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The Order of Templar Knights were formed to protect the Church and faith. Do you think Christian travelers can do a similar job assessing the performances of churches and Christian life of faith around the globe?

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Nurse, "For by grace ye are saved, through faith..." Saved by Grace through faith. The beginning of faith, the disposition to seek salvation, is itself a work of Grace and a gift of God. Paul says that we are saved "through faith" and that is (as the instrumental cause) but never does he say that we are saved "on account of faith" (that is, as the meritorious cause). (Eph. 2) we are told, that before God made us spiritually alive, we were "dead" walking according to the course of the world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit "who now works in the sons of disobedience among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of the flesh.."
---Mark_V. on 9/10/13


Nurseroberts 2: (Eph. Paul begins by telling the brethren, "blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ who chose us in Him before the foundation of the word.." in Him we have redemption, and in Him we also have obtained an inheritance being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will. And then he explains to them how they were saved in Chapter (2) They were dead in trespasses and sins when God made them spiritually alive. But God who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loves us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ. Only the righteous can come before God and ask anything. They have Christ as their Mediator.
---Mark_V. on 9/10/13


Shira, its getting old to you, and you are tired of hearing the Truth. you want it to stop. One thing for sure, you do not have to answer if it is bothering you to hear the Truth. No one in his lost condition seeks after God. Why? because no one understands. None of them are righteous. And only righteous people can come before God through the Person of Jesus Christ. He is their Mediator who stands before you and God the Father. So keep asking for salvation if you are not saved, it will get you nowhere. You are in great need of Christ. Those in Christ have faith that God has given them. It was a gift when they were made spiritually alive by Grace, together with Christ.
---Mark_V. on 9/10/13


markv, I think you mis read my post. you are very wrong if you think everyone cannot be saved. they can be saved if they believe. the problem is not many accept salvation. this is getting real old.
---shira4368 on 9/9/13


aThats not what Im saying Mark.

How would anyone who has not faith that Jesus could save them accept him?

You have to have faith that Jesus will save you.

For by grace ye are saved, through faith...
---NurseRobert on 9/9/13




MarkV, if you have faith then you are a believer. If you have no faith then you are an unbeliever. They go hand in hand. You can not believe in Jesus without faith. And you can not become born again without believing. So you must first have faith in order to accept God's gift.
---Jed on 9/9/13


Nurseroberts, so what you are saying is that the unbelievers have faith in Jesus Christ, and because of that faith they become born of God? Sorry, but unbelievers have no faith in Christ, the reason they are called unbelievers, no faith in the Lord.
---Mark_V. on 9/9/13


Mark, I disagree.. It takes faith to become born again.
---NurseRobert on 9/8/13


Shira, you first said,
"joseph roy, I know God comes first. we must have faith to be born again so in that perspective, faith comes first." You've god it backwards, we have faith because we are born again. Then say,
"Anyone can be born again" That is false. Sinful man cannot tell God where to go. Jesus said concerning the Spirit and how he operates,
"Do not marvel that I said to you, you must be born again. The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but couldn't tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit" The Spirit is like the wind, no one knows where it comes from and where it goes. Man does not direct the wind where to go.
---Mark_V. on 9/8/13


The current crusade is being carried out by US government employees who want the world to believe their will will not be denied. They are killing humans regularly, based on propaganda and hidden agenda. They are creating secrets and technology that kills and preventing freedom of speech. They are cronies who are not building a free market, but instead a dictated market.
---Michael on 9/7/13




joseph roy, please read Psalm 8:4-5-6 I don't think I am anything. everyone has a chance to be born again. I have never said or even hinted I was better than anyone. wow, you can really twist words around can't you?
---shira4368 on 5/14/13


Shira, I am happy that I activated your brain. Sin is the problem and we are the product of it. Jesus as redeemer did the technical correction. Regarding the idea of below angels etc that is the result of false theology you picked up from wayside.
---Joseph_ROY on 5/13/13


joseph roy, what gives you the right to say I worship the enemy. you are a total nut case if you can't read things Ive said and say I am not a born again Christian. where do you get that idea? when I said humans were so insignificant that Jesus would die for us but I was saying that because some think such a thing. I know God sent His Son to die for our sin. in creation, we are a little below the angels.
---shira4368 on 5/12/13


Shira, I am happy you understood
that I was trying to explain science in simple terms. Your view suggests that Almighty God found you worthy to send his Son to redeem you so that you could be made a bride, the church. You are well brainwashed by the enemies of God. The blog suggests the solution. Knowledge!
---Joseph_ROY on 5/12/13


joseph roy, humanity is so insignificant that God sent His Son to die for our sin. Jesus didn't die for animals, trees, sand and micro organism and organisms that are not micro.
---shira4368 on 5/8/13


