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Can anyone imagine what would happen to this country if the Supreme Court rules that the Defense of Marriage Act is unconstitional?

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"How many of you Obamanites voted for him because of the color of his skin? That makes YOU racists! He and his AG Holder refused to prosecute Black Panthers for voter law violations. That's racist!"
---jerry6593 on 4/6/13



Jeery: You epitomise (embody), over-n-over, what a true racist is characteristically like. :)
---Leon on 4/6/13


Francis said: "The real racist are those who voted against him because of the colour of his skin".

Interesting to see that Francis does not include those "real racists" who voted for Obama BECAUSE OF the color of his skin.

This is typical of the liberal/Left. They deceive themselves believing their own lies, even to the point of racism and also the murder/abortion of babies.

Francis, your support for liberal/Left racism and murder is unbecoming for one who professes to be a Christian.

Again I suggest to you to reject your worldly support for corrupt politicians and trust in God instead.

---Haz27 on 4/6/13


francis, I have never been racist and I did not vote for Obama and I don't like him and he is ruining our country and our health care. I can't believe you would say such on christianet. you don't even know what you are talking about. there are many blacks that would make a good president but it ain't Obama.I have black friends who would be ashamed of you.
---shira4368 on 4/6/13


we know who voted for Obama and its the entitlement community. you even know that. there are many who need it but there are some who are lazy as heck.
---shira4368 on 4/6/13


jerry6593:

Do you honestly believe that Obama got elected because racists voted for him because of the color of his skin? Since a large majority of Americans are white, do you honestly believe that most white Americans SPECIFICALLY wanted a black president? (and I say MOST, because a majority of voters did choose him).


Jed:

The presidential oath of office includes defending the constitution. It does not mention defending specific laws. If the president honestly believes certain laws violate the constitution, he is upholding his oath by not enforcing them!
---StrongAxe on 4/6/13




The real racist are those who voted against him because of the colour of his skin, and the real racist are those who oppose his his healthcare plan.

THE SAME PLAN that ROMNEY had in place, is the same plan that Obama has the only difference is THE COLOUR OF HIS SKIN

Many of the things that he has proposed has been rejected by republicans, they are also the same things proposed by republicans in the past the only difference is the colour of his skin
---francis on 4/6/13


jerry6593 said: "How many of you Obamanites voted for him because of the color of his skin? That makes YOU racists!"

So TRUE.
It's obvious Obama got in on the racially prejudiced vote.

And the deceitful liberals/Left with the aid of PC liberal mainstream media have used their PC brand of racism for years to manipulate gullible voters.

The Left in Australia are just as corrupt.

The latest con from the Left here is to accuse conservatives of being misogynists. A deceitful, yet useful tactic to deflect media (and therefore public) attention away from the corruption within the Leftist government.
---Haz27 on 4/6/13


NurseRoberts, you even admit that Obama illegally instructed the Justice Department not to defend the Defense of Marriage Act. And you still support him? You will not be held blameless.
---Jed on 4/6/13


---jerry6593 on 4/6/13

between Obama and McCain it was no contest, McCain was the candidate of the past, the Reagan era, the bush war ara. Obama is the candidate of the future

Between Obama and Romney, well that was no contest, Romney proved not to be a man of conviction, but a right wing puppet

Reagan was a great choice for his time, but his time has long gone

In the word of Rodney Dangerfield the war is over, get new parts for your head
---francis on 4/6/13


Jed, you really don't know the difference between a judge and the attorney general??
---NurseRobert on 4/5/13




How many of you Obamanites voted for him because of the color of his skin? That makes YOU racists! He and his AG Holder refused to prosecute Black Panthers for voter law violations. That's racist!



---jerry6593 on 4/6/13


Really Nurse? Please explain the difference.

Not only is Obama violating the constitution and his oath of office by purposefully not enforcing federal laws, he then violates the constitution yet again by telling the Justice Department not to enforce the laws. Then he takes it even further by directly ordering military chaplains to directly disobey the law. Then he himself breaks the law by illegally extending benefits to same-sex partners of his administration.

As I pointed out, the constitution demands that the president enforce the law, whether he agrees with them or not. He does not have the authority to determine the constitutionality of laws, that is the Supreme Court's jurisdiction, not his.
---Jed on 4/5/13


... does Obama tell any judge not to uphold the law. He told the AG not to defend against it. There is a hugh difference. ---NurseRobert on 4/4/13


Hugh difference, really?

