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One God-Worlds/ions

Hebs 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Rom 1:20-21
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse:

Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful, but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Jn1:1-14,3:16,1Tim 1:17,Rev17:14,Rev19:16
---char on 4/6/13


christan on 4/6/13
You posted TWO times
None of your post adressed the question:

If there is no such thing as free will, why then does Jesus not get his way with Jerusalem?

Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and YE WOULD NOT!

Matthew 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate

Do you understand the question?

The will of Jesus here is clearly stated: " to gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings,"

He does not get his will, why?
---francis on 4/6/13


char, it is good to hear your song despite all this voluminous and continuous bickering and screaming.

Blessings to you.
---aka on 4/7/13


francis, you still do not understand. You see if people on their own free will could come to Christ, God would save them. But they cannot come because they are not willing to Come, why? Because they are slaves to sin. They are unable to hear the Spirits words of salvation that Jesus spoke. They need to be born of God to have any spiritual understanding. They need a new heart in order to perceive. They need spiritual eyes to see and spiritual ears to hear.
Jesus said,
"I Am the vine, you are the branches, He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit, "for without Me you can do nothing" (John 15:5).
---Mark_V. on 4/7/13


"He does not do his will, why? It is because of the people's free Matthew 23:37... and ye would not!" francis

Because of their "free-will"? Well, not if The Gospel of John has anything to say that will contradict your "free-will" theology.

"Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me." John 6:29,37,38

So, do tell where in Jesus teachings that He says it's because of the "man's free-will" that they are saved? NADA!
---christan on 4/6/13




francis, how do you and your cohorts come up with verses such as Matthew 23:37,38 to justify that there's such a thing as "free-will"? The verses you quote neither teach nor advocate of such a thing.

If you believe that you have gone to Jesus outside of "His Father drawing you to Him" and also because "that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.", then one must conclude according to Paul, you preach another Jesus and another gospel.

"For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him."
---christan on 4/6/13


//---aka on 3/28/13//
God Bless, good to see you brother.

Thought based on Scripture:

Nothing--stopped His plan of Salvation God had set in "Order of Arrangement" from the foundation of the world...

His Plan: The Death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ

Jn3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Jn1:1-14,3:16,1Tim 1:17,Rev17:14,Rev19:16
---char on 4/6/13


---Mark_V. on 4/6/13
Are you saying that the reason why Jesus was not able to " gather them under his wing as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings," is because the people had free will?

I just want to be clear:
The will of Jesus here is to "gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings,"

He does not do his will, why?
It is because of the people's free Matthew 23:37... and ye would not!

Or something else?
---francis on 4/6/13


One God - Worlds/ions

Job 38:6-7
Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof,
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Col 1:16-17
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Jn1:1-14,3:16,1Tim 1:17,Rev17:14,Rev19:16
---char on 4/6/13


Acts 13:48
1.["And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord:]
2.[and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed."]

1. Whosoever believe...
["And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the Word of the Lord:]
---AND--
2. Ordained: "Set-up-Placed in Order"-Authority-[Beforehand]---To Those ordained/appointed/ordered to do His tasks
[...as many as were (ordained) to eternal life believed."]

*Understanding the kings/queens of the ethnos described/spoken of in the scripture

*God will intercede making corrections "When necessary" for His Plan of Salvation

Jn1:1-14,3:16,1Tim 1:17,Rev17:14,Rev19:16
---char on 4/6/13




Jn 3:16
1. [For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son]
*Set In Order:
King-line Seed of David ruler ship of [Kings]

*2Sam 7(all)
12 "And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom."
26 "And let thy name be magnified for ever, saying, the Lord of hosts is the God over Israel: and let the house of thy servant David be establish before thee."