Shira, human being is just an insignificant dust particle in this vast, vast universe. We can not fully comprehend the concept of God. No doubt, something is revealed to us. When we restrict God to some of our limited understanding we are creating an image that can fit into our mind. The concept of a living God as revealed to Moses, the God of Abraham,who believed and Isaac, who was saved by God in a barter and of Jacob who struggled with Him, is a limitless God.
---Joseph_ROY on 5/7/13


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joseph roy, why do you think churches serve a false god? we worship the Living God, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. the one true God. I can name some faiths who worship a false god.
---shira4368 on 5/7/13


Francis, you seem to be right if you mean that every Church creates its own false image of God as well as of Jesus and suits his word according to its need.
---Joseph_ROY on 5/6/13


---Joseph_ROY on 5/4/13
You are looking at confusion, that we agree on.

Let me invite you again to take a look at the Seventh-Day Adventist church

Why you ask:
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them

Revelation 14:12 the saints: are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

What you are looking at are these: Isaiah 4:1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.

People who just want the name of Christ associated with them, but not Christ's Laws
---francis on 5/5/13


Francis, the tower of Babel must have been beautiful as it rose. But confusion of the word made it a sign. I see the Church and all the Christians there preaching words which no one grasps
---Joseph_ROY on 5/4/13


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christstianity is such a divided house. what do you think?
---Joseph_ROY on 5/4/13

1 Corinthians 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
---francis on 5/4/13


you seem to like America called a christian state. christstianity is such a divided house. what do you think?
---Joseph_ROY on 5/4/13


joseph roy, I will always stick to my faith. I have been saved since 1952. too old now not to be faithful to my Savior.
---shira4368 on 5/3/13


Shira, your worries are genuine. But a Christian looks agter faith and a statesman, the state. Confusing these two leads to uncertainty. Stick to your faith.
---Joseph_ROY on 5/2/13


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joseph roy, I know God comes first. we must have faith to be born again so in that perspective, faith comes first. you can not be born again without faith. we were talking about the military and God. do you want to know what is happening? our present government has a plan to remove anything to do with God or any faith from the military. I remember when the military passed out new testiments and now they are banning God's Word. now, tell me what is good about that? that is one of the reasons God is turning His back on this so-called Christian nation. Obama said we are no longer a Christian nation. that is the only thing he has said that was believeable.
---shira4368 on 5/2/13


Shira, God comes first and faith lasts.
---Joseph_ROY on 5/2/13


Stand by your faith. That will save you.--Joseph_ROY on 4/30/13

Thank you for words of Encouragement.
---Nikki on 5/1/13


joseph roy, our military leaders are limited because of the policy of Obama. some have even stepped down from their place in the military. same thing after WW11. we have a leader who has never served in any armed forces and yet trying to lead our military. I find that laughable. you cannot separate the spiritual from the secular. God meant them to go together as in the old testament. we are even sending money and weapons to the enemy. we are also sending them our jet fighters.
---shira4368 on 5/1/13


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Shira, remember that there are very good and efficient political and military leaders who will look after matters of safety. Christians are supposed to look after faith. Make some suggestions!
---Joseph_ROY on 4/30/13


Nikki, you are worried about little things. A couple of misguided individuals can not pause a threat to a great nation provided it is with God. Stand by your faith. That will save you.
---Joseph_ROY on 4/30/13


nikki, the muslims are hell bent on ruling the world. they are doing a good job and it seems they are left to destroy all faiths. I cant understand why they are allowed to come to usa, build their mosques and continue to kill Christians. many come to U.S. get an education then go back to their country and plan attacks. we are surely in the last days.
---shira4368 on 4/26/13


..the Christians wanted the Holy Land back which meant kicking out the Muslims---Scott1

Use logic. Open your eyes. No one cared as long as everyone was allowed to worship.

Every time and I mean every time Muslims take over an area they destroy other Faith's treasures and KEEP OTHERS AWAY.
That's what happened in the Holy Land!! You can't worship freely in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, and now Egypt. Why? Because those Countries are in whom's control?? Mulsims

You can worship freely now in the Holy Land, why? It is in the control by the Jewish people.

You can worship freely in England, USA, Australia, Canada and the like. Why? Because those Countries are run by Christians!