If some kills me, and there is a law stating 'murder is against the law', but the the AG REFUSES TO DEFEND that law.

Isn't that the same?
Why are we paying him a salary?
To the defend and uphold the law!
---Nikki on 4/5/13


Adam, Noah, Abraham, Israel, Us
Different Laws
Different People
Same God
---micha9344 on 4/5/13


Don't worry, If God can change his laws, then the USA can change definition of marriage.
---francis on 4/5/13


Jed you said: 'Then Obama specifically told judges not to uphold this law'

In nothing you posted... NOTHING... does Obama tell any judge not to uphold the law. He told the AG not to defend against it. There is a hugh difference.

At least try getting your facts straight.
---NurseRobert on 4/4/13


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jerry6593:

you said: Jed: And that's why we now have a communist dictator running our once great country, because of chronically uninformed people like some here being allowed to vote. What a shame.

Obama was elected (twice) in normal constitutionally-mandated elections, not appointed. His term will end in 2016. Dictators cannot be voted out office, nor do their terms expire.

In communist countries, people are forced to vote (we aren't), they have only one candidate (we don't). they are prohibited from practicing any religion (we aren't), etc.

Or do you think personal political bias excuses "thou shalt not bear false witness"?
---StrongAxe on 4/4/13


NurseRoberts, here are my sources:

July 2009 The Obama administration illegally extends federal benefits to same-sex partners of Foreign Service and Executive Branch employees, in direction violation of the federal Defense of Marriage Act. "Memorandum for the Heads of Executive Departments and Agencies," The White House, June 17, 2009.

February 2011 Obama directs the Justice Department to stop defending the federal Defense of Marriage Act. CBSNews, February 23, 2011, Brian Montopoli, "Obama administration will no longer defend DOMA"
---Jed on 4/4/13


//And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.

And olde Ellen herself got the worms as well, but based upon Christian doctrine, she probably now has to contend with those worms that never die.

Mr 9:48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

And such is the fate of those that trust in their works instead of in Jesus for their salvation.
---e.lee7537 on 4/4/13


Peter, you've never been told that because Obama never did that. Obama said, thru the AG, that section 3 of DOMA, as applied to legally married same-sex couples was unconstitutional and instructed the AG not to defend the statute in such cases. He NEVER specifically told judges not to uphold this law and I challenge Jed to prove it. This is another example of Jeds false statements.
---NurseRobert on 4/4/13


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Long before Man, even thought of making The Marriage Law, God had already made it, from the beginning of time! God has not gave the authority to any man to change it!! They have no Right!
---Ruby7969 on 4/4/13


Trav: Heeler?

Pray for the poser? I pray that he gets the same treatment as Herod.

Act 12:21-23 And upon a set day Herod, arrayed in royal apparel, sat upon his throne, and made an oration unto them. And the people gave a shout, saying, It is the voice of a god, and not of a man. And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.


---jerry6593 on 4/4/13


Peter, in July 2009, the Obama administration illegally extended federal benefits to same-sex partners of Foreign Service and Executive Branch employees, in direction violation of the federal Defense of Marriage Act. Then in February 2011, Obama directed the Justice Department to stop defending the federal Defense of Marriage Act. Then in September 2011, Obama ordered the Pentagon that military chaplains may perform same-sex marriages at military facilities in violation of the federal Defense of Marriage Act. Then in May 2012, Obama opposed legislation to protect the rights of conscience for military chaplains who do not wish to perform same-sex marriages, even though same-sex marriages are still illegal under DOMA.
---Jed on 4/3/13


Jed: And that's why we now have a communist dictator running our once great country, because of chronically uninformed people like some here being allowed to vote. What a shame.
---jerry6593 on 4/3/13

Hey Heeler. I'm shocked! That we agree on this.

Maybe there is a little man in you after all, trying to get out. Ha.
Pray for the Poser....that he is properly impeached and deported, back to where he was imported from.
---Trav on 4/3/13


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Jed: 'Then Obama specifically told judges not to uphold this law'

Did he also say that to the judges? I thought he only did not send any lawyers to defend the law to the Supreme Court

Both are unjust, but telling a judge not to enforce a law is also illegal, and there the president is violating the constitution, by taking the place of the legislative and judicial branch.

Did he ALSO tell the judges not to enforce it?

