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Authority To Forgive Sins

Do Priests, Pastors or Churches have the authority to forgive sins?

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Nikki, you say,

"MarkV, stop and look at Gen 3:15 again.
Seeds comes from men. Women don't have seeds. Seeds are sperms. But, the word seed is used for a woman because there is only one lady in the world who conceived a child without a man."
Wow, what a poor excuse you gave. Jesus Christ is of the Holy Spirit.
"...For that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit"
(Matt. 1:20). Or
"The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Most Hight shall overshadow thee, where for also the Holy Thing which is begotten shall be called the Son of God" It is the SEED which bruises the head of Satan, it is not the mother of the SEED. She was a sinner chosen by God.
---Mark_V on 4/16/13


Nondenominational
Not restricted to a particular religious denomination
Denomination
A group of religious congregations having its own organization and a distinctive faith
Both of these have to do with religion, don't they?
I have and want nothing from religion.

How many times have I heard you say "I'm Orthodox"
Please forgive me Cluny. But, so what!
Here, you get the gold star for that.

I don't believe in religion or religions or anything like that.
You can call it whatever you want!

There is only one name!
You are his buildings and churches.

As far as the churches in this world go.
See here all these buildings and things.
Not even one of them will be left standing!
Peace
---TheSeg on 4/16/13


Yes Nicci, trying to summons the dead is witchcraft, the very wirchcraft God punished Saul for and took away his kingship over Israel. Hopefully that part of scripture the RCC didn't purposely keep out of the Bible?????
---kathr4453 on 4/16/13


\\Nor can you say I am nondenominational, because I believe in all churches\\

There's no such thing as non-denominational.

All you're saying is that you're the denomination of yourself.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/16/13


Remember, it ISN'T the a TRADITION FOR THE RCC.
Nikki, who else?
But laity as myself keep the tradition going!

What would you have done?
If they told you, take your crucifix, bury it upside down in the dirt?
Not so funny now, right!

But a statue of St Joseph is OK!
For laying aside the commandment of God(Exo_20:4), ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do!

Just one more thing!
If you could just show me there it says you can pray to anyone, other than God!
That would be helpful.

Funny-thing you're told to pray for them, not to them,1Th_5:25,2Th_3:1,Heb_13:18!

Exo_20:3!
Peace
---TheSeg on 4/16/13




nikki, I am not a protestant, I am Baptist. we pray to God in the name of Jesus, amen. you are playing with the fire and we are warned against that. I would be happy if you would give your heart to Christ and be born again. you would see things in a whole new light.
---shira4368 on 4/15/13


Nikki there's something you should know about me.
I mean if you want to try to get under my skin, you can't.
I am neither Protestant, nor Catholic, nor any other denomination.
Nor can you say I am nondenominational, because I believe in all churches.

/But, you all ask other living beings to pray for you./
Who told you that? I have never asked you or anyone to pray for me.
Neither do I pray for myself.

Unless you believe praying for myself is believing the Son of God, Christ!
You may believe you can pray to the Saints for help. That's really up to you.
Christ never told me to pray to anyone other than God. I don't!


God bless you Shira4368!
Good work
Peace
---TheSeg on 4/16/13


Nikki, praying to the dead is witchcraft. Where do you think these souls in heaven are? Answering phones on some prayer hotline?//

NO witchcraft Kathr, you made that up. No witches in heaven. God has to give the prayer request to the saint in heaven. Saints are not all power while in heaven. God is in charge.

//Mary does not have seed, however she herself is the seed of the line of Judah.---kathr4453

Gen 3:15 speaks of Mary's seed crushing satan's head.
Who is the seed of Mary? JESUS

Women don't have seed which mean sperms. We have eggs.
Seed is used because it is planted in the ground and a plant grow out of the dirt.

God use the word seed with Mary as the only women who conceived without a man.
---Nikki on 4/16/13


Nikki, your answer to (Gen. 3:15) is pretty rediculous, The Seed of the Women bruise the head of satan. In your attempt to support the RCC and not the Truth, you reject the Truth to your own destruction. Then you suggest that we don't like to hear that almost all of you worship saints in the name of Jesus. No one mentions Jesus when praying to saints. They worship idols and you know it. They kneel down to them, light candles for them, make promise to them, they punish themselves for them. Mary was a sinner, just like all of us. A sinner cannot save another sinner. She would turn on her grave if she knew what your church was doing.
---Mark_V. on 4/16/13


Protestant love to get upset when Catholics pray to Saints to asked Jesus to help them. But, you all ask other living beings to pray for you.
You don't even know their state of soul!!!
At least, we Catholics know the Saints are in Heaven with Jesus.
---Nikki on 4/15/13

Nikki, praying to the dead is witchcraft. Where do you think these souls in heaven are? Answering phones on some prayer hotline?