*Gen 38 (all) confirms, Line of Jesse, and David ---Christ---will be born
*Not from a Canaanite family, but "The True Line of Judah"(King-line)

Jn1:1-14,3:16,1Tim 1:17,Rev17:14,Rev19:16
---char on 4/6/13


If you follow Jesus today you must follow Paul
1 Cor 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
---michael_e on 4/6/13


Death/Resurrection of Christ Fulfilled--
using the false teachings of the priests, scribes and Pharisees who forced themselves into the seat of Moses-those that wore the robes of the priests.

Matt 23:2 "Saying, "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:"
I Chron 2:55: "And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez [Jerusalem], the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab."

Matt 23:3 "All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do, but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not."

Jn1:1-14,3:16,1Tim 1:17,Rev17:14,Rev19:16
---char on 4/6/13


For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

When I was a young boy I once kill a pigeon, for no reason.
To this day I still remember how I felt after it.

Make me wonder how many people I would have stone to death.
Before I understood, what I was to understand from the law.

Thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee,
how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and YE WOULD NOT!

which are sent unto thee
Talk about speaking in foreign tongue.
Peace
---TheSeg on 4/6/13


francis, you gave a pasage but didn't misunderstood the passage, you gave,
"Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and YE WOULD NOT!" To indicate people have free will, but it says the opposite. It first says, that "I" Jesus would gather his chickens under His wing and yet did not because people were not willing to come to Him, that is why God has to draw them to Himself. On their own they will not come. They are doing the desires of their father the devil. The reason they killed the prophets and stoned them. They are slaves to sin.
---Mark_V. on 4/6/13


If there is no such thing as free will, why then does Jesus not get his way with Jerusalem?

Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and YE WOULD NOT!

Matthew 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate
---francis on 4/5/13


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"I'm so sorry that you don't understand the Truth. But, I will no longer cast pearls before those who only wish to trample over them. Ciao." Gordon

If you seriously think that your "free-will" theology is of "pearls" even after being shown with Scriptures that it doesn't even exist, I wonder even if you can discern between the truth and a lie.

How can "free-will" be truth as you say it is when Christ (who's God) declares so explicitly: "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."

How? You run away like Adam did when confronted by God with the truth that he sinned instead of repenting.
---christan on 4/5/13


Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing, and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich, and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear, and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
---TheSeg on 4/5/13


Rom 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
---michael_e on 4/5/13


Christan, I'm so sorry that you don't understand the Truth. But, I will no longer cast pearls before those who only wish to trample over them. Ciao.
---Gordon on 4/5/13


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Isa53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?

Mt16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Let all praise, honor and glory be to the one true and living God that reveals his only begotten Son to us! If you believe then thank God your heavenly Father!!!
---trey on 4/5/13


And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow, they toil not, neither do they spin: And yet I say unto you, that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?


And he said, who told thee that thou was naked?
Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou should not eat?


Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

Freely ye have received, freely give!
Peace
---TheSeg on 4/5/13


Share a thought or devotion based on Scripture. Have blessed day!
---aka on 4/4/13


Gordon, what a hypocrite you are.

You say "ALL Power and Control and Authority is of GOD." God's creations will testify to that, it's a given.

Your nonsense starts: "For, the unborn and infants go to Heaven when they die." Scripture is silent on this and yet you "add-on" to the Word.

"Everbody else must accept Salvation or they shall surely perish Forever." Accept? The account of Paul's conversation calls your testimony a blatant lie!

"Your foolish belief that GOD is a "Tyrant who creates people just for the sake of damning them" is HERESY." Did TheSeg, MarkV or myself called God a "tyrant"? That labelling comes from you!
---christan on 4/4/13


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" And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from doing them good, but I will put My fear in their hearts so that they will not depart from Me." (Jer. 32:38-40). Nothing there about sinners giving Him permission? How can you suggest such a thing? Where is your fear of God?
---Mark_V. on 4/4/13

Mark,

God wiil do whatever he said he wiil do. But what did the poeple do:

"Because ye have burned incense, and because ye have sinned against the Lord, and have not obeyed the voice of the Lord, nor walked in his law, nor in his statutes, nor in his testimonies, therefore this evil is happened unto you, as at this day." (Jer 44:23)
---Ruben on 4/4/13


People say God does not force anyone.
All I see is God forcing everyone.

