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Should we ask God to take things from us like smoking or alcohol addicton ? A Pastor preached on this very thing one time. His response to this was, we should not have to ask God to take it away, rather we can do it because God gave us free will to do it ourselves.

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And yes, we will always have those who live on the wrong side of the cross.

I celebrate the risen Savior every day. And we will for all eternity. I bet in heaven, there will be no Dec 25 celebration of Jesus earthly birth.

Colossians 3: 1-4
---kathr4453 on 5/10/13


If this isn't a celebration, I don't know what is!
And not from men, but from heaven it's self.
If they can, I can! Merry Christmas, Nikki!--TheSeg on 5/9/13

While I was reading your reply, I swear I could hear the bells going off to the song 'Gloria'.

Gloria in EXCELSIS DEO!
Glory to God in the highest
---Nikki on 5/9/13


Yea Nikki where do you see Paul, Peter, James or John even mentioning celebrating Jesus Birthday?
But, what about Luke, we forgot Luke!

Let's-see:
Shepherds abiding in the field, no!
Keeping watch over their flock by night, no!
The angel of the Lord came upon them, the glory shone round about them, no!

Guess no one Celebrated Jesus's Birthday.
Oh, wait a minute! What's this?

And suddenly, there was with the angel!
A multitude of the heavenly host, praising God!
and saying Glory to God in the highest
and on earth peace
good will toward men!

If this isn't a celebration, I don't know what is!
And not from men, but from heaven it's self.
If they can, I can! Merry Christmas, Nikki!
---TheSeg on 5/9/13


Nikki: Kathr named the gods to you on 5/6/13. Scroll down to see that she already answered your question.
---Grandma on 5/8/13

Thank you
---Nikki on 5/9/13



The Birth of a Sun God - Dec 25
Paganism in Christianity

25th December was celebrated in ancient days
as the birthday of the unconquerable SUN gods,
variously know as Tammuz, Mithra, Saturn,
Adonis and BAAL, etc..

The RCC chose the date of December 25th
to be the birth of Christ - because it was already
the popular birthday of all the sun gods around
the world.

Actually more than 2...

Nikki, you know this because YOU first brought up the SUN....and why Dec 25 was chosen....now want to play blind? How do you expect anyone to take you serious when you are being dishonest here?

This goes back to BAAL worship...review Romans 11:1-5 please.
---kathr4453 on 5/9/13




kathr,I see your concern. Can I explain one feast Christmas. No one knows Jesus birth date.
So the Fathers of the Church realized December 25th is the day in which the light part of the day is loner than the dark part of the day. It no longer gets darker later. The Sun will rule most of the day.
---Nikki on 5/5/13

Nikki, the fathers DIDN'T just REALIZE, HUMMMMM, Dec 25 is longer, lets pick that day. NO, and you would have to be totally blind to believe such garbage. THEY KNEW EXACTLY why they picked Dec 25th.
---kathr4453 on 5/9/13


Nikki: Kathr named the gods to you on 5/6/13. Scroll down to see that she already answered your question.
---Grandma on 5/8/13


Nikki, the two gods are already stated here, but you 'll have to go back and read it.
No, I didn't make that up Nikki, this is known facts you can find even in the world book encyclopedia.---kathr4453 on 5/8/13

Not stupid. I'm not wasting time looking something that isn't there. If you know the pagan gods, you would have stated them instead of spinning your answer.

Just tell me the names of the pagan gods that it's pagan followers celebrate their birthday.

Why every time we asked for proof for your claims, you all refuse to give any?
---Nikki on 5/8/13


Nikki, the two gods are already stated here, but you 'll have to go back and read it.

No, I didn't make that up Nikki, this is known facts you can find even in the world book encyclopedia.

But since you are offended, my prayer you are not offended by the truth, but by the facts that this is a
Pagan holiday, and has been for thousandS of years.
---kathr4453 on 5/8/13


Celebrating Jesus Birthday was never practiced until the RCC got involved. Do you actually see Paul or Peter or James or John even mentioning celebrating Jesus Birthday? To celebrate a god's birthday was also pagan, and there were those who objected to Celebrating Jesus Birthday for that very reason.
I believe we celebrate every day and night as our life is now in the risen Christ---kathr4453 on 5/7/13

1. Which pagans celebrate a god's birthday???
You made that up as usual.

2. So, because the RCC decide to celebrate Jesus' birth we can't because Kathr said so???
Wish you were Pope?

3. We do have a celebration for Christ Rising called EASTER.
But you seem not to like us celebrating Easter either.
---Nikki on 5/7/13




Celebrating Jesus Birthday was never practiced until the RCC got involved. Do you actually see Paul or Peter or James or John even mentioning celebrating Jesus Birthday? To celebrate a god's birthday was also pagan, and there were those who objected to Celebrating Jesus Birthday for that very reason.

