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In Search Of Dan's Mother

In search of Dan's mother, Bilhah: What is written of her in the Bible and from other Bible-related sources?

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Like King Solomon said, "There's nothing new under the sun." (Ecc. 1:9)

Samson's father,Manoah, was a Danite. His mother is unnamed, but she worshiped & followed the God of Israel. Indications are (Judges 14) Samson's mother was also from Israelite tribal lineage of Dan. Maybe she was born into it OR, like Bilah, she married into it.

The name Samson means "man of the sun" (nickname: Sunny). He may not have been as dark-skinned as was portrayed in "The Bible" mini-series, but names in the Bible are clear indicators of a person's character qualities & physical traits (genetically determined characteristics).

Yes, Samson could've been a mulatto!
---Leon on 5/5/13


Pharoah didn't give Joe his daughter to wife.(G41:50-52) Bathsheba, of a free will, could've said no to King David. Can we really compare Mary, the highly favored SERVANT of God, with other women of the Bible? Mary was chosen by God, not by mere men!

Yes, women were the property of their husbands, fathers, etc. They were given in exchange of goods & services, & oftentimes for military alliances of families.

Regarding Bilhah's life, the fact that her sons lived & were blessed by Israel seems to reflect she pleased & SERVED the Lord.

I don't believe it's anyone's place to question the Lord's motives or authority in matters. I believe He is delighted when we seek after His understanding & knowledge.
---Leon on 4/14/13


Customs back then were different than today, women were the property of their husbands and fathers. Pharaoh gave Joseph his daughter to marry. Bathsheba couldn't say no to the King. Esther was sent with all the women in the region to be viewed as the next wife. Even Mary, overshadowed by the Holy Spirit wasn't asked first.

The real question, did Bilhah do all unto The Lord?

If it wasn't God's will, the babies would have died, just like David and Bathsheba's son died.

I hate that Tamar was raped by her half brother and spent the rest of her life under the roof of another brother never to marry.

There are many things we just don't understand. Maybe we just don't like either, so who are we to question God?
---kathr4453 on 4/9/13


When Eliezer went to get Rebekah for Isaac, he took riches with him, in silver, gold, and jewels, and when the contract was made, he gave to Rebekah, her mother, and her brothers gift.

David, in order to be Saul's son-in-law had to kill Goliath,and when this was done, he still couldn't marry Michal untill he had killed one hundred Philistines.

It appears to have been a custom that men gave dowries for their wives. We see no dowry offered for Rachael.

So to work in lieu of a dowry, or as David did, prove himself, is not slavery or indentured servitude, but custom. I probably happend more often than we know.
---kathr4453 on 4/9/13


Good points Micha. However, I don't believe indentured servants (IS) were/are held in servitude indefinitely, as in the case of Jacob. Also, they're treated with a modicum of dignity & respect. To make someone submit their body to be used as a surrogate mother isn't respectful. Yet, like Hagar, perhaps that gave Bilhah more status (a distinct advantage) in the household. Bilhah out lived Rachael & seems to have lived a fairly good life as a favored concubine (secondary wife).

Anyone who has or has had a job is currently or has been an IS & paid for our services every pay day. Yet, being an IS, for mutually agreed upon periods of time & being a slave for life are two different things.

Appreciate your comments. :)
---Leon on 4/9/13




Leon, I can see that Jacob agreed to be indentured for the promise of Laban's daughter. I also see that no choice was given to any of the females mentioned.
What I would like to suggest is that, even though Bilhah was not shown to be given a choice, she may have still been indentured by her parents or even by herself and the "contract" just handed down, just as many professional sports players today.
Either way, servant or slave, Bilhah seemed to have done whatever was asked or even commanded, of her.
---mich9344 on 4/9/13


Micha: Jacob was an indentured servant to his Uncle Laban after agreeing to work for the hand of Rachael. Though willing, Rachael had no say in the matter. The same was true of her sister Leah. Their father sold them for services rendered by Jacob.

After Jacob fulfilled the terms of Laban's tricky agreement he was compensated & "free" to go his way.

Bilhah, on the other hand, was the property of Laban. He gave her to his daughter Rachael to serve as her maid. Bilhah had no say in the matter. Because she was barren, Rachael gave Bilhah to Jacob to bear sons. Again, as property, Bilhah had no say in the matter.

