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Gee, c'mon, Christan. Why clam up now? If you're certain, like Mark V, that you are one of GOD's "Elect" who were "only created to be Saved", with absolutely no say on your part, (as opposed to those who are not part of that special "Elect", and were only created just for the sake of being "forever Damned in the eternal Lake of Fire"), then, why be backward about it now? Just thank GOD, and shout it from the highest mountain in joy that, when HE created you, HE didn't create you only just to damn your soul like HE alledgedly did for all those other poor wretched, less fortunate, sin-laden souls.
---Gordon on 4/26/13


by grace (prepositional phrase)

you (noun) have been saved (past participle verb)

through faith (prepositional phrase)

and THAT (you being saved) not of yourselves

IT (you being saved) is a gift of God

Mark, you are misreading the scripture. Back in grammar school we were taught how to determine the subject of a sentence or clause. The subject is never in a prepositional phrase. Remember? Those rules havent changed.
---LindaH on 4/26/13


Gordon, have you not read what the Lord Jesus Christ said?

"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." Matthew 12:36,37

And if you understand these words, you will know, just like I know. I owe you nothing that you demand of, for you're not God. If you have read what's written, you too should know whose words are justified and who's condemned. Simple isn't it?
---christan on 4/26/13


Jed, if election by God for the sole purpose of salvation to those whom He has chosen before the foundations of the world is as you say "This kind of thinking is called narcissism.", I assure you that your fight is not with me or even with the apostle Paul but with God.

It's all clearly written in black/white in the Holy Bible, in the OT and the NT if you can see them, but only with your spiritual eyes and heart. If you're depending on your carnal flesh and blood, the verses are there but because of the lack of faith (which is only from God), you can never believe. You are demonstrating signs of it.

Not that I am boasting in the flesh but salvation is only by the grace of God through faith in Christ, period.
---christan on 4/26/13


Mark V, That is true that Satan is not omni-present and that he cannot be everywhere at one time. But, that's why he sends out his demonic spirits and his fallen angels to go abroad the Earth to help do his dirty work. It's all considered as being of Satan, because those devils are doing their master Satan's bidding. They chose to follow Lucifer while he rebelled from GOD in Heaven (REVELATION 12:4), and those same devils follow him still. All part of Satan's kingdom. So, anything a demon or fallen angel does is generally attributed to being "of Satan".
---Gordon on 4/26/13




Jesheradan 3: you say,
"Jesus does the saving. All we do is exhibit faith by calling upon him for that salvation. THAT faith gives us access to Gods grace (in Jesus Christ)." If everyone has faith in Christ, then everyone is saved. Which is nonsense. Faith is a gift of God.
"For by grace you have been "saved through faith, and that not of yourselfs" it is a gift of God (faith) not of works, (why?) lest anyone would boast." Your boasting that faith came from you and that everyone has it. You've believed a lie. Here is what Paul says of the lost,
"There is none righteous, no, not one. There is none who understands, There is none who seeks after God" (Rom. 3:10,11).
---Mark_V. on 4/26/13


Christan, Why avoid the giving of a simple and straight "Yes, I'm one of 'the Elect'" or, "No, I'm not one of 'the Elect'."?

Mark V, You're side-stepping my point. I, myself, am in the midst of "working (my) Salvation out with fear and trembling", as admonished in PHILIPPIANS 2:12, in order to "make (my) Election sure", as per II PETER 1:10. I'm ALREADY doing this. My question is about your way of believing "Predestination" and "Election". I'm questioning the way you believe, Mark V. You knew that, so you tried to evade giving a straight answer about it to me, by redirecting the focus onto MY Salvation status. lol. ROMANS 11 pertains to BELIEVERS.
---Gordon on 4/26/13


Jesheradan 2: you then said,
"Scripture says the god of this age (satan) keeps the gospel hidden (2 Cor 4:4)You say God himself keeps it a secret from certain men." Satan is not Omnipresent, everywhere at one time, so he could not be keeping the gospel from billions of people. Individual sinners are keeping the gospel from others. They are doing the desires of their father the devil and do not even realize it. The devil laughs at those sinners.
You asked:
"Do you worship the god of truth" I worship the God of Scripture. You worship a god you created in your mind who is helpeless, for all idol gods cannot move, or speak?
Jesus said, "without Me you can do nothing" and you say man can.
---Mark_V. on 4/26/13