I had not been told that
---Peter on 4/3/13


StrongAxe, I agree with you in regards to government being way to big and there being too many laws to even enforce faithfully. However, This is not the case with The Defense of Marriage Act. It is not a difficult law to enforce. It was already being enforced perfectly fine. Then Obama specifically told judges not to uphold this law because he didn't agree with it. Every minister and judge were already enforcing that law previously. There's a big difference between not having the time and resources to faithfully enforce every law on the books, and specifically telling people not to enforce big laws that were already being enforced simply because he didn't agree with it.
---Jed on 4/3/13


Jed: And that's why we now have a communist dictator running our once great country, because of chronically uninformed people like some here being allowed to vote. What a shame.



---jerry6593 on 4/3/13


Jed:

You said: Yes, it does mean that he has violated his oath of office because the constitution requires the president to enforce federal laws. By picking and choosing which laws he will enforce, he has not upheld the constitution

There are so many laws in every jurisdiction that it is IMPOSSIBLE to enforce all of them. Law enforcement officials MUST NECESSARILY prioritize ones they consider more important (e.g. bank robbery over jaywalking), they have the discretion to do so. If anyone doesn't like it (for example, if they jail jaywalkers while ignoring bank robbers) they can sue , and let the courts decide.

If you don't like how Obama enforces laws, feel free to ask your senator to vote to have him impeached.
---StrongAxe on 4/2/13


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not enforcing a law does not mean the president has violated his oath of office. He swore to uphold the Constitution. He is free to challenge any law in court.
---Grandma on 4/2/13


Yes, it does mean that he has violated his oath of office because the constitution requires the president to enforce federal laws. By picking and choosing which laws he will enforce, he has not upheld the constitution, and therefore violated his oath of office, in addition to committing the crime. As you stated, he is free to challenge any law in court, and until he has done that and the Supreme Court has determined that law to be unconstitutional, he is required by the constitution to uphold and defend that law.
---Jed on 4/2/13


US Constitution
Article II
Section 1 ... Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." ...
Section 3 ...he [the President] shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed...
--It doesn't matter how he feels or what he thinks.
---micha9344 on 4/2/13


Jerry: Any citizen can challenge any law in court to see if that law is Constitutional. Also, not enforcing a law does not mean the president has violated his oath of office. He swore to uphold the Constitution. He is free to challenge any law in court.
---Grandma on 4/2/13


\\Cluny, if the Christians in the new testament all belonged to your Orthodox denomination, why didn't they mention it?\\

Jed, if you could discern spiritual things, you would know that "Orthodox" is an adjective we use so outsiders can find us. It's not our name.

Our name to ourselves is the Church of Christ, the Church of God, the Church of the First-Born and all the other names used in the Bible.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/2/13


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Cluny, if the Christians in the new testament all belonged to your Orthodox denomination, why didn't they mention it? And why is your worldly denomination filled with a bunch of worldly traditions and practices that are never found in the Bible or supported by scripture?
---Jed on 4/2/13


The president DOES NOT have the constitutional power to not enforce laws based on whether he thinks they are constitutional or not. He is not a judge. Only a judge can determine that. A president has to obey and enforce all the laws. If there is a question of constitutionality, that challenge is to be made in court, not dictated by a president.

Apparently, President Bill Clinton thought the Defense of Marriage Act was constitutional and good for America, as did an overwhelmingly huge majority Congress (both the House and Senate). Not that that matters just an interesting fact. Ultimately the constitutionality rides on SCOTUS. And until SCOTUS overturns DOMA, it is the law that not even the president has the authority to override.
---Jed on 4/2/13


Don't you think that YOUR church has most, if not all the light from God, e.lee?

If not, why do you attend it?

**They even add words not found in scripture to back up what they say ONLY THEY can SEE and understand.
---kathr4453 on 4/2/13**

Give a specific example of how the ORTHODOX church does this, kathr.

++God put everything in the bible that He wanted to put in it. you will never convince me otherwise. the apocrophy was written also but it didn't make it in the inspired Holy bible.++

Aside from the fact that the Apocrypha is part of the ORIGINAL KJV, how do you know what was supposed to be in the Bible to start with? Did a list fall down out of Heaven?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/2/13


Axey: "Obama has chosen not to enforce DOMA because he believes it is unconstitutional on it face"

He does not have that right! He is not a king. He is OUR employee, and is duty bound to do his job - enforce the law! He has violated his oath of office and should be removed from office.


---jerry6593 on 4/2/13


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They probably spoon-fed him that junk ever since he got napped into that "orthodox" denomination.

("Orthodox" can be substituted for many others as well.)

