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Meaining Of Eunuch

In Nikki's blog, "Catholic and Protestant Friends", we just started talking about if the word "eunuch" is correct in certain translations of Matthew 19:12. Is it correct? What does Jesus mean by whatever the word really is? (c:

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LeeJ, you honestly believe you or mark or any man has authority over any and all women here on CN? Talk about really twisting scripture.

Rather than defend the Word of God ...NOT ME, you chose to trash the truth here in favor of this "ol boys club" you all have going.

Yet, when you all do teach lies, none of you will ever come forward and rebuke the liar.....becausehummmmm, men don't lie?

You feel "gender" overrides truth.

LeeJ who has a WOMAN pastor...what a hypocrite and just another SHAME name hung on the wall of SHAME!
---kathr4453 on 4/19/13


//Isn't it also wonderful to know markv is not Christ, and has no authority whatsoever in bleeting out his ignorance in the name of God.
--
It is not hard to see why the Scripture forbids women to have any authority to rule over men in the teaching of God's word.

1 Timothy 2:12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man, rather, she is to remain quiet.


1Corinthians 11:16 If anyone is inclined to be contentious, we have no such practice, nor do the churches of God.

Peace!
---e.lee7537 on 4/19/13


Isn't it wonderful that who we are In Christ and what we are in Christ does not have to pass MarkV's ignorance of inspection or any other human.

Isn't it also wonderful to know markv is not Christ, and has no authority whatsoever in bleeting out his ignorance in the name of God.

His ignorance does not nor ever will bring Glory to God, but only shame.

Markv's shame here has only been a display of total ignorance feeling his personal opinion and emotional immaturity is bring Glory to God.

It's beyond shame really. One who believes he's bringing TRUTH to people doesn't even know the truth, the very elemantary foundation of truth that we, those saved ARE COMPLETE IN HIM..thus sayeth the LORD!
Repent Markv.
---kathr4453 on 4/19/13


Markv, I'm sad that your Calvin never really grounded you in truth, or took you anywhere beyond your flesh.

But you put your faith in Calvin, my faith is in God's word.

I AM complete In Him, and praise God all those in Christ are complete In Him.

Now you admit you are not, and with that markv, you have no business speaking anything in God's name to anyone. You simply are not saved according to your own admission here.

Your ignorance means nothing to me and shouldn't to anyone else here.

Dear Lord, Thank you for finally exposing MarkV as a fraud, someone without the Holy Spirit who after putting GOD's WORD here over and over, still has no EYES TO SEE truth.
---kathr4453 on 4/19/13


Kathr, the eight post you put down, did not make you complete or perfect. You are still the same old Kathr, with the flesh. And you will die because you are not perfect. Just like everyone else. In the Spirit you are counted as saved, if indeed you are, but not in the flesh. The way you answer gives evidence you are very far from perfect. If you put another eight post, it will change nothing.
---Mark_V. on 4/19/13




We ARE complete IN HIM.

Hebrews 10:10-17
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God,

14 For by one offering he hath perfected COMPLETED for ever them that are sanctified.

15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,---

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Praise God
---kathr4453 on 4/18/13


To whom God would make known what is the riches
of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is
Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching
every man in all wisdom, that we may present every man
PERFECT in Christ Jesus:

Colossians 1:27, 28

YOU ARE COMPLETE IN CHRIST if Christ is IN YOU.

This just cannot be re-iterated enough.
---kathr4453 on 4/18/13


On the day of atonement the high priest sprinkled the blood upon the mercy seat SEVEN times. (Leviticus 16:14) This is a picture of the COMPLETENESS of the redemptive work of Christ.
By his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us." (Hebrews 9:12)

We ARE Complete IN HIM. We are a perfect 7 IN CHRIST, whether we are babies, children, young men or Fathers. It has NOTHING to do with achieving sinless perfection here and now. IN CHRIST He sees us as PERFECT IN HIM, because HE IS PERFECT. He IS OUR LIFE.

Even a person who gets saved and dies tomorrow, having never achieved what Markv calls sinless perfection is COMPLETE IN CHRIST.
---kathr4453 on 4/18/13


Since we are CXRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST our old man DIED with Christ. God does not look at our old man flesh man that is dead any longer. He see us as a New Creation IN CHRIST. He sees CHRIST IN US and when He sees Christ IN US, He sees us Complete in Him. WE are a PERFECT 7 "In Christ".

