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When Did Jesus Go To Hell

Did Jesus go to hell after he died on the cross or was he already in hell as he hung dying on the cross?

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Leon, what a convoluted understanding of hell you have. Bad news, earth is not eternal but a place that exist only through time, space and matter - which one day when the Lord returns will be destroyed and perish.

Whereas the hell that the Bible speaks about is eternal, where time, space and matter doesn't exist. "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched." Which Jude says, "suffering the vengeance of eternal fire"

You're ignoramus that the soul and spirit of the man is not made of matter like the body, which is of dust (that's matter). The saints will receive a glorified body for eternity whereas the damned too will receive a body, but I'm sure it ain't going to be a glorified one.
---christan on 4/17/13


---Leon on 4/16/13
well said

Revelation 12:12 Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
---francis on 4/17/13


It is my "opinion" Jesus went to hell when He choose to come into the world (hell on earth), as a child, to ultimately die for our sins. God came down from Heaven TO HELL to set the captives (US) free!!!
---Leon on 4/16/13


1stCliff, does Jesus need to tell us He's God? The Holy Bible tells us that He's God isn't it? "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." So, who's the Word?

Seems John 10:33 testimony isn't sufficient for you. Do you even know why the Jews wanted Christ dead? Here's the reason: "...because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."

And what did Thomas spoke on seeing Christ after His resurrection? "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God."

These are not my words but that of the Bible. Do not believe me but believe what's declared in the Bible. Is it that hard for you to believe Jesus is God?
---christan on 4/16/13


Cliff are you saying you understand the complexities of the power and method God used to create? Surely not! We know what He did, and when He did it but we do not know how He did it. How did He speak matter into existence? By what mechanism?

I pointed out God can be acting in different places at the one time, to show He is not bound by human time/place constraints. He can also act in eternity, and in our time, at the same time. But you insist He is not capable of speaking also within the Godhead.

God has (as He commonly does) used human terminology to describe a reality. My son's are equal in substance and legal standing to me. By calling Jesus His Son He is stating Jesus is one with Him, and equal to Him.
---Warwick on 4/16/13




Warwick, No, not true! God used only 3 building blocks to create everything,electrons, protons and neutrons!His creating force was Holy Spirit .
Being many places at the same time,outside of time , being eternal,being supreme in the universe has little to do with being more than one person!
Why do you suppose He chose to have a Son? He said "this is my Son of whom I am well pleased" (To fool people into thinking He had a Son?,when in reality it was Himself?)
---1st_cliff on 4/16/13


Cliff, "The eternal God is your dwelling place,..." Deuteronomy 33:27. Eternal means without beginning or end-timeless! Eternity is not a measure of time but an absence of time-no beginning or end.

You didn't answer my question as you are in a quandary. You would have to answer that God can be speaking with people in widely separated places, at the same time, well aware of all He is saying-in reality talking to Himself. You fall for the error of believing you must understand something before you can believe it. I am sure you believe by faith (because you weren't there)that God created. I am likewise confident you have not the faintest idea of how He actually Created. True?
---Warwick on 4/16/13


Jerry//So you buy into Gordon's underground paradise, eh? It figures that a non-Bible-believing guy like you would go for the spook resort fiction.

What I believe is scripture does indeed teach hell is a place, the abode of the condemned dead.

Sorry but I do not spiritualize Luke 16 about the beggar in Abrahams bosom and the condemned rich man in hell. The reason being that Jesus used real life events in His parables.