No one has ever picked God first.
You love God because God love you first!

Here's the lie. God comes to you first, this is clear!
After you feel the love of God in you. You start the lie.
A monument ago you didn't even know God.
Now you stand there telling people, I pick God first.

The power of God's love will bend your will.
To the point of forcing it broken!
God's will and man cannot share the same one body.

So, as a potter vessel it will be broken.
His will be done!

If you don't agree with what I've said, that ok.
I still love you!
Peace
---TheSeg on 4/4/13


Mark V, DEUTERONOMY 30:15-20. GOD sets before man Life and Death, Good and Evil and HE commands us to choose Life or we shall perish. In Verse 16 HE commands us to love and do good so we can live. In Verses 17-18, HE says "But, IF..."("IF" is a preposition that denotes that we have a choice!)"...IF thine heart turn away...ye shall surely perish..." That "turn away" means one CAN turn away from GOD and start to do evil, Mark v. This is how GOD is with Good and Evil, Salvation and Damnation. HE presents the Choice before us. HE sets the Rules, if we obey we shall reap Life. If we sin and disobey, we shall reap Death and Damnation, according to GOD'S Rules. HE sets the Boundries. That's HIS Control, Mark V.
---Gordon on 4/4/13


TheSeq, Mark V, and Christan, ALL Power and Control and Authority is of GOD. HE is the ONE Who created Life. We are born in sinful humanity, and once a person reaches the age of accountablity, that is, WHEN they truly know Right from Wrong, then GOD begins to hold them accountable between Right and Wrong. This is when the Offer of Salvation comes into play. For, the unborn and infants go to Heaven when they die. Everbody else must accept Salvation or they shall surely perish Forever. GOD is the ONE Who makes the Rules about the Choice between Life and Death. If we reject HIS Salvation we shall be Damned for Eternity. Your foolish belief that GOD is a "Tyrant who creates people just for the sake of damning them" is HERESY. Good luck.
---Gordon on 4/4/13


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Gordon, you said,

"All of that HE does for us and through us "if we want HIM to."

Where in that passage are we told we control the actions of God? Or that the sinner has to give Him permission? He said,
"They shall be My people, and I will be their God. Then I will give them one heart and one way, that they may fear Me forever, for the good of them and their children after them. And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from doing them good, but I will put My fear in their hearts so that they will not depart from Me." (Jer. 32:38-40). Nothing there about sinners giving Him permission? How can you suggest such a thing? Where is your fear of God?
---Mark_V. on 4/4/13


"I said for GOD to leave mankind with a Choice is Fairness on GOD's part." Gordon

It's not even Scriptural to what you have just said above. Instead Paul contradicts your very idea of what you think God should be and how He should behave. Typical of a fool talking.

"Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?"

Paul's account here doesn't even come close to the god you have in that heart of yours.
---christan on 4/3/13


Gordon, you think you have to explain what you believe to me?
You don't think I know?

//He offers everyone the Choice between Life or Death, Good or Evil, Salvation and Damnation.//
This is the kind of thing, I'm talking about. You saying God is giving you a choice!
There is no choice!

You are already dead, evil and damn! You think God is offering these things?
He came here to save you from these things.

Gordon if you want to believe you can pick God.
Then how is it, you even know of God?