However those who are still a 6, meaning unregenerate unredeemed man, they are the ones who will follow the 666, anti-christ.

you may want to check and make sure MarkV, you are not a 6, but a 7. No elect is a 6.

We have entered HIS REST = 7 once and for all!
---kathr4453 on 4/18/13


MarkV Paul tells us CLEARLY we ARE complete in Him.

I believe Paul, I do not believe YOU. Paul was called by God to give us TRUTH. YOU however were not!

The fact is MarkV YOU do not understand what Paul is saying. I DO! And so do countless Christians.

I'm not interested in your emotional fleshly understanding of scripture.
---kathr4453 on 4/18/13




The problem Markv is you are so full of pride you cannot admit when you are wrong, and go on and on trying to cover your ignorance by making even more ignorant statements.

It is seen by many here over and over, just like you twisted 2 Peter 1 to say what no one said and added your ignorance by saying one believes they are divine.

We are BEING CHANGED as we speak from Glory to Glory by the Spirit of the Lord.

It's HIS WORK markV.

Paul is not talking about GLORIFICATION in that verse.

He's talking about our POSITION IN CHRIST.


We ARE COMPLETE IN HIM. You have NO FAITH in His Word, and call God a LIAR!
---kathr4453 on 4/18/13


francis, it appears again Markv wants to put HIS OWN DEFINITION to perfect and complete, and not use God's definition as scripture states.

It's dangerous for anyone to have their own unsanctifdied mind, bleating this and that, and not the Mind of Christ.

What MarkV also fails to grasp is, not only is Christ IN US, but we are IN HIM. This is a twofold understanding.

So according to MarkV's definition, he's not the Elect, because somehow he has to earn that position, and Christ is not deity.
---kathr4453 on 4/18/13


Mark_V has very very limited understanding of righteousness by faith
---francis on 4/16/13


I totally agree, and that is because Markv does not believe in imputed Righteousness by Faith called JUSTIFICATION. He skips over Justification completely and only sees SAnctification scriptures and then says, SEE SEE only the saves have this or that. But only those Justified first are sanctified. Sanctification belongs to those already saved, not before one is Justified.
---kathr4453 on 4/18/13


Kathr you say:
"This is a fact of our total security IN CHRIST," our security is in Christ. Then say:
" We are members of His Body, New Creations IN CHRIST." we are members of His body spiritually, not in the flesh. Then say,
" Our Righteousness is the Righteousness of Christ alone. There is nothing we can do to add to that righteousness." We were imputed the righteousness of Christ so that we could stand before God, no one can add more righteousness. Then say,
" We are sanctified once and for all through the Body of Christ" We are sanctified which means "to be set apart" once for all. That says nothing about being perfect or complete yet.

---Mark_V. on 4/18/13


This is a fact of our total security IN CHRIST, because we are IN CHRIST. We are members of His Body, New Creations IN CHRIST. Our Righteousness is the Righteousness of Christ alone. There is nothing we can do to add to that righteousness. We are sanctified once and for all through the Body of Christ.
---kathr4453 on 4/17/13

AMEN

Mark_V has very very limited understanding of righteousness by faith
---francis on 4/16/13

He has no idea what it means to be partakers of the divine nature, or that Christ dwells in our hearts by faith, or what it means to have the spirit of God in us by faith.

2 Cor 3:18 we.. are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
---francis on 4/17/13


Kathr, I don't care how many post you put to be heard, it does not change a thing. You are a very good example of a person who is far from been perfect or complete. Now it could be you are not saved, but you claim you are, and if you are saved, you are a poor example of someone who is perfect and complete.
We are saved already, but not complete yet. While in your flesh you will continue to sin as you do. At the resurrection we will be made incorruptable, believers will receive a new body prepared for heaven.
---Mark_V. on 4/18/13


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You "are" complete in Him: This can only be true because Jesus is truly God. If He were not God, we couldnt be complete in Him. Anything that says we are not complete in Him also takes away from the deity of Jesus.

You "are" complete in Him: This is a fact to be enjoyed, not a status to be achieved.

