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Daniel's 70 Weeks

I would like to open a topic on Daniel's prophecy concerning the 70 weeks. Please give reasons why you believe what you do, with Scripture.

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Josef......"Spiritually, nothing can separate us from the love of Christ." MarkV on 4/26 Amen.
Thank you for sharing MarkV. I appreciate your post, and will keep the post in mind as I continue my studies. Thanks again.
---Josef on 4/26/13


Kathr, I also love all the passages you gave, I also love all the passages that francis gives, but all those passages do not change either one of you. You are still who you were before you called on Christ without faith.
You can write the whole Bible down, and it will change nothing. The Word has to come to you in power and in the Holy Spirit in order for it to change you. If you are an example of someone saved and complete in Christ, then in heaven there will be hell to pay for all the others who are in heaven with you. They will pray to get out of heaven.
---Mark_V. on 4/27/13


Now to the blog question, we will have to first see, those in Christ, are with Christ ALWAYS, in life or death. Saved OT Saints as stated in the prior verse, also tell us they are now in heaven, not yet in glorified bodies....SO WHO in Revelations are those under the alter? We are not under an alter, OT Saints are not under any alter, but those who die during the Tribulation period, after the Church is Raptured, are those under the alter, until the end of the tribulation. No new Saints are going to be "popping in" during our time called the Judgement seat of Christ with the Church.

So YES, there is going to be a 7 year tribulation on this earth, called the WRATH OF GOD. The CHURCH is saved from this time of WRATH TO COME.
---kathr4453 on 4/27/13


Hebrews 12:23
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,.

I love this verse. The spirits of Just men made PERFECT, yet, they are not yet in any glorified bodies.
They are OT saints who's "perfection " came when Jesus rose from the dead. Absent from the body is present with The Lord.
---kathr4453 on 4/26/13


Many professing Christians are indifferent to becoming conformed to Christs death *Phil 3:10.

Charles Spurgeon said, "If the grace which I profess to have received leaves me exactly the same kind of person as I was before receiving it, it is not New Testament salvation. The grace which does not drastically alter my behavior will never alter my destiny." Jesus says, "You will know them by their fruits" Mt. 7:16. Fruit can only come as a result of walking in the Spirit, that can only come by, putting to death the deeds of the flesh.

You cannot have the crown without the cross 2 Timothy 2:11. You can't love Jesus any more than you are willing to deny this world. Life comes out of DEATH. The two do not co-exist.
---kathr4453 on 4/26/13




Those sacrifices in the temple after Jesus sacrifice on the cross bear no record in heaven as having fulfilled anything, but man's total disobedience to truth.
---kathr4453 on 4/26/13

WOW very well said
---francis on 4/26/13


Those "in Chris" are no longer of this world or world system that 666 represents. In Christ we are now a "New Creature" whether we have received our Glorified bodies or not. Sin does not remain or is it active in our "epidermis", as some would think using "flesh" here to represent the physical body. We are now members of HIS BODY, He being our Head, and we are now spiritually seated with Him in Heavenly Places IN CHRIST. Our physical epidermin does not negate that truth .

Colossians 3:1-4 is talking to us in the present.

Galatians 5: state clearly, those WHO ARE Christ's "HAVE"...(present tense) crucified the flesh. "Flesh" represents the old man. Ro 6.
---kathr4453 on 4/26/13


Kathr. Cont. 2. My 4/21 posts were simply in reference to the blog question. Emphasizing the importance of recognizing, and being ever conscious of the fact that 6 comes before 7. The son of perdition will come first, in the stead of Christ, representing himself as God.
Which should be enough for the called to know that he is an impostor. For those words totally contradicts the words of the true Christ. Who clearly said that "If I bear witness of Myself, (without reputable witnesses is implied, considering Jhn8:18), My witness is not true." However some will unfortunately still be deceived. Simply "because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved."
---Josef on 4/26/13


Josef, I agree with you that spiritually we are complete in Him, but physically we are not, and we still live in this body that will die because of sin. We need to make that clear first. Spiritually we have a hope that is in Jesus Christ. That one day this body of ours will die, and at the Second Coming we will receive a glorified body prepared for heaven because this body is corruptable and needs to be incorruptable. Spiritually, nothing can separate us from the love of Christ. Yet in this life we know that Paul is a good example of someone struggling with sin within him. He was not complete physically. He was been sanctified all through his life.
---Mark_V. on 4/26/13