I believe we celebrate every day and night as our life is now in the risen Christ

Actually under Grace, and being Complete IN HIM, we don't keep days, or days associated with moons or new moons or suns, or even birthdays..Colossians 2.

Colossians 3... Seeking those things above and not below, no longer part of this old world system or days, moons, suns etc.
---kathr4453 on 5/7/13


such minor things we fuss about. it don't matter if it is july 25, march 25 or dec 25, I celebrate Jesus birthday. there are many more things that is more important like being born again.---shira4368 on 5/6/13

We are not short on time.
Why can't we discuss both?

You discuss what you wish and allow others the same.
---Nikki on 5/6/13


such minor things we fuss about. it don't matter if it is july 25, march 25 or dec 25, I celebrate Jesus birthday. there are many more things that is more important like being born again.
---shira4368 on 5/6/13


kathr, you still didn't answer me. What date if any would you keep to celebrate Jesus' birth?
If you wouldn't celebrate His birth then say so, but don't hide behind some righteous debate about Dec 25th.

Plus, GOD MADE THE WORLD, THE DAYS AND THE MONTHS.
Can He not have one day?
Oh no, just because one of His Creatures picked a date for a false god, it is off limits to God?
WHAT SENSE DOES THAT MAKE?

No pagan is going to hijack a day from Christians.
Pagans can celebrate whatever they want to celebrate on the 25th of December. I DON'T CARE!

Read Joshua 24:15 again.
They took over a pagan city and proclaimed to God. Why?
Allow me to use one of your language:
HELLO,
BECAUSE EVERYTHING BELONGS TO GOD!
---Nikki on 5/6/13


\\The choice of December 25, made perhaps as early as 273, reflects the pagan gods and the church's identification of God's son with the celestial sun.\\

I'm sure that you have come to this conclusion from your deep and exhaustive study of ancient Christian documents in Latin, Greek, and possibly Syriac, kathr.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/6/13


The choice of December 25, made perhaps as early as 273, reflects the pagan gods and the church's identification of God's son with the celestial sun. December 25 already hosted two other related festivals: natalis solis invicti (the Roman "birth of the unconquered sun"), and the birthday of Mithras, the Iranian "Sun of Righteousness" whose worship was popular with Roman soldiers. The winter solstice, another celebration of the sun, fell just a few days earlier. Seeing that pagans were already exalting deities with some parallels to the true deity, the RCC is pagan to the core disguising itself as the Church, when in fact it is counterfeit to the core.

Nikki, your reasoning to promote without shame is appauling.
---kathr4453 on 5/6/13


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Kathr4453, a full day has light and darkness.
Jesus Christ is the Light of the World.
Satan is the darkness of the World.

Before Jesus was born, the darkness was thick in the world. Finally, Jesus is born and We have hope and life through Him.

No one knows the day Jesus was born. But, we want to celebrate a day in His honor.
So the Fathers of the Church picked December 25th because Light surpassing darkness. Darkness isn't on top, Light is ahead.

Just exactly what Jesus'birth is going to do to satan and the evil spirit in the world. Jesus has OVERCOME the world.

Can you think of a better day to celebrate Jesus' birthday and why?
---Nikki on 5/6/13


Nikki, you say the RCC picked December 25 because the sun is shining more that day. This goes back to all this paganism and worshiping the sun. It doesn't matter that you all have tried camouflaging here, and hope it's acceptable. It is not.
---kathr4453 on 5/5/13


kathr,I see your concern. Can I explain one feast Christmas. No one knows Jesus birth date.
So the Fathers of the Church realized December 25th is the day in which the light part of the day is loner than the dark part of the day. It no longer gets darker later. The Sun will rule most of the day.