One obvious plain mark of a cultist is that they desperately want to believe they alone have the most if not all the light from God.
---e.lee7537 on 3/31/13

Yes Leej, that would be the marks of a cult. They even go as far as changing the meaning of words ONLY THEY say they understand.

They even add words not found in scripture to back up what they say ONLY THEY can SEE and understand.
---kathr4453 on 4/2/13


cluny, you aren't as clever as you think you are. God put everything in the bible that He wanted to put in it. you will never convince me otherwise. the apocrophy was written also but it didn't make it in the inspired Holy bible.
---shira4368 on 4/1/13


\\Cluny, you don't think it was YOUR wordly denominational church (Orthodox church) do you?\\

No, I don't think that, Jed.

i KNOW it was the Orthodox Church God used to decide what should be in the Bible.

Furthermore, the Orthodox Church is not a worldly denominational church, but is PRE-denominational.

I know you don't grasp this, but that's because spiritual things are spiritually discerned, something you obviously cannot do.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/1/13


You don't think the NT dropped down out of heaven already written, do you?

Who ELSE did God use to decide what should be in the NT out of all the many writings that came about?

You don't think it was YOUR worldly denominational church, do you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/31/13


Cluny, you don't think it was YOUR wordly denominational church (Orthodox church) do you?

The believers in the new testament were just that: BELIEVERS. They were not of the "orthodox" denomination that you are of.
---Jed on 4/1/13


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\\ God put the bible together. man had no say in what God put together.\\

shira, do you think the books of the NT were the ONLY Christian writings of the Apostles?

No, they were not. There is St. Paul's lost letter to the Laodiceans, which the Bible mentions. There is also the Epistle of Barnabas, which is still extant but never made it into the Bible.

And so it goes.

THIS is what I'm talking about. WHO were the people God used to decide what books should be in the NT?

**Wow, what a diluted comment!**

Jed, insults are much more effective if you spell them properly.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/1/13


//Wow, what a diluted comment! Where did you get this idea?

---
They probably spoon-fed him that junk ever since he got napped into that "orthodox" denomination.

One obvious plain mark of a cultist is that they desperately want to believe they alone have the most if not all the light from God.
---e.lee7537 on 3/31/13


cluny, I feel very bad for you. yes I do believe what my "SECT" teaches. God put the bible together. man had no say in what God put together. He used Godly men to pen the words but only God had a say so what was written. I hope you don't actually think your church was responsible for the bible.
---shira4368 on 3/31/13


\\Wow, what a diluted comment! Where did you get this idea?
---Jed on 3/31/13\\

How can you prove the opposite?

You don't think the NT dropped down out of heaven already written, do you?

Who ELSE did God use to decide what should be in the NT out of all the many writings that came about?

You don't think it was YOUR worldly denominational church, do you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/31/13


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Besides, it was the Orthodox church--not yours--that God used to decide what went into the Bible to start with.
---Cluny on 3/31/13


Wow, what a diluted comment! Where did you get this idea?
---Jed on 3/31/13


\\cluny show me in the bible where orthodox is the original church.\\

Show me where it isn't. You don't actually think that YOUR church is the church described in the Bible, do you?

Besides, it was the Orthodox church--not yours--that God used to decide what went into the Bible to start with.

\\ do you believe every single thing the orthodox teach? just wondering.
---shira4368 on 3/30/13\\

Yes, Don't you believe every single thing YOUR sect teaches? If not, why do you go there?

In any case, make sure that you don't confuse Orthodoxy with Roman Catholicism. 1stCliff clearly cannot tell the difference.

BTW, 1stCliff bishops and deacons are mentioned in the Bible.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/31/13


\\Did they chant?\\

Of course they did. You don't think they didn't, do you?

The Jews ALWAYS chanted prayers and scriptures in the time of Christ.

Traditional and Conservative Jews still do so. (I don't know about Reform or Reconstructionist.)

As far as images in the Synagogues, you've not familiar with ancient shuls, are you? Even the shul in Fiddler on the Roof had them.

If you're going to criticize Orthodoxy, make sure you know what you're talking about. You apparently don't. Don't point at RC practices when you DO talk about Orthodoxy.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/31/13


\\Did Jesus and His Apostles go parading in long robes carrying symbols on poles and Dagon (fish god) split hats?\\

Aside from the fact that Orthodox don't use this style of mitre--thus again, you show your ignorance of Orthodoxy--anyone who says the western mitre looks like a fish has seen neither a western mitre nor a fish up close.