Mary was the seed of David, literally, from the tribe of Judah, and that is why the Genealogies are in fact traced back through the line of Judah. "Her seed" the "her" here is Israel, the woman, wife of The Lord.

Mary does not have seed, however she herself is the seed of the line of Judah.
---kathr4453 on 4/15/13




"And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, "and between your seed and her SEED" He (Jesus) shall bruise your head and you shall bruise His heel" (Gen. 3:15). Mary...because I know you are not blind.---Mark_V.

No I am not blind.
MarkV, stop and look at Gen 3:15 again.
Seeds comes from men. Women don't have seeds. Seeds are sperms.
But, the word seed is used for a woman because there is only one lady in the world who conceived a child without a man.
WHO WAS THAT WOMAN? MARY, THE MOTHER OF JESUS.
So, as you wrote. It is saying Jesus will bruise his head.

Mary was SAVED BY JESUS. HE IS HER SAVIOR, But remember, the Angel Gabriel had to get Mary permission first. Mary said YES.
---Nikki on 4/15/13


Nikki, you told someone to do this? Bury a statue, in the ground, to help you sell a house!
Not just ask in pray like Christ say!
Wow! Bury a statue, Tradition!
Sorry! But, nuts I say, just nuts! Peace---TheSeg on 4/15/13

Remember, it ISN'T the a TRADITION FOR THE RCC.
Of course you can pray to Jesus. All prayers go to Jesus.

But, you CAN'T TELL me no one ever asked you to pray for them!
Why didn't you tell me to pray to Jesus themselves???

Protestant love to get upset when Catholics pray to Saints to asked Jesus to help them. But, you all ask other living beings to pray for you.
You don't even know their state of soul!!!
At least, we Catholics know the Saints are in Heaven with Jesus.
---Nikki on 4/15/13


1Cliff, only God can forgive sins of individuals and the sins are forgiven. Anyone can forgive the sins of others, but that does mean the others sins are forgiven by God. God has to forgive them. We only have One High Priest, not many.
---Mark_V. on 4/15/13


The seg she did tell me to bury it upside down. I thought it was funny too. Of course I didn't do such a thing. I depend God for things in my life.
---Shira4368 on 4/15/13


Wow Shira4368, I know some people who told me they burred a statue of St Joseph.
But upside down in the front of the house, I just start laughing.

They had to drop the price before they sold it.
Some catholic! What a firm belief in God!
I thought they were crazy!
Nikki, you told someone to do this?

Bury a statue, in the ground, to help you sell a house!
Not just ask in pray like Christ say!

Mat_21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
This is what I told them to do.

Wow! Bury a statue, Tradition!
Sorry! But, nuts I say, just nuts!
Peace
---TheSeg on 4/15/13


Nikki, you refuse the Truth because your stuck in your unbelief when you say,
"God himself said she will crush satan's head. Delivering us from our enemies (demons) isn't saying she replace Jesus."
God never said any such things. You proof you believe a lie promoted by the RCC, that Mary crush satan's head. When it was the SEED of the woman who crush the head of satan.
"And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, "and between your seed and her SEED" He (Jesus) shall bruise your head and you shall bruise His heel" (Gen. 3:15). Mary herself needed a Savior, how could she deliever anyone from demons or sins?
Now don't tell me you do not see that? because I know you are not blind.
---Mark_V. on 4/15/13


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Nikki, Paul using father, was never asking anyone to call him father. His reference to father is found in 1st John , where John uses "child" "young man" , "father", in terms of maturity, understanding, and spiritual growth. In that respect Paul certainly was a father, who God personally showed things he said was unlawful to utter, but things he also did utter, concerning salvation, the CROSS, and what the High calling of the church was. He personally suffered, for that reason, and states this in Ephesians 3 13-21. Note verse 13.