But, who is our True Light of the World? Jesus.
Who will truly conquer the darkness? Jesus.
To celebrate the birth of Jesus every year we picked the 25th. But one day isn't enough. So as Catholics. The next 7 days after the 25Th is still December 25th. the day is prolonged from 24 hours to 168 hours long.
We go to Church.
Most Catholics get their toys and gifts on 3Kings day Jan 6th or 7th, because that is when Jesus got his gifts.
---Nikki on 5/5/13


Nikki, all this and much more the RCC adopted was from paganism going back a long long time ago..to Nimrod I believe, and many of these Pagan rituals and traditions the RCC kept, dressed up a little to try to disguise it's pagan roots, and turned it into YOUR Christian??? holy days.

Everyone knows this Nikki. So don't shout at me. Modonna and Son, Christmas, and all this is from old pagan roots KEPT by Roman Pagans who put on funny robes and crowns and pretended to be the Church. Even Dianna was renamed Mary..the Eternal Virgin Goddess.

Please study your roots Nikki, and come out from among them and be not judged with them.
---kathr4453 on 5/4/13


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Kathr, Fat Tuesday, Strove Tuesday or anything before Ash Wednesday had NOTHING to do with the RCC. UNDERSTAND?

GO YELL AT THE SECULARISTS IF YOU DON'T LIKE FAT TUESDAY! Why are you upset with the RCC?

Yell at the Secularists for the easter bunny, santa clause, fairy god mother, and the fat baby angel with arrows on Feb 14th.

The RCC never started those holidays nor condone them.

We have a feast day for St. Nick or Nicolas a true person on Dec 7th.
The Secularist hijack St. Nick's name, moved it to Dec 25th and put on red clothes on him. Why? Because the Secularist don't believe in Jesus. They couldn't stop people from celebrating Christmas, so they hijack it to their beliefs.
PLEASE YELL AT THEM AND NOT US.
---Nikki on 5/3/13


\\Cluny, the word Carnival actually means Carnal or fleshly. \\

Wrong, kathr.

Look up the etymology in any dictionary.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/3/13


Cluny, the word Carnival actually means Carnal or fleshly.

The King Cake is an interesting one too. Hiding a baby plastic Jesus in the King Cake. And whoever gets the plastic Baby Jesus in their cake gets to make the King Cake for Next year. Yea!! Really???
---kathr4453 on 5/3/13


\\Kathr, Mardi gras is Fat Tuesday which isn't Ash Wednesday. DIFFERENT DAYS. I never heard of Shrove Tuesday.\\

I have heard the term "Shrove Tuesday" before, especially among Anglicans.

An English name for the Sunday before is "Collop Monday," when the last bits of meat were eaten.

The origin of the Shrove Tuesday Pancake Supper was to get rid of all the animal fats, drippings, and dairy before Ash Wednesday--hence "Mardi Gras" among Francophones. Even the word Carnival meant "Farewell to Meat" (Latin: Carne, Vale.)

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/3/13


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"The semla was originally eaten only on Shrove Tuesday, as the last festive food before Lent. However, with the arrival of the Protestant Reformation, the Swedes stopped observing a strict fasting for Lent. The semla in its bowl of warm milk became a traditional dessert every Tuesday between Shrove Tuesday and Easter. Today, semlor are available in shops and bakeries every day from shortly after Christmas until Easter. Each Swede consumes on average five bakery-produced semlor each year, in addition to all those that are homemade." wiki
---Nana on 5/3/13


Nikki, since you are confused with Fat Tuesday and Ash Wednesday, yes two different days, as Fat Tuesday is the day before Ash Wednesday, the day of SIN till your hearts content Because you get to confess all, and then show moral restraint for 40 days, like giving up chocolate.

Yes, this RCC thing called Carnival is celebrated around the world in Catholic Countries...now remember Mardi Gras is a French word for Fat Tuesday, and what it's called in New Orleans. You'll have to look up what it's called in the other "Catholic Countries "who celebrate this.

See if you can find this in NON Catholic Countries, like Sweden maybe.....Nope...not there. Hummmmmm.
---kathr4453 on 5/3/13


Nikki, first you say you can't read, by presuming I don't know the difference between Fat Tuesday and Ash Wednesday, when no such confusion was made except In your understanding, then you want to talk about Easter egg hunts.....never part of this conversation, then how Christmas is from Dec 25 plus 7 days, and how you all celebrate these days is no one's business.