And I'll bet the cassock my priest wears looks a whole lot more like the clothing of Jesus and the Apostles than the tailored 3 piece suit your preacher probably wears.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/31/13


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Cluny, **the Orthodox Church is the original Church that Jesus founded**
What are the similarities?
Did Jesus and His Apostles go parading in long robes carrying symbols on poles and Dagon (fish god) split hats?
Where the Synagogues ornamented with icons?
Where any of the disciples Bishops,Archbishops or Deacons?
Did they chant?
Orthodox is patterned after Roman Catholicism.
---1st_cliff on 3/30/13


---jerry6593 on 3/30/13
Maybe it is more like when Rome made Sunday the rest day for Christian and outlawed the Sabbath.

Did that change the hearts of God's people?
---francis on 3/30/13


"Catholic" as the opposite of "Christian".
I'm just showing how it sounds by using "Christian" as the opposite of "Protestant."
In any case the Orthodox Church is the original Church that Jesus founded.
Glory to Jesus Christ!---Cluny on 3/30/13

I disagree with your last statement, but I like the way you explained about people using Catholic as the opposite or 'other than' Christian.
As if they are saying Hindu, Muslims, or Jews.
Good example.
Thanks!

P.S. Come home
---Nikki on 3/30/13


cluny show me in the bible where orthodox is the original church. do you believe every single thing the orthodox teach? just wondering.
---shira4368 on 3/30/13


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Jerry: The president's oath of office is to protect and defend the U.S. Constitution. In the Constitution, it allows for laws to be challenged in court to determine if they're Constitutional. That's the balance of power.
---Grandma on 3/30/13


What you preach is obedience to law, not the fact that Christians are to walk by faith--e.lee7537 on 2/26/13

One common-sense rule "Love your neighbor as yourself" is sufficient, and covers all of these,---StrongAxe on 2/27/13

If you honestly think that following the Law is the mark of a true believer, then why not preach faith and then let the inevitable happen?-James_L on 3/15/13

You CAN'T mix grace and works,---Haz27 on 3/12/13

Are we now changing our minds and saying that the Supreme Court should uphold THE LETTER of Gods Law?

Are these people who wish to marry each other under Law or under grace,do they love their neighbor's as themselves, or are we mixing law/ works and grace?
---francis on 3/30/13


jerry6593:

Most jurisdictions have many more laws on the books than it's possible for them to reasonably enforce. They must choose which ones they consider more important, and are given the discretion to pick their priorities. Obama has chosen not to enforce DOMA because he believes it is unconstitutional on it face, and it is a waste of taxpayer money to spend time to enfore a law that will just subsequently get struck down anyway.

When was the last time you asked to have your mayor arrested because the local police didn't ticket everyone going 56 in a 55 zone, or arrest every jaywalker? Because the principle is exactly the same - only the details differ.
---StrongAxe on 3/30/13


Sorry Cluny, but Jesus didn't FOUND a Church, HE IS THE CHURCH.

And to my knowledge Jesus isn't Orthodox.

He's GOD.
---kathr4453 on 3/31/13


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kathr, people here are using "Catholic" as the opposite of "Christian".

I'm just showing how it sounds by using "Christian" as the opposite of "Protestant."

In any case the Orthodox Church is the original Church that Jesus founded.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/30/13


"Can anyone imagine what would happen to this country if the Supreme Court rules that the Defense of Marriage Act is unconstitional?"

Sure. About the same as when the SCOTUS ruled that Obamacare IS constitutional - DISASTER.

I want to know why BO is not in jail today for violating his oath of office by not enforcing the defense of Marriage Act, which is currently the law of the land.



---jerry6593 on 3/30/13


Cluny, the true definition of Christian is a disciple of Jesus Christ. And scripture is packed full of verses giving definition to "Disciple".

I yet to see the word "Orthodox " as one of those definitions.

The Lord KNOWS who are His, not you.
---kathr4453 on 3/30/13


Can anyone imagine what would happen to this country if the Supreme Court rules that the Defense of Marriage Act is unconstitional?
---e.lee7537 on 3/28/13

This changes nothing
There are already millions of American who do not live by the word of God, yet live by the American Constitution.