"Fortunately, those who are "Complete In Him " have nothing to fear, because our Head Jesus Christ is above all power and principalities," Kathr 4/22 Amen to that. As well as the rest of the post. A beautifully written absolute truth.
We also need not fear violating verse 5 of that same chapter. For If one sets their course in life directed by His divine inspiration and influence, that one "shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. Not by might, nor by power, but by [His] Spirit". For one truly resting in Him knows that He who began a good work in them will bring that work to completion. Cont.2
---Josef on 4/25/13




Thank you Lutherist for standing on the Word of Truth here.

I find it amazing that on one hand some know for a FACT what Daniel is all about, the who, what, when and where, especially in things yet to come, yet have no faith in what God says WE are in Him, right here and now.

If you don't know who you are in Him NOW, you can't possibly have any wisdom or knowledge of what is yet to come.

If they were Complete in Him, they would know these things are yet to come.
---kathr4453 on 4/26/13


The fact that people continue in useless rites and ceremonies has no bearing on eternal realities.


---jerry6593 on 4/25/13

I totally agree with Jerry here. It's like saying God's plans and purposes were dependent on man. Those sacrifices in the temple after Jesus sacrifice on the cross bear no record in heaven as having fulfilled anything, but man's total disobedience to truth.

There was not an overlapping time God accepted both. Hebrews is a must read for those who may think so.
---kathr4453 on 4/26/13


barb: "The prophecy in Dan 9:27 says that the sacrifices would stop but they did not cease after the death of Jesus until 70 AD."

The sacrificial system was indeed disrupted by God Himself at the death of Jesus, because the true Sacrifice, to which the animal sacrifices pointed, had been completed.

Mat 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
Mat 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom, and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent,

The fact that people continue in useless rites and ceremonies has no bearing on eternal realities.


---jerry6593 on 4/25/13


barb, isn't 70 A.D. after the death of Jesus? And if the sacrifices siezed by 70A.D. doesn't that tell you the last week in Daniel 9:27) was complete by 70A.D.? And that there is no one week or 7year period in the future?
---Mark_V. on 4/25/13


---barb on 4/24/13
Two things
1: Isreal broke all God's commandments, statues, ordinaces and laws, but look at how God puts it: Ezekiel 20:12 MOREOVER ( MOST IMPORTANT) also I gave them my sabbaths, to be A SIGN BETWEEN ME AND THEM, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

2: Although they continued to kill animals, those were not acceptablE sacrifies, for a few reasons: A: the veil was torn, No where to place the blood, B: the Spirit fo God no longer lived in the most holy place. C: The last sacrifice, the prfect sacrifice was made, JESUS.

Luke 13:35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate

Hebrews 10:26 there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
---francis on 4/25/13


Francis, Israel not only polluted the Sabbath but all ten of God's commandments.

They made themselves desolate and Jesus told them so..."Behold, your house is left unto you desolate".

The prophecy in Dan 9:27 says that the sacrifices would stop but they did not cease after the death of Jesus until 70 AD. If Israel had completed the conditions of Dan. 9:24 then Jesus would have been crowned as their King and the judgement in verse 27 would have been determined and poured upon the desolate for the overspreading of abominations. God's glory would have filled the earth and that clearly has not happened.
---barb on 4/24/13


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Stop fighting!

Scripture clearly teaches that we can approach God now, and being able to approach God now, proves that we already are fully complete by our faith in Christ.

Paul said... "...we HAVE BEEN sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all..." "For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who ARE sanctified." (Hebrews 10:10)

Paul wrote... "Since therefore, brethren, we have CONFIDENCE to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus..." "And such CONFIDENCE we have through CHRIST toward God. Not that we are adequate in ourselves to consider anything as coming from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God." (2Corinthians 3:4-5)
---Lutherist on 4/24/13


---Mark_V. and--e.lee7537

You are the last wto that should be giving any advise here

Mark_V post so much garbage that i have to call him an idiot every time he post. Few of his post makes sinse, He has no idea of thepower of God within us, or what it means to be both sanctfied and justified

And e.lee7537 there is no greater apostate than you in CN, your spiritual bvioews come NOT from the bible, but from histiry, what ever is populat is your view, and to make things worse, you have no moral obligation to Godm only to your fellow apostates
---francis on 4/24/13