Yes, Christian somehow assumes that he is one of the elect: inherently superior, destined for eternal life after death while other are inherently destined to be damned to everlasting death. He was just born to be saved and others were not. This kind of thinking is called narcissism.
---Jed on 4/25/13


"And, you did not answer my question directly. Are you, do you claim to be, one of "the Elect"?" Gordon

And again and again you make a fool of yourself asking questions like this to anyone, let alone me. You have read my blogs and threads, what do you think? Are you confessing you cannot read and that you are stupid to understand simple English? Or do you ever read the context first before you actually think?

The answer to your own silly question is simple isn't it?
---christan on 4/25/13




Sorry MarkV, but I never said Jesus was lying when he said without me you can do nothing.

Jesus does the saving. All we do is exhibit faith by calling upon him for that salvation. THAT faith gives us access to Gods grace (in Jesus Christ). Scripture is clear that the ability to show faith is within every man. Everyone has "faith". Not everyone chooses to place it in Christ.

Romans 10:6-8
Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach
---Jasheradan on 4/25/13


"Someone sure seems angry a lot."
---Jasheradan on 4/21/13


Yes, angry/HOT AS HELL! The fires of hell obviously come forth from within persons who raise hell.

WARNING ANGRY PERSON(S): For your souls sake, praise God ~ don't raise hell!!!
---Leon on 4/25/13


Christan, And, why would the Unbelievers need to be warned from ROMANS 11, anyway, since they are not of "the Elect" and have no chance at Salvation to begin with? Predestination to Hell means they're definitely going to Hell, right? Or, am I "misunderstanding" your belief of "Predestination"? Why do those predestinated to Hell need to be warned regarding "Salvation", as from ROMANS 11?
---Gordon on 4/25/13


I know I was chosen because I have a true love for Christ. No one who is lost has a true love for Christ. Also, because I have true faith in Christ He is my Lord and my Savior. Because I know, Salvation is by sola gratia, by grace alone in Christ alone.
I know because the Spirit speaks to my spirit that I am a child of God. I have examined my fruits of faith, because there must be some evidence of the fruit of obedience for our profession of faith to be credible.
Mark_V.

Well Mark I can say those exact same words. So that means I am also saved. Maranatha
---Samuelbb7 on 4/25/13


Gordon, my question to you is,
"Have you made your election sure?" Instead of asking others if they are of the elect, ask yourself if you are one of the elect. Have you been diligent to make your election sure? I have made mine sure, have you made yours?
"Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent, for if you do these things you will never stumble" (2 Peter 1:10). That is your problem Gordon, you have not been diligent, why? because you do not believe in the election of God. Don't worry if someone else is of the elect, worry about your own election. You don't believe in election, the very reason you and many others stumble.
---Mark_V. on 4/25/13


Well Christian Mark answered my question about how do you know if you are saved. But you did not.

All scripture is addressed to believers. 2tim 3:16.

So second question is if a person says they are saved. But they hate others and refuse to forgive others. Are they saved?
---Samuelbb7 on 4/25/13


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Christan, This is a PUBLIC FORUM, and you have "butted in" on plenty of my comments that were not directed at you. Okay? The plain fact is, is that, ROMANS 11 is addressed to BELIEVERS in GOD.
And, you did not answer my question directly. Are you, do you claim to be, one of "the Elect"?
---Gordon on 4/25/13


Jesherdan, to question one, I have a love for the Lord and His right to elect whom He wills. Jesus said, "without Me you can do nothing." You suggest He lied.
"Scripture says faith gives us access to God's grace (Rom. 5:2)"
(v.1) speaks to believers justified by faith. No unbeliever has access to His grace, only believers.
"Scripture says call upon the name of the Lord and you will be saved (Romans 10:12,13)You say we are saved and then call upon the name of the Lord" I never said you were save when the Spirit made us alive together with Christ. Once we are spiritually alive we are able to call on the name of the Lord. Unbelievers do not call on the name of the Lord.
---Mark_V. on 4/25/13


Gordon, first you accuse me of saying that I say I'm an elect. Now you're accusing me of denying that I'm an elect. Make up your mind! You sound like a desperado who's trying to corner someone who believes in the doctrine of election and predestination into saying something you want to hear, right?