Bottom line: Service is a two-edged sword that cuts both ways.
---Leon on 4/9/13


OK so we're all squared away here. Wondeful.

So we really didn't need to search for Bilhah's ancestors, or whether she was Black or not to agree here with Micha on this issue.

Praise God for that.

Yes Micha great post.
---kathr4453 on 4/8/13


Finally, some forward-thinking, positive, scripturally uplifting comments ~ thanks Micha! :)

Yes, God's ways are higher than ours & He works all things for the good (blessedness) of those (old & new testament people alike) who love Him & are called according to "His" purposes!!!

If we all would desire to be the "servants" God wants us to be, for His good purposes & pleasure, that would be awesome!

Again thx! :)
---Leon on 4/8/13


Bilhah was from one nationality or another with any one of a number of skin tones that God provides for each of his members of the one Human race.
She was a servant, maybe indentured, maybe otherwise, probalby not paid, but free room and board.
She was given (ownership?) by Laban to Rachel to serve her.
She was also given (?) by Rachel to Jacob as a wife, also a subserviant role as a help.
I believe Bilhah as many rewards in Heaven.
Mark 10:44 And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all.
---micha9344 on 4/8/13




Gordon, I know what you are saying, you are saying you belief in E.G. White. Another false prophet. You mentioned to me there is prophets out there, boy you sure hooked up with the big one. No wonder your stories are so far out. This story of Noah is getting bigger everyday. Now Mrs Noah had triplets. More speculations. When will all of it stop? I guess not anytime soon.
---Mark_V. on 4/3/13


markv, become a man and apologize to Gordon for falsely accusing him. Like always, you fly in on blogs and never read the conversation, assault with your Latino boots and spurs kicking SDA's in the face when i corrected you there. YOU never apologized. Leon again started the Noah having triplets issue.

Get off your phony soap box.
---kathr4453 on 4/8/13


Now if Markv wanted to put his two cents in, he would say, God is sovereign, and this was God's plan from before the foundation of the world, just how and through whom the 12 sons of Israel would be born.

But Markv, being inconsistent in his beliefs, walked away from the mirror and forgot what he believes.

Or maybe Markv really doesn't believe in his Sovereignty of God doctrine to begin with.

Oh, he only forgets when he has a chance to take a punch at me.

That's why I have no respect for you Markv.
---kathr4453 on 4/8/13


Kathr, you do a lot of talking, that is why you get in trouble with everyone. Instead of moving on, you like to pick fights with everyone. I don't pick fights, I speak for the glory of God, the reason many get mad at me. You say, Foaming in the mouth. Come on Kathr, do you not have any Scripture to help others? It's a new day in the Lord. I do love you, that does not mean I have to agree with you. I never said to throw her back at me so that I could trash her. Please stop adding mean words. You can leave Leon alone and answer to me. I am not going anywhere. If you want to trash my me, and my family as you have go for it. I speak for the Sovereignty of God, you speak for the glory of sinful man. But I can answer you with Scripture.
---Mark_V. on 4/8/13


Marks, love? Just saying the words mean nothing.

Jumping in here after you stated Leon works on speculation, and then backing up his speculation by saying, oh throw her my way so I can trash her too is what I call a hypocrite and shows duplicity.

Jesus encountered hypocrites and had nothing nice to say to them or about them. So be careful in believing you are one of the elect if your life doesn't measure up. It would be better for you to make sure YOU are in the faith and stop judging others if they are.

I spoke the truth in LOVE here to Leon, and I know in my heart I did.

Leon speaks speculation and then causes division with hate if you show him he is wrong. You encouraged that.
---kathr4453 on 4/7/13


MarkV, every time you do this , butt in when an opportunity arrises to jump in like a mad dog foaming at the mouth to take a bite , you remind me of Psalms 10, or rather The Lord reminds me of Psalms 10.