Rom_10:20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not, I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
Peace
---TheSeg on 4/3/13


Did anyone ask Lazarus while he was dead if he wanted raised?
Did anyone ask the dry bones if they wanted raised?
But I bet they were sure happy to have God be so merciful as to choose them out of the thousands of other dead to raise!!
Glory be to God through our Lord Jesus Christ!!
---micha9344 on 4/3/13


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TheSeq, I said for GOD to leave mankind with a Choice is Fairness on GOD's part. He offers everyone the Choice between Life or Death, Good or Evil, Salvation and Damnation. We choose and GOD gives us what we ask. YES, GOD does give when WE ask, See LUKE 11:13 and MATTHEW 7:7. If we do what is right before GOD, by the Guidance and Power of HIS Holy Spirit, for HIS Glory, we reap Life, and GOD's Blessings. If we choose to do evil and play in sin, we shall reap Death and GOD's Judgment. For GOD cannot be mocked. We reap whatever WE sow, GALATIANS 6:7. It doesn't just say "ONLY what GOD sows", Seq. That Verse says what WE, as human beings, as mankind, sow. That means we have a choice.
---Gordon on 4/3/13


//To accuse GOD of deliberately creating people just for the sake of Damning them for all Eternity in Torments IS accusing HIM of Tyranny.//
Then doon't accuse him!


//But, to know that GOD leaves people with a Choice is perfect Fairness.//
And you're right again, Gordon!
God giving you a choice sounds perfectly fair to you.
And that's why you believe you have to choose.
Because you want God to be perfectly fair!
See, I don't! Rom_8:28!

//I know this goes against the false version of Predestination, but try again anyway.//
Yea, it does, just like it does the truth.
Rom_9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

God said, I AM! Got that?
Just! I AM!
Peace
---TheSeg on 4/3/13


Mark you say
//He died for those who are now saved,//
How many were saved when He died?
---michael_e on 4/3/13


So MarkV are you here suggesting those who are not the elect are categorized with demons...that is, faith was not offered to demons or the unelect. So, You believe that the unelect are in the same category as demons...right? Because Jesus didn't die for tehm as well as not dying for demons.

Got it. Any you have a problem with my making this point....because demons have no faith just like the unelect have no faith. Why does making this point BOTHER YOU SO MUCH? you said it! And are saying it again.

YOUR Father the Devil lies through YOUR TEETH MarkV.
---kathr4453 on 4/3/13


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Mark V, What I'm saying is that GOD woos people to HIMSELF, and HE offers them the ability to respond to HIM if they want to. Some people would rather hold onto their sin, and would rather do what THEY want to do and don't want to live with GOD "telling them what to do." These people will not accept GOD's Offer of Salvation, nor of the ability to love HIM in return, nor of the gift of Faith, nor of the ability to repent of sin and live righteously. But there ARE others who DO accept these things of GOD. I am telling you, Mark. GOD never once created any human being for the sole purpose of DAMNING them. That is what YOU are believing AND teaching here. You won't WORD it that way, but, that is exactly what you believe. And it's a LIE.
---Gordon on 4/3/13


Mark V, There is no contradiction in what I said. You just can't understand what I said because of the way you believe. When we're born, we have a bent towards sinning because of the Sin that entered into the human race through Adam, ROMANS 5:12. But, GOD offers all that is needed for us to turn away from that sin and to receive Salvation by Faith, if we want it. And, HE gives us the ability to love HIM in return, and to live for HIM in Righteousness, Truth and Love. All of that HE does for us and through us if we want HIM to. But, we have to be willing to give up our sin and receive it all. HE does not force HIMSELF on anyone.
---Gordon on 4/3/13


Gordon, God does not force anyone to love Him. Those lost do not love the Lord. They just don't want nothing to do with Him. Don't you understand that they do the desires of their father the devil? Don't you understand they do not seek after God? Don't you understand they have no spiritual understanding? And you and everyone else say they have the ability to love God, to give themselves spiritual understanding, and the ability to seek after God, which is nonesense.
God has to love you first, before you can love God. God has to give you a heart to perceive, eyes to see and ears to hear. He gives you the ability, something you never had, He does not force you. But you are so caught up in your free will, you reject the Truth.
---Mark_V. on 4/3/13


Michael e, very good passage you gave. Here it is:
"But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us"

God did demonstrate His love toward us who believe now, because while we were yet sinners Christ died for us.
He died for those who are now saved, whom He showed His love towards. He says,
"But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us (believers) even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ by grace you have been saved," (Eph. 2:4,5).
---Mark_V. on 4/3/13


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Gordon, now you contradict your own believes when you say,

"We're born in sin and are bent towards sinning. GOD has to work in lives to get them to the Truth."