He is saying be followers of him, THE WAY he follows Christ, that is, in suffering, to be brought to maturity RE a father, in bringing others to Christ and leading by example.
---kathr4453 on 4/15/13


A catholic friend of mine told me if I would bury a statue of st Joseph I would sell my home the first week.--Shira4368 on 4/14/13

I have heard that as well. I never sold a house, but I did tell a person who couldn't sell her house about st Joseph.
I also heard about putting a statue of St Martin de Porres in the kitchen if you are having mice problems.
Many traditions NOT APPROVED OR ADVISED BY THE RCC.
But laity as myself keep the tradition going.
---Nikki on 4/14/13


MarkV, just because someone tells me I am a boy, I don't believe it. I am a girl. If you wish to believe otherwise, what can I do. God and I both knows better. Likewise, we know I am not a idol worshiper.

As for Ubi primum, by Pius IX. Read it again and tell me where does it replaces Jesus with Mary? The angel Gabriel called her full of grace. We do believe her glory is higher than an angel, none of them carried Jesus. God himself said she will crush satan's head. Delivering us from our enemies (demons) isn't saying she replace Jesus.

Tell me what do you think James is saying in James 5:19-20?
He isn't calling them Jesus because they saved their soul from death and cancelled a multitude of sins.
Or do you think otherwise?
---Nikki on 4/14/13


..He made this clear when He said call NO ONE Father but your Father in heaven---kathr4453 on 4/14/13

I agree with everything you said. But, your last statement I think you misunderstood Jesus. Because if you are right, someone needs to tell Paul.
1 Cor 4:15
"Even if you should have countless guides to Christ, yet you do not have many fathers, for I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel."

Jesus even used the word father in Luke 16:24 and he cried out, "Father Abraham, have pity on me...."

John 8:56 "Abraham your father rejoiced to see my day, he saw it and was glad."

You were saying??
---Nikki on 4/14/13


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A catholic friend of mine told me if I would bury a statue of st Joseph I would sell my home the first week. I told her I didn't believe that. I did sell my home but st Joseph didn't have anything to do with it.
---Shira4368 on 4/14/13


Lets see! Ive been given authority to forgive.
Mind you, I was not ordered by God to forgive!
But given authority to forgive, right!

So if I dont want to forgive someone, I dont have to, right.
Because, I have the authority and the one in authority can decide that he will do!

Mar_11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

Sounds like the only authority you have is over yourself. Mat_16:19!
To be forgiven or not to be forgiven, but you decide!

1Co_15:24... when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
Peace
---TheSeg on 4/14/13


Nikki 2: to argue for criminals in the body of Christ you say:
"But, Jesus did picked 2 men of His followers who be trades Him. Did Jesus make a mistake?"
Jesus is God. First, Jesus never said RCC members are the bride of Christ. You don't understand about the body of Christ because you believe because a member in the RCC is water baptized he is a part of the body of Christ. A person needs to be born of the Spirit. The RCC and every visible church out there is filled with unrighteous people, meaning they are lost, dead in trespasses and sins. They need to be born of the Spirit. Those spiritually baptized into the body of Christ are righteous people. No unrighteous or ungodly people are in the body of Christ.
---Mark_V. on 4/14/13


Nikki, I left the RCC because of their Idol worship. You refuse to admit it. Every RCC member I know worship idols. Most everyone has shrines in their homes of saints. My mom had a shrine, San Martin de Porras. The RCC from the beginning replaced Christ. Added Mary as a Savior.
"The resplendent glory of her merits, far exceeding all the choirs of angels, elevates her to the very steps of the throne of God. Her foot has crushed the head of Satan. Set up between Christ and his Church, Mary, ever lovable and full of grace, always has delivered the Christian people from their greatest calamities and from the snares and assaults of all their enemies, ever rescuing them from ruin"
Ubi primum, 2 February 1849 by Pius IX.
---Mark_V. on 4/14/13


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Nikki, I know Protestant means to protest Catholicism, and that word came about during the reformation. But even before that there were what is called Christians, (not Protestants),
who have always believed that the true Church is the actual mystical Body of Christ, being baptized into His Death and raised up together with Him a New Creature, where Christ is head of THAT BODY, His own Body, who believe in the individual priesthood of each believer.

Because Jesus Himself is our High Priest, or mediator between God and man and He alone is that office, it is blasphemy to place anyone in any position equal to or even imitating Christ. He made this clear when He said call NO ONE Father but your Father in heaven.
---kathr4453 on 4/14/13


2, MarkV, I don't understand how you left the RCC for the Church you are in now.
But, I believe you are a prayerful man, and prayed long and hard before leaving the RCC. I don't think the wrong Jesus spoke to you.
But, I do think YOU MISUNDERSTOOD Jesus.