Well, when you all tell the world YOU are Christians , who willfully SIN, only to confess and all is forgiven IS MINE and every Christian's BUSINESS when YOU blaspheme God and His Grace. Now if you want to say your not Christian, then and only then is it not our business.
---kathr4453 on 5/3/13


Kathr, Mardi gras is Fat Tuesday which isn't Ash Wednesday. DIFFERENT DAYS. I never heard of Shrove Tuesday.

Of course Mari Gras's date is determined by Easter, As Easter egg hunts dates. The Secularist people are not having Easter egg hunts in July.
The RCC only tell us the dates of Lent and Easter. What idiots do before Easter doesn't concern us.

Just like, people singing Christmas music after Thanksgiving. The RCC doesn't celebrate Christmas until midnight of Dec 25th and prolongs the date for 7 days. Dec 30th is still Dec 25th for the RCC.
The same applies for Easter. One day isn't enough for the RCC, it turns it into 7 days.

What you or Secularist do is your business, so please keep your business to yourself.
---Nikki on 5/2/13


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Cluny, Mothers Day is not a supposed Christian Holy Day.

And to the rest of your statement,....since I am "Complete IN HIM," no such days of struggling are necessary.

You're talking about RELIGION, but Being IN CHRIST, RELIGION is not necessary, Relationship is. My relationship with the Lord does not require a 40 day "whatever " once every year.

That's so hypocritical, since you don't even believe in one Day of Sabbath each week. Yet, if you do, then you have not entered His REST, where no such Days , one or 40 are required under Grace.

---kathr4453 on 5/2/13


\\Nor Christian, nor in the Bible.
---kathr4453 on 5/2/13\\

What do you think of Mother's Day, kathr? Should your worldly denominational church take notice of it?

**Remember this is an RCC thing, who joins hand in hand with the unsaved unregenerate world of WILLFUL debauchery.
---kathr4453 on 5/1/13**

Orthodox Lent starts with Pure Monday, after a couple of weeks of increasingly strict fasting and abstinence to prepare us for the spiritual struggle of Lent.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/2/13


Shrove Tuesday is the day preceding Ash Wednesday, the first day of Lent. Shrove Tuesday is determined by Easter, its date changes annually.

The expression "Shrove Tuesday" comes from the word shrive, meaning "confess. Related popular practices are associated with celebrations before the fasting and religious obligations associated with the penitential season of Lent. The term Mardi gras is French for Fat Tuesday or Shrove Tuesday before the ritual fasting of the Lenten season, which begins on Ash Wednesday.

So Nikki, this is a secualr holiday? Secular people observe Ash Wednesday, Lent etc? All these days are RCC days, and not secular. Nor Christian, nor in the Bible.
---kathr4453 on 5/2/13


"If you are a preacher of mercy, do not preach an imaginary but the true mercy. If the mercy is true, you must therefore bear the true, not an imaginary sin. God does not save those who are only imaginary sinners. Be a sinner, and let your sins be strong (sin boldly), but let your trust in Christ be stronger, and rejoice in Christ who is the victor over sin, death, and the world."

Martin Luther
---Nana on 5/2/13


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Kathr4453, Mari Gras which means Fat Tuesday is a secular celebration, NOT A RCC HOLIDAY.
That's like saying the Easter egg roll is a Baptist holiday.

You don't even know what Lent is about? You don't have a clue. Lent STARTS on Ash WEDNESDAY and ends on Good FRIDAY

I bet you didn't even know that OUR Easter starts on Saturday NIGHT! Called Easter Vigil.

We don't even use the word holiday. That's a WORLDLY TERM. We say FEAST day.

The Priest CAN'T charge a dime for any services.
No charge for Funerals, Marriages, Baptismal or the like.

But, the Protestant Preacher charges for these services.
I knew a Preacher who REFUSED a funeral until he was PAID FIRST!
That's BLASPHEMY
---Nikki on 5/2/13


Luke 5:39, Thanks for that verse. Luke 5:39, Thanks for that verse!!!

This is a proverbial expression, and which Luke only records, which may be applied to the natural man, who having drunk the old wine of their carnal lusts and pleasures, and do not desire the new wine of the Gospel, and of the grace of God, and of spiritual things, but prefer their old sins and lusts unto them: carnal lusts may be signified by old wine until they are regenerated by the Spirit of God, and their taste is changed. It may accommodate legalists, and men of a "pharisaical spirit", to whom spiritual and evangelical things are very disagreeable.