I would have had more respect for you if you had just answered the question and leave your personal opinions to yourself.
---kathr4453 on 4/7/13


Kathr, what you missed so many times, is whe I said I loved you too. but loving you is not enough, you are still mean as anything. Love has no meaning to you. For your information everyone in the world deserves death. Even you and me.
The miracle is that God saves many of those who do not deserve spiritual life. You should be glad if you are saved that you were chosen by God. Maybe you are not glad because He never did. I do not know your heart only God does. From my view of your fruits, I have seen very little good coming from you.
---Mark_V. on 4/7/13


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Leon is carrying on all because I showed on the Noah blog that Abraham and his brothers are all listed together and not triplets. He has more pride than Markie when shown he's wrong, and more verbally violent too.

Wow, most people humbly apologize for being wrong Leon, but you Leon have totally lost your mind here. And you say this is "Christ In you "behaving this way? And Markv is encouraging it? Well we know Markv doesn't KNOW what Christ in you means, because he said Christ really ISN'T in us, and the Holy Spirit really isn't in us either.

Markie, do you want me to post that statement again....or should we first wait for you to Deny it, and THEN I get to post it, showing ........you know!
---kathr4453 on 4/7/13


I have a neighbor who has a dog named Kato. She lives in his yard behind a chain link fence. Well, every time a vehicle drives down the street pass her fence, that crazy mutt dog goes ballistic, barking & running wildly from one side of the yard to the other. Now, I'm not going to tell you what kind or COLOR mutt she is because it really doesn't matter! But, she's one aggressive, mean-spirited canine that gets on every one's last nerve! The only thing that temporarily calms her down is when the neighbor gives her a chew stick.

So, chew on this Kat: I'm going to continue driving pass your fence now & then, as you bark your looney head off & "RACE" to & fro, & I'm going to ignore your wild antics. :)
---Leon on 4/6/13


She's all yours Markie! :D Perhaps if you can get her man to come down from off the roof (Proverbs 21:9) & deal with the shrew, you can then have some peace! My bad ~ she's the kind of quarrelsome female that doesn't want to nor can she be an asset (helper) to a real man! :)
---Leon on 4/6/13


The difference between MarkV and me, I don't lie and kiss up to people just to have the upper hand over others. Markv does, so when you two kiss up here or anywhere, we all know it's not out of conviction of heart issues, but a condition of the heart called lets both lather together. Those are the kind of friends you need to have here Leon, two faced friends like Markv, who will say anything, even lie about God , even rejecting his own beliefs, just to team up with someone here who hates as much as he does.

I remember a Calvinist preacher say that those in AFRICA in the 80's deserved to die of thirst because they were not the Elect.

I've detested Calvinism from that day forward.

Kiss Markv now Leon.
---kathr4453 on 4/6/13


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Leon, I see this totally opposite. YOU want to make this a black slave issue,. I've taken the opposite view. Noah cursed Canaan, not GOD, and no where will you find in scripture GOD cursed Canaan,therefore I do not believe all the false doctrine about a curse on Black people, and the excuse man thinks he had any rights to enslave black people. I even stated that the Queen of Shiba was black,and no one's slave.

You have a problem listening and have assumed, or rather want to project your racist ideas on others.

Racism works both ways Leon. You want to accuse non blacks of the injustices towards blacks. I live in the most prejudice part of the country.

So stop trying to preach what is NOT in scripture..that is RACISM.
---kathr4453 on 4/6/13


Leon, go ahead, throw her back at me. I really do not mind. When I answer her, God gives me more opportunities to bring the truth of the gospel out so that others can at least think, that is what you said you want others to do, think. You had enough already in such a short time. You didn't last long. One day she might answer kindly but not now. And you thought I was bad, when I still love you. Did you know that there is no race in the kingdom of God, we are all born of God.
---Mark_V. on 4/6/13


You're silly Kat! I'm tired of your tit for tat foolishness. Is it really possible for me, an African-American, to be blackofobia? :/ No my dear, that's your "racist" hang up! Face it & repent!

You're the church lady who has been insanely ranting & have tried to make this blog a BLACK issue. That was never my intent.

You've rudely squatted on my blog & have had the audacity to call me names, & in apparent desperation you played the "your mama" card! :D Yes, you're a very silly person who is afraid she may have, as you say, "black blood" (what is that?) running thru her veins.

Pleeze, get a grip or else go bug Markie or somebody else! No mas!!! :)
---Leon on 4/6/13


Okay Micha, but you can't deny they were either one nationality or another.