What happen to your free will power you say you have? Now you admit it takes for God to work in our lives to get them to the Truth. If God does not work in your life, you will never believe. Good bye free will.
---Mark_V. on 4/3/13


"...what makes you think you are one of the called?" Jed

Am I the the issue with regards to the election of God? I was merely pointing out the erroneous understanding you and your "free-will" theology seem to have with what is spoken of by the Lord Jesus Christ.

"You misunderstand the expression "drawing unto". It does not mean "Forcing". That's how you interpret it." Gordon

Did I even say anywhere in my blogs that God is "forcing" the sinner? You assume what I am thinking. Only "free-willers" like you would think God is "forcing". I think it's such a wonderful act of grace and mercy to be drawn by God to His Son.
---christan on 4/2/13


That's right, TheSeq, help yourself to misinterpreting the meaning of wooing. It has nothing to do with slacking time. GOD says TODAY is the day of Salvation, II CORINTHIANS 6:2. Some people don't respond RIGHT AWAY to GOD. For some it does take time to win them. We're born in sin and are bent towards sinning. GOD has to work in lives to get them to the Truth. People are not mindless cattle that are "FORCED" into Salvation without a choice. To accuse GOD of deliberately creating people just for the sake of Damning them for all Eternity in Torments IS accusing HIM of Tyranny. But, to know that GOD leaves people with a Choice is perfect Fairness. I know this goes against the false version of Predestination, but try again anyway.
---Gordon on 4/2/13


That's right Gordon, God is not forcing anyone.

Exo 32:26 Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the LORD'S side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him.
Exo 32:27 And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.
Exo 32:28 And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men.

He's just "wooing" you!
Take your time!
---TheSeg on 4/2/13


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Christian, what makes you think you are one of the called?
---Jed on 4/2/13


Kathr, the passage in (John 20:29) is not speaking of spiritual eyes.
"Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed" This is talking about us who did not see Jesus in His ministry, and still believe. Talking about faith in someone who we never saw.

---Mark_V. on 4/2/13

Talking about the RESURRECTION of Jesus MarkV which the whole of the Gospel is based upon..Romans 10:9-10
---kathr4453 on 4/2/13


Christan, You misunderstand the expression "drawing unto". It does not mean "Forcing". That's how you interpret it. The word "draw unto" means to "woo" or "call unto". It's where GOD will do things, and work in the life of someone, to "woo" them unto HIM. GOD's Desire is that the person will receive HIS Holy "Advances", so-to-speak, and respond willingly to GOD. Many are called. but few are chosen MEANS GOD calls many but only a relatively few are willing to respond and be chosen. Relationships are ALWAYS, ALWAYS two-way. Or they die out. One can never be "forced" into a relationship. If it's "forced" than it's not a real heart-to-heart relationship.
---Gordon on 4/2/13


"ALL THAT THE FATHER GIVETH SHALL COME TO ME, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

NO MAN CAN COME TO ME, EXCEPT THE FATHER WHICH HATH SENT ME DRAW HIM: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Therefore said I unto you, THAT NO MAN CAN COME TO ME, EXCEPT IT BE GIVEN UNTO HIM OF MY FATHER.

And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and AS MANY AS WERE ORDAINED TO ETERNAL LIFE BELIEVED."


Does the sinner really have the "free-will" to go to Christ? Verses mentioned above explicitly contradicts the understanding of "free-willers" in the verses they show that they claim speaks of "free-will".
---christan on 4/2/13


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Kathr, the passage in (John 20:29) is not speaking of spiritual eyes.
"Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed" This is talking about us who did not see Jesus in His ministry, and still believe. Talking about faith in someone who we never saw.

