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Chemicals Make Us Evil

Some psychologists today believe that people commit evil deeds due to the lack of a chemical called oxytocin in our system. If that is really true, then to what extent are we responsible for our own misdeeds?

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---Mark_V. if God created some to be saved, then he created the rest to be lost. There is no third option
---francis on 8/12/13


MarkV Peter was not speaking for Satan...oh for pete sakes, just another verse markv has twisted to use against another.

Peter did not know at that time Jesus was going to the cross, who was for-ordained to die and rise again. Peter spoke in ignorance wanting to protect Jesus. The Lord knew that.

MarkV YOU are not Jesus. Maybe that is your real problem here, you actually believe you are Jesus.

Some things cannot be transferred over to use to attack another. This verse certainly is one. Please learn how to properly use scripture MarkV. What a comedy of errors!
---kathr4453 on 8/12/13


God never loses His children.
---Mark_V. on 8/12/13
And yet some will depart from teh faith
You thus do not know if you were predestined, or if you will depart

You do not know if you are a child of God

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother
---francis on 8/12/13


Elder, do you remember when Jesus told Peter, "get behind me Satan" it was because Peter at the moment was been a speaker for Satan. You turned out to do the very thing he did. For no one who is a brother to another say the things you have said about me to others and to me.
I guess having a free will, been autonomous, gives you the right to say what you want. But you are not autonomous. You cannot hide from God. No one can. You don't have to answer to me, but to God. All I am commanded to do is to give you the Truth. You hate the truth so much, it evidently brought out the real you.
---Mark_V. on 8/12/13


Mark you issue more distortion, mistruth and lies.
If your misconception was correct you still wouldn't be one of the elect because of Rev 21:8.
You change people comments, lie, distort Gospel truth and then try to act like you know something.
We went through the many Eloys on CN but you are the worse. I think you are empowered by Satan and have nothing in the Blood of Christ. So, Yes, by the Blood of Christ I rebuke you. This includes your perversion of God Word.
You are no more than a dissembler and will never be more. That is a complement for you.
---Elder on 8/11/13




francis, you say,
"That is because the predestination you teach is garbage" It's garbish to those who want to take the glory away from God for their salvation.
Then say,
"If God has predestined some to be lost, then it is God who will remove them from the faith so that they can be lost" God never loses His children. Those who fall from the faith, never committed their lives to Christ. If they had, they would be God's Children. And God doesn't lose His children.
Then say,
" But If Man has free will, then it is man who chooses to depart from the faith and be lost" man doesn't have free will, those that fall from the faith were never saved. Those who endure to the end are saved.
---Mark_V. on 8/12/13


---Mark_V. on 8/11/13

That is because the predestination you teach is garbage

If God has predestined some to be lost, then it is God who will remove them from the faith so that they can be lost

BUT

If Man has free will, then it is man who chooses to depart from the faith and be lost
---francis on 8/11/13


francis, you say,
"because the bible says: 1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils," Notice what the Bible says "some will depart from the faith" Now notice what you said,
"So you may be one of those who God made with the purpose of burning in hell,and God will remove you from the faith to be burnt in" You now say God will remove you from the faith. So does God remove them are is the passage correct? "Some will depart from the faith"? I don't see God removing them from the faith. Why contradict the Word of God? You make some very dumb comments about God.
---Mark_V. on 8/11/13


You are correct! The elect are the chosen of God in Christ before the foundation of the world.
---trey on 8/10/13
So then God created some people with the goal of saving them from hell fire, and other with the purpose of burning them in hell fire, and none can choose whether he wants to be saved or to be burned.

Which mean that you have no way of knowing if God made you to be saved or to be burned.

because the bible says: 1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils,
So you may be one of those who God made with the purpose of burning in hell,and God will remove you from the faith to be burnt in hell
---francis on 8/10/13


Brother Trey, what you said is very true. Unless God opens their eyes and ears and gives them a heart to perceive, they will always be at enmity against God.
But I continue for one reason, not to convince them, it is not possible, but to teach others who are only reading, because God might want to reveal something they never thought about and they will check for themselves, and all God commands us to do is to present the Truth. From there on He does what He wants with the Truth. Don't worry about the stabs you might get from others, most all of the free willers do the very same thing. Answer the same way, and support each other no matter what differences they might have on other matters. Peace brother
---Mark_V. on 8/10/13




MarkV, reading these posts is exactly why I quit blogging for a while. I became so discouraged by the amount of biblical ignorance and blindness.