WAKE UP. Stop carrying their water.
---Nikki on 4/26/13


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They were called pilgrimage to the Holy Land.
The Muslims didn't even care about the Crusades...
---Nikki on 4/18/13

I agree, the christians wanted the Holy Land back which meant kicking out the muslims, aka the Crusades 1-4. Crusade 1 did work they captured Jersulem. Then the muslims took back Jeruslem and the christians fail to re-recapture in 2-4. The muslims then tried to take over Europe through Spain and Turkey which became Crusades 5 and 6 in defense of Europe. (aka stopping the Ottoman Empire). yes there were "crusades" that were peaceful trips to the holy land, but after the vikings there were a bunch of lazy knights sitting around and the pope needed a policital mission.
---Scott1 on 4/26/13


Joseph Roy, since you wrote this blog, you might as well answer it yourself, Only you know what you are talking about. Just make it your own. I am sure you have a lot to say.
---Mark_V. on 4/25/13


The Templar Knights were men who worked for God in a foreign land just as you do in this site. Poor Knights of Christ! They were arrested in 1307 and imprisoned secretly in the private palace of the king. In 1308 Pope Clement sent 3 Cardinals including Card.Berenger Fredol who found no serious fault with them. In 1314 they were burned at the stakes! It happened during the Avignon Exile of the Popes which started in 1309. Burning went on unabated.
---Joseph_ROY on 4/24/13


Wonderful! God speaks straight and continues to speak for one and all, and everywhere. Cut and paste and out of place is not god's way. Still the Sacred Scriptures leading to Christ and Salvation is fixed in codex. But Codex does not restrain god's mouth. God speaks as he had spoken. You have to find it not only in the Bible.
---Joseph_ROY on 4/23/13


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Do you actually believe Paul wrote to Timothy, about something he knew nothing about?
---michael_e on 4/21/13

i don't care whether paul was married or not, but paul wrote about a few things that nobody knew about. maybe this too was divine revelation. it does speak to God's greatness through imperfect and unknowing vessels.
---aka on 4/23/13


\\Another term for the Bible is truth. Knowledge is truth and that is what many fear.\\

And you don't actually think you're putting truth on your posts, do you?

As I said on your other one, if God has something to tell us in His word, He will say it in a straightforward manner.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/23/13


\\Did the inquisitors under a Cardinal find any serious crime in them to deserve death on the stakes?\\

Actually, there were NO inquisitors under NO cardinals in the suppression of the Templars.

And following your definition of martyrdom to its logical conclusion, so was Hitler.

Try again.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/23/13


Another word for honesty is openness. Religion very often relies on deception Knowledge and enlightenment is often a threat. Another term for the Bible is truth. Knowledge is truth and that is what many fear. Let the light of Christ shine up on us before the day of darkness arrives.
---Joseph_ROY on 4/23/13


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The Templar Knights were burned at the stakes. Did the inquisitors under a Cardinal find any serious crime in them to deserve death on the stakes? It was their wealth that Philp the Fair wanted. Templar Knights were martyrs! they kept their secrets even at death.
---Joseph_ROY on 4/22/13


Michael e, you aske me if it was so hard to believe Paul was married? And my answer is yes, because Scripture tells us he was not. Maybe you have some kind of secret passage that say he was married. Then please provided so that I can believe it.
I showed you the passages, put it down for you, explained it to you, and you say it is a lie, that he was married and yet gave nothing to proof that. I will be waiting. Thank you michael.
---Mark_V. on 4/22/13


Most believe Paul to be a widow as the verse may als osuggest: married, yet unmarried.
---micha9344 on 4/22/13


//michael e, is it so hard for you to admit that Paul was single?//
Is it so hard for you to admit Paul was married?
Do you actually believe Paul wrote to Timothy, about something he knew nothing about?
As for the insult, should i apologize to you or francis?
---michael_e on 4/21/13


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Brushing aside reputed authors and their popular works need not be a service to the church.
They have studied the issue, may not have found the complete answer. On that foundation they build their story-whether it be the Da Vinci code, or the Holy Grail. Jesus had a family which was a secret. As he was born of a virgin, that woman's family was his. Jesus was a Nazarene too- unmarried teacher. I see that.
---Joseph_ROY on 4/20/13


michael e, is it so hard for you to admit that Paul was single? Instead you want to insult me like francis. Why don't you try instead the way of God. I disagree with Cluny many times, but I cannot disagree with him when he is right. If I didn't agree I would be lying. Here is the passage.
"But I say to the unmarried and to the widows: it is good for them if they remain even as I am, He was talking to the unmarried and widows to remain as he was. Then he said:
"But if they cannot exercise self-control, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion" (1 Cor. 7:8,9).
Speak the truth michael for the glory of God, you do not need to insult.
---Mark_V. on 4/21/13


//So your answer was so far off.//
Mark, i'm wondering if francis isn't right about you. Try sudying before you try to answer.
Of course Paul was persecuting the Jerusalem church. You don't think he was acting on his own do you?
---michael_e on 4/20/13


michael e, Cluny is correct, the passages in (1 Cor. 7:7-9) explains he was single. And your argument passage:
"Acts 26:9,10 "... I gave my voice (vote) against them."" Paul was speaking about when he was still a pharisee doing things contrary to the name of Jesus of Nazareth. It has nothing whatosever to do with the Sanhedrin been the ruling party and that they all had to be married.
The Sanhedrin had nothing to do with giving rules to the believers, they in fact were hunting and trying to kill the believers. Paul in (1 Cor. 7:6-10 already a believer in Christ was speaking about how the role of singleness and marriage for believers is God's gracious gift. So your answer was so far off.
---Mark_V. on 4/20/13