I am a Non-Bible guy? Having been an active Bible distributor for over 30 years distributing thousand of Bibles in jails, schools, universities, prison, hotels, motels and elsewhere, I doubt if anyone can view me as a Non-Bible person.
---e.lee7537 on 4/16/13


Warwick, Your question is more of a poser of the unknown.
We have no idea how "big" God is, can He be in Australia and Canada at the same time??
Is He limited to the logical and reasonable only?, we can only guess!
We are limited to the information He has given us via scripture, outside of that, is conjecture!
Nowhere does scripture say "He's outside of time"
TIME plays a very large part in scripture, being repeatedly cited!
Throughout the bible "time" plays an important role!(IE prophecy)
---1st_cliff on 4/16/13


JOHN 1:1-14, (KJV, not "New World Translation"), "In the Beginning was the "Word", and the "Word" was WITH GOD, and the "Word" WAS God."..."And the Word was made Flesh and dwelt among us..." The "Word", Who is God, was made Flesh, as a Man, and dwelt among "us", among humanity on Earth. These are not Words quoted directly from YAHUSHUA's Mouth, But, these Words were written by the very Inspiration of GOD's Holy Spirit, II TIMOTHY 3:16. Or, is the Book of JOHN an illegitimate Book like the Book of LUKE?? (tongue-in-cheek)
---Gordon on 4/16/13




Christian, At no time did Jesus ever say He was God!
**the Son giving up His life-that's a given** then you immediately say the Son was God ,That will never happen because God is immortal,(you obviously deny God is immortal) He gave that assignment to His obedient Son and for this He(Jesus) was rewarded Phil.2 .9-11.
---1st_cliff on 4/16/13


Luke 15:3 And he spake this parable unto them, saying, What man of you, having an hundred sheep,
Luke 15:8 what woman having ten pieces of silver
Luke 15:11 A certain man had two sons:
Luke 16:1 There was a certain rich man, which had a steward,
Luke 16:19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple

From Luke 15 to Luke 16 are a series of parables told by Jesus, included in these parables is the parable of the rich man and lazarous
---francis on 4/16/13


Christan, In LUKE 16, YAHUSHUA tells of the rich man and Lazarus. The rich man was in the Fires of Torments while Lazarus was across on the other side of the Chasm in the "Bosom of Abraham", which was Paradise. That is shown in Verse 26. Paradise was below in the Earth, near but separated from the Torments part of Hell. Hell is the "abode of the Dead". The O.T. Saints went to the abode of the DEAD, because the Blood-Price had not yet been paid by YAHUSHUA. So, the O.T. Saints had to stay in this abode "Hell" until YAHUSHUA shed His Blood. Once doing that and when He arose, He took those Old Saints in Paradise up to the Third Heaven, where all Saints go to now, at Death. And, now, ALL of Hell is only of Torments.
---Gordon on 4/16/13


Gordon, not only is your theory of "Common Denominator" like a dog chasing it's own tail, you are just going round in circles quoting Scriptures that doesn't support your theory of Hell.

Keep it simple!!!

HELL is a spiritual place that will "house" all the reprobates to be tormented for all eternity! Jesus tasted Hell on behalf of His people and is now in the Kingdom of God ruling the world, fulfilling David's prophesy of Psalm 16:10.

This earth exist through time, space and matter. Heaven and hell will exist by the power of the eternal God when time, space and matter will cease, hence eternity. Get it?
---christan on 4/15/13


Cliff please answer a relevant question. Is God limited to time and space-can God only do one thing at a time in one place at a time or can He act in different locations at the same time?
---Warwick on 4/16/13


"Father is immortal, Son gave His life..crystal clear!" 1stCliff

The issue of the trinity is not about the Son giving up His life - that's a given. It's your denial that the Son and the Holy Spirit are God, who's just like the Father, also God. And this three are One in God.

It's the unbelief that Christ is God that the Jews had so much of a problem with, that their favourite past-time was to stone Christ. Just this unbelief alone is deserving of eternal death.

"The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy, and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God." John 10:33

See the similarity of your unbelief?
---christan on 4/16/13


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Lee: So you buy into Gordon's underground paradise, eh? It figures that a non-Bible-believing guy like you would go for the spook resort fiction.