Talk about redirecting attention! Once more, this 2 little women accuse others of that very same thing they do!
I am rather thankful for the staff of CN who do not play into that petty game. Sad hags you are.
---Nana on 4/24/13


---barb on 4/23/13
we must first find out what abomination made israel desolate,

Ezekiel 20:21 they polluted my sabbaths:. .. And I polluted them in their own gifts,.. that I might make them desolate,

2 Chronicles 36:21 for as long as she lay desolate she kept sabbath,

Nehemiah 13:17 What evil thing is this that ye do, and profane the sabbath day? Did not your fathers thus, and did not our God bring all this evil upon us, and upon this city? yet ye bring more wrath upon Israel by profaning the sabbath.

Jeremiah 17:27 But if ye will not hearken unto me to hallow the sabbath day... then will I kindle a fire in the gates thereof, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem, and it shall not be quenched.
---francis on 4/24/13


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Leej, you followed ME around intruding on a blog you hadn't even posted on. go back and read your snide reply to COMPLETE IN HIM. You personally attacked me with lies and slander hoping you Could shut me down, and still use slander and lies to fight your battles, because you are not a man who can stand in Christ alone. You fight with your flesh, where Christians put on the whole armor of God.

I posted " we are complete in Him ", and you and Markv went bananas ALL OVER THESE BLOGS DENYING THAT TRUTH

That is what people should be asking themselves....WHY? You disagreed DESPITE what God said.

And you think you won something here by trying to insult my mental health?

You just hit an all time LOW.
---kathr4453 on 4/24/13


Leej and Markv, do you feel better now that you got that off your depraved chests? You think YOu all have the ability to judge and pass judgement on one's heart and faith?

Oh the day is coming for both of you.

You aren't hurting me, but only Christ in me. And the two of you are too stupid to even know what you are doing? Father, forgive them, for they know not what they say or do.

My faith and relationship In Christ is secure, happy and healthy. I am COMPLETE IN HIM. Sorry you despised those words of God and it all came to this.

People do take note how these two will totally trash anyone who BELIEVES THE WORD OF GOD OVER their false doctrine who DESPITE the Word of God and say so openly.
---kathr4453 on 4/24/13


Mark-V, I totally agree with you but it is really a waste of time to deal with one that had to deal with mental illnesses.

These coo-coo birds will continue to be contentious and follow you around from one blog site to the other trying to make you defend yourself. The problem is tht CN has no rules regarding this kind of thing.

If that is all you can do is continually defend yourself against false accusation, then it is really best to cut loose and go elsewhere.

Send me an email as I have lost your email address when I changed computers.
---e.lee7537 on 4/24/13


Oh for Pete sakes Leej, millions of false teachers have gone into ministries. Just look around you.

So are to be impressed? Talk about tooting one's own horn. Just that alone Leej, is a dead giveaway of your pride and arrogance.
---kathr4453 on 4/24/13


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Bro. Elee, when I speak against the free will of man, and the depravity of sinful man, Kathr is a good example of what I was talking about, and you touched on that on your answer. She feels she has a free will, but she does realize she is a slave to sin, doing the desires of her father the devil, and doesn't realize it. She figures she can do what she wants. But because of her lack of spiritual understanding, she does not see her own depravity. Can we change her? just not possible. She has hardened her heart so much, that it is almost impossible for her to see the Truth. It could happen, but I just don't believe it will.
---Mark_V. on 4/24/13


Kathr4453//You despise God's Word and want us to believe you are filled with all knowledge. Horse Manure!
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I have been an active Bible distributor for over 30 years, If I truly despised Gods word, I would not have answer Gods call into that ministry. Also having taken several courses in Bible as well as being active in a Bible Church.

When you become a Christian (you really have no testimony that you are), the Spirit of God will convict you of your sin. But in believing that you cannot sin, that would make it impossible for God to offer you eternal salvation.

You are lost but do not even realize it as the god of this world has blinded you.
---e.lee7537 on 4/23/13


//Now, you may not be part of this time, and will be raised at the second death, to face eternal damnation, because you are still in your sin, and incomplete in Him.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

Do you really believe you are in Christ?

If you really were, you would have a testimony of what He has done in your life.

All you have done with others on this forum is to slander and despite Christians - something that you are NOT.