That is the differences between Catholics and Protestants.
Protestants thinks Catholics are evil, false Christians, following satan, worshiping the pope.

Catholics think Protestants are misguided, mistaken, tricked, fooled, but most importantly SINCERE CHRISTIANS.
Catholics are more charitable towards non Catholics than Protestants are towards Catholics.
Which of the 2 groups are more like Christ?

Mark 9:40 "For whoever is not against us is for us."
---Nikki on 4/13/13


if Jesus told you the RCC is the body of Christ, the wrong Jesus was speaking to you. Nowhere are we taught a perticular denomination with many criminals is the bride of Christ.--Mark_V.

So you are saying Jesus wouldn't have a bride with many criminals aspects into her being?

But, Jesus did picked 2 men of His followers who be trades Him.
Does that shock you? Did Jesus make a mistake? And according to your logic, if Jesus made 2 mistakes out of 12 men he picked, He can't be God. He should have known the men.

I can't remember which Prophet, but God tells one of them to pick a awful bride, and don't divorce her. Because God won't divorce Israel

Israel has many criminals, but God still chose her. And your point is?
---Nikki on 4/13/13


Nikki, here you are adding to scripture again. You say,
" In that I questioned the RCC and Jesus quieted my soul letting me know She is His bride."
It could not be Jesus who quieted your soul, because the Bride of Christ consist only of those who are "spiritually baptized into One body in Christ." And they come from all corners of the world and from every nation. Only God knows who they are. yes, there will be some from the RCC, but some from everywhere else. The visible church is filled with wheat and tars. So if Jesus told you the RCC is the body of Christ, the wrong Jesus was speaking to you. Nowhere are we taught a perticular denomination with many criminals is the bride of Christ.

---Mark_V. on 4/13/13


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I'm sorry MarkV. When I stated I am Thomas, I meant his doubting nature. In that I questioned the RCC and Jesus quieted my soul letting me know She is His bride.

As far as the Holy Spirit, His Gifts are not the same for everyone. Jesus breathed on the Apostles to forgive sins in an authoritativeness manner.
---Nikki on 4/12/13


Nikki, it is not impossible for any true believer to learn who God is first. It is a matter of whether we want to know or not. You say,
"Not the same gifts Jesus breath on the disciples earlier.
As for Thomas, I meant Jesus could have still breath on him alone after breathing on the other disciples"

Here you are speculating that Thomas also received the Spirit breathed to the other Ten and he was not present at that time. If Jesus had breath the Spirit to Thomas also, why even mention he was not there? I just didn't want you to speculate something not there in order to give an answer. Only what Scripture says. Anything else is adding to Scripture.
---Mark_V. on 4/12/13


Another thing you have to consider is the words used of the Spirit, like coming, endwelling and upon. Once you understand this facts, then you can try to interpret the passages.---Mark_V. on 4/11/13

Impossible for me. He is God and I am not.
I am a simple person. I think with common sense and God shows me His Grace in these senses.

I can't twist the Scriptures to fit my religious views.

I twist my religious views to fit the Scriptures.

Do not think I NEVER questioned the RCC.

I AM THOMAS.
Jesus knows this about me and allowed me to touch His hands and side.
---Nikki on 4/12/13


Do Priests, Pastors or Churches have the authority to forgive sins?
---1st_cliff on 3/28/13

ANY AND EVERYBODY HAS THE AUTHORITY TO FORGIVE SINS

Luke 11:4 And forgive us our sins, for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us.

But only Jesus has the authority to FORGIVE US and CLEANSE us from our sins

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
---francis on 4/11/13


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Nikki, first, the Holy Spirit is not in one located place, He is everywhere. His Omnipresent for He is God. The biblical evidence suggest that the Holy Spirit ministered in similar ways throughout the Old and New Testaments, convicting people of sin, leading them to faith, guiding and empowering them, inspiring them to make verbal or written prophecies, giving them spiritual gifts, and regenerating and sanctifying them. Since He is God He has not gone anywhere. That is one fact you have to consider before you even make a judgment on the Holy Spirit and the passages. Another thing you have to consider is the words used of the Spirit, like coming, endwelling and upon. Once you understand this facts, then you can try to interpret the passages.
---Mark_V. on 4/11/13


Mark_V, Holy Spirit Jesus breathe on the disciples is the same Holy Spirit at Pentecost. But, Jesus gave a special gift of the Holy Spirit to them for forgiving sins or retaining sins.