You are correct! The elect are the chosen of God in Christ before the foundation of the world. Eph 1:4, Rom 8:28-30, 1 Peter 1:2, etc. Your critics do not understand Rom 9:11, and have no clue what 2nd Sam 23:5 is even speaking about. They do not realize that Psalms 139:16 speaks of the Lamb's Book of Life.

Unless God opens their eyes they will never see.
---trey on 8/10/13


Elder 3: Jesus tells us,
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him" (John 6:44). You say it is not true, they come all the time with their own free will.
Jesus says to them,
"But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep" and say, "My sheep hear My voice and I know them, and they follow Me" (John 10:26,27). You say the lost can hear His voice and follow Him. That Jesus is wrong again. The disciples asked, who can be saved? "Jesus looked at them and said to them, With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible" You say wrong Jesus, with men it is possible if he uses his free will.
---Mark_V. on 8/10/13


Elder, insulting me will not help you?,
"Mark will not answer any of the scripture questions that others and I ask him. Why?" The fact is you lied concerning the word of God. Don't try to turn it around.
Then say,
"It is plain to see he doesn't understand how to divide the Word of truth." Show me what I don't understand, don't just talk, talk is cheap. You say, the lost seek after God. Scripture tells us, the lost do not seek after God, you insist the Bible is wrong.
The Word says, the lost do not understand, you reject the Truth again and claim they understand very much. Jesus says, salvation is impossible with man, you say Jesus is wrong, it is possible when lost man uses his free will.
---Mark_V. on 8/10/13


Elder lets see who divides the word of God. you say,
"Mark why does the Bible tell men to seek the Lord while He may be found? Read Matt 6:33 & 7:7-14 here God gave Mark a chance to choose the broad gate which I think he did."
In the context, Jesus was speaking to the disciples, not the unbelievers, why?
because (v. Matt 6:26) Jesus say their Father is the Heavenly Father. That is why only believers seek after God. Read (John 8:42) where Jesus tells the Jews,
"Jesus said to them, If God were your Father you would love Me, For I proceed forth and came from God" So the people that Jesus was speaking to in (Matt. 6:33 and Matt. 7:7-14) were believers already. Only they seek after God.
---Mark_V. on 8/10/13


Poor old Mark, again he cannot think on his own. The elect are chosen ones to a ministry/job.
Mark will not answer any of the scripture questions that others and I ask him. Why?
It is plain to see he doesn't understand how to divide the Word of truth.
He runs all over everywhere trying to make a point with misquotes. He even thinks God picked him out of a crowd to save him and let better ones go to Hell.
Mark why does the Bible tell men to seek the Lord while He may be found? Read Matt 6:33 & 7:7-14 here God gave Mark a chance to choose the broad gate which I think he did.
---Elder on 8/9/13


markv, you don't understand who the elect are. all humans are the elect from the foundations of the world. I have shown you verses and you still don't believe. I dust my feet off.
---shira4368 on 8/9/13


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Again a shot gun approach by Elder because I told him he did not have free will, and that God was not a weak God, hoping and praying that sinful man will love HiM and choose Him. God saves whosoever He wants. He says,
"The "Elect" here are saints in this time chosen to do a work." all saints are chosen to do the work of God. Sometimes God uses a non saint, but the Holy Spirit is given to everyone that believes, and only the elect believes.
Then say,
" Who are the "elect" in this passage?" The elect in this passages and on all passages are those chosen by God before the foundation of the world to be saved. His sheep, His elect, His people, His saints, the ones He has mercy on.
---Mark_V. on 8/9/13


amen bro. elder. I still learn a lot from you. is there any way we can get a scientist to transfer your knowledge from your brain to mine? this is the reason I love you and jareldeen so much. you are both teachers as well.
---shira4368 on 8/9/13