Why do I dialogue with you in view of the fact that scripture commands us not to have anything to do with apostates? You will not listen either to me or even to Jesus whom you despite.
---e.lee7537 on 4/23/13


Bro. elee, avoid answering kathr. Do not give her the time of day. She is not worthy to hear the Truth. If answering her would help someone else it would be great, but nothing good and worthy comes out of her mouth. Remember, I told you about a year ago what happens when someone disagrees with her, she will hunt you, as she has everyone who does. She is in great need of the Lord to come into her heart and change that filthy heart of hers. And she turns around and blames everyone for disrespecting her.

Concering the end times, I believe we are in the last days already. And what was spoken of in Daniel already happened.
---Mark_V. on 4/24/13


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Romans 1:30
Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient .

Hebrews 10:29
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?


Leej, it appears you are full of despite towards the Word of God, and chose which verses you despite. Meaning despise.

Those are your own words LeeJ, you will have to answer for.

You despise God's Word and want us to believe you are filled with all knowledge. Horse Manure!
---kathr4453 on 4/23/13


Leej, Zechariah 12-14 is that prophecy of the 1000 year reign.

Now, you may not be part of this time, and will be raised at the second death, to face eternal damnation, because you are still in your sin, and incomplete in Him.

That is something you and your pride and arrogance will have to deal with.

You may want to put down the Booz too, or else you will hate yourself in the morning, and once again be compelled to again change your name...but we all know the LEE of many names..and WHY.
---kathr4453 on 4/23/13


--, by believing genuine Christians cannot sin, despite what 1 John teaches, you have effective quenched God's Spirit from ever getting you to confess your ugly sinfulness especially the sin of arrogance. Poor soul, the god of this world has blinded you from the truth.
Perhaps you are simply being contentious, envious of those that has more knowledge
---e.lee7537 on 4/23/13


So Leej, how many others Apostles do you DESPITE what they say? And YOU think YOU have more knowledge than they. You have to be Complete in Him to have any wisdom and KNOWLEDGE at all.

Why do you continue to twist Colossians to read sinless perfection? Is it because you are in a drunkin stupor and can't read, and too drunk to comprehend?

---kathr4453 on 4/23/13


//but I believe in a literal earthly reign of Jesus Christ upon the EARTH as it is stated here, not explained away by you.

And where and when did I ever post anything that would indicate I did not believe in the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth?

Of course, by believing genuine Christians cannot sin, despite what 1 John teaches, you have effective quenched God's Spirit from ever getting you to confess your ugly sinfulness especially the sin of arrogance. Poor soul, the god of this world has blinded you from the truth.

Perhaps you are simply being contentious, envious of those that has more knowledge of the Bible and its Author than you apparently believe yourself to have.
---e.lee7537 on 4/23/13


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leeJ, but I believe in a literal earthly reign of Jesus Christ upon the EARTH as it is stated here, not explained away by you. The Kingdom Reign of 1000 years will be under Kingdom LAW, and justice will be swift and immediate where Christ will rule with a rod of Iron.

The Church is coming back with Jesus in our Glorified bodies to reign and rule with Christ at that time.

This is promised to the overcomers who will SIT WITH HIM ON HIS THRONE Just as He sat on His Fathers Throne. We are Joint Heirs with Christ at that time.

Now after that, states 1st Corinthians when He had made his enemy is footstool, then and only then will the Kingdom be delivered "UP TO" the Father that GOD WILL BE ALL IN ALL.
---kathr4453 on 4/23/13


Francis,.. What do you think the 1290 days and the 1335 days are?
---barb on 4/23/13

To answer this, we must first find out what abomination made israel desolate, which would resurface again


Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
---francis on 4/23/13


Francis, the Jews continued their sacrifices right up until the temple was destroyed by war in 70 AD. What do you think the 1290 days and the 1335 days are?
---barb on 4/23/13

The jews continued to slaughter animals, but those were never acceptabel sacrifices to God, teh sacrifcies has ceased

Hebrews 10:26 there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
---francis on 4/23/13


Zechariah 14 : 16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

The scripture refers to the end times when Christ returns and all will acknowledge His lordship. It does NOT refer that unbelievers, pagans, or heathens can worship God as the only worship God accepts from anyone is from those who worship Him in spirit and in truth.John 4:23-24

One does not have to be a Calvinist to see that, simply one that knows the Bible and its Author.