Well then, isn't my stance on election and predestination sufficient for you not to understand which side of the fence I'm on? Do I need to say more? Like I've said before, election and predestination is not about me, it's about what God has planned and purposed. Isn't that more important than about the individual? Just because you love to talk about yourself, am I supposed to follow you?

Grow up!
---christan on 4/24/13


Gordon, before butting in on the conversation between Jasheradan and myself, you might want to read his thread before making a fool of yourself with regards to what I wrote about Romans 11 in my reply to him.

Even your reply is splattered in total confusion. You first say Romans 11 "is addressing those who are Believers" and then you continued saying "There is no need to "warn" those who are not a part of YAHUSHUA."

Though Romans 11 admonishment was to the believers, who says there's no need to warn the unbelievers? Isn't the call of the Gospel also extended to the unbelievers to repent or perish? Aren't believers commanded to witness and testify about their problem they have with God?
---christan on 4/24/13


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MarkV, it appears what you truly have is a love for "election to salvation", not for Christ or "Truth".

-------------------------
Scripture says faith gives us access to God's grace (Romans 5:2)

You say God's grace gives us access to faith
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Scripture says call upon the name of the Lord and you will be saved (Romans 10:12,13)

You say we are saved and then call upon the name of the Lord
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Scripture says the god of this age (satan) keeps the gospel hidden (2 Cor 4:4)

You say God himself keeps it a secret from certain men.
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Do you worship the god of truth or the one who speaks lies?
---Jasheradan on 4/24/13


Christan, You never once uttered the words "I'm an Elect of GOD"? Never said the same thing in different words? So, then, you DENY that you are an "Elect of GOD", in the way that Mark V interprets being of "the Elect"? You defend the teaching that Mark V espouses of this version of Predestination and Election like a pitbull. So, again, do you deny that you are "of the Elect" in the way that Mark V espouses? That only certain people were created to be Saved, and that the rest of mankind were ONLY created for Wrath and Eternal Damnation? That's what Mark V teaches. You agree with this or not? Btw, you do not have the necessary discernment to tell Leon that he is definitely going to Hell.
---Gordon on 4/24/13


Mark V, Leon can speak for himself, but, I'll serve as a witness on his behalf. Leon loves Christ and he lives by "sola gratia", also. But, according to Christan, Leon's on his way to Hell. Can you help to explain that, since you and Christan believe so much alike?
---Gordon on 4/24/13


Christan, The Warning in ROMANS 11 has everything to do with "the Elect", because it is addressing those who are Believers. There is no need to "warn" those who are not a part of YAHUSHUA! There is no need to warn someone who is not Saved to "...Take heed, lest He also spare not thee...Behold, therefore, the Goodness...IF thou continue in HIS Goodness: otherwise, thou ALSO shalt be 'cut off'!" Only a Belever is a part of YAHUSHUA. Only someone who is a part of Him can be "cut off". ROMANS 11 is addressing a Believer, Christan. NOT an unbeliever. An unbeliever is not even a part of YAHUSHUA to begin with. How could they be cut off from something they're not even a part of??
---Gordon on 4/24/13


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"Why would God make this warning if there were an election to salvation?" Jasheradan

What's the warning in Romans 11 to do with God's election, which Paul wrote explicitly about in Romans 9? Is Paul contradicting himself?

Paul also warned in Philippians 2:12, "...but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." Was he speaking against election? Far be from it! The following verse, Paul says, "For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure."

Which means, those who "fear and tremble" is because God is working in them. Does God work on everyone? Nope, only in the elect.
---christan on 4/24/13


Samuel, you asked me,

" Mark how do you know you are really chosen?"