For false christ and false prophets will rise
---Mark_V. on 8/8/13
Big deal
Weed them out!!
God has given us a standard to weed out all false teachers and all false prophets


Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
---francis on 8/8/13


For false christ and false prophets will rise
---Mark_V. on 8/8/13

Can't fool the elect
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

You can talk till youa re blue in theface, the lect know that if you rejectthe law or testimony of God you are nto of God

Revelation 14:12 the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

take till you are green in the face, the lect know that of you talk against the ten commandments of God you are not of God
---francis on 8/8/13


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Again, more misquotes from Mark while he uses the "shotgun" approach to error. Matt 24 is speaking about the great Tribulation period, Matt 24:21. The "Elect" here are saints in this time chosen to do a work.
To further prove this view is correct, do we see the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place Matt 24:15 at this present time?
Who are the "elect" in this passage?
The elect are those who are all ready saved elected to a work not to be saved.
The John 10 passage is in the Age of Grace. The sheep in His fold are an illustration of those saved ones.
---Elder on 8/8/13


francis, you asked me a question after I said,
""Those books can be understood only by the lost. They can be fooled over and over. But not one of the elect"Mark_V. on 5/1/13
What are you quoting here? is this your own unsupported opinion?"


No francis, read (Matt. 24:24)
"For false christ and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, 'If possible even the elect" It is not possible francis. Know why?
"And when He brings out His own sheep, He goes before them, and the sheep follow Him, for they know his voice, yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him." (John 10:4,5).
---Mark_V. on 8/8/13


Family, as I read the below post of the Servant, not know if he still around.
( I say this with all respect)
I believe
Some, people are born
or Later so became emotionally disabled to the point
they are not mentally, able to function at any level to know & be aware of their "sins or bad things" this is possible, they could be so far gone mentally they do not know right or wrong nor what is inappropiate .. I believe maybe God in His mercy, forgives them, maybe has a special dept. In heaven for them...just a thought!
Responses welcome
We learn from one another,bless us to be helpers,share knowledge not hatred... thankyou,Moderators!
Love of Jesus!

---lidia4796 on 8/5/13


As God is love, He would not judge us for things that were not our fault. If this chemical were responsible, then you could argue that the religious leaders of Israel were not responsible for Christ's crucifixion. Every evil act is made by our choices, and without salvation, we are all accountable. I would like to see anyone tell God that they should be in heaven because He made them chemically imbalanced.
---A_servant on 7/2/13


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I am going to put this on here! That is a bunch of bunk! These people don't believe in God! Because if they did, they would know that demons are the culprit. I dare anyone to stand before God on judgment day and tell Him chemicals made me do it! Because some shrink said so.
---Catherne on 7/1/13


---Mark_V. if you intend to be a critic one way or the other of books, in order to make any sense to those reading what you post, you MUST by all means, post a direct quote from the persosn whom you are being a critic, and then come out pro or con, and give your reasons.

In the case of ELlen White, give your biblical scriptures that may contradict what she wrote


"Those books can be understood only by the lost. They can be fooled over and over. But not one of the elect"Mark_V. on 5/1/13
What are you quoting here? is this your own unsupported opinion?
---francis on 5/1/13


francis, you want me to quote what E.G. White said but you have the answers already, you've read them. It's what you know and belief. Did you not read what I said? Here it is,
". Those books can be understood only by the lost. They can be fooled over and over. But not one of the elect." The elect cannot be fooled on the things she says. Sure some of it is Scripture but the rest is not. You have to remember she was hit in the head with a rock, was in a coma, then started seen visions. She also was in cahoots with Charles T. Russell who also had visions. You do know that almost all cults had people with visions, Mohammah had visions, do did the Mormons with John Smith, Jim Jones, David K. Doesn't that tell you something?
---Mark_V. on 5/1/13


Good writings when you don't know a thing about the word of God.
---Mark_V. on 4/25/13

we are required to test everything with the word of God.
---Mark_V. on 4/26/13

Having said that this is where you would have posted something from Ellen White to test against the word of God.