Kat: Your racist foolishness knows no ungodly bounds. By the way, there is but one race, THE HUMAN RACE. Repent! :)
---Leon on 4/6/13


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\I don't recall reading anywhere in Scripture where Hebrews had handmaids (concubines) that were idenfified as Hebrew. Do you?\-Leon on 4/5/13
I don't recall reading anywhere where any handmaid was a specific nationality except Hagar.
---micha9344 on 4/5/13


Listed second among the sons of Ham. (Ge 10:6) Mizraim was the progenitor of the Egyptian tribes (as well as some non-Egyptian tribes), and the name came to be synonymous with Egypt. (Ge 10:13, 14, 50:11) Thus, the word "Egypt" in English translations actually renders the Hebrew Mitsrayim (or Matsohr in a few cases, 2Ki 19:24, Isa 19:6, 37:25, Mic 7:12).

So Leon, God didn't turn Ham black ...and he didn't curse all 4 sons of Ham, but only Canaan.

The Egyptians are not the descendents of Canaan...your BLACK people, black race so you say.

Your the one who has blackofobia!
---kathr4453 on 4/5/13


"Eber or Heber- the region beyond. Hebrew-one from beyond
Eber's descendents were known as Hebrews."
---Micha9344 on 4/4/13


I don't recall reading anywhere in Scripture where Hebrews had handmaids (concubines) that were idenfified as Hebrew. Do you?
---Leon on 4/5/13


"She could have been as Hagar, who we know [WE DO?] was not black either..."
---kathr4453 on 4/4/13


REALLY!!! :D Hagar, the Egyptian, the African, the descendants of Ham? REALLY!!! :

Kat has a real fixation on being black. I think she's afraid she "most likely" may have "BLACK" roots.

"Leave Bilah out of it"? What! Is she an ancient "skeleton in the closet, black sheep" relative of Kat? Oh Lord, say it isn't so!!!

Well, I guess she'll have to look in the mirror & see... LOL
---Leon on 4/5/13


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One thing we can be sure of is during the time of Joshua, and the division of the land, Dan was last and given the smallest portion.

Yet we see in Ezekiel 48, the division of the land that will be given during the millennium. The order and portion given is altogether different.

Dan is given the first portion, and possibly the larger portion.

Jesus did say, the last shall be first, and the first shall be last in His Earthly Kingdom.

So, the obviously repented BIG TIME. YEA, what an awesome Lord we have Who forgives sin. Even Dan's sin.
---kathr4453 on 4/4/13


Eber or Heber- the region beyond
Hebrew-one from beyond
Eber's descendents were known as Hebrews.
---Micha9344 on 4/4/13


"Most likely" is not facts. She could have been as Hagar, who we know was not black either.

But Dan not being listed in Revelation has nothing to do with his mother, or bring so called black,otherwise the others not born to Rachael and Leah would not be listed either.

Genesis 49 clearly states from Jacob's mouth Dan is one of the tribes of Israel, along with the others not born from Rachael and Leah's womb.

Hagar was not a convert, but nothing about Bilhah worshiping other gods.

To God, if Bilhah worshiped Jacob's God, she was no different than Rahab.
---kathr4453 on 4/4/13


Please explain what you mean Micha. Thanks! :)
---Leon on 4/4/13


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\... He (Dan) was "half-Hebrew" ... Bilhah definitely was not a Hebrew ...Was she a descendant of Shem, Ham or Japhet? Most likely she descended from HAM, the ancestor of numerous black nations.\-Leon on 3/28/13
Gen 11:17 And Eber ... begat sons and daughters.
Gen 11:19 And Peleg ... begat sons and daughters.
Gen 11:21 And Reu ... begat sons and daughters.
Gen 11:23 And Serug ... begat sons and daughters.
Gen 11:25 And Nahor ... begat sons and daughters.
-Are you sure she was not a descendant of Eber?
---micha9344 on 4/4/13


Leon, grow up. It appears others do not want to get roped into your non-biblical search for non-truth and racism.

If you want to start a blog on SLAVES, do so, but leave Bilhah out of it.