Strongly suggest you get help for your problems, maybe a professional medical type.
---e.lee7537 on 4/23/13


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The Jews who were Christians saw the Roman army moving on Jeruasalem and fled because they trusted the words of JESUS about this being the Abomination of Desolation spoken of by Daniel. It saved their lives from the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/23/13


And MarkV this certainly cannot be right now, since it would totally negate your calvin theory that heathens can, or rather can't worship God the KING!

The problem with Judas was, he was one who expected Jesus to overthrow the Gentiles and gentile power right then and take his throne. When Jesus did not display that power as King right then, Judas betrayed him.

The Jews in the beginning to John 6 wanted to make Jesus KING right then. THEY understood those promises of His earthly Kingdom, but many couldn't understand He first had to go to the Cross to fulfill that promise of a GLORIFIED KING reigning.

---kathr4453 on 4/23/13


Zechariah 14 : 16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.18 ---that have no rain, there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations ----.


Really Markv? You think this is HEAVEN?
---kathr4453 on 4/23/13


barb, concerning Jesus Christ, many today claim they serve the Lord Jesus, but they deny the real Jesus of Scriptures. Many in the denominational world deny Jesus present Kingship by claiming that Jesus reign as King is yet future. John 18:36) Jesus had been asked by Pilate if He was a King, and "Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should be delivered to the Jews." If His Kingdom was of this world, the Jews would have stoned Him to death. That could never happen for prophecy had to be fulfilled He would be crucified. His kingdom is a spiritual kingdom not a physical one.
---Mark_V. on 4/23/13


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Francis, the Jews continued their sacrifices right up until the temple was destroyed by war in 70 AD. What do you think the 1290 days and the 1335 days are?
---barb on 4/23/13


Great post Josef.

Fortunately, those who are "Complete In Him " have nothing to fear, because our Head Jesus Christ is above all power and principalities, and we being IN HIM , ..well Colossians 3: 1-4 says it all. Not only that we have been translated out of this present evil world, into the Kingdom of His Dear Son. We are IN HIM a perfect 7, and have no fear of 6, or any 666.

---kathr4453 on 4/22/13


Francis, I believe that the abomination of desolation is still to come.
---barb on 4/22/13
The abomination that makes desolate has already come, and has already removed the daily,

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
---francis on 4/22/13


Francis, I believe that the abomination of desolation is still to come. I know what you and I have been taught but after much study and research, I don't believe that any of the 7 trumpets have sounded yet.

Rev. 13 gives a vivid description of the 1st and 2nd beast. I believe that the 1st beast is the abomination that will stand in the temple if it is rebuilt and may reinstate the sacrifices. My understanding is that the 2nd beast will be Satan, himself. Rev. 9. Rev 16:10-11.
---barb on 4/22/13


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Kathr, we only have so many spaces here on the blog and many want to write what they know, so why don't you go to another blog and pick a fight with someone else there. Or make a blog, where you can release your anger and others can comment on that. People are trying to discuss the Word of God concerning Daniel's prophecy. If you do not have anything to contribute here, please leave this blog. You are only ruining the discussions. You are spreading hate everywhere.
---Mark_V. on 4/22/13


Mark V, yes, Jesus is the King of the Kingdom of God/Heaven but in order for Jesus to be crowned as King of this world He has to have a Kingdom on earth.

Jesus receives His Kingdom in Rev. 11:15, "And the seventh angel sounded, and there were great voices in Heaven saying, the kingdoms of this world have become the Kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ and He shall reign forever and ever."

The blood of Jesus purchased a kingdom (Rev. 5:9-10) but we have to abide by the rules of the Kingdom or we will not enter in. Rev 11:18-19, Matt 25:31-34.
---barb on 4/22/13


barb, Here you say,
" If they had completed their work then Jesus would have been crowned as their King and those verses fulfilled."
It's fulfilled, Jesus Christ is King.
"Which He will manifest in His own time, He is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of Kings and Lord of lords" (1 Tim. 6:15). He is already, it says.
"In the mist of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease" After exactly three and a half years of Holy ministry, Jesus Christ died on the cross, in the mist of the week, in the middle of the seven years, at that exact moment of His death, "The veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom.." (Matt. 27:51).
---Mark_V. on 4/22/13