What made the post mute is that you did not post anything from any of those books I mentioned which you claimed to have which should be tested against the word of God

So unless you can post something directly from one of those books and then show it is contrary to scripture, saying that her writings are good only if you do not know the word is mute

I don't know if you understand what I am saying
---francis on 4/27/13


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francis, my answer is mute to you because it is the Word of God in (1 Thess. 1:5). It is the Word of God and you should be able to understand it if you are in the Spirit. Need help? Ask your brother Jerry.
---Mark_V. on 4/27/13


-Mark_V. on 4/26/13

YOU DO UNDERSTAND THAT UNLESS YOU GIVE SPECIFICALLY EXAMPLES, YOUR POST IS MUTE
---francis on 4/26/13


francis, we are required to test everything with the word of God. The lost have no understanding. They can be fooled real easy. The reason they are lost. No amount of Scripture truth will penetrate their hearts unless God opens their hearts to receive the Truth. The word has to come to them, not only in word, but with power and the Holy Spirit. And that is the Work of God. (1 Thess. 1:5).
"Knowing beloved brethren, your election by God. For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also with power, and the Holy Spirit, and in much assurance...,"
---Mark_V. on 4/26/13


Good writings when you don't know a thing about the word of God. ---Mark_V. on 4/25/13

Now this is the place where you quote from one of her books directly, and say why you dissagree with it, and cite a bible passage or two that supports your views.
---francis on 4/25/13


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francis, for your information, I have all the volumes of her blue books, everyone you mentioned. I've had them for over twenty years. Good writings when you don't know a thing about the word of God. Just like the witnesses The New Word translation. Those books can be understood only by the lost. They can be fooled over and over. But not one of the elect.
---Mark_V. on 4/25/13


What do you think?
---Mark_V. on 4/25/13
Christians must at all cost avoid hearsay ( GOSSIP). When we say what we hear, and not what we know, then we cannot have an intellegent conversation at all

Read any of Ellen White books and then make comments

Steps to Christ
Patriarchs and Prophets
The Great Controversy
The Desire of Ages
The Acts of The Apostles
Prophets and Kings
Education
Christ's Object Lessons
---francis on 4/25/13


francis, didn't E.G.White get hit on the head by a big rock? That must have been why she had visions. She was buddy buddies with Charles T. Russell from the Witnesses. What do you think?
---Mark_V. on 4/25/13


e.lee7537 on 4/23/13

so this blog is going nowhere fast, what shall we change it to:
1: Ellen white's advise on diet
2: What the bible has to say about eating clean and unclean food in the NT
3: Will we be keeping sabbath in the new earth
4: When wes the sanctuary cleansed
5: Who is Michael the Arch Angel: is he really Jesus
6: Seventh-day Adventist in general
---francis on 4/24/13


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Jesus said that what goes into the stomach does not defile
---e.lee7537 on 4/23/13

Leviticus 11:42 Whatsoever goeth upon the belly, and whatsoever goeth upon [all] four, or whatsoever hath more feet among all creeping things that creep upon the earth, them ye shall not eat, for they [are] an abomination.
.. that ye should be defiled thereby.
Again you think Jesus is teaching contrary to scripture

Matthew 15:20 These are [the things] which defile a man: but to eat with UNWASHEN hands defileth not a man.
---francis on 4/24/13


Francis I don't bother to learn Helen white comments. I've learned enough about her. I like to learn what God says.
---shira_4368 on 4/23/13


// have been instructed that flesh-meat has a tendency to animalize the nature...

yes, it is all too easy to see that you really do not believe what Jesus said that what goes into the stomach does not defile one but what comes out of the heart.

If meat made one prone to acquire the nature of an animal, then why did God command the priest of the temple to eat meat?

It is all too easy to see why so many that become Adventists quit after a few years once they get a douse of olde Ellen White.

And what can we say of those who goose-step behind Ellen? They really have no discernment.
---e.lee7537 on 4/23/13


Everyone is talking about what Ellen White said, but no quote
So let's see, is this the quote?