---jerry6593 on 4/16/13


Warwick, You are something other than "anthropomorphic"?? (like what?)
We are made in God's image and we don't have 2 other secondary personalities!
Examine your statement **Father,Son and Holy Spirit relate to ONE ANOTHER**We're talking 3 here then you say "it's beyond human reasoning" Of course it is because it's ambiguous!
You poo poo the notion that the Logos is/was a God ,then you say (2nd pp) "God the Son"
You're right Mate, to you it's a mystery,to me Father and Son are no mystery!
Father is immortal, Son gave His life..crystal clear!
---1st_cliff on 4/15/13


Christan, Can you add? If so, add these following Scripture Verses up and see if you can't find a Common Denominator: MATTHEW 12:40 says that YAHUSHUA will be, for 3 Days and 3 Nights, in the "heart of the Earth". And, says PSALM 16:10, "For Thou wilt not leave My Soul in Hell, neither wilt Thou suffer Thine Holy One to see corruption.", this is a Davidic Psalm prophecying that when YAHUSHUA dies, He will not be left in Hell. (And, Hell is not just the 6 ft-under plot of dirt in the ground, as some teach. It's a literal dwelling place of souls who've passed on.) ACTS 2:25-32 bears witness to PSALM 16:10. We have David prophecying that YAHUSHUA will be in Hell. We have YAHUSHUA Himself prophecying of His stint in Hell.
---Gordon on 4/15/13


Gordon, you're talking slowly is because you're enjoying listening to the garbage you're spewing. Any Christian (the true ones) will tell you that Hell and Paradise is a "spiritual place" and not "below, in the "heart"/center of the Earth" as you describe it to be.

If so, you're going to find every soul and spirit "down there" if you dig deep enough. See how ridiculous you sound? Luke 16:19-31 is not a parable but an actual description of what happens when someone passes on from this world.

Jesus uses the physical things of this world to describe eternal life and death, and that's because you and I cannot fathom how it even looks like until our time comes.
---christan on 4/15/13


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Okay, Christan, I'm going to try to explain this to you in plain and simple English. So, please, follow along slowly and carefully, okay? Before YAHUSHUA arose from the Tomb, Hell, which is below, in the "heart"/center of the Earth, consisted of both a Paradise side and a side of Torments. They were divided by a huge Chasm, so no one could cross from one side to the other, see LUKE 16:19-31. Hell was mostly of Torments, but, one section was Paradise. Then, later on, after YAHUSHUA's Resurrection, Paradise, and all the Saints in it, was taken up to the Third Heaven where GOD's Throne and the Mansions of John 14:1-3 are. So, that, NOW, ALL of Hell is of Torments. And, Paradise, nowadays, resides up in Heaven.
---Gordon on 4/14/13


HELL is "Sheol" and "Hades". Hell is only a temporary holding place. The LAKE OF FIRE is "Gehenna", the Second Death, the eternally-burning Garbage Dump for evil, sinful human souls and fallen angels.
---Gordon on 4/14/13


Cliff, faith is supreme-John 20:29.I believe Scripture makes a convincing case the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are God and relate to one another-Genesis ch.1. This is beyond human reasoning-God's ways are higher than ours-Isaiah 55:9. The Apostles were often as thick as planks when Jesus (God there with them) endeavoured to explain heavenly things.

God the Son is eternal,uncreated- Colossians 1:15-17. Jesus says (Hebrews 10:5) "a body you prepared for me." Scripture calls Jesus both Son of God, as to His Spirit, and Son of man as to His flesh. Philippians 2 shows God the Son willingly became a servant, on earth. We have the pre-existant, humiliated, and exhalted Lord Jesus, destined ruler of all Creation.
---Warwick on 4/14/13


Cliff, maybe you see 'person' referring to God meaning the same as to a human. I often think the JW conditioning you underwent makes you think anthropomorphically applying human characteristics to God. We know what 'person' is, human wise, likewise what a shepherd is. Jesus "the Good shepherd" doesn't protect 4 legged sheep. But it paints a picture. Likewise we understand 'person' when applied to the Godhead. That does not make the Godhead 3 persons in the human, fleshly way. God is Spirit who dwells in eternity, therefore incomprehensibly outside time, existing in a form we can neither see nor understand. But the persons of the Godhead are 1 who communicate with one another.