Do you think Jesus forgot He was going to tell them to wait for the Holy Spirit on Pentecost? No.
The Holy Spirit on Pentecost was for the whole followers including women with different gifts to all.
Not the same gifts Jesus breath on the disciples earlier.
As for Thomas, I meant Jesus could have still breath on him alone after breathing on the other disciples.
---Nikki on 4/11/13


Nikki, you asked:
"MarkV, how do you know Jesus didn't breath on the Thomas?" In (John 20:24,25) we are told,
"Now Thomas, called the Twin, one of the twelve was not with them when Jesus came. The other diciples therefore said to him, "we have seen the Lord" Also, the Bible does not say that Jesus appeared to 11 disciples, only that He appeared to them with Thomas not present. That tells us the disciples present were ten at that time. Judas was gone by that time.

Then say,
"Also, the Apostle were able to lay hands on the other disciples that were going to be in the ministry." Yes they preached the gospel, but the Holy Spirit had not come to indwell them until Pentecost.
---Mark_V. on 4/10/13


Both the Anglican and the Protestant groups take it that while a priest can be seen, one can equally well pray alone, while it seems in the Catholic and Orthodox churches it is expected that one will (I think) go to the priest
Or have I got something wrong?
---Peter on 4/9/13

Yes, we pray alone all the time. There's the prayers of the Church and prayers of each person.

But if you are speaking about confession, one only has to confess mortal sins (deadly sins), not venial sins.
---Nikki on 4/9/13


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Nikki: Here there is a difference between the Catholic/Orthodox and the Anglican/Protestant more in the NEED to see a priest in this situation.

Both the Anglican and the Protestant groups take it that while a priest can be seen, one can equally well pray alone, while it seems in the Catholic and Orthodox churches it is expected that one will (I think) go to the priest

Or have I got something wrong?
---Peter on 4/9/13


MarkV, how do you know Jesus didn't breath on the Thomas?
He hadn't ascended to heaven yet.

Also, the Apostle were able to lay hands on the other disciples that were going to be in the ministry. The Holy Spirit gives multiple gifts.

You still didn't answer my question.
Why did they have to choose between 2 men Barsabbas, and Matthias in Acts 1:23-25?
Plus, why only between 2 people and not everyone?
---Nikki on 4/9/13


Nikki, I don't believe you got my answer correctly. (John 20:20-23) speaks of only the disciples present, and one of them was absent, that was Thomas. Jesus breath in them the Spirit. It was a temporary act since the disciples did not receive the endwelling of the Holy Spirit until Pentecost together with many others. The disciples did not breath the Spirit to anyone. All they did was present the gospel to others and acknowledge to those who believed they were saved, according to the Word of God. No one else received the Spirit from Jesus until the Day of Pentecost.
---MarkV. on 4/9/13


My last blog didn't post, so I re-submit it.

No one else receive this power from God until Pentecost,--Mark_V. on 4/7/13

John 20:22 And when He had said this, he breathed on the them and said to them, "Receive the holy Spirit."
Only one Holy Spirit. Pentecost was for the Masses, not just Jesus' Apostles

Acts 1:23-25 So they proposed two, Joseph called Barsabbas, who was also known as Justus, and Matthias. Then they prayed, "You, Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which one of these two you have chosen so take the place in this apostolic ministry from from which Judas turned away to go to his own place."

Why only 2 people, not everyone?
Note the words 'Apostolic ministry'. A select post.
---Nikki on 4/8/13


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MarkV, you are expanding and making excuses for what Jesus said directly and to the point. John 20:23

He didn't breathe on Mary Magdalene. He even told her to let Him go. Plus to go tell His disciples He has risen and coming to see them.

Did Jesus forget to breathe on Mary who He saw first? NO,
Jesus only gave the 11 Apostles the power to forgive or not forgive sins.
---Nikki on 4/8/13


// So, the 11 disciples He breathe on was for the other disciples as well that they would ordain later on//
Do you have scripture to back this statement or is it a presumption.---michael_e on 4/6/13

Judas killed himself, so only 11 disciple was left when Jesus rose from the dead and before his ascension.