I have been instructed that flesh-meat has a tendency to animalize the nature, to rob men and women of that love and sympathy which they should feel for every one, and to give the lower passions control over the higher powers of the being. If meat eating was ever healthful, it is not safe now. Cancers, tumors, and pulmonary diseases are largely caused by meat eating.
---francis on 4/23/13


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Daniel 1:8 But Daniel purposed in his heart that he would not defile himself with the portion of the king's meat,

Daniel 1:12 Prove thy servants, I beseech thee, ten days, and let them give us pulse to eat, and water to drink.


Daniel 1:15 And at the end of ten days their countenances appeared fairer and fatter in flesh than all the children which did eat the portion of the king's meat.


Daniel 1:20 And in all matters of wisdom and understanding, that the king enquired of them, he found them ten times better than all the magicians and astrologers that were] in all his realm.
---francis on 4/23/13


//If ellen white was a rector scale she wouldn't even register 0. please don't give her credit for knowing Jesus Christ.
---
Practically no one outside of Adventism recognizes Ellen White except for what she really was - one of many many many visionaries and like some others with her husband James was a charlatan who made money off her plagiarized books.

If you really like a laugh on some of the things she believed view MM outreach, a ministry reaching out to cults and aberrant Christian movements.
---e.lee7537 on 4/23/13


If SDA believe that eating meat would lead to taking on a beast's nature,
---1stcliff on 4/21/13

So do you have an actual quote from a SDA or from Ellen g white?

ACTUAL AUOTE not hear say

1 Timothy 5:13 And withal they learn [to be] idle, wandering about from house to house, and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not.
---francis on 4/23/13


If ellen white was a rector scale she wouldn't even register 0. please don't give her credit for knowing Jesus Christ.
---shira4368 on 4/22/13


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There is a link between acts of cruelty to animals and violence toward humans .
---francis on 4/22/13


1stcliff //I'll have to ask Mr.Potato head!

---
LOL!!!!!
Yes, there is nothing in the Bible that forbids one to eat meat nor is there anything that can be inferred that eating meat makes one prone to sin.

Even the priests ate meat in their temple ceremonies.

While Jesus ate meat (Passover lamb), Ellen White infers that maybe even Jesus could have been made to sin.

Recommend: Prophetess of Health, A study of Ellen G. White, 3rd Edition, by Ronald L. Numbers. Yet another glazing exposure of the beliefs of olde Ellen White.

Sometimes I really feel pity for Adventists as they clearly have a very hard time defending her and her crazy beliefs.

STUPID IS AS STUPID BELIEVES.
---e.lee7537 on 4/22/13


1 Cliff, what you said was so funny. I was waiting for an answer to my comment and you come out with Mr. Potato Head. Now that was funny. I never read that part about E.G.White, I am sure she taught a whole lot more to the SDA's.
---Mark_V. on 4/22/13


If SDA believe that eating meat would lead to taking on a beast's nature,maybe that would explain they're vegitative state???
I'll have to ask Mr.Potato head!
---1stcliff on 4/21/13


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And to think that some believe not only chemicals themselves cause one to commit evil deeds, but there are those who believe what is in meat will make one prone to evil.

"...if we subsist largely upon the flesh of dead animals, we shall partake of their nature". Ellen White, Counsels on Diet ..on p. 390

But what does the Bible teach?

Eat anything that is sold in the meat market, without asking questions for conscience' sake." ( 1 Cor. 10:25).

Obviously no vegetarians evident in the early church!

Sorry but the sooner Adventists learn how foolish Ellen White was, the sooner they get on with the business of leading others to Christ.
---e.lee7537 on 4/21/13


some people are mean and evil if they don't get their chemicals. drugs are rampant in our society and if the addict don't get them, they are mean and they do things they shouldn't do just to get one fix. our society is sick and needs a healing from our Heavenly Father.
---shira4368 on 4/21/13


1Cliff, why do you deny the Spiritual things of God? You see it written down, and you read, but you do not believe it by faith. Why? And when you give an explanation you give it from the flesh point of view not from the spiritual point of view, as the world does. you even said, ask any coroner," if the coroner is not saved, how can he speak of spiritual truth?