Do you have to understand this to believe it?
---Warwick on 4/14/13


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//Hell, hades, gehenna, sheol all describe THE GRAVE - THE PLACE OF THE DEAD

Matthew 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Since Jesus referred to hell as a place of torment, we as Bible believing Christians can really do nothing else except to accept what the Word of God teaches.

Adventists in order to justify their unbiblical belief in a single judgment of both the righteous and unrighteous, have to deny hell as being a place for the damned, but in doing that they claim to know something different that what the saints of His church has always believed.
---e.lee7537 on 4/13/13


Warwick, No,I am Who exalted who? Explain how it could be the same person!
---1st_cliff on 4/14/13


"The term "Hell's Paradise" will no longer be an oxymoronic term..." Gordon

Even if it's a metaphor or symbolic, how's Hell considered paradise? Even the heathens and pagans will laugh at your classification of "Hell's Paradise". Does the description of eternal death in Hell given by Scripture sound anything like "paradise"?

"...there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth ...Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched ...And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

Paradise? Only a convoluted mind would say that.
---christan on 4/13/13


1stCliff, no where in the Holy Bible does it teach otherwise that God is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Trinity name is given by theologians to imply God is three "persons" in One.

From the very offset of Genesis, they were already there before the creation of the world and they created the world.

The Father: "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

The Son: "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."

The Holy Spirit: "And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

So, your denial has only one consequence.
---christan on 4/13/13


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Gordon: Your description of hell is straight out of Catholicism and paganism - not out of the Bible. If it were, you would be able to quote scripture to support your views. Hell, hades, gehenna, sheol all describe THE GRAVE - THE PLACE OF THE DEAD - not divisions of paradise. Paradise is the garden of God in heaven through which the river of life from God's throne flows, spanned by the tree of life.

You claim to be sent by God to proclaim His truth. I say:

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.



---jerry6593 on 4/13/13


Cliff, I have waited so long for your question and now it is finally here I am not sure what the question is. You appear to be asking me to make a case against the Trinity, using Philippians 2:9-11. Is that correct?
---Warwick on 4/13/13


Warwick, With a view to finding a ligitimate argument against belief in a trinity,give me your understanding of Phil.2.9-11 and you can fabricate my Qs when you read this. OK?
---1st_cliff on 4/13/13


Jerry, You may call it whatever. Use any other accurate term you choose. But, what I said is the truth. Hell (Sheol, Hades) was, and is, the place of the Dead, where, before the Resurrection of YAHUSHUA, ALL human souls went to at death, whether they were GOD's Followers or pagan unbelievers. At that time, in "Hell", there was a huge Chasm that divided the side of Torments from the Paradise side. The term "Hell's Paradise" will no longer be an oxymoronic term for those who begin to understand and learn more about Paradise, Heaven, Hell and the Lake of Fire. I am trying to help others understand these places. I am sent by GOD to do so, as others here are too! Those who WANT the Truth will be open to the Truth, regardless.
---Gordon on 4/13/13


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Cliff we all suffer disappointments when blogging here. Quite often I put considerable research and effort into an answer and it does not appear. Sometimes I store them in Word and post them again. Usually the second time is successful, usually!

Dr John Gill (1697-1771) was a famous Baptist who wrote a complete systematic theology and a verse-by-verse commentary of the Bible. I value his thoughts as he was before some of the modern compromise commentaries which to more or lesser extent have swallowed nonBiblical long-ages/evolutionary ideas.

Come on Cliffy hit me with the question! You never know I may have an answer.
---Warwick on 4/13/13


Gordon: "Hell's Paradise was in the center of the Earth."

First of all, "Hell's Paradise" is an oxymoron. Secondly, There is no evidence (either biblical or scientific) that Datne's Inferno is at the center of the earth with people living there now. That is pure pagan mythology! According to the Bible, the wicked will be (future) destroyed in the lake of fire - ON THE SURFACE OF THE EARTH.