---barb on 4/21/13
And you are right in that Israel did not accomplish what God wanted in terms of accepting Jesus.
---francis on 4/21/13

Oh but she did accomplish. Christ did not fail. The Lost Sheep of the House accepted readily.....and children of still are.
If one recognizes that Judah is not all Israel, the problems modern doctrines teach go away. Matt 10:6, Matt 15:24 for instance is searching for the lost side of Israel....not Judah. Heb 8:8 differentiates the two sides of the complete house of Israel.
Most Jews were not Israel by heritage and Judah did not accept truth. Judah was a jealous sister.
Matt 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
---Trav on 4/22/13


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Part 2. Daniel 9:27 The deceiver that shall come shall act insolently, be strong, and prevail in the covenant, or confederacy he establishes with many for one 'week' ("sevened, specifically of years"), and in the middle of the week he shall cause the sacrifice of praise and the offering of thanksgiving and subjugation, (to the true invisible "God" is implied), to cease among the deceived. For with the overspreading of his deceptions, that disgusting , idolatrous one, shall cause most to be in awe and astonished. Even until the completion of his time, and that which has been determined is poured out upon those ruined spiritually by his deception. You have been warned.
---Josef on 4/22/13


Daniel 9:26 with key words defined in the language that was spoken, based on the context, as I have been given to understand it. The verse reads thusly.
The True Messiah is killed unjustly by the unjust masses that are of the powerful ruler who shall come, who influences and oversees their actions, and they shall pervert and corrupt the morals of man. Those who should remain awake, with purpose, duty, and their call to holiness, will be deceived, and brought to an end by an overwhelming deception. The result of that engagement is stupefying, and most will be awestruck and astounded. This has been determined, be alert, it will happen. continued part 2.
---Josef on 4/21/13


Leej, When YOU don't understand a verse or text, it immediately becomes the other person's problem. That game gets really OLD, and is so obvious to those who have seen people play that game they have learned from childhood.

What is a dead give away with you LeeJ, is you are always pointing people to commentaries and books. So that must be what you do, run to books, and not run to God with questions.

When you OBEY yes OBEY James 1, believe me, you will never have to get your man made answers again from flawed men who's works have yet to be tested at the Judgement Seat of Christ. ASK GOD directly, and when HE tells you the answer, you can be SURE it is truth. And THIS TRUTH is what and how we stand strong in our faith.
---kathr4453 on 4/22/13


---barb on 4/21/13
I understand what you are saying. And you are right in that Israel did not accomplish what God wanted in terms of accepting Jesus.

However, I don't think that any part of the prophecy required time to stop because Israel did not complete their part. It did not require that they ( the sanctuary) be left desolate up unto the time of consumption

Ironically when Peter asked Jesus how much should one forgive, the answer is 490 times. The same number of years set aside for Israel.
---francis on 4/21/13


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---barb on 4/21/13
Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place,

Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not,

Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with ARMIES, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

Daniel 11:31 And ARMS shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

The question is: what is this abomination that did make the sanctuary / Israel desolate?
---francis on 4/21/13


Leej, stop changing the subject. We are not talking about Romans 7 OR ATTAINING SINLESS PERFECTION, nor was Paul in Colossians OR Philippians.

Perhaps your commentaries have left a void, where the Holy Spirit, who by the way is not a woman, will teach you some things, if you care to LISTEN obey and BELIEVE AKA FAITH.
---kathr4453 on 4/21/13


Mark V, I don't believe in a 7 year tribulaion. I was just questioning Francis on Dan 9:26-27. My understanding is that those two verses never happened because Israel did not accomplish the six conditions that God required in Dan 9:24. If they had completed their work then Jesus would have been crowned as their King and those verses fulfilled.

We see in Matt 24:15 that the abomination of desolation that Daniel spoke of will stand in the temple in the last days. In Rev 13:7-8 the beast is given power over all the world. This beast is going to confirm some kind of agreement that will please everyone and cause almost the whole world to worship him.


---barb on 4/21/13


//You spoke against the sovereignty of God when you denied Paul's truth to us that we are COMPLETE IN HIM, and tried to explain it away by using Paul's text in Philippians that you have not attained to perfection. TWO ENTIRELY different objectives.

You are indeed suffering from lack of knowledge, perhaps all your teachers were women!

Compare if you can, Romans 7:20-25 where Paul speaks of His inability to live perfectly in accordance to the law - that the evil he does not want to do is what he does.