Read the passage again, "And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, Receive the Holy Spirit." He breathed on them, and then said to them receive the Holy Spirit. He did not say He was breathing the Holy Spirit into them. He breathed on them.
---Mark_V. on 4/21/13


eLee, John.20.22 "And with that,he breathed on them and said"Recieve the Holy Spirit".
Now let's see you deny that scripture!
---1st_cliff on 4/19/13


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//eLee,It's a much better explanation than any of you superfine uninformed apostles!

---
Nay, I disagree as if spirit = breath, then the Holy Spirit is the Holy Breath?

I then you best go back and study this issue in more detail.
---e.lee7537 on 4/18/13


eLee,It's a much better explanation than any of you superfine uninformed apostles!
God breathed into the nostrils of Adam to begin his life,at his last breath he died at which time his breath returned to God who gave it! It had no personality,memory or any of the attributes of Adam!
---1st_cliff on 4/18/13


//Ah but it's the spirit that survives..,our superfine apostles will say,.your last breath translated from Gr. (pneuma),breath,air wind. How long does that survive?? (It disapates)

So when Jesus gave up His Spirit into the hand of God the Father, all the Father got was a puff of air?

Lu 23:46 Then Jesus, calling out with a loud voice, said, Father, into your hands I commit my breath! And having said this he breathed his last.

Me doubts if you really know enough about this subject to have an authoritative opinion.
---e.lee7537 on 4/18/13


Strange here how people change their tune,
First they try to say that you have a soul inside you (the real you) that escapes death, Then have to admit that our brain controls our thoughts and actions and personality.
Ask any coronor if the brain survives death and the answer will always be NO!

Ah but it's the spirit that survives..,our superfine apostles will say,.your last breath translated from Gr. (pneuma),breath,air wind. How long does that survive?? (It disapates)

What survives is the memory God has of you (if you're written in the book)
---1st_cliff on 4/18/13


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Cluny: While I understand what you mean, you, as a Christian, have less need to worry about that.

We are ANYWAY to be forgiving, and we are not the judges who will condemn them (someone who may have such a problem) to be whatever punishment.

We are not the ones who will punish them

God will

We should only just remember that God knows FAR MORE than we do

O Theos mazi sou
---Peter on 4/17/13


\\(I realize that that everything on this show should be taken as absolute truth.)\\

Please allow me to correct this statement.

(I realize that that NOT everything on this show should be taken as absolute truth.)

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/17/13


Christan //am I to understand from your congressman story that he is then not to be blamed for what he did with the women?
----
Like old Adam in the garden blaming his wife for his own actions, it is typical of man not to own up to their own actions.

While such things as stress, hunger, deprivation, alcohol, prescription drugs, etc. may contribute to ones mindset, the bottom line is that one is responsible for ones own actions.
---e.lee7537 on 4/17/13


\\If my brain changes, God in my character, with His love, can still make sure I do not hurt anyone or try to do anything immoral\\

The man who shot people from the tower of the University of Texas in Austin in the 60's had an undiagnosed terrible brain tumor.

I saw a TV drama about a woman, a respected principal and loving wife and mother, who was driven to seduce her male students by a brain tumor. (I realize that that everything on this show should be taken as absolute truth.)

My point is that any brain abnormality can make a normally moral person suddenly do hideous things. Even me. Even you.

Only God Himself can sort this out with both justice and mercy.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/17/13


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Some psychologists today believe that people commit evil deeds due to the lack of a chemical called oxytocin in our system. If that is really true, then to what extent are we responsible for our own misdeeds?
---e.lee7537 on 4/15/13

As I stated, the 10 commandments has little or nothing to do with love of neighbor as I can kick the daylight out of Francis and not be found violating any of the big 10.
---lee1538 on 1/22/12

well you tell us, was that you speaking, the lack of chemicals speaking, or the chemicals speaking?
---francis on 4/17/13


e.lee, am I to understand from your congressman story that he is then not to be blamed for what he did with the women? And we are to blame the alcohol for his "indiscretion"? Is that how I should actually be thinking?