---jerry6593 on 4/13/13


Warwick, Who is "Gill"?
I pose serious questions but if they don't get posted there's little I can do about it!
I hate to use the word "conspiracy"
---1st_cliff on 4/12/13


jerry6593, please read carefully once AGAIN. You said on 4/11/13:

"There is no biblical record of such a thing." and then immediately followed with proclamation of "Jesus died on the cross on Friday, and was placed in a tomb before sundown. He rested (dead) in the tomb on Saturday, and was gone when the ladies came to embalm Him on Sunday morning."

Is there such a "biblical record" or account of such details like "Friday, Saturday, Sunday morning and even embalming"? If not, aren't you CONTRADICTING yourself with regards to "biblical record"? That's known as CONTRADICTING isn't it?

Brush up on your understanding to what people are saying.
---christan on 4/12/13


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Cliff, I stand by what I have written. You say that what NT writers produced was not Scripture but Peter is clear that Paul's writings are Scripture. And Paul as you know produced most of the NT.

Of 2 Timothy 3:16 Gill writes "...That is, all holy Scripture, for of that only the apostle is speaking, and he means the whole of it, not only the books of the Old Testament, but of the New, the greatest part of which was now written, for this second epistle to Timothy is by some thought to be the last of Paul's epistles,...."

Your mysterious question still has to be posed!!!!
---Warwick on 4/12/13


Did Jesus go to hell after he died on the cross or was he already in hell as he hung dying on the cross?
---Leon on 4/7/13
If hell is the grave, then Jesus went there the same day he died

If hell is the lake of fire, then Jesus did not to there for two reasons

1: what purpose would he serve in the lake of fire? what salvation is there for those who have rejected Jesus and died?
Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment

2: the hell which means lake of fire, had NOT happened yet, No one is being burned in hell at this time

2 Peter 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
---francis on 4/12/13


Warwick, The reference of scripture, Paul to Timothy, was the OT not to "his" writings!
By the time Peter wrote his epistle (64 ce) Paul had led the group for some 30 years so naturally he reverences Paul! That's not "inspiration" it's admiration!
---1st_cliff on 4/12/13


Jerry, Some Verses clue us in as to where YAHUSHUA went for 3 Days and 3 Nights while His Body lay in the Tomb. YAHUSHUA prophecied "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the Whale's belly, so shall the Son of Man be three Days and three Nights in THE HEART OF THE EARTH.". The heart of something is the "center" of it. Hell's Paradise was in the center of the Earth. Hell is still there below. So for 3 Days and 3 Nights, 72 Hours, YAHUSHUA was in the Paradise side of Hell. Preaching to the imprisoned spirits. "By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison." I PETER 3:19. And, PSALM 16:10 prophecied and ACTS 2:27 attests that YAHUSHUA, the Holy One was in Hell, in the Paradise side.
---Gordon on 4/12/13


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Cliff, Peter (2 Peter 3:16) calls Paul's writings Scripture. Considering this in the light of 2 Timothy 3:16 "All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness," how can you say "It's superstition to believe that God wrote any of it!

BTW you have been pestering me to answer a question I have never seen. None the less ask away.
---Warwick on 4/12/13


christan:

//
jerry6593, you contradict yourself
//


You nead to brush up on your reading skills. I said that Christ was not in hell, i.e Dante's Inferno. He was in the tomb from Friday afternoon until Sunday morning. There is no biblical record of His trip into the inferno as some allege.


---jerry6593 on 4/12/13


Francis, The Passover on which YAHUSHUA was Crucified was a High Sabbath.
---Gordon on 4/11/13
A high sabbath is NOT a feast day sabbath. A high sabbath is when a feast day sabath such as passover, AND the 7th day sabbath are on the same day.

Luke 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.

Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments, and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first [day] of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre

so we know that this was not only a passover sabbath, it was also a 7th day sabbath
---francis on 4/11/13


Samuelbb7, Would you clarify yourself better? In what way, exactly, does a Wednesday Crucifixion "fail to go along with history and the understanding of the New Testament"? Since you know it does, beyond doubt, why don't you just tell us exactly how it all played out, so we can all know? If you don't, your silence will speak louder than your typed words. :-)
---Gordon on 4/11/13


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Strong Axe, Since you asked=
NT writers were much like "reporters" writing what they observed,Mark and Luke were hearsay writers depending on others for their writings.(not eye witnesses)
Paul's writings were much like a "news letter" to various persons and congregations of an encouraging nature!
It's superstition to believe that God wrote any of it!
Revelation is a whole 'nuther matter!
---1st_cliff on 4/11/13


Francis, The Passover on which YAHUSHUA was Crucified was a High Sabbath. Brother, you much do some more research on this. I've done mine. There were at least TWO Sabbaths during the Passover Week. Simple.
---Gordon on 4/11/13


How difficult it is to separate ourselves from long-taught religious traditions. Not wanting to believe that we've been believing a falsehood all these years. Good Friday and the sunny Easter morning Resurrection is so saturated down into the very Hypodermis layer of the Ecclesiastical Body of YAHUSHUA, that, to tear these traditions away from this Body is to make her feel like the very soul is being ripped out from her bosom. But, the Truth within GOD's Written Word has the Power to heal such a wound and the Truth can soothe and heal the Body. The traditional Easter story with Good Friday, which was held by the Mother Roman Church and clung to by most of the Protestants makes GOD's Written Words of no effect, MARK 7:13.
---Gordon on 4/11/13


\He received the sentence from Pilate, the Father permitting that to happen, at the sixth hour He was crucified, at the ninth hour He gave up the ghost, and before sunset He was buried. Some read, He was taken down from the cross, and laid in a new tomb. During the Sabbath He continued under the earth in the tomb in which Joseph of Arimatha had laid Him. At the dawning of the Lords day He arose from the dead, according to what was spoken by Himself, As Jonah was three days and three nights in the whales belly, so shall the Son of man also be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. The day of the preparation, then, comprises the passion, the Sabbath embraces the burial, the Lords Day contains the resurrection.\-Ignatius(30-107 AD)
---micha9344 on 4/11/13


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Gordon on 4/11/13

A high sabbath is what two sabbath occur at the same time

Like the passover, and the 7th day sabbath occuring at the same time.
---francis on 4/11/13


Dear Gordan

This Wednesday crucifiction proposal has been around awhile. It fails history and the understanding of the New Testament. I have yet to find a legitimate scholar who goes along with this.

It also only use one statment by JESUS that a correlating statment of JESUS clarifies. You ignore scripture to make a false unimportant point.
---Sa;muelbb7 on 4/11/13


Christan, Hello? lol. Did I say or even "think" that "Bill Wiese is equivalent to YAHUSHUA"? Here's another FINE EXAMPLE where you were not really reading nor understanding at all what I've said, and you still commented anyway. I simply said that YAHUSHUA took Bill Wiese to Hell and Back. Where in that statement do you see that I say "Bill Wiese = JESUS CHRIST"?? Please "read" my comments, don't "read into" them.
---Gordon on 4/11/13


There were, at least, TWO Sabbaths during the Passover Week. There was the regular weekly 7th-Day Sabbath, and then, there was what is called a High Sabbath on the very Day of Passover, when YAHUSHUA was Crucified. Learning about the Messianic/Jewish Festivals helps clarify this. YAHUSHUA was Crucified and died on Wednesday afternoon, on the Passover, on the High Sabbath. He was buried after the end of the Sabbath, after sundown. His Body was in the Tomb: from Wednesday evening to Thursday evening = Day One. From Thursday evening to Friday evening = Day Two. From Friday evening to Saturday evening, the end of the 7th Day Sabbath = Day Three. He arose and later appeared to Mary Magdalene on Sunday Morning, the 1st day of the new week.
---Gordon on 4/11/13


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jerry6593, you contradict yourself. First you say, "There is no biblical record of such a thing", then almost in the same breath declare, "Jesus died on the cross on Friday, and was placed in a tomb before sundown. He rested (dead) in the tomb on Saturday, and was gone when the ladies came to embalm Him on Sunday morning."