Might suggest (in vain?) you find a good commentary on Romans written by one that is gifted by God with teaching.
---e.lee7537 on 4/21/13


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No Leej, You spoke against the sovereignty of God when you denied Paul's truth to us that we are COMPLETE IN HIM, and tried to explain it away by using Paul's text in Philippians that you have not attained to perfection. TWO ENTIRELY different objectives.

So, the one in Colossians is our POSITION IN CHRIST...read the text please...no race is being run there.

So it is YOU who denies the sovereignty of God when you denied that you are Complete in Christ.

Now that I am Complete IN HIM, I " can"run that race and run to attain ALL THAT He has called me to do according to His will. I could never do that if I were not FIRST Complete IN HIM.

So stop beating people over the head until YOU are grounded in truth.
---kathr4453 on 4/20/13


\\And you have yet to give any good understanding of Romans 9.\\
---e.lee7537 on 4/20/13

There isn't a Calvinist alive who has a good understanding of Romans 9. However, the dead ones do....finally
---James_L on 4/20/13


Bro. Elee, let her go or else she will ruin the blog on Daniels prophecy of 70 weeks. She will pop-up normally looking for me. I tell her she is not complete yet, but that she will be complete in Christ later, but she insist she is already glorified so complete already, without sin. Yet everyday you see what comes out of her heart, and it is not good. If that is what a complete person looks like, everyone is in trouble in heaven. Just think of all those in heaven like her, arguing with God about His sovereignty. They will insist on their own free will in heaven.
---Mark_V. on 4/21/13


Leej, I've given a sound biblical understanding of Romans 9. It just disagrees with your faulty understanding of Romans 9. What I do is find scripture to support other scripture, as you fail to do, and see that Galatians in no way supports YOUR understanding of Romans 9.

Since Galatians is totally GRACE, and in no way presents GRACE the way you do, and in no way even uses Jacob's name, NOT EVEN ONCE, nor even uses the word ELECT , your the one who has a false interpretation of Romans 9 all the way through Romans 11.

---kathr4453 on 4/21/13


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//I Don't need to become a Calvinist, I only need to be a CHRISTIAN.

Your main disagreement with Calvin and other Christians seems to be that you reject the scripture that speaks of God's sovereignty. You seem to believe that God cannot do with His creation as He wishes.
And you have yet to give any good understanding of Romans 9.
---e.lee7537 on 4/20/13


---Mark_V. on 4/20/13
well said, good post,
---francis on 4/20/13


Listen to a PERVERT Cultish :

"kathr, maybe one day you'll become a calvinists"

That's the most cultish perverted thing ever to come out of anyone's mouth.

No Leej, I Don't need to become a Calvinist, I only need to be a CHRISTIAN. And since Calvinists ARE NOT COMPLETE IN CHRIST, and openly admit they are not, why on earth would I want to be joined to those who call God's word a lie, and say their sins are not washed away, who are not sanctified once and for all through the Body of Christ. Why would I join up with perverts?

And seeing the CULT Calvin's have no respect for women, burning how many at the stake in Salem for the greed of their land after their husbands and fathers passed.....no thanks
---kathr4453 on 4/20/13


Leej, women posting here on CN are not ministers of Church congregations. So your argument is NILL. As a member of HIS BODY given Gifts to use in obedience, all men and women obey God in using their GOD GIVEN GIFTS, whether YOU or the ORTHODOX PRESBERTERIANS like it or not.

Christ is my HEAD, not you. I'm not RCC, or Reformed RCC who will never understand that ONLY CHRIST is your HEAD.

You deny the most basic foundation of Scripture, that is , "WE ARE COMPLETE IN HIM". Therefore you're a false teacher and have nothing to do with the body of Christ to begin with.