ACTS 1:24-26 Then they prayed, "You, Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which one of these two you have chosen to take the place in this APOSTOLIC MINISTRY from which Judas turned away to go to his own place." Then they gave lots to them, and the lot fell upon Matthias, and he was counted with the eleven apostles.
---Nikki on 4/7/13


Nikki, here you said,
"Jesus knew they were not living forever. So, the 11 disciples He breathe on was for the other disciples as well that they would ordain later on."
It was only for those disciples. So that they could preach the gospel with power and the Holy Spirit. No one else receive this power from God until Pentecost, when the Holy Spirit begin endwelling all those who believed by faith. The beginning of the Apostolic Church. Second, the forgiveness of sins comes only by God whom they were preaching by the Holy Spirit. When Jesus said,
"if you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them:" Jesus did not say the disciples had the authority to forgive sins. Far from that: Cont.
---Mark_V. on 4/7/13


Nikki 2: continue. (John 20:23) says,
"If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them, if you retain the sins of any, they are retained" This verse does not give authority to Christians to forgive sins, Jesus was saying that the believer can boldly declare the certainty of a sinner's forgiveness by the Father because of the work of His Son, only if the sinner has repented and believed the gospel.
Example, If you witnessed to someone the gospel truth, and they repented right in front of you, you could say to them, your sins are forgiven, not because you forgave them, because you know the gospel Truth that God forgives the sins of the sinners when they repent.
---Mark_V. on 4/7/13


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// So, the 11 disciples He breathe on was for the other disciples as well that they would ordain later on//
Do you have scripture to back this statement or is it a presumption.
---michael_e on 4/6/13


//I guess you are calling the 11 disciples -Israel?//
Who do you think they represent? You don't actually think the 12 represent you do you.--michael_e on 4/6/13

Jesus knew they were not living forever. So, the 11 disciples He breathe on was for the other disciples as well that they would ordain later on.
I think you are confused about the matter.
---nikki on 4/6/13


//I guess you are calling the 11 disciples -Israel?//
Who do you think they represent?
Matt 19:28"..ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
You don't actually think the 12 represent you do you.
'
---michael_e on 4/6/13


Nikki, you say,
"He spoke of not abolishing the Law. In the sense (as I see it) of not getting rid of the Law but making it perfect as you have written.
So that tells me Jesus isn't saying to totally forget the Law. Or disregard how the Jewish people practice in worshiping my Father."

Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of the Law. The believer in Christ is not under the written letter of the Law, but under the Spirit of the Law, because Christ fulfilled the law for us. To those without faith in Christ, the written letter of the law is alive. They sin once, they've broken them all. That's why they are under condemnation, because the written law is very much alive to them. To the believer, there is now no condemnation.
---Mark_V. on 4/6/13


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//John 20:22-23 And when He had said this, He breathed on the them//
Always try to remember who is talking and who he is talking to. Don't try to take what was given to Israel and claim it as your own.---michael_e on 4/5/13

I guess you are calling the 11 disciples -Israel?
If not, please explain.
If so, you should remember Jesus didn't breath on the High Priest or the others.

Only the Jews who were starting His Church following His instructions.
---Nikki on 4/5/13


//John 20:22-23 And when He had said this, He breathed on the them//

Always try to remember who is talking and who he is talking to.
Don't try to take what was given to Israel and claim it as your own.
---michael_e on 4/5/13


Only one has the power to forgive, the One who shed His blood, not a pope, priest, preacher or rabbi etc ---michael_e on 4/5/13

Oddly you use the same word Jesus used. Except Jesus goes one step further than you. He gives power to refuse to forgive sin.

John 20:22-23 And when He had said this, He breathed on the them and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. Whose sins you FORGIVE are FORGIVEN them, and whose sis you retain are retained."

How do you explain that one?
Try not to use the same word Jesus uses when trying to change His words.
---Nikki on 4/5/13


...Christ was indicating that He is the fulfillment of the law in all it's aspects...--Mark_V. on 4/5/13

And I agree with your statement. But, you didn't completely answered the question. You left out the 1st part of Jesus' Words.

He spoke of not abolishing the Law. In the sense (as I see it) of not getting rid of the Law but making it perfect as you have written.
So that tells me Jesus isn't saying to totally forget the Law.
Or disregard how the Jewish people practice in worshiping my Father.
---Nikki on 4/5/13


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Only one has the power to fogive, the One who shed His blood, not a pope, priest, preacher or rabbi etc

Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his bloo d, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace,
Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
---michael_e on 4/5/13


The word "men" is the word "Anthropose" which refers to "man" a generic name in distinction from gods or God.
---Mark_V. on 4/5/13

Mark,

So Jesus is generic ? Really!