Nana, the passage you gave in (John 10:37,38) does not say that by seeing Jesus do the works that He did, and that believed that the Father was in Him. In fact they didn't even believed that for the next passages says,
"Therefore they sought again to seize Him, but He escaped out of their hand"
---Mark_V. on 4/2/13


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Isaiah 48:8 "Yea, thou heardest not, yea, thou knewest not, yea, from that time that thine ear was not opened: for I knew that thou wouldest deal very treacherously, and wast called a transgressor from the womb."

Isaiah 48:18_19 "O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:
Thy seed also had been as the sand, and the offspring of thy bowels like the gravel thereof, his name should not have been cut off nor destroyed from before me."
---Nana on 4/2/13


Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us
---michael_e on 4/1/13


To the Jews wanting to stone Him (John 10:31_32), Jesus said:

John 10:37_38: "If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him."

Those words of Jesus are plain and clear.
---Nana on 4/1/13


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"Blessed are those who have not seen, and yet have believed" (John 20:29).
Praise and glory to our Risen Christ who is alive forever.
---Mark_V. on 4/1/

Perfect, therefore no one is given spiritual eyes to see before they are saved.
---kathr4453 on 4/1/13


Nana, where does it say or imply in Matthew 21:32 that Jesus was speaking about "free-will"? You imagine what's not even written or taught.

Jesus was talking in the temple to the people and His disciples in Matthew 21 about John the Baptist who was preaching and pointing out that even the publicans and harlots believed him. You think they did it by their "free-will", good try but you've failed miserably to justify your "free-will".

You see, in election, "free-will" is as dead as you in your sins and trespasses. The publicans and harlots mentioned by Christ are the elect of God which Paul taught in 1 Corinthians 1:26-31, about the kind of people God has chosen.
---christan on 3/31/13


When Thomas heard that Jesus had risen from the dead, and was now alive in the flesh, he doubted. He needed proof in order to believe, not just the words of others. When Jesus appeared to Thomas and other Jesus said to Thomas,
"Then He said to Thomas, "Reach your finger here, and look at My hands, and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing." This was Thomas who was present with the Lord, yet Jesus also said,
"Blessed are those who have not seen, and yet have believed" (John 20:29).
Praise and glory to our Risen Christ who is alive forever.
---Mark_V. on 4/1/13


"For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him."
Either believe or else see and believe>> "If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him."
---Nana on 3/31/13


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First you HEAR, then you Believe, then you are Justified, then you are sanctified, then we shall all be Glorified.
kathr4453

May I ask?
If a man has not heard does that mean he cannot be saved?
Or
Rom_9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

I guess what I'm really asking is, cannot God make anyone he wants stand.
Even if that man has not heard or seen, has God not this power?

Now let's be clear!
Im talking about a man who does not know or believe, in God.
Can God save him without his or your knowledge, has God not this power?
Or is he beyond hope.
Peace
---TheSeg on 3/30/13


Brother MarkV, there are many who do not understand Romans 10:17 and what it really implies. That's why they say things like, "First you HEAR, then you Believe" which makes no sense as far as the Gospel of Jesus Christ is concerned.

If one can believe after hearing the Word, it simply means that person receiving the Word is able to believe is because he has been given the gift of faith from God and not the other way round. As Paul explained in Romans 10, many have heard but do not believe and even today that's proven to be true.