Show us where in Scripture does it explicitly says - "Friday, Saturday and Sunday morning"? And Jesus was "embalmed"??? Where does it say He was "embalmed". Do you even know what "embalm" means?

Goodness gracious!!!
---christan on 4/11/13


Neither! There is no biblical record of such a thing. Jesus died on the cross on Friday, and was placed in a tomb before sundown. He rested (dead) in the tomb on Saturday, and was gone when the ladies came to embalm Him on Sunday morning.

Luk 23:55,56 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid. And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments, and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Mat 28:6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

Anything else is pure fiction.



---jerry6593 on 4/11/13


"Bill Wiese, for one, has been to Hell and back by YAHUSHUA's own Hand." Gordon

Oh Wow! So now by your testimony, Bill Wiese must also be equivalent to Jesus Christ? And you believe what he said in his book? Thank you very much, but i rather stay away from those kind of testimony and believe in the Holy Bible.

"But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification." Romans 4:24,25

There was a purpose for God raising Jesus from the dead. So do tell, what's the "purpose for Bill Wiese" and why wasn't he prophesied in the Bible like Christ was?
---christan on 4/10/13


1st_cliff:

If you don't even trust Luke, could you please enlighten us as to what parts of the Bible you DO trust, and why those and not others?
---StrongAxe on 4/10/13


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"And, the LUKE 16 Story does not negate these Visions." Gordon

Well, what Luke 16:19-31 simply teaches is when one dies, his soul and spirit either goes to Paradise or Hades - never to return.

The raising of the dead in Christ's ministry and thereafter from His apostles were signs and wonders to confirm to the people that they are indeed from God. Now the Holy Bible is complete. What miracles are you seeking for?

So then, does one still need to see someone being raised from the dead today? I don't think so. Or what becomes of faith? Jesus said to Thomas: "...blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."
---christan on 4/10/13


Christan, You say there's been no one who has gone to Hell and back except for YAHUSHUA. That is absolutely not true. Bill Wiese, for one, has been to Hell and back by YAHUSHUA's own Hand. And many others. Those Visitations to Hell are clessified as "Visions", and are prophecied to happen, as per JOEL 2:28 and ACTS 2:17. It does not matter one bit whether you yourself believe it or not. And, it's not up to me to try to convince you. That would be your own responsibility to research it. I know that it's true. I tested the spirits of his testimony and it agrees with Scripture. And, it's definitely not against something that the LORD would do. And, it's not something that HE can't do. And, the LUKE 16 Story does not negate these Visions.
---Gordon on 4/10/13


Christian, There's an old adage that applies to you .
IE "Where ignorance is bliss,'tis folly to be wise"
---1st_cliff on 4/10/13


1st Cliff, Why do you even consider yourself to be a "Bible student" if you're not even going to believe all that is written in it??
---Gordon on 4/10/13


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1stCliff, you can yap all you want but here's only one eternal heaven and one eternal hell (call it what you like, Lake of Fire as the Bible says in Revelation, Gehenna or just hell). For you to say otherwise of such an only eternal place of damnation is, as you would say - a lack of understanding and knowledge of God's wrath which MUST be expressed.

That's why I say, you can go read anything and everything outside of the Holy Bible. But it matters naught, if you don't believe there's only one place of eternal damnation for the reprobates and one place of eternal bliss for the saints.

No one has been to hell and back to write about it, save Jesus Christ.
---christan on 4/9/13


Leon, I believe the scriptures to teach that Christ suffered the wrath of God for us upon the cross!