I know I was chosen because I have a true love for Christ. No one who is lost has a true love for Christ. Also, because I have true faith in Christ He is my Lord and my Savior. Because I know, Salvation is by sola gratia, by grace alone in Christ alone.
I know because the Spirit speaks to my spirit that I am a child of God. I have examined my fruits of faith, because there must be some evidence of the fruit of obedience for our profession of faith to be credible. "Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will not stumble" (2 Peter 1:10).
---Mark_V. on 4/24/13


Shira, you are so right. If a person does not feel the Spirit's work in their lives, then I suppose the Spirit is not present. When God brings us to spiritual life, not only does a persons heart changes towards Christ, but he sees and hears the words of Christ in the gospels. And when the Spirit convicts the person, he then feels a conviction in his heart for having rebelled against God, and wants to ask for forgivenes.
---Mark_V. on 4/24/13


I believe when one is born of the Spirit, we know. I have never had a doubt because I can take you to the place where The Lord saved me. Cabbage town part of Atlanta Georgia, friendship baptist church and its still there. 1953
---shira4368 on 4/23/13


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"Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well, because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity, but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off." -- Romans 11:18-22

Why would God make this warning if there were an election to salvation?
---Jasheradan on 4/23/13


"You act arrogant because, in your eyes, you can "afford" to, since you are "definitely one of the Elect" and you can "never lose your Salvation no matter what". Gordon

Well, that's your opinion. Never at any time have I even uttered the words that "I'm an elect of God".

All I did and have done is to show you and Leon verses that contradict your understanding and the erroneous doctrine you propagate in the name of Christ. And for that you're all flustered and angry? For what? For being told the Truth that your understanding is erroneous and goes against the grain of the Holy Bible? And that's arrogance to you? How so?
---christan on 4/23/13


Well this has certainly got off topic. People use to locate hell in the middle of the earth. The Greeks located Hades in the earth also. Which is where most Christians get their idea of hell. Since the Bible tells it that the lake of fire is yet future and will be outside the New Jerusalem. Revelation also tells us death and hell will be destroyed. Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/23/13


As for free will vs Calvanism. This topic has been debated for hundreds of years. The puritans believed in Calvanism. But they also taught the only way you knew if you were truly saved was by your actions. On the other hand there were the rantors who believed that since they were saved they could live in every sin possible.

So Christian and how Mark how do you know you are really chosen? After all you could be fooling yourselves?
---Samuelbb7 on 4/23/13


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Christan, You act arrogant because, in your eyes, you can "afford" to, since you are "definitely one of the Elect" and you can "never lose your Salvation no matter what". Can you not see that the Devil is using that belief you hold to incite you to arrogance, here? You say that I (and Leon) mock the reality of Hell. Have you ever read my many comments about Hell and the Lake of Fire??? From your accusations, I'd say firmly "No, you haven't". It only proves you neither read carefully what I post, nor do you understand what I am saying when you do! You do not have the proper discernment to assess that Leon is Hell-bound.
---Gordon on 4/23/13


Nikki, you said,
"Plus what about 1 Peter 1:8-9?"
What about it? Did you read the context? Peter writing to the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, "elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father," in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ. Why did God choose them? For the saving of their souls. God chose the elect to be save before the foundation of the world. When they are born, they are born lost with the sin of Adam. God needs to bring them Spiritually alive together with Christ (Eph. 2:1-10).. No one knows who they are only God. The very reason we are called to witness others.
---Mark_V. on 4/23/13


"If God is completely sovereign and we are puppets on a string, then there is no real disobedience." LindaH

You call it whatever you want but this is what Peter wrote and bear in mind, it's from the Bible and not from me. You go interpret it however you want but I assure you that there's no interpretation needed. It says what it says with regards to your erroneous understanding of disobedience to God.

"And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed." 1 Peter 2:8
---christan on 4/22/13


Gordon, if anyone's being arrogant it's the both of you. All I did was show Scriptures that goes against your doctrine, Scriptures from the Holy Bible, mind you. Whereas both you and Leon rather choose to give us your erroneous insight of your ideas of what hell is all about, and mind you - without the backing of Scriptures.

The both of you mock at the reality of hell when all I do is warn you that such a place is not physical but eternal, which our physical eyes cannot see but for a Christian, by faith he will believe that such a place is real.