You "are" complete in Him:
This is a fact of our total security IN CHRIST, because we are IN CHRIST. We are members of His Body, New Creations IN CHRIST. Our Righteousness is the Righteousness of Christ alone. There is nothing we can do to add to that righteousness. We are sanctified once and for all through the Body of Christ.

---kathr4453 on 4/17/13


So MarkV, before you say any more here on line, I would suggest you spend time alone with the Lord and the Bible, and maybe a Strongs concordance and study to show yourself approved rightly dividing the word of truth.

You can't really believe yourself one bringing Glory to God if you can't understand scripture. It's dangerous for a baby to throw tantrums like you do, because it not only hurts others but hurts yourself.
---kathr4453 on 4/17/13


No MarkV,, again you fail to read scripture. What I am doing is supplying scripture here where God says we are complete In Him.

So, we see by francis example that you can't read, take scripture then twist it to say what you THINK it isn't saying, adding what you think God is or isn't saying, and rewriting scripture to mean something other than what anyone said.

Markv, do you "BELIEVE" the verses I put here in Colossians? If you say YES, you have faith...if you say NO, you have NO FAITH, and never had FAITH.

Faith is believing God, not your faulty understanding. My faith is not in your faulty understanding markv.
---kathr4453 on 4/17/13


Again MarkV, read the verse, by faith in His Promises we become partakers of HIS DIVINE NATURE,. Just another verse you don't understand because you have no faith or Holy Spirit in you TO understand. No one here claimed to be DIVINE. Francis never said he was divine. He showed how you TWIST people's words to say what they never said.

No longer I but Christ in me. Now we know you are totally daft to this since you have already told us the Holy Spirit REALLY isn't in you and Christ REALLY isn't in you.

You don't see yourself IN CHRIST, because you are not really IN CHRIST.

Again NO FAITH in His Word or Promises.

Markv, you cannot possibly know what salvation is.
---kathr4453 on 4/17/13


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Kathr, so what you are telling everyone is that you are complete? Is that what you are saying? Because that is not what I am hearing from you. You walk in the flesh way more times then in the Spirit. In fact the fruit you have shown is that there is no good fruit. And if no good fruit, you are far from been perfect. Every single day your flesh gets in your way. We are saved already a promise, but it has not happen yet. We are perfect in Christ, a promise, but it hasn't happen yet. This are all promises. When your very sinful flesh dies, and if you have that promise, then and only then will you be made perfect. You got a long ways to go as to your evidence.
---Mark_V. on 4/17/13


Kathr, I'm glad you and francis are enjoying each others company, if you wait a while, you might get more company, for the gate is wide. You both need a lot of help. Something I cannot provide, only God can help you there. Oh, I forgot, you both are Divine already and Kathr is perfect. Just More heresy. Great.
Perfect and Divine people making up stories and calling others name. God must have made a mistake perfecting both of you. Oh, I forgot, with your own free will God does what you tell Him to do. Just another heresy.
---Mark_V. on 4/17/13


Leviticus 21:17 For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: ... or hath his stones broken,

Deuteronomy 23:1 He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

If you wanted to serve God, and be a picture of God and salvation, you HAD to be physically perfect. being castrated would disqualify you

But if you wanted to serve God more fully, you may chose not to be married ( LIKE JESUS AND PAUL)

1 Cor 7:32 He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord:
1 Cor 7:33 But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife.
---francis on 4/17/13


I wonder what this gift of faith was he claims he was given ? That he was re-birthed to be able to see, that he says no one else can see? Yet these very words of God he has no faith in. Faith is believing and taking God at His word, even if we haven't grown up into understanding all that we are IN CHRIST.

Abraham believed God. Yet to Abraham, at that time God promised him a son, he didn't have to see it first, or have Isaac first and then believe. It was the fact that against all possibilities , GOD made a promise, and Abraham believed God.

We show Markv scripture after scripture he openly says he does not believe.

For God so loved the world: Markv responds... ".NO NO GOD DOES NOT LOVE THE WHOLE WORLD."
---kathr4453 on 4/16/13


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Kathr 2: You are far from been complete,
---Mark_V. on 4/16/13

John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one,

Colossians 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

Colossians 4:12 that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God.