...In the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

Luke 23:43

Luke 23:46

There are two witnesses. You figure it out!
---trey on 4/9/13


Gordon, If you are gullible enough to believe something just because some one said so then you are not much of a "serious" bible student!
---1st_cliff on 4/9/13


can someone tell me which of the apostles rote the apostle's creed?
---francis on 4/9/13


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1st Cliff, When you get on here and start preaching that the Gospel of LUKE cannot be trusted, you are walking on dangerous ground. What serious Bible student and Follower of GOD is going to trust someone who chops up the Scriptures, as you just did, because something that it said does not conform to what you personally believe? That's as bad as those who preach that the Apostle Paul was a false Apostle. It is Heresy. Try again.
---Gordon on 4/9/13


"Today you will be with me in PARADISE," said Jesus (Luke 23:43). In as much as the Apostle Creed states that Jesus descended into hell and on the third day rose again, Jesus does not say, "Today you will be with me in HELL." Now newer translations of the Apostle's Creed use the word "grave" instead of "hell" as scholars as well as Jehovah Witness say "hell" means "grave".
---bike on 4/9/13


Christian, You display your lack of knowledge citing "Gehenna" as the general conception of "hell"!
Plus luke's parable has no credibility with any of the other bible writers!
If you think for one second that in4 thousand years God never warned His people about a fiery consequence of disobedience ,you're really showing your ignorance!
---1st_cliff on 4/9/13


1stCliff, you can get all the translation about hell from everywhere and it matters naught. What's important is what the Bible says with regards to hell. This is Scripture description:

"...to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched... there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth...

And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue, for I am tormented in this flame.

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."
---christan on 4/8/13


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Christan, You're absolute correct about the hell on Earth being nothing compared to the actual Hell below. Just want to reiterate that Hell and the Lake of Fire are two different and separate places, though. Hell will be temporary and the LOF will last throughout Eternity. Hell itself will be cast into the Lake of Fire. That is, Hell and all it's inhabitants, REVELATION 20:14. :-)
---Gordon on 4/8/13


By the answers on here so far, it appears no one understands the meaning of "hell" translated from four different words with three different meanings!
or the origin of the word itself! "Get understanding"!
---1st_cliff on 4/8/13


YAHUSHUA did experience torments similar to Hell while on the Cross. Thick Darkness for 3 hours. The sensation of being separated from His Father, for the first and only time throughout Eternity, during those dark hours. Excruciating, burning pain shooting throughout His whole Body as it pierced His nervous system. He had difficulty in breathing, by the way He had to breathe. He felt like a Worm, not a Man (PSALM 22), and there are worms in Hell. He cried out as those in Hell do. He was surrounded and mocked by those who hated Him (PSALM 22) as those in Hell are. He took on our Sin, as those in Hell have to bear their own sin for all Eternity. But, when He died and went to the literal Hell, He went to the Paradise side, not the side of Torments.
---Gordon on 4/8/13


Leon the "Hell" that Jesus experienced was the mental and emotional distress he suffered in the garden, the emotional and physical anguish He experienced on the cross, and the state of the dead, a state of in-animation and non awareness that we will all experience in death.
Therefore the answer to both questions is yes, He went to hell on the cross and after He died.
---Josef on 4/8/13


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He was Jesus the Son of God, on the cross. So, if He was in hell, did He burn hell or did hell burn Him?

"For our God is a consuming fire." (Hebrews 12:29)

It says, "Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire," in Revelation 20:14. If "Hades" is another term for "hell", then hell will be burned in the lake of fire.

And will that fire be God our "consuming fire"? I don't think Jesus has ever been burnt (c:
---willie_c: on 4/8/13


The belief was derived from the early church and formalized as the Apostles Creed (c.390AD)

1. I believe in God the Father, Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth:
2. And in Jesus Christ, his only begotten Son, our Lord:
3. Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary:
4. Suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, dead and buried: He descended into hell:
5. The third day he rose again from the dead:
6. He ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty:

Etc.

Some theologians today dispute the belief as unbiblical(Systematic Theology by Wayne Grudem)
---e.lee7537 on 4/7/13


As we sing at this time of year:

In the tomb with the Body,
In Hades/Sheol with the soul,
In Paradise with the Thief,
On the Throne with the Father and the Spirit
Were you, O Christ, filling all things,
Limited by none.

Keep in mind that the "hell" referred to in the Apostle's Creed is NOT the place of eternal punishment, but the abode of the dead, aka Sheol or Hades.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/7/13


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