And OH, don't state here you DO believe we are complete IN HIM, ....you gave that chance away, and denied Christ at that moment.
---kathr4453 on 4/20/13


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barb, I have to disagree with you and here is why, from Genesis to Revelation, there is no exact passage that specifically mentions a seven-year period of tribulation at all. The entire theory is based on the interpretation of two words in one single verse they are "one week". The words, "He shall confirm the Covenant" Can only apply to Christ, for Christ came "to confirm the promises made to the fathers" (Romans 15:8)
Daniel 9:27) doesn't say "a covenant" or peace treaty, but "The Covenant" And nowhere in the Bible does the antichrist make, confirm, or break a covenant with anyone. The Word "Covenant" is Messianic, and always applies to the Messiah, not the antichrist.
---Mark_V. on 4/20/13


..explain the overspreading of abominations in verse 27?
---barb on 4/19/13
Christ died for our abominations

Daniel 9:26 after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:

So after 3 1/2 years the Messiah was killed for OUR SINS

When He died, the temple viel was torn in two. Two things are significant here
1: Leviticus 4:6 sprinkle of the blood seven times before the LORD, before the vail of the sanctuary.

Sacrifices are useless without the vail. His death caused sacrifices to cease.

2: behind the vail was the most holy place, where God met Israel: Num17:4,, Exod 25:8. God was no longer there, it was desolate

It remained desolate and was totally consumed in 70 AD
---francis on 4/20/13


Francis, do you believe that the "he" in Daniel 9:27 is Jesus? Verse 26 is not talking about Jesus but about the prince of the people who shall come.
---barb on 4/19/13
And I also provided the NT scriptures to support that
---francis on 4/19/13


kathr4453 -Maybe one of these days you will be able to see the truth and even become a Calvinist!

No, I do not believe, nor have I ever believed that I possess all the truth. Why do you not suppose I often refer to the commentaries on some of these blog questions?

I may be mistaken but I believe even the likes of you is a sister of mine in the faith, however, what I refer you to is what is found in the word of God, namely that women are not to be leaders of the church.

I have yet to see a good women minister in any church that I have ever attended, they rarely (if ever they can) met the expectation that qualifies them as pastors.

Would appreciate your comments on Daniel's prophecy.
---e.lee7537 on 4/19/13


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And worst yet, they desperately want to convince others that they alone possess the full truth of God but such has been typical of other cults.
---e.lee7537 on 4/19/13


Oh I know...right! and leej belongs to one of those cults too, believing he alone possesses truth because he is man, who sneaks into "silly womens" houses hoping that silly woman will be stupid enough to believe him. However he could never sneak into a STRONG WOMANS HOUSE, grounded in the Word of God. No he would just stand outside the house hurling insults because the strong woman knows better than to let perverts into her house.
***3rd John.
---kathr4453 on 4/19/13


Francis, do you believe that the "he" in Daniel 9:27 is Jesus? Verse 26 is not talking about Jesus but about the prince of the people who shall come. The prince of this world and most of the people in it was sadly not then and is not now Jesus. John 14:30.

Verse 27 carries on talking about the prince of the world not Jesus. How do you explain the overspreading of abominations in verse 27?
---barb on 4/19/13


When God gave Israel the 10 commandments there was much thunder, lightning and other noises from Mt. Sinai.

But what happened on 22 October 1844? If you answered obviously nothing, you got the right answer.

Adventists believed that God operates in such a way that none of His children may know what is happening.

And worst yet, they desperately want to convince others that they alone possess the full truth of God but such has been typical of other cults.
---e.lee7537 on 4/19/13


Daniel's people were given 70 weeks to clean up their mess. They failed to accomplish the six conditions that God gave them in Dan 9:24. If they had accomplished those conditions then Jesus would have come as their King and as the cap stone to complete their house.

Verses 26 and 27 never happened because Israel never met God's requirements.
The Jews continued their sacrifices after they crucified their Messiah right up until their head was wounded when the temple was destroyed by a war.
---barb on 4/19/13


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Upon what basis is there to use the day to year principle to determine future events?
---e.lee7537 on 4/18/13

Numbers 14:34 each day for a year,

Ezekiel 4:6 have appointed thee each day for a year

Luke 13:32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.

It was 3 years before His death and resurrection
---francis on 4/18/13


Upon what basis is there to use the day to year principle to determine future events?

Does 7 weeks 49 years?
---e.lee7537 on 4/18/13


Event of the 70th weeks
Daniel 9:27 he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:

DONE:
Mark 14:24 This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
Hebrews 2:3 at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him, - Hebrews 2:4

Daniel 9:27 and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,

DONE:
Matthew 27:50-51 the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom,
( WITHOUT THE VIEL TO PLACE THE BLOOD ON, THE SACRIFICE WAS USELESS)

Daniel 9:27 and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate,

DONE
Matthew 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
---francis on 4/18/13


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