Mark_V. he has very very limited understanding of righteousness by faith
---francis on 4/16/13


Well, now that you finished here MArkv, I't evident you do not believe the Word of God, that somehow you know better and know more than Paul. We are COMPLETE "IN HIM." That's all there is to it. And I believe it. We are so much IN HIM, we haven't even tapped into the fullness of it, although it's all there. Complete IN HIM. WE ARE present tense.

I'm sad for you Markv, because you claimed you SAW something before salvation in order to have faith to believe, yet you show over and over you do not believe.

This is about SIN Markv, as we were talking about SIN Markv.
---kathr4453 on 4/16/13


That is what he does. His first mission is to oppose whatever you say than maybe he checks the bible

EXAMPLE:
christians have the divine nature 2 Peter 1:4 that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature,
---francis on 9/13/12
We do not have a divine nature. We only have one nature, sinful human nature,
---Mark_V. on 9/14/12
2 Peter 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the DIVINE NATURE
---francis on 9/14/12
francis, we are partakers of the divine, we are not divine. God only is divine. You are presenting heresy.
---Mark_V. on 9/15/12

you obviously have a learning disability.
---francis on 9/15/12
---francis on 4/16/13


Kathr 2: You are far from been complete, in fact God might have to start from the beginning.
Numbers 14:24) says of Caleb, "My servant Caleb, because he has a different Spirit and has followed Me fully, I will bring him into this land"
Old T. believers enjoyed the constant presence of God's Spirit,
Whither shall I go from Thy Spirit? Or whither shall I flee from Thy presence? Psalm 130:7-10).
Even Pharaoh recognized the indwelling of the Spirit in Joseph (Gen. 41:38) and you cannot. The Spirit was clearly said to be in Joshua (Numbers 27:18) The Spirit was in Daniel (Dan. 4:8: 5:11: 6:3). How about Samuel in (1 Samuel 10:6-9) who got a new heart from God. And only those born of the Spirit get a new heart.
---Mark_V. on 4/16/13


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Colossians 2:9-11

9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:


Notice the word ARE COMPLETE, not will be complete. MarkV, have you ever read the Bible. Really? Have you? and you have never read this, or did you just admit you don't understand it.

No one in the OT PUT OFF the sins of the Flesh before Jesus died for our sin and rose from the dead...

And you think you are a teacher of WHO? The ignorant?
---kathr4453 on 4/16/13


MarkV, your ignorance never ceases to amaze me. And your ranting over your own ignorance is so embarassing to say the least. Believe it or not, I really do hate to see it happening here over and over. You, being so filled with hate for anything I say, makes you so blind as to show just how you really don't know or understand scripture, yet have the audacity to tell people who is saved and who isn't, who is filled with sin and who isn't. BY WHAT authority do you go by, your emotions? Certainly not by God's Word.

Maybe you need to THINK first before trying to bash me. You only are hurting yourself. Nothing you say bothers me MarkV, because you make a fool out of yourself every time you do say something to me.
---kathr4453 on 4/16/13


well, now kathr, I don't agree with myself??? tell me where pleeeeease.
---shira4368 on 4/16/13


Kathr, I will use the words of francis,
"You are just babbling and have no idea what you are talking about" For you say,
"MarkV scripture clearly says the blood of BULLS AND GOATS could NEVER make anyone PERFECT. Perfect here means COMPLETE in Him." So you are DEAD wrong blah, blah, Blah..."
Who said anyone was complete? We are talking about been born of the Spirit. No one is complete yet, not even you. You still have your old sinful nature, (your flesh) that pops out every second. All believers will be complete in Christ after their glorification when they receive their new bodies prepared for heaven.
---Mark_V. on 4/16/13


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Isaiah 44:21_23 "Remember these things, O Jacob, and Israel, for thou art my servant. I have formed thee, thou art my servant, O Israel, forget me not.
I have blotted out thy iniquities as a cloud, and thy sins as a mist: return to me, for I have redeemed thee.
Give praise, O ye heavens, for the Lord hath shewn mercy: shout with joy, ye ends of the earth: ye mountains, resound with praise, thou, O forest, and every tree therein: for the Lord hath redeemed Jacob, and Israel shall be glorified."
---Nana on 4/16/13


I believe it means unbeliever. being a eunuch is a spiritual way of saying you are a sinner. it has to do with our spiritual self.
---shira4368 on 4/13/13

Kathr eunuch is a picture of being born of the Spirit. It does not matter if it is man or woman. If u feel I am wrong then show me scripture saying so. It also implies after we are saved we can't do the things of the world.
---Shira4368 on 4/13/13

Ok I feel so much better now seeing even Shira4368 doesn't agree with Shira4368.
---kathr4453 on 4/16/13


MarkV scripture clearly says the blood of BULLS AND GOATS could NEVER make anyone PERFECT. Perfect here means COMPLETE in Him. So you are DEAD wrong and dead int eh wather of teh Word if you actually believe OT saints had their sin washed away once and for all by bulls and goats.