So, in fact Micha, Luke was not saying we should prefer the old.
---kathr4453 on 5/1/13


As regards Mardi Gras, it's not only Roman Catholics who indulge in roistering at this time.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/1/13

Cluny, and this you're proud of?

Remember this is an RCC thing, who joins hand in hand with the unsaved unregenerate world of WILLFUL debauchery.
---kathr4453 on 5/1/13


So it's not surprising to me that someone who is RCC or her little orphan sisters or redheaded step children would believe and teach that all grapes were fermented right in the fruit on the tree, and that this is God's gift to man.
---kathr4453 on 5/1/13


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kathr, "Thou shalt not drink" is nothing more than an American protestant taboo that's a holdover from the temperance movement.

As regards Mardi Gras, it's not only Roman Catholics who indulge in roistering at this time.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/1/13


Luke 5:39 No man also having drunk old [wine] straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.
John 2:10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine, and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: [but] thou hast kept the good wine until now.
--Context suggests acoholic wine.
---micha9344 on 5/1/13


The Customes of weddings was all, including children attended. You are suggesting that after many hours of drinking Jesus brought out more fermented wine to get them even drunker. Hardly.

In scripture WINE us used for both fermented and unfermented wine. Our ENGLISH has translated all to say wine. You must read each scripture to know it does not all apply to fermented wine.

But I know the RCC with a large percent of it's menbership population are in fact alcoholics. And just look at Fat Tuesday....the most horrible day of SIN on the face of the earth, an RCC Holiday. I use to live in New Orleans, I know. Asking forgivness the next day doesn't change that fact or forgive any WILLFUL SIN EVER!
---kathr4453 on 5/1/13


Mardi Gras is not a Christian holiday. The Holiday lacks Biblical support and scriptural foundation. Good Friday, shriving, Lent, Ash Wednesday, Maunday Thursday, and Catfish Friday, Fat Tuesday is a Roman Catholic tradition that has gone amuck and is not true scriptural worship or true Biblical Christianity. The premise for this Catholic "holy" day is to get in all the debauchery, fornication, drunkenness, and general self-indulgences a person can get, because the next forty days a Catholic is told they must give up meat on Fridays until Easter. The Catholic "priest" can give special indulgences as long as the congregant pays penance (blasphemy). That is not true religion. God would in no way condone such lasciviousness.
---kathr4453 on 5/1/13


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But this implies that the guests were 'tipsy' at least
Rejection of this is rejection of logic
NOTE: I am not saying that being tipsy is GOOD---Peter9556 on 4/27/13

Excellent point.

You can not get tipsy on grape juice. Nor can you be fooled on worst grape juice after drinking several glasses of grape juice.
Your senses are still alert.
---Nikki on 5/1/13


kathr4453 on 4/27/13: After Nikki commented on the logical side, I will come from the point of John 2:10-11.

Here the steward tells the bridegroom that the guests (to whom Jesus made what you refuse to accept is wine) were 'not able to recognise what wine was good' (a rewriting of Jn 2:10, the words of the steward)

But this implies that the guests were 'tipsy' at least

Rejection of this is rejection of logic

NOTE: I am not saying that being tipsy is GOOD
---Peter9556 on 4/27/13


God would want us to be in His will but sometimes our own free will has problems but we still have free will. the closer to God we are, the closer to His will we are. we still have a depraved body and it is full of sin. someday I will have a glorified body and all the aches and pains will be gone.
---shira4368 on 4/28/13


A Prevailing Misconception. It is widely believed that in the ancient world it was much easier to preserve fermented wine than to preserve unfermented grape juice. Such a belief rests on the mistaken assumption that the preservation of fermented wine was a simple process requiring only that the pressed grape juice ferment naturally. The truth is quite different. Fermented wines are subject to a number of infections which cause them to become acid, malodorous and moldy. The ancients were well aware of these problems. Pliny, for example, frankly acknowledges that "it is a peculiarity of wine among liquids to go moldy or else to turn into vinegar, and whole volumes of instructions how to remedy this have been published."
---kathr4453 on 4/28/13


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The kind of fermentation you are talking about Nikki , didn't take place until the Middle Ages. But we are not talking about the Middle Ages here.