It is obvious you really don't listen to what you don't want to hear anyway Leon, and that isn't just here on this blog. You've been accused many times of twisting scripture over your on speculation and prejuduces.
---kathr4453 on 4/4/13


12 Children of Israel(Jacob):
Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Issachar, Zebulun, Benjamin, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, and Joseph.
12 Tribes of the Inheritance:
Reuben, Simeon, Judah, Issachar, Zebulun, Benjamin, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Manasseh, and Ephraim.
-Joseph a double inheritance-Levi none.
12 Tribes sealed in the great tribulation:
Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Issachar, Zebulun, Benjamin, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Manasseh, and Joseph.
-Joseph covers Ephraim-No Dan
Is that not interesting Leon?
Ref. Gen 35:22-26, Exo 1:1-5,Num 18:20,34:18-29, Rev 7:4-8
---micha9344 on 4/4/13


"Leon, ARF, ARF ARF, ARF ARF, ARF, ARF ARF ARF..."
---kathr4453 on 4/3/13
---Leon on 4/4/13


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Leon, taking something GOD ordained, the 12 Tribes of Israel, and use your, oh poor me, I came from slavery, and that's why my Mama is on welfare, well, get over it.

Jacob and Esau were both twins from Rebecca, yet God said he hated Esau, AKA Edomites and said they would SERVE Jacob. But you will never see God saying he hated Ishmael's descendants or Any of Jacob's sons.

I don't know what you are trying to promote here, but God brought ALL 12 into this world to be the 12 tribes of Israel...not 8. Just as there were 12 Apostles. You are saying God was not in control here. That's where you need to tread carefully.

And those who are descendants of slaves need to get on and take responsibility for their lives they have today.
---kathr4453 on 4/3/13


Leon, have you ever read Genesis 16:7-15? I know this is concerning Hagar, but you insist on pushing the envelope here comparing the two, so stating this is why the world is in a mess. You honest believe that because Bilhah birthed sons to Jacob THEY are the cause of the problems of the world?

Fools rush in where Angels dare to tread.
---kathr4453 on 4/3/13


Regardless of Kat's noisy & overexcited critical responses (brouhaha), my focus is on Bilhah the "SERVANT" girl. Whether or not she was a descendant of Canaan, I'm not trying to prove or disprove! However, there is a connecting similarity in both of their situations. Canaan & Bilhah were in situations of involuntary servitude! Slavery?

Now, before the hell hound(s) starts barking again, I want to say there is absolutely nothing wrong with being a SERVANT. It's a thread that's woven throughout Scripture, from Gen. - Rev. Obviously, there are two sides to every coin, one up & the other down. That's the way it is with voluntary & involuntary servitude.
---Leon on 4/3/13


Canaan received the curse as a result of Ham's actions. BUT scripture is silent as to how many generations from Canaan the curse affected, only that it was directed at Canaan as a result of his father's indiscretion

Genesis 9:25 reads:

"And he said, Cursed be Ca'naan, a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren."

This curse, though pronounced on Ca'naan, was a Hamitic curse, aimed at Ham and specifically his son Canaan. The extent of this curse beyond Ham and Canaan is unknown.

Only God can curse from Generation to Generation, not man. Noah had no power within himself to curse anyone but Ham and Canaan.
---kathr4453 on 4/2/13


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As previously stated, if anyone wants to respectfully discuss the subject, as it relates to Canaan, Bilhah, Dan & Samson, I welcome your participation. Unbelievers here will do their best to destroy: bla bla bla>---Leon on 4/1/13


First PROVE Bihlah was from Canaan, Ham or any cursed people before you go on here Leon.

Rahab another ancestor of JESUS was a Canaanite.

Now you are saying all descendents including Jesus are cursed just because of blood line???.

Leon you are the one being disrespectful here, not to mention IGNORANT. Anyone who Joined themselves to Israel was not CURSED no matter where they came from.

Your the mentally ill/cursed and satanic one here, blaspheming TRUTH!
---kathr4453 on 4/1/13


So you assume God CURSED all Black people, Ham's sons descendents, in that that "curse" denied them salvation even to today? Are you NUTS!

Who's satanic now?

Are you a recist Leon? God BLESSED the Queen of Sheba, (that cursed people who came from Ham's son), as did Solomon. And Jesus spoke very highly of her.

Rather lets find scriptures where "Faith" over-rides skin color or ancestry!
---kathr4453 on 4/1/13


Kat: I think, at a minimum, you're mentally ill or are very likely demon possessed. The Lord rebuke you Satan! I won't be speaking to you any further.