Your teaching heresy Markv..to the core! You undermine Jesus death and resurrection every way you can.
---kathr4453 on 4/16/13


I am a new testament believer .
---shira4368 on 4/15/13
You are just babbling and have no idea what you are talking about

Acts 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

Acts 17:11 and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Acts 18:28 For he mightily convinced the Jews, [and that] publickly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

The word scripture as used here in context refers ONLY to the writtings of the books of the old testement
---francis on 4/16/13


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francis, I am a new testament believer and I am in a new testament church. the old testament is law and we are now under grace. I feel sorry for you if you can't read God's word and get a spiritual meaning. that goes for old and new testament. spiritual decernment comes from God.
---shira4368 on 4/15/13


Circumcision, on the "8th "day, a type and shadow of the New Birth, the day Jesus rose from the dead, the first day after the 7th.

Shira, you asked me to show you where you were WRONG, I showed you, now YOU get off YOUR high horse, And quit horsing around with scripture. Even eunuch's were used BY MEN for their own pleasure. There is nothing to be romanticized about self mutilation or forced mutilation.

So maybe you heard that from someone, but no scripture backs up your TYPE of New Birth. Our NEW Birth is IN CHRIST, and unless Jesus Himself showed He was castrated after death to cut off our sin that He carried in His Gonads, and not His Body, grow up and stop believing everything you're told.
---kathr4453 on 4/16/13


Our sin is put off when we are crucified with Christ. Being baptized into His death, and then being raised up TOGETHER with Him is our NEW BIRTH.

Entering through the veil, that is to say "His Flesh "is our New Birth.

So those who teach sin is cut off any other way is DENYING THE CROSS, and their identification with Christ in death and resurrection life is heresy. I would expect this from Markv, who denies the Cross and the preaching of the cross, but obviously Shira denies the cross too.

I'll make a note of that Shira.
---kathr4453 on 4/16/13


Shira, I agree because your right. James is wrong. He said Old Testament saints were not born again. Yet they were. The Spirit is Creator and sustainer of life. The New birth brings a new heart for God. Paul taught
"The mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, it does not submit to God's law. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God" "But you are not of the flesh, you are in the Spirit if the Spirit of God really dwells in you" There is two groups of humans, those of the flesh (born of the flesh) and those in the Spirit (born again of the Spirit). All Old T. saints who trusted God and followed His ways in obedience of faith were born again by the Spirit. They submitted to God's law. There is much more.
---Mark_V. on 4/16/13


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Look at what the bible has to say about men who were castrated, and even men with injuries to their private parts

Leviticus 21:17 Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God.
For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: ... or hath his stones broken,

Deuteronomy 23:1 He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

NOT A PICTURE OF SALVATION

So shira4368 and Mark_V. you are just as wrong as can be and NOT NO SCRIPTURE to back you up
---francis on 4/15/13


markv, thanks for your support. I knew what eunuch meant even tho others told me I was crazy. james l.I never said anything about the old testament. when God sees me, he sees His Son's blood. I am under His Wing, which means I am covered under His Wing and that means I am protected...if you can understand that....markv, we may not agree on some things but we finally found one we can agree on. again thanks, I was beginning to think I was the only person in the world that used a spiritual meaning of eunuch.
---shira4368 on 4/15/13


kathr, get off your high horse. no one is sucking up to anyone here. you can bet I don't suck up to ANYONE. its a shame you didn't know what we were talking about concerning a eunuch. kathr, let me ask you this. did you suck up to me when you agreed with me on another blog? just wondering. the bible is a spiritual book and I can relate to spiritual things all thru God's Word.
---shira4368 on 4/15/13


Eusebius reported that Origen, following Matthew 19:12 literally, castrated himself. This story was accepted during the Middle Ages and was cited by Peter Abelard in his letters to Heloise. Edward Gibbon, in his work The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, also accepts this story as true.