So why can't they believe? Simple, the "gift of faith from God" is absent from them and not because they choose not to believe.
---christan on 3/30/13


Kathr, you are trying to pull all the strings to support your free will, freedom from God concept, and turn around and say "all things come from God". Two concepts, one against the other. Here you say,
"We are JUSTIFIED by Faith. That part you don't understand." I understand that point very well. We are Justified by Faith for the simple reason that faith comes from God. You either support man's free will if you think he has it, or support God's will's because His will will be done.
---Mark_V. on 3/31/13


Kathr, wrong again. You say I'm,
" trying to prove something not found in scripture..Election without Justification." I've never mentioned election without justification. Election means, God chose a perticular people for salvation before the foundation of the world. How can they be justified if they are not born yet? When the elect are born at some point in time, the Holy Spirit they will make them spiritually alive to Christ, and will be granted faith to believe
"For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in Him, but also suffer for His sake" (Phil. 1:29).
"So it depends not upon man's will or exertion, but upon God's mercy" (Rom.9:16).
---Mark_V. on 3/31/13


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Great answer Markv, faith comes by hearing, not before hearing then believing.

Everything comes from God, even water.

First you HEAR, then you Believe, then you are Justified, then you are sanctified, then we shall all be Glorified.

We are JUSTIFIED by Faith. That part you don't understand. You have taken all scripture referring to sanctification, that is after you are Justified, and are trying to prove something not found in scripture.....Election without Justification.

Sanctification scriptures ARE directed to those already saved. However the GOSPEL is directed to those who need salvation.
---kathr4453 on 3/30/13


Colossians 3:1-4
3 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
---kathr4453 on 3/30/13


"Since the faith comes from God, do we really need the Bible in any to believe?"

Since the Bible is the Word of God, we are told,
"So then Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God"
---Mark_V. on 3/30/13


Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
---francis on 3/30/13


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aka, not sure what you're asking.
---Love.wins on 3/30/13


Mat_7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

Luk_11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Joh_13:8 Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.

If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet, ye also ought to wash one another's feet.
For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.
Peace
---TheSeg on 3/29/13


Love.wins, we are grateful to God because he has given us the faith to believe in English and Greek.

Since the faith comes from God, do we really need the Bible in any to believe?
---aka on 3/29/13


Thats fine. 'Are dying' and 'die' both lead to the same state! :)
---Love.wins on 3/29/13


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"The sense of the .Greek in that particular phrase is 'are dying.'" Love.wins

Since the English translation of Scriptures is in serious error, that would make heaven a place only for those who read and write Greek, right? Thank you, but I'll stick with the "faith" that God has given me to believe in the English translation of His Word.
---christan on 3/29/13


The sense of the .Greek in that particular phrase is 'are dying.'
---Love.wins on 3/28/13


In Genesis chapter one, it says that after God made His living creatures, "He blessed them" > in Genesis 1:22 & 28. And now . . . after all that time since then, that evil has been attacking God's creatures, they are still going. I see this can show how important blessing is, how much blessing can do.

And Jesus says, "bless those who curse you," in Matthew 5:44, because He knows how blessing works. Plus Peter says, "not returning evil for evil or reviling for reviling, but on the contrary blessing, knowing that you were called to this, that you may inherit a blessing." (1 Peter 3:9)

With God, our blessing can have effect not only in this world, but into eternity.
---willie_c: on 3/29/13


Love.wins, correction to your quote from 1 Corinthians 15:22, most definitely Scripture does not say "in Adam all are dying", it declares:

"For as in Adam ALL DIE..." and the same writer also wrote in Romans 5:12, "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned."

Dying and dead does not have the same definition.
---christan on 3/28/13


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Mat_16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.


Most tend to think of Christianity as a defensive position. "We are under attack...."

A gate of a city was to keep invaders out.... a defensive position.

To be a disciple of Christ requires offensive fronts more than a defensive posture.
---aka on 3/28/13


Leviticus 9:23 And Moses and Aaron went into the tabernacle of the congregation, and came out, and blessed the people: and the glory of the LORD appeared unto all the people.

1 Kings 8:11 So that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud: for the glory of the LORD had filled the house of the LORD.

Acts 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
---francis on 3/28/13


Scripture taken out of original context becomes a pretext for false teaching it constitutes blasphemy.
---Blogger9211 on 3/28/13


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