So to avoid being cursed here once again , I'll believe what I know ,having researched this subject years ago, but WON'T share any more with argumentative people who won't listen no matter what one says.

Those who want to know the facts CAN do the same research.
---kathr4453 on 4/28/13


Fermentation The process of this kind involved in the making of beer, wine, and liquor, in which sugars are converted to ethyl alcohol.

Karhr, you still need refrigeration for grape juice.
You also can't get drunk drinking grape juice. I don't care how much you drink. You will vomit first, and still won't get drunk.
If you could get drunk, they wouldn't allow kids buying grape juice.

They didn't have grape juice in the Bible, I don't care how much you WISH it was grape juice. SORRY, IT WAS WINE.
---Nikki on 4/27/13


It is known, from ancient sources, that there were ways of preserving juice, thus preventing fermentation. The ancient Roman statesman, Cato, said, If you wish to have must [grape juice] all year, put grape juice in an amphora and seal the cork with pitch, sink it in a fishpond. After thirty days take it out. It will be grape juice for a whole year (De Agri Cultura CXX).
---kathr4453 on 4/27/13


Nikki, your wrong, it was kept in jars, or wine skins in caves to prevent fermentation. Even the Gentiles made special places to keep the fruit of the vine, and had very sophisticated , for their time, ways to keep and prevent, or rather, slow down considerably the fermentation process. There is a whole history on the subject. Fermented wine was considered bad even to drink, and new wine, was that which had not yet fermented. That was the sarcastic joke thrown at Peter at Pentecost...oh look, their drunk on new wine....



Who knows, maybe they did make jelly. They made bread.
---kathr4453 on 4/27/13


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Nikki, Welches Grape Juice is also fruit of the vine.
---kathr4453 on 4/26/13

Really? So is grape jelly, but you not claiming they had grape jelly are you?

No REFRIGERATION at that time to keep Grape Juice.
That's why it is called Juice and not Wine.
---Nikki on 4/26/13


Nikki, Welches Grape Juice is also fruit of the vine.
---kathr4453 on 4/26/13


Kathr // Leej I never said we would not eat or drink in heaven, but fermented wine?//


Matthew 26:29
"..I tell you, from now on I shall not drink this fruit of the vine until the day when I drink it with your new in the kingdom of my Father.

That's Heaven
---Nikki on 4/26/13


Leej I never said we would not eat or drink in heaven, but fermented wine? NO, as fermentation is a decaying process that will not, cannot happen in Heaven. Ever wonder why you never heard of drunkards before Noah, before the flood, and only afterwards. Seeing man ALSO began to decay faster after the flood will give you a clue. Noah was probably caught off guard with that FACTOID!

No one will be getting a "head buzz"in Heaven Leej, sorry to disappoint you. So you thought you could continue your drunkenness in heaven? DRUNKERDS will not enter the Kingdom of God. Do you DESPITE that verse too?

Oh, that's right, you have some authority to despite anything that just doesn't fit into your theology and lifestyle.
---kathr4453 on 4/23/13


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//Leej oves this verse USING the TITHES under the LAW, a once a year indulgence, to justify his drinking.
--
And how do you justify your slander? Do you believe you can do anything you want even falsely accuse others of things that are not guilty of and believe you do not sin?

If you believe that then you are not born of God but a demon is what resides inside you.
---e.lee7537 on 4/23/13


Kathr4453//Seeing we won't have BLOOD in our veins, as we will be like Jesus and our bodies fashioned like His, there will be no need for fermented alcohol or alcohol in the blood making one drunk.
---
Ever read the Bible?

Mt 26:29 I tell you I will not drink again of this fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new with you in my Fathers kingdom.

It amazes me how little some really know about the Bible and what it teaches. Suggest you find a church that peaches the Bible.

Obviously that you are NOT complete in Christ, Christ being the word of God since you apparently know little of its doctrines.
---e.lee7537 on 4/23/13


strong drink that makes one drunk 1Samuel 1:14-15
and causes the one who partakes of it to stagger (Isaiah 29:9
. Proverbs 20:1
warns that strong drink is raging and that whosoever is deceived thereby

,is not for princes to drink strong drink. Proverbs 31:4
for it is the drink of those who are ready to perish Proverbs 31:6
. It is the ruin of men of strength (Isaiah 5:22
) and will cause even prophets and priests to err and go out of the way (Isaiah 28:7


Leej loves this verse USING the TITHES under the LAW, a once a year indulgence, to justify his drinking.