If anyone here wants to have a respectful discussion on the subject, I welcome your participation. The devil wants us to think there are things in the Bible that God doesn't want us to know. Absurd!!! That's the same old bold face lie he told Eve! The devil wants all believers confused & bewitched by his demon possessed naysayers who say it's not for us to know. Again, that's a bold face lie!

When we seek to have a relationship with the Lord, by meditating on His word (the Bible), He takes us into the house & explains His truths of the matter. (Matt. 13:10-11)
---Leon on 4/1/13


Throughout Scripture God has provided key words to unlock the understanding of believers, persons who "have an ear to hear". Regarding this blog, the key word is "SERVANT". The first time this word appears in the Bible is in Gen. 9:25. Canaan (Ham's son) was cursed by his grandfather Noah because of Ham's disrespect towards Noah.

As previously stated, if anyone wants to respectfully discuss the subject, as it relates to Canaan, Bilhah, Dan & Samson, I welcome your participation. Unbelievers here will do their best to destroy: discredit (shout over), trash (throw a barrage of garbage verbiage) & crash (derail, misdirect) the blog to the extent no benefit will be gained by believers.
---Leon on 4/1/13


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If its scripture you haven't already read Leon, please read Genesis 49 where Jacob BLESSES all 12 of his Sons, and makes no distinction between any of them by bringing in their birth mothers.

And to BLAME the problems of the world on these descendants of Jacob through the handmaidens is Anti-Semitic to the core.

Did you just make that up OR did you hear some idiot say that, and you just repeated it?

The problems of this world is caused by SIN....whether BLACK SIN, JEW SIN, WHITE SIN, ASIAN SIN...whatever one's nationality is SIN fits all skin color and race.

Oh, what do you think about North Korea ? Is that caused by Bilhah's offspring too?
---kathr4453 on 4/1/13


And Leon, be careful HOW you interpret Genesis 49. Also remember these scriptures are PROPHETIC concerning the Last Days..still to come.

And no matter what you may say, this has nothing to do with YOU, but God and Israel in the last days.

So don't be a fool, like some here, but remember Zechariah 12, concerning those who stick their nose in God's business during this time, if it should happen in your lifetime.

Don't confuse HANG-UPS with FACT. And don't confuse the FACTS with YOUR OWN hang-ups.
---kathr4453 on 4/1/13


Jesus was hung up for our hang ups. Thank God He got up with all power in His hands. Happy Resurrection Day (Easter) Kat & Mark! :)
---Leon on 3/31/13


Leon, how can someone JUMP to conclusions when you have made your point here perfectly clear you consider Jacob's sons with the handmaiden equal to Ishmael .

Where did Jacob ever say, they shall not be heirs? Did Rebecca say that too, or Leah?

Comparing Isaac, the promised Child with Jacobs sons through Leah and Rebecca is not even scriptural. And no where does scripture make any such comparison.

And to say anyone who married outside of Israel is TROUBLE is ....well, Ruth a Moabite is one of Jesus Ancestors.
---kathr4453 on 3/31/13


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"Leon, what is not civilized about this conversation?..."
---kathr4453 on 3/29/13


Kat: Do you listen to yourself? You jump to conclusions before the other person can explain their position. You assume you know the motives of people before they can speak on given subjects. Because of your preconceived, built-in biases, you don't want to hear anything from others that goes against the grain of what you think & believe. You are having a conversation (actually ARGUMENT) with yourself, not me! That's WHAT! :)
---Leon on 3/30/13


Bilhah was a maid (more specifically a "SERVANT"). She actually was a slave girl ..

The Bible tells a similar story between Abraham & his wife Sarah's "servant", Hagar (the Egyptian). The impact of that union between master/ "servant" has had a profound historical impact on the nation Israel /yet significantly impacts the world we live in today.
---Leon on 3/29/13

Leon, are you suggesting the other sons of Jacob with the Handmaidens were not REALLY heirs of Jacob.

CHECK the division of the Promise Land and see if what you are saying is fact. And Revelation 21-22.