I wonder if the alcohol was calling the congressman to have a sip of his spirit or should one think before having a sip that such spirits would have adverse effect on anyone let alone just the congressman? Did he feel infallible before he consumed the spirit?

I would advise anyone who calls themselves a Christian not to make light of the sin nature that we are wallowing in the flesh. And more importantly, don't make excuses before the Almighty One that you're not to be blamed. It's not going to work.
---christan on 4/16/13


You got to be kidding! A person is responsible for their own actions. To blame it on something else is false. Psychology is a new "science" and always in flux and what is true today they may find be true in the future. Romans 14:12 (KJV)
"So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God." God will not accept a lack of oytocin as an excuse.
---wivv on 4/16/13


Christan - When you were a youth, you probably experimented with alcoholic beverages and did things that you were ashamed to learn of the next day - correct?

One of our congressman admit he was drunk when he went skinny dipping in the ocean with a few women.
---e.lee7537 on 4/16/13


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'Axe: What you say is very true. One may not be able to account for his/her actions as a result of ingesting mind altering drugs, but that in no way negates his/her "responsibility" for anti-social (evil) behavior resulting from such actions.
---Leon on 4/16/13


"Chemicals make us evil?" Really? Such a thought and excuse is typical of our fore-father Adam when God called out to him after their act of disobedience to God's command in the garden.

"And He said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. And the Lord God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat."
Genesis 3:11-13

Heard of the blame game? Poor chemicals.
---christan on 4/16/13


Others here have given the million dollar answer. I offer my two cents (c: Our character can effect how we react to a drug's action. If a drug gives us pleasure, for example, we will be happy about the pleasure . . . if we are about pleasure.

If my brain changes, God in my character, with His love, can still make sure I do not hurt anyone or try to do anything immoral > "Love does no harm to a neighbor," we have in Romans 13:10. So, if I have become loving, I won't do any harm, even if my brain is not working, I consider in prayer to God.
---willie_c: on 4/16/13


1st_cliff:

If one ingests a chemical that takes away his reason, one may no longer be accountable aftwards - HOWEVER, one should be held accountable for ingesting that chemical, knowing its results.

There was an episode of Law and Order where a doctor accidentally poisoned a woman in the E.R. because he was drunk. The prosecution theory was that the crime occurred, not in the E.R., but in the bar several hours earlier.
---StrongAxe on 4/15/13


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Truly said Peter!!! That's evidenced in history & in this present day. People, the world over, stuporize themselves with all manner of chemicals to make themselves feel better...
---Leon on 4/15/13


Peter:

Chemical imbalances don't make us evil, but they may mess with our own mechanisms that we normally use to control and restrain our own evil.
---StrongAxe on 4/15/13


Alcohol is also a personality altering drug,
So is a person not accountable if he is drunk?
---1st_cliff on 4/15/13


Cluny: You have a point about 'to make good moral choices.'

However, as all people are by nature sinful, various things can help us, but we must still remember that the base remains sinful.

I am concerned when people say simply that evil is 'due to the lack of a chemical called oxytocin'

If that is something, it is merely something that makes our sinful nature worse, not what starts it
---Peter on 4/15/13


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We as Adults make our own choices and are 100% responsible for our own actions and choices, good or bad.
---Jed on 4/15/13


Interesting question. So, if I understand the supposition correctly Adam & Eve may've been chemically imbalanced? But, how can that be since they were flawless (GOOD) when they were created? By misdeeds I assume you mean sin. Afterall, sin is the result of people doing that which is evil in God's presence & against His will. No, being chemically imbalanced isn't the problem! Mankind's main problem is spiritual deadness as a result of Adam's original sin.
---Leon on 4/15/13


You've asked a good question. C. S. Lewis dealt with a similar issue in MERE CHRISTIANITY when he discussed psychotherapy.

All any such therapy (medical or psychological) can do is give us better raw material to make good moral choices.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/15/13


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