Leej fits all of the above, and is proud of it.
---kathr4453 on 4/23/13


Yes and during bible times alcohol did not have the percent of alcohol it does today. And the wine that did ferment longer had a color and it was forbidden to drink.

The reason Leej defends drinking is because he drinks, and yes gets drunk. Alcohol is a drug.

And yes, Leej being incomplete, because he is not IN HIM to begin with, has never submitted his members to God, as one alive from the dead, and uses Paul's testimony of his journey to that point, but stops short of Paul's VICTORIOUS ending , and wants to excuse sin still in his members. He needs to re-read Romans 6 to understand Romans 7and 8.

Leej likes to pick and choose verses he likes, and tosses those he doesn't.
---kathr4453 on 4/23/13


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However, no one has yet to find anything in the Bible that forbids the drinking of
alcoholic beverages. At the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, Jesus will be the one that will brings out all the good stuff for us to drink.
---e.lee7537 on 4/22/13

Seeing we won't have BLOOD in our veins, as we will be like Jesus and our bodies fashioned like His, there will be no need for fermented alcohol or alcohol in the blood making one drunk.


---kathr4453 on 4/23/13


shira4368 -You probably have been misguided on alcoholic beverages as the Bible only forbids drunkenness.

For instance, the word tells us

-if the way is too long for you, so that you are not able to carry the tithe, when the LORD your God blesses you,..... then you shall turn it into money and bind up the money in your hand and go to the place that the LORD your God chooses and spend the money for whatever you desire-oxen or sheep or wine or strong drink, whatever your appetite craves. Deut. 14:24f

But if you are an alcoholic or believe it to be a hindrance to your witness in Christ, you should avoid such drinks.
---e.lee7537 on 4/23/13


Lee you travel in circles I've never been. I can tell you many Christians drink alcohol but we know the bible says strong drink is raging. God sees what everyone does and any God called preacher that consumes alcohol will be judged and will have to face God on judgement day. There are hypocrits in every church and there are many false teachers and preachers.
---shira4368 on 4/22/13


//why do you say Baptist drink alcohol at home?
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I used to be a Baptist and upon several occasions drank alcoholic beverages with other Baptists at either my home or theirs.

And we had a very vocal and hell raising Independent Baptist minister in our area that was found in his trailer one morning totally drunk and in need of medical help.

Frankly, if this kind of thing is a problem and is an hindrance to your witness as a Christian you should not drink such beverages.

However, no one has yet to find anything in the Bible that forbids the drinking of
alcoholic beverages. At the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, Jesus will be the one that will brings out all the good stuff for us to drink.
---e.lee7537 on 4/22/13


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"We should pray for will-power and strength to overcome to resist temptation and sin."
---Jed on 4/16/13

As such,

Luke 22:31_32 "And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren."
---Nana on 4/18/13


adnuj...why do you say Baptist drink alcohol at home? I have seen some do this but so do other denominations. my daughter father in law is a Methodist ex pastor and every year at Christmas he tries to get me to drink hard whiskey. I keep telling him no but no but no. I have stopped going around any place where he is.frankly I have never heard of any preacher pushing alcohol off on someone that don't drink....period. not a good testimony for him. the bad part is he chuckles in an arrogant way like I am above him. I have never acted above anyone. just saying
---shira4368 on 4/18/13


Scarlett: 'God gave us free will to do it ourselves.'

That does not seem to me enough on major things God has helped me with

I would say two things

1) Prayer always, and because we are weak, for me when I have something important it is a set timetable of when I sit down and pray. Otherwise I am weak, and may forget

2) Christians around me to pray for me, and call me up to remind me to pray, or for the two of us to pray over the phone - whatever is necessary for me to praying
---Peter on 4/17/13


Scarlett, I disagree with your Pastor. That type of thinking will cause you to fall. Because, if you do over come your addiction you might fall into pride thinking it was all you.

God wants us to depend on Him for EVERYTHING.
Ask for His Graces daily.
When you wake up. Late morning, mid afternoon, evening and before you lie down to sleep.

NEVER STOP ASKING HIM.