So it would appear even Origen did not see this as a TYPE of New Birth, but took the verse to read in it's literal sense.
---kathr4453 on 4/15/13


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kathr, circumcision is in the new testament. its another one of those spiritually decerned things.
---shira4368 on 4/15/13


JamesL, I asked a blog question months ago about "covering verses Washed" away, and it was surprising just how many here online didn't understand it and still don't. It surprises me that those who don't still believe themselves great teachers of God's Word. Gosh, if one cannot grasp the elementary things, how can they possible believe they are teaching any MEAT!
---kathr4453 on 4/15/13


Children were sometimes castrated so that they would maintain a high-pitched singing voice and a greater vocal range - these are known as "castrati".
Markv needs desperately to suck up to Shira because he is loosing favor with her.

Gee wiz, markv, talk talk talk but no scripture to back up. You can't just make anything a TYPE because your overactive imagination feels like it.

Paul made fun of the Legalists in Galatians stating he wished they would go ahead and just castrate/mutilate themselves...and never came back and TYPED it with the new Birth in any way shape or form. Circumcision is that of the heart and your testicles are not your heart! Although some nuts here may think so.
---kathr4453 on 4/15/13


\\I have not said anything about Old Testament at all.\\
---shira4368 on 4/15/13

You said a LOT about the Old Testament when you said your sins are covered by the blood of Jesus. Covering is what the blood of OT bulls and goats did

But the blood of bulls and goats could never remove sins (Heb 10:4)

Read Leviticus 16:6-11 about the bulls and goat, what each one was for.

Bull was for purification, and access to the Holy of Holies

first goat was to die for guilt.

The second goat to take the sins away

ALL were symbols fulfilled in the reality of Christ

He ACTUALLY provided access
He ACTUALLY paid for guilt
He ACTUALLY removed sins

And that is a New Covenant phenomenon
---James_L on 4/15/13


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Shira, I agree with your answer when you said,
Eunuch means castration which is so simple to understand. Our sins are castrated when we are saved. Like I said it is a clear picture of salvation." The eunuch castration was a type to the real Type when Jesus who castrated your sins. Another was of saying took away your sins. Kathr then said:
"What you are saying is YOU have the power to castrate your own sin." In which you never said that. Then James L jump in saying that Old Testament saints were not born of the Spirit. And gave no Scripture to show they were not. Maybe he forgot that salvation in the Old Testament is the same as in the New Testament.
---Mark_V. on 4/15/13


James l, Old Testament saints believed in God and God counted that for righteousness. I don't know why you are addressing saints of the Old Testament with my name attached. I have not said anything about Old Testament at all.
---shira4368 on 4/15/13


Our sins are castrated when we are saved. Like I said it is a clear picture of salvation.
---shira4368 on 4/13/13

LOL LOL LOL
AHH what can I say, a clear case for grape juice rather than fermented grape juice at communion

But on a lighter note
When I see a good valid post from you, I always say good post keep it up

francis, I know God's power can keep us from sin but still our flesh sins and so does yours. we must stay in prayer and away from things that show our weaknesses.
---shira4368 on 3/28/13
good post, keep it up
---francis on 3/29/13
---francis on 4/15/13


Isaiah 56:3-5
Let no eunuch complain, I am only a dry tree. For this is what the Lord says:

To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who choose what pleases me and hold fast to my covenant to them I will give within my temple and its walls a memorial and a name better than sons and daughters, I will give them an everlasting name that will endure forever.

Matthew 19:12 there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the Kingdom of Heavens sake.

Matthew 5:29-30 repeated 18:8
If your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go to hell. It is better for you to lose one part than for your whole body to go to hell.
---born on 4/15/13


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Thank you JamesL for explaining covered, OT, before the cross, and washed away in Christ, at the cross, NT GRACE.

Shira, the point you are making is either SELF denial, SELF sanctification, all SELF, as even Paul never referred to himself as a eunuch, not even spiritually.

And if you're using Matthew as your reference point, again Matthew is not about GRACE, or even about the CROSS, but how life will be under Kingdom Law.

