a preacher quench the spirit when he said "I'm hungry" at the time when the Spirit was manifesting itself In the service. it immediately left.
---shira4368 on 4/21/13

Sad---The Church is dying and faith vanishing, Mournful shadows cloud the sky, Join the dirge when the fun'ral is on, As clashing churches keep to the rhyme.
---Joseph_ROY on 4/20/13

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joseph roy, you are right about the church dying. there aren't many churches left where the Spirit of God is felt. the church has become entertainment centers and babysitters. they try to outdress each other and out snob each other. God is turning His back on the traditional church. we need to pray for our churches.
---shira4368 on 4/20/13

A Doctor tells an expectant mother"the life of your child is at risk. Go for a scan". Can't we try to save the child? That is the response!
What makes the Church sick and dying: Ignorance, Indifference and above all Arrogance. The Church is sick and dying.
---Joseph_ROY on 4/20/13

Joseph_ROY: The word of God cannot be broken. Isaiah 9:7 says, "Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end..". Yes, you might be seen some people falling away close to you, but be sure the Kingdom of God is increasing somewhere else. Please pray for those falling out.
---Adetunji on 3/31/13

Born, the true Church of Christ is alive, spiritually alive. Since Christ lives in us, and we are alive to Christ. In some visible churches there is many who are alive to Christ, and as long as they remain, the visible church has hope, but when those believers leave, Christ is no longer present at those churches since Christ lives in us.
---Mark_V. on 3/30/13

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The church is not dying, rather, THE TRUE MEMBERS of the church are the ONLY ONES LIVING. Jesus said, "I AM THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, THE GOD OF ISAAC, THE GOD OF JACOB." He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. A remnant will always live. The rest of us are dead and worldly church will not save us.
---born on 3/29/13

---Jed on 3/28/13
that is one way to look at it
"losing a little fat"
---francis on 3/29/13

Bro. Joseph, I believe you were assuming everyone would understand what Church you were talking about since the Spiritual Church of Christ, can never die or lose their faith, you were thinking of visible churches. Churches losing thier faith and dying. Bro. Trey is right. Many visible churches are dying. In Europe many churches have closed and mosque have taken over building where Christians use to gather. Many visible churches today are so bad. What happens is, when the most churches begin, they are very sound, and in time new members enter those assemblies bringing with them more heresies to the point that in many years, there is hardly any truth left in them. The seven Churches all failed in time, and since then so many others have also.
---Mark_V. on 3/29/13

The Church is the bride of Christ. The Church is not dying. She is just losing a little weight. Getting rid of some unneeded fat and becoming more perfect.

More of the wolves are stripping off their sheep outfit and leaving the church altogether. Leaving a smaller, truer group of believers.
---Jed on 3/28/13

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Well, the CHURCH is the Body of Christ, His Heavenly Body, that is those baptized into Christ and raised up with Christ are the Church. Not some building of people called a Church.

As long as the Church is here as the representatives of Christ on earth as His hands and feet, of coarse the Chiurch is not dying 0r vanishing. BUT when the Church does VANISH many call that the "rapture or translation of the Church." but the Church even then won't be dead.
---kathr4453 on 3/28/13

Like your denominational church, michael_e?
Cluny i belong to no denomination or non-denomination. There is one Church the Body of Christ, it is not orthodoxy or catholic or baptist etc.
Incidentally Christ is not still on the Cross
Glory to the RISEN Christ
---michael_e on 3/28/13

Cluny, I can tell what Joseph_ROY meant by the way he worded it. But, it seems you were trying to shine the light on the other type of dying-to-the-flesh that must happen within the Church. My apologies. You're free to say what ever you want. :-)
---Gordon on 3/28/13

francis, wealth don't contribute to the church dying. the bible does not say that being wealthy is a sin. it says the "love" of money is a sin. I agree with the blogger the church is lukewarm and God said if you are not hot or cold, I will spit you out my mouth.
---shira4368 on 3/28/13

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\\ The denominational churches may be dying, some were never alive.
---michael_e on 3/28/13\\

Like your denominational church, michael_e?

I know that denominational churches are always having revivals. But that's to admit being dead. You don't revive a healthy living body.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/28/13

\\Cluny, That's not the kind of death Joseph_ROY was referring to. Get serious.\\

And just how do you know what Joseph_ROY was asking, unless you are he?

Do you object to my answer because I quoted Scripture?

Or did you find that the spelling "Jesus" was wrong?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/27/13

There is only one Church, the Body of Christ, and it is very much alive. The denominational churches may be dying, some were never alive.
---michael_e on 3/28/13

Cluny, That's not the kind of death Joseph_ROY was referring to. Get serious.
Yes, Joseph, unfortunately, the Church has entered the Laodicean lukewarm Church Age. II PETER 2:1-3 is coming to pass in our very day. These days are a part of that great Falling Away, the Apostasy, mentioned in II THESSALONIANS 2:3. These are the days before the coming of the Anti-Christ. Followed by YAHUSHUA's Return to Earth to reign for 1,000 Years. Time to be strong in the Faith and in the EPHESIANS 6 Armour.
---Gordon on 3/27/13

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The Church is dying and Faith vanishing. How will you respond?
---Joseph_ROY on 3/27/13
Not a chance
False brethren are dying
Those who though Faith would lead to wealth are dying

but those whose faith are in Jesus to keep them till the day of his coming are strongerthan ever
---francis on 3/27/13

"But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived." (2 Timothy 3:13)

Yes, impostors will die.

But the real Christians are still growing . . . still going!!! (c:

"They went out from us, but they were not of us, for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us, but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us." (1 John 2:19)

And Paul says there were ones not approved, among the Corinthians > 1 Corinthians 11:19 > "For there must also be factions among you, that those who are approved may be recognized among you."

So, Christians can tell the difference.
---willie_c: on 3/27/13

I was discussing this very issue with a friend of mine. He stated that church's have a lifespan just like everything else. If you were to look for the churches mentioned in Rev chapters 2 and 3, you will see that all 7 of these churches have died out. Also if you look at how the churches have spread across the globe they have, for the most part, moved from east to west.

If the church you are at is dead, it might be time to move west young man!
---trey on 3/27/13

paul was speaking of born again dying to themselves. he taught that he himself had to die daily to his flesh. that just means he didn't do what his flesh wanted to do. He did what Christ told him to do. the church as I knew it is almost dead.
---shira4368 on 3/27/13

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Of COURSE the Church is dying.

St. Paul said to one church, "For you have died, and your lives are hidden with Christ in God." Col. 3:3.

He also said, "I die daily." 1 Cor 15:31.

Jesus asked, "When the Son of man comes, will He find faith on earth?" Luke 18:8 He obviously expected a negative answer.

So what else is new?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/27/13

By having faith is Jesus and the fact that he said "I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it". My I suggest you renew your faith in God's kingdom and expect God to do the impossible and he will.
---Scott1 on 3/27/13

Which church is dying?
---Love.wins on 3/27/13

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