And there are already 1000's who live in same gender relationships

We will continue as we always have to bring the gospel to the lost

To call people out of every disobedience of the word of God and into a saving covenant with God

This may make it even easier to identify those in need of the saving grace of God
---francis on 3/30/13


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Cluny:

Unfortunately, by using the word "Christian" to mean just "a certain subset of those who believe in Jesus" and excluding most others, it gets into the whole "I'm right and you're wrong", or "my beliefs are right and everyone else's are wrong" or "I'm saved and you're not", or any number of other similar attitudes that are all too common here, coming from many different perspectives.

I don't like people telling me "You believe XYZ so you obviously aren't a Christian" (especially when XYZ isn't something Jesus ever mentioned), so I don't like to say the same to anyone else either.
---StrongAxe on 3/30/13


kathr, by "Christian" I mean Orthodox.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/29/13


shira4368:

You said: I will always obey the laws of the land unless they infringe on the Word of God.

Unfortunately, such a determination is usually subjective. Would you consider using tax monies to support idolatrous temples to infringe on the Word of God? Yet that's exactly what the Roman Caesar's did, yet Jesus exhorted one to "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" nonetheless.
---StrongAxe on 3/29/13


So Cluny are you saying a non-practicing Catholic is not a Christian?
---kathr4453 on 3/29/13


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Oddly enough, kathr, the SC justices are either Roman Catholics (most non-practicing) or Jews.

There are no Protestants, or Christians, among them.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/29/13


For pete sakes christan, get over it. Weather forcasters PREDICT, that is predict is a guess, a SWAG.

Prophets never took a SWAG at anything as God spoke through them. And no one here is speaking FOR GOD!
GEEEEEWIZZZZZ!

You seem to be wearing out scriptures that don't even apply. Seems to be a habit with you!
---kathr4453 on 3/29/13


"I am predicting that the Supreme COurt will uphold and strengthen marriage because Utah is in the union" francis

O wow! Have you been elevated to the office of a prophet that you can now "predict" what's to come?

Deuteronomy 18:20, "But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die."
---christan on 3/28/13


\\What constitutes marriage, according to God (ONE MAN WITH ONE WOMAN), will never change regardless of what government high courts says.
\\

Really?

Then why does the Bible talk about polygamy practiced among the patriarchs and prophets of the OT without any censure?

Even Hagar, with whom Abraham and Sarah had a surrogate maternity arrangement, is called Abraham's WIFE in Galatians. In fact, Galatians said that Abraham had TWO wives simultaneously.

Please explain.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/28/13


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Are any of the Supreme Court Judges Mormon?

It's really hard to know WHAT the Supreme Court will do anymore.

IS Obama Care "really "CONSTITUTIONAL?

Don't be too shaken if it doesn't go as you believe it would have 20 years ago.

Remember 2nd Timothy 3....
---kathr4453 on 3/29/13


I will always obey the laws of the land unless they infringe on the Word of God. when we speak of evil countries it isn't against the citizens but is against the lawmakers and money.
---shira4368 on 3/29/13


I am predicting that the Supreme COurt will uphold and strengthen marriage because Utah is in the union
---francis on 3/28/13


//That means that remarriage after divorce is sin, because Jesus, the Word of God Incarnate, called such unions adultery.//

vows in the marriage ceremony is sin also.

Mat 5:34 But I say to you, Do not take an oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God,
...Let what you say be simply 'Yes' or 'No', anything more than this comes from evil.

the state loves to build in sin.
---aka on 3/28/13


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Cluny //That means that remarriage after divorce is sin, because Jesus, the Word of God Incarnate, called such unions adultery.

The problem there is one cannot find any scripture that denies the right of divorced people to re-marry. The fact is that the church, even the Eastern church has always recognized re-marriage.

If you have a problem in this area, suggest "Marriage, Divorce & Remarriage in the Bble" by Dr. Jay E. Adams
---e.lee7537 on 3/28/13


\\Bottomline: Anything opposing God's word is SIN.\\

That means that remarriage after divorce is sin, because Jesus, the Word of God Incarnate, called such unions adultery.

Yet, it's allowed under the laws of every state in the union.

Therefore, our civil laws permit sin.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/28/13


What will happen? Things will go back to the way marriage has been traditionally handled - i.e. it is a matter for states, NOT federal government to meddle with. In fact, it has only even been a state matter recently. In centuries past, it was just dealt with by churches (and before that, it wasn't even a church matter - it was just a civil matter between the parties involved.

Note that nowhere in the Bible does it ever mention marriage ceremonies - and only occasionally marriage feasts (that recognize an already-existing marriage arrangement).
---StrongAxe on 3/28/13


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