I prefer the teachings of GRACE and the CROSS. I find you can't mix GRACE with LAW, even Kingdom LAW.
---kathr4453 on 4/15/13


\\Kathr, when God sees me He sees I am covered by the blood of Jesus Christ.\\
---shira4368 on 4/14/13

Do you know that if your sins are only "covered" then you will not enter heaven?

Jesus' blood REMOVES sins.

You like "old school" hymns? Read some

--What can WASH AWAY my sins, nothing but the blood of Jesus

--Are you WASHED, in the blood, in the SOUL CLEANSING blood of the lamb...


Why do you think OT saints couldn't say that to absent from the body is to be present with the Lord? Their sins hadn't been removed yet. They were not born again
---James_L on 4/14/13


---shira4368 on 4/13/13
Matthew 19:9 Whosoever shall put away his wife, except for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery:

Matthew 19:11 All men cannot receive this saying,

Some men are born eunuchs, they have no sexual desire, they never get married, some men are castrated they have no desire for marriage, some men ( and this is where NIKKI is correct) choose not to be married in order to serve God

1 Cor 7:32 But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord

Paul in his ministry was not married

many Catholic priest in their ministry are not married

to these people divorce is NOT AN ISSUE
---francis on 4/14/13


Kathr, when God sees me He sees I am covered by the blood of Jesus Christ. Gods Spirit lives in me and I live in this body that is corrupt. Many things have one meaning but many spiritual applications. As smart as you make everyone think you are should know that.
---shira4368 on 4/14/13


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Nuts to that Shira, sins can never be castrated. We died to sin when we died with Christ and rose again a New Creature. Sin itself never dies, and the "cutting off" of the flesh as is circumcision a type of the cutting off of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ.

What you are saying is YOU have the power to castrate your own sin. That is LEGALISM. And we know Jesus never taught any such new birth illustrating castration. He taught it through circumcision, today SPIRITUAL CIRCUMCISION in putting off ALL the old man, not just his testicles. Colossians 2 explains perfectly.
---kathr4453 on 4/14/13


Francis why do you feel the need to discount every thing I say. Again you are wrong. If it isn't adultery then to the single person it is fornication. The scripture you gave has nothing to do with eunuch. Eunuch means castration which is so simple to understand. Our sins are castrated when we are saved. Like I said it is a clear picture of salvation.
---shira4368 on 4/13/13


I agree with Born here.


Remember, These are Kingdom Law scriptures. Also stated is poking out the eyes or cutting off the hand if it offends. That's how harsh living under Kingdom Law will be those1000 years.

However the Church is not under Kingdom Law, and will never be subjugated to it. We are going to reign and rule with Christ at that time already Glorified With Christ......that is those who have already been spiritually Circumcised with Christ, and raised up a NEW CREATURE, not a mutilated one.
---kathr4453 on 4/14/13


Francis what bible did you use to when quoting the bible?
---shira4368 on 4/14/13


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Matthew 19:9 Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Matthew 19:10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with [his] wife, it is not good to marry.
Matthew 19:11 But he said unto them, DIVORCE AND ADULTERY IS NOT AN ISSUE FOR EVERY ONE, ONLY FOR MARRIED PEOPLE
Matthew 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were CASTRATED BY men: and there be eunuchs, which have CHOSEN NOT TO GET MARRIED for the kingdom of heaven's sake.

not a picture of born again, but rather of those to whom divorce is not an issue
---francis on 4/13/13


I take it literal. Jesus said if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. Better that one part enter hell than that the whole body go there. So some men have chosen to make themselves eunuchs for a better resurrection. Even Tesla found the little tesla a hindrance and excelled in his decision.
---born on 4/13/13


What is involved with castration?

Surgical removal involves making a cut in the scrotum (the skin surrounding the testicles) and physically removing the testicles. Woman it would be a hysterectomy.


Gosh, even Israel was not asked to castrate anyone, but to be circumcised.

Today, the only requirement and type of salvation is found in Colossians 2...where circumcision is a type of putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ. We are the TRUE Circumcision, Philippians 3, not the true castrated.

To be circumcised with the circumcision of Christ , made without hands, is a type of our spiritual Birth.