To compare these sons to Ishmael is so appalling, not to mention, not even scriptural. And anti_semitic.
---kathr4453 on 3/31/13


Kathr, wow, on this beautiful Sunday morning that has brought us rain, I was shocked, because without giving one passage and a lot of words, you understood what Leon was trying to do. "Speculate." Because he wants to make something out of nothing. This time, just your words made some sense.
Why don't you both kiss and make up so that both of you can bring more blessings to me?
---Mark_V. on 3/31/13


Leon, what is not civilized about this conversation? No one is yelling or calling names. But there seem to be things you have overlooked.

Why do you care about Dan's birth mother? Why not ask about Leah's handmaiden too then.

You were hoping someone would say she was Black. Because that is what you have been saying all along without any proof.

No one really knows Leon, scripture is silent on the subject.

Other sources say her father was captured and Laben redeemed him from his captors, therefore owing him a debt. So her father may have been a Hebrew, cousin, second cousin....
---kathr4453 on 3/29/13


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Kathr: I really was hoping we could have a civilized conversation. Silly me! :)
---Leon on 3/29/13


Leon, the only reason you posted this blog was a continuation from the other in reference to Samson being Black, and your last statement was concerning Bilhah for the reason why. I'm continuing on here too.

Ruth referred to herself when talking to Boaz as his handmaiden . We know she was not a slave, and was not Naomi's slave girl either, however she did serve Naomi out of LOVE.

Sometimes a debt needed to be paid off. Woman without a father or husband to take care of them offered themselves as servants, nurses, like Rebecca's nurse, Deborah.

So we need to be careful Leon, not to be racist here and assume Black people were slaves just because they were black. Not so. Black people were as free as anyone.
---kathr4453 on 3/29/13


The Bible gives many reasons for servitude, and not all mean slave in the way you mean. And No verse said Bilhah was anyone "SLAVE".

Hagar was a GIFT given to Sarah by the Pharoah of Egypt. We do not know WHY Bilhah was a Handmaden.

Mary called herself "The Handmaden of the Lord". Does that make her Black?

Samson very well could have had SOME black blood in him, only God knows for sure, however many very white looking people today have some Black blood in them too. But they sure don't look like the charactor who played Samsom who looked 100% black. And how many generations from Bilhah to Samson? Suggesting the whole tribe was African, including Jacob?
---kathr4453 on 3/29/13


Easy Kathr! Exhale! You're jumping to hasty conclusions as to why I posted this blog. Can we have a respectful dialogue instead of an accusation riddled argument? Let's try! What do you say? Thank you! :)
---Leon on 3/29/13


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Some suggest Bilah was the half sister of Rachael and Leah and that her mother was Labans concubine.

But that does not prove in any way Bilah's mother was Black Leon.

We knwo Tomas Jefferson had children with Sally Hemmings who was herself 1/2 black and 1/2 white. and her children with Thomas Jefferson were so white that they passed for white people and he gave them their feedom.

Lets remember Jacob himself was a servant of his father- in-law for 7 years...and was not black.

Being in servatude does not automatically make one black or Egyptian. AND scripture tells us Solomon had many JEWISH Concubines.
---kathr4453 on 3/29/13


Good insights Willie_C. Bilhah was a maid (more specifically a "SERVANT"). She actually was a slave girl who worked for her mistress (owner) Rachael. Because Rachael was barren, Bilhah was given to Jacob to have her babies. In those days, maids would birth children & hand them over because, according to the law & custom, children born in the household were considered property of the mistress.

The Bible tells a similar story between Abraham & his wife Sarah's "servant", Hagar (the Egyptian). The impact of that union between master & "servant" has had a profound historical impact on the nation Israel & yet significantly impacts the world we live in today.
---Leon on 3/29/13


Bilhah was Rachel's maid (Genesis 29:29). She was the mother of Dan and also Naphtali, two of the twelve patriarchs of the nation of Israel (Genesis 30:1-8). She was Jacob's "concubine", but at least once Reuben lay with her > Genesis 35:22. I have not found anything directly saying if she was alive to go with Jacob to Egypt while Joseph was in power over Egypt.

My concordance dictionary says "Bilhah" means "timid". Maybe she gave in to Reuben because she was timid, instead of refusing him.

Check out Abigail (1 Samuel 25) and Ruth (Ruth 1-4). I know a number of women who may be like Abigail was. So, I can see what she was like, by knowing actual Christian women (c:
---willie_c: on 3/29/13


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