Why not use the word 'Man' like 1 Tim 2:5 does " For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,"
BTW does the word men in this scriptue the same thing as in Matthewe:)
---Ruben on 4/5/13


Ruben, you wrote the passage down and you still did not understand it. (Matt. 9:2-8) shows us that Jesus in His humanity (a man) not only forgave the sins of the Paralytic but also healed him. And what did the multitudes do? They marveled. Why? because they had just witnessed a man with such power as to heal and forgive sins. And what did they do? They glorified God because He had given such power to Jesus who to them was just a man, not God so they said, "who had given such power to men" God had given Jesus that power. The word "men" is the word "Anthropose" which refers to "man" a generic name in distinction from gods or God.
---Mark_V. on 4/5/13


Nikki, you also asked me what (Matt. 5:17) is referring to.

"Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets, I did not come to destroy but to fulfill."

This speaks of fulfillment in the same sense that prophecy is fulfilled. Christ was indicating that He is the fulfillment of the law in all it's aspects. He fulfilled the moral law by keeping it perfectly. He fulfilled the ceremonial law by being the embodiment of everything the law's types and symbols pointed to. And He fulfilled the judicial law by personifying God's perfect justice (Matt. 12:18,20) That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet.
---Mark_V. on 4/5/13


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Mark * I would like your opinion, what do you think Jesus is saying when He spoke in Matt 5:17?
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill."
---Nikki on 4/4/13

And also Mark who was Jesus
speaking about in Mt 9:2-8:

""Take heart, my son, your sins are forgiven." And behold, some of the scribes said to themselves, "This man is blaspheming.".. But that you may know that the Son of man has authority on earth to forgive sins"...When the crowds saw it, they were afraid, and they glorified God, who had given such authorithy to MEN who had given such authority to men."
---Ruben on 4/4/13


MarkV, Ruben is correct. V20 speaks about the Priest's duties. Jesus isn't trying to confuse anyone. He was always correcting the 12 whenever they miss understood Him.

The Law points to Christ. Only those rules modified by Christ such as diet is changed and those things the Church modifies in His Name (Keys given to Peter).

Jesus hasn't changed. He is the same God that created the earth and gave the Law to Moses.

I would like your opinion, what do you think Jesus is saying when He spoke in Matt 5:17?
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill."
---Nikki on 4/4/13


Ruben, I kept reading (Lev. 14:19-29 and Numbers 6:11) and those laws were for the people of Israel who were under the Law. It was symbolic of the sacrifice that was to come. The Sacrifice came already, Jesus died on the Cross. You missed that. He is our sacrifice, we do not have to kill one bird and free the other for a sacrifice or have a priest make atonement for us, Christ is the Atonement. In (John 8:4) Jesus had not died yet, the Jews were and still are under the Law, since they do not believe the Savior has come yet. You Ruben are still under the Law, trying to keep the law to get you into heaven. Christ has come Ruben.
---Mark_V. on 4/4/13


Nikki, the passage in (Matt. 8:4) when Jesus cleansed the Leper, He did not tell him to confess to the priests his sins, Here is what He said,
"And Jesus said to him, 'see that you tell no one, but go your way, show yourself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them" the gift the leper was to offer that Moses commanded was a sacrifice of two birds, one of which was killed and the other set free (Lev. 14:4-7) as a testimony to the them (priests).
---Mark_V. on 4/3/13

Mark,

keep reading:

"The priest shall offer the sin offering, to make atonement for him who is to be cleansed from his uncleanness." v 20
---Ruben on 4/3/13


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Nikki, the passage in (Matt. 8:4) when Jesus cleansed the Leper, He did not tell him to confess to the priests his sins, Here is what He said,
"And Jesus said to him, 'see that you tell no one, but go your way, show yourself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them" the gift the leper was to offer that Moses commanded was a sacrifice of two birds, one of which was killed and the other set free (Lev. 14:4-7) as a testimony to the them (priests).
---Mark_V. on 4/3/13


Do Priests, Pastors or Churches have the authority to forgive sins?
---1st_cliff on 3/28/13
Not in the manner in which Jesus cane. Jesus offered his blood for our sins, he took our sin on him.

What we can do is make things right / reconcile with each other
Matthew 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee, Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way, first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

Matthew 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

Matthew 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
---francis on 3/31/13


TELL NO MAN
SHOW THE PRIEST - show him what? The leprosy was healed.
Why add to Gods Word ignoring His warning? Proverbs 30:6--Follower_of_Christ on 3/31/13

So, stop adding to God's Words.