This constant pleading will give you strength to stop smoking or drinking. Because whenever you have God on your mind, addiction sin will slowly squeeze out of your life.
It is a slow process, but it will result in an addiction free life.
---Nikki on 4/17/13


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Scarlett, I understand where your pastor is coming from. Some people think they just pray for deliverance from their addiction or situation and they have done their part just by praying. This is the thinking of a weak minded individual who doesn't take responsibility for their actions. We should pray for will-power and strength to overcome to resist temptation and sin. But ultimately, we as adults make our own choices and only we can choose weather to give in to the temptation or not. You have to make a choice to submit to God and resist sin. That is a choice you have to make if you want deliverance. Just asking God to take away your addiction and thinking you won't have to do the work is the easy way out and will yield no results.
---Jed on 4/16/13


e.lee7537://As to alcoholic beverages, I rarely drink ... to keep others from thinking I am a Baptist (they always drink at home)// I am Baptist, God helped to overcome alcohol addiction in 1991. Most Baptist persons that I know do not drink alcohol at all. It's drinkers that usually meets drinkers, isn't it?
---Adetunji on 4/16/13


"Should we ask God to take things from us like smoking or alcohol addicton?" Yes, "one should always pray and not lose heart."
An addiction is defined as the state of being enslaved to a habit or practice, or to something that is psychologically or physically habit-forming, to such an extent that its cessation causes severe trauma. In the case of smoking or alcohol addiction, those additions are both psychological and physical. That "Pastor's" advice is obviously given from a place of 'ignorance', (as in having a lack of knowledge and/or experience) concerning those addictions.
Addictions can be overcome only through the Fathers' power, whether that power is recognized and acknowledged or not.
---joseph on 4/15/13


I agree, you shouldn't ask God to take it away from you. That would only bring about resentment toward God that he would deprive you of something.

And you know what happened in the garden of Eden when the devil hinted that God was depriving them of something.

You must instead get to the place where you will throw it away like some disgusting thing and call yourself "stupid, stupid, stupid!" for even doing it.

That is what I think your pastor meant.
---jan4378 on 4/15/13


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willie_c://e-lee, I think there can be people who make such a show of what they say, that it can seem everyone in their group or who believes the Bible does it their way.

I believe that there are thousand of others that has much the same testimony on overcoming addictions, so what is your problem?

Our God answers prayers!
---e.lee7537 on 4/6/13


e-lee, I think there can be people who make such a show of what they say, that it can seem everyone in their group or who believes the Bible does it their way.

"But those who do the show don't all do things the same way."

Scarlett . . . hi (c: God bless you (c: Yes, I would trust God to remove whatever is a sin problem. Our own character did not. So, really, we need how God alone can change our character.

"Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God," (2 Corinthians 3:5)
---willie_c: on 4/6/13


Scarlett: I'm a former smoker & alcoholic. I can say, without reservation, the pastor was 100% wrong! One should never assume & can't credibly talk about what they don't personally know about.

Free-will is okay, but as strong willed as the human spirit is, our flesh is extremely weak & we always need God's help to overcome lifes hurdles! :)

I initially determined to quit both addictions, but they're not easily overcome by the flesh. In all things we're to seek & pray the Lord's guidance & deliverance. (Ps. 23) I did & have been abstinent & sober since '74 & haven't smoked since '85. The Lord delivered me from both addictions. I couldn't have done it by myself!

God bless!!!
---Leon on 4/6/13


Mary//Hi e-lee, congratulations on quitting smoking, God bless you :)

---
1 Cor. 1:31 Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.
---e.lee7537 on 4/6/13


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Not by power nor by might but by My Spirit says the Lord.

There are demons of addiction. The scripture says "do not be drunk with wine, but be filled with the Spirit".

I advise all addicts to turn to the Lord for deliverance. Also, study God's word. God's word is light. Where the light is, darkness disappears.
---Rebecca on 4/5/13


Hi e-lee, congratulations on quitting smoking, God bless you :)
---Mary on 4/4/13


I once fought with tobacco addiction and reached the point where I felt I was powerless to overcome that addiction. So I surrendered it to the Lord and He took away the desire to smoke. I have not smoked since.

True, that one may stop smoking on ones own efforts, but the desire will always be there and there is always the possibility of relapse.

As to alcoholic beverages, I rarely drink but tell people I drink just enough to keep others from thinking I am a Baptist (they always drink at home).
---e.lee7537 on 4/3/13


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