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In 1060 A.D. Anuradhapura in the East fell. In 1072 the confraternity was formed. After that comes the Templars. ...Protecting Holy Land you said? Yes. the land in which Jesus was killed - the land which was made holy with his blood , you mean? There was another Holy Land in the East. Do you know that? Jurusalem was an international junction where the Templars were commissioned. that was meant for the crusaders to cross through. They were going to the East, probably.
---Joseph_ROY on 4/20/13


\\So search and discover.
---Joseph_ROY on 4/18/13\\

All I'm discovering is that you have read too many books like HOLY BLOOD HOLY GRAIL and DAVINCI CODE.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/19/13


//Or are these verse not in your Bible, michael_e?//
Those plus some

Acts 26:9,10 "... I gave my voice (vote) against them."
The Sanhedrin was the ruling body of Jews that would have been voting what to do with these believers. If I understand the Jewish O T. economy, to be a member of the Sanhedrin one had to be married, and have children. How could you judge in the area of families and relationships without experience.
How could leaders of the Church lead intelligently, and from experience without the responsibility of being a husband and a father.

no matter what denomination you're from, or what you think of Paul, you get your Church government and organization from Paul.
I Tim 3:1-4
---michael_e on 4/19/13


Protecting Holy Land and faithful pilgrims who came there- not just a war-game. They are signs of the church and faith. The order was found3ed in 1098 soon after some important archaeological discoveries under the Temple ruins. The Templars were men who gave their lives. The problem is that they had certain secrets which others could not understand. The solution lies in understanding . So search and discover.
---Joseph_ROY on 4/18/13


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\\//St. Paul was single//
Any scripture to back up this assumption?
---michael_e on 4/18/13\\

In 1 Cor 7:7-9, St. Paul makes it clear that he was single.

Later on in the same chapter, he mentions how some other Apostles travelled with their wives--but not he.

Or are these verse not in your Bible, michael_e?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/18/13


//St. Paul was single//
Any scripture to back up this assumption?
---michael_e on 4/18/13


Wait we did this back in the middle ages and we are still feeling the effects of it, it was called the CRUSADES.---Scott1 on 4/16/13

You really need to know your history. The so called Crusades that is given today esp on the History channel are 95% LIES.

They were called pilgrimage to the Holy Land.
The Muslims didn't even care about the Crusades until they realize White Christian Men made a issue about them.
They didn't care about because they were not effective.
---Nikki on 4/18/13


\\So, do they protect against unqualified leaders who in their darkness can't see who they are ordaining and also are even blaspheming God's standards by forbidding the ordination of married pastors?\\

Not at all.

St. Paul was single. So was Jesus.

As one Pentecostal said, "If God calls you when you're married, plan on staying married. If God calls you when you're single, plan on staying single."

I might mention that in the Orthodox Church, a married man may be ordained deacon and priest--AFTER he has married, but may not remarry if his wife dies. And unless a man is a monk, most Orthodox bishops in the USA will not ordain an unmarried man below the age of 40, as a rule.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/18/13


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Do they protect how Paul commands the obedient succession to ordain family men who have been proven in their own homes first before they are trusted to "take care of the church of God" (in 1 Timothy 3:1-10)?

Do they protect how Jesus Christ's sheep can tell the difference between a pastor and a predator? Jesus sheep, even, not only His leaders, can tell the difference between a psychopath and a pastor of God's own love > John 10:1-30. So, do they protect against unqualified leaders who in their darkness can't see who they are ordaining and also are even blaspheming God's standards by forbidding the ordination of married pastors?
---willie_c: on 4/18/13


Joseph_ROY, doesn't it bother you to make such absurd statements?

The Poor Knights of Christ and the Temple (to use their full name) were founded to protect pilgrims going to Jerusalem and the Christian shrines in that part of the world from mahometans.

They were NOT founded to protect either the Church or faith.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/16/13


The Order of the Knights Templar were not formed to protect the church of Jesus Christ.
---aka on 4/16/13


Ok, lets get a charismatic leader, a bunch of guns, a group of soldiers and go protect the Christians in Egypt.
Lets also attack the (insert demonination of your choice) because we think they are heretical.
Then we can burn all of the (pick version) Bibles.
Wait we did this back in the middle ages and we are still feeling the effects of it, it was called the CRUSADES.
---Scott1 on 4/16/13


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The Church of Jesus Christ doesn't need a secret society of legalistic men to play God. Each & every Christian is charged to personally examine one's self, by the Word of God, to see if we are in the faith. (2 Cor. 13:5)
---Leon on 4/16/13


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