The Eunuch in Acts, was a eunuch before he was saved .
---kathr4453 on 4/13/13


Shira, in acts, Philip witnessed to a eunuch from Ethiopia, so I believe it is a person who was castrated. We are not castrated when we are saved. Only men, and male cattle, horses or whatever are castrated.

Those who were in service to Kings etc, were, to ensure they would not fool around with the wives, daughters etc of the Kings household.

I've never heard of it as being used as a TYPE of salvation. So if it is, I just learned something new today.

Thanks.
---kathr4453 on 4/13/13


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"Can a woman be a eunuch? Do we see any eunuch women in scripture?
---kathr4453 on 4/13/13 "

Luke 2:37 "and then as a widow until she was eighty-four. She did not depart from the temple, worshiping with fasting and prayer night and day."

! Tim 5:5 "She who is truly a widow, left all alone, has set her hope on God and continues in supplications and prayers night and day"
---chria9396 on 4/13/13


Nikki is 100% correct,
---francis on 4/13/13
Judges 11:37 And she said unto her father, Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my VIRGINITY, I and my fellows.

Judges 11:38 And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her VIRGINITY upon the mountains.

Luke 2:36 And there was one Anna, a prophetess,.. And she [was] a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day.

1 Cor 7:32 But I would have you without carefulness. He (or she) that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord:
---francis on 4/13/13


Kathr eunuch is a picture of being born of the Spirit. It does not matter if it is man or woman. If u feel I am wrong then show me scripture saying so. It also implies after we are saved we can't do the things of the world.
---Shira4368 on 4/13/13


Nikki is 100% correct, the word does not mean one castrated, but rather one who has set himself aside to do the word of God, forsaking all women

Leviticus 21:17 Whosoever [he be] of thy seed in their generations that hath [any] blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God.
For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: ... or hath his stones broken,

Deuteronomy 23:1 He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

So you could not in Jesus day be castrated in order to serve more effectively
---francis on 4/13/13


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Nikki, I double-checked a Greek source to see what in Greek it could have meant. And it does mean someone who has been "castrated".

However, I do understand Jesus can mean something not physically but with a spiritual meaning. Also, His use in each case can have a different meaning > made by men would be physical.

It says the eunuch could be a bed chamber person . . . someone who could not be immoral with someone's wife. Like this, then, it could mean someone Jesus can trust not to abuse His people while caring for them (1 Peter 5:3).
---willie_c: on 4/13/13


It's possible when we are a New Creature Glorified in heaven we may then all be eunuch's, since we are going to be neither male or female.
---kathr4453 on 4/13/13


Can a woman be a eunuch? Do we see any eunuch women in scripture?
---kathr4453 on 4/13/13


nikki, a eunuch a picture of salvation. when we believe in Christ, we should have our worldly ways no more. we need to see things in a spiritual light. it is ok to know its literally happened but God wants us to be his own and not go seeking after "other" gods.
---shira4368 on 4/13/13


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Nikki, you had stated earlier that in matt 19:12 eunuch is an improper insertion. What should be there?---aka on 4/8/13

I am sorry, I should have explained.
'A eunuch is a man who (by the common definition of the term) may have been castrated..' As if God's grace wasn't enough to keep one celibate.

Matt 19:3-12 Starts with some Pharisees giving any reason for divorce. When they hear Jesus say no divorce.(unless unlawful marriage) they get smart saying one shouldn't marry if they can't drop the lady for their own desires.
Jesus goes one step further (in my opinion) in Verse 12
Not for ones own desire but for the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN and one must use the Grace given to them if God calls them to such a office.---Nikki on 4/8/13
---Nikki on 4/13/13


I believe it means unbeliever. being a eunuch is a spiritual way of saying you are a sinner. it has to do with our spiritual self.
---shira4368 on 4/13/13


"Is it correct?" Yes.
<"What does Jesus mean"?
Willie He means that "an emasculated man, one naturally incapacitated for marriage or begetting children." Or "one who voluntarily abstains from marriage", Has fewer worries or concerns then one who has a wife and children. Paul puts it this way."He who is unmarried cares for the things of the Lord - how he may please the Lord. But he who is married cares about the things of the world - how he may please his wife." 1Cr 7:32,33.
Mat 19:12 is emphasizing the "eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake."
---Josef on 4/12/13


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