'Go thy way' and 'go to the' is the same thing.
Jesus is telling him to see the Priest.

A Priest is a man. So either you are saying Jesus is confused, or you are playing with words.

You and I both KNOW, Jesus is telling him to GO IMMEDIATELY to the Priest and only tell the Priest.

No comment on John 20:21-23?

Stop trying to make the Scripture fit your own religion, and follow the true Christ.
---Nikki on 3/31/13


After healing the Leper, Jesus told him to go to the priest and follow Moses' command. Matt 8:1-4


YES Jesus was enough he already healed the man!

"go to the priest!!"? No Holy Scripture states "go thy way"


Matthew 8:3-4
And Jesus put forth his hand, and touched him, saying, I will, be thou clean. And immediately his leprosy was cleansed. And Jesus saith unto him, See thou tell no man, but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, ..."

NOTICE:

TELL NO MAN

SHOW THE PRIEST - show him what? The leprosy was healed.

Why add to Gods Word ignoring His warning? Proverbs 30:6
---Follower_of_Christ on 3/31/13


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Did Christ tell Peter to go to the priest or bishop to "confess" your sins? It's not even Scriptural.---christan on 3/28/13

So, what Bible are you reading?
How do you explain John 20:21-23?
Jesus didn't give them the power to read minds. So how can they forgive or not forgive sins if a person doesn't confess the sin to them?

After healing the Leper, Jesus told him to go to the priest and follow Moses' command. Matt 8:1-4
Why? Wasn't Jesus enough?
Just obey Jesus!
---Nikki on 3/30/13


Cliff, my belief is that not only are we able to forgive the sins of another person but that we are told that we should do that. However, this is not referring to any sin or any person - it refers to sins committed against us by another person if that person is repentant.

I cannot forgive sins that anyone has committed against anyone other me. Some people believe they deserve forgiveness just because the bible speaks of it yet they are totally unrepentent.
a. Repent of sin, b. ask for forgiveness of the person we have sinned against and c. the rest is up the offended who is given grace to forgive.
---Rita_H on 3/29/13


Doctrinally, Catholic priests and Lutheran pastors can forgive sin. The Pharisees thought was that only God could forgive sin, so they were upset when Jesus said "Your sins are forgiven." Jesus gave authority to his disciples to forgive sins, so pastors and priests assume this authority to forgive sins doctrinally speaking. Of course Jesus taught us if we do not forgive others, neither will we be forgiven and those who love little will be forgiven little and there are sins that won't be forgiven.
---bike on 3/29/13


God in union with us (1 Corinthians 6:17, Galatians 2:20, Philippians 2:13) makes us able to join with Him in forgiving. And we all are told to so share with Jesus on the cross > Ephesians 4:32 > "And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you." "And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma." (Ephesians 5:2)

So, forgive sweetly (c: Forgiving includes being kind and "tenderhearted" with one another. We all are commanded to forgive, "even as God". God in us shares this with us, in His love > "as He is, so are we in this world." (in 1 John 4:17)
---willie_c: on 3/29/13


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On the account and testimony of the Bible, "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one", it's explicit that no one is exempted.

The question then is: has God forgiven your sins to begin with? And if you believe He has, it then becomes your Christian duty to forgive others who has trespass against you. Jesus taught:

"Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven."

Did Christ tell Peter to go to the priest or bishop to "confess" your sins? It's not even Scriptural.
---christan on 3/28/13


It's my impression that Catholics go to "confession" and the priest grants them absolution (forgiveness)
Some say only God forgives sin!
What say you?
---1st_cliff on 3/28/13


Of course not, although many think they do.
---michael_e on 3/28/13


Perhaps I didn't understand the question Cliff. Would you please elaborate on what you mean? Thanks! :)
---Leon on 3/28/13


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Jesus says, I would say to all of us . . . "'And whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him, that your Father in heaven may also forgive you your trespasses.'" (Mark 11:25)

So, we pray forgiveness to others, I would say. Forgiving is not only pardoning but getting someone blessed with love so we are family together with our Father. So, yes we all can minister this.
---willie_c: on 3/28/13


NONE OF THE ABOVE!
---Leon on 3/28/13


Yes everyone can forgive because God forgave us we can forgive others. The Lord's prayer "forgive our debtors as we forgive those against us"
---Scott1 on 3/28/13


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