And if telling you your ideas of hell is foolish and you accuse me of being proud, so be it. Anyways, that's according to your understanding, just like hell.
---christan on 4/22/13


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Gordon, if you had been listening to the Truth, Christan put down from Scripture instead of trying to point out what you see wrong in him, you would learn the Truth. You complain on his actions and you threw me under the bus. Your soul is at stake don't you not want someone to point this out to you? Or would you rather have someone lie to you, with sweet words because they don't offend you? Is your pride more important then your soul? These topics are very serious, you are saved by your own free will, or saved by God by His own will? It is easier for you to accept a lie then the Truth. I don't want to convince you, I cannot. It is God who changes the hearts. Without God changing the heart, you remain the same old lost person hearing nice words.
---Mark_V. on 4/22/13


Christan, Sorry, but you are displaying alot of arrogance in your attitude towards other people on this Blog. It REALLY showed when you spoke to Leon as if he will definitely be going to Hell. And you're talking down to other people, as well, if they're somehow "beneath you", because "YOU'RE definitely one of the elect bound for Heaven and, well, they're not". You so need to humble yourself before the LORD and repent of this spiritual pride. Somebody needs to be in your life who can point these kinds of things out to you personally. But, it seems there isn't. "Only by pride cometh contention..." PROVERBS 13:10a. "Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall." PROVERBS 16:18.
---Gordon on 4/22/13


Of course it is Christan. Because its written all throughout the scriptures.

DISobedience: Failure or refusal to obey rules or someone in authority.

If God is completely sovereign and we are puppets on a string, then there is no real disobedience. That would make him a sadist. That is not LOVE therefore it is not God. Even a child can see this.

God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked but would rather they turn from their sin and live. Those words didnt come from my mouth but from HIS spirit! Is God now a liar? Does He tells us He has no pleasure but secretly DOES and keeps billions from coming to salvation in his Son just for the sheer pleasure or watching them burn? Your heart is hardened.
---LindaH on 4/21/13


Someone sure seems angry a lot.
---Jasheradan on 4/21/13


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Would God say "You will never burn in a fire I promise! BUT don't play with matches around gasoline!!" THINK for goodness sake! The answer is right in front of you and you refuse to see it!--LindaH

NICE!

Plus what about 1 Peter 1:8-9?

Although you have not seen Him, you love him, you rejoice with an indescribable and glorious joy, AS YOU ATTAIN THE GOAL OF [YOUR] FAITH, THE SALVATION OF YOUR SOULS.

MarkV and Christan, please explained how you are an elect just because of belief if that verse states the opposite? It states the salvation of your soul is a GOAL.

God isn't mean to allow people to be born and cursed at birth to go to hell!

God is MERCIFUL. His Ways or not your ways. THANK GOD!
---Nikki on 4/22/13


LindaH, your analogy of "...don't play with matches around gasoline!!"" is tainted in unbelief of God's sovereign election by grace, period. Basically you hate this doctrine is because you "treasure" your "free-will" doctrine. Well, too bad for you - it's written and revealed in the Holy Bible.

Don't think for once that God doesn't chastise those whom He loves. Go read the accounts of King David, Solomon, Paul - just to name a few in the Scriptures that received chastisement from God. Your interpretation of God's mercy in His act of salvation to a sinner as compared to playing with "fire around gasoline" does not even come close to salvation by grace.
---christan on 4/21/13


"The fires of hell come from within you." Jasheradan

This is a classic example and definition of New Age philosophy disguising in the cloak of Christianity. This kind of teachings are rampant at this present moment and will continue to be so.

You have the audacity to use Ezekiel 28:18 to propagate this saying of yours? Ezekiel was told by God to rebuke the king of Tyrus for his proud heart and the things that he was doing was an abomination to God.

Basically confirming what Scriptures declares that "God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually."
---christan on 4/21/13


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Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick, therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee -- Ezekiel 28:18

The fires of hell come from within you. It is a manifestation of the evil you have committed in your life. That is why there is no escaping it without justification and sanctification.

The "pit" is where those reside who will be burning. Total separation from God, who is love. Just the memories of the evil you have done and the pain you have caused yourself and others.
---Jasheradan on 4/21/13


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//many are deluded when they quote or refer to 2 Peter 3 with regards to God's long-suffering and say that it's universal. As you rightly pointed out, epistles are for believers, not unbelievers//---Christan

Please don't ignore this question.

If the epistles are directly ONLY towards believers and they can never perish according to "perseverance of the saints" then why is God longsuffering towards them "not willing that any should perish"?

Can you not see how this doesnt make any sense?

Would God say "You will never burn in a fire I promise! BUT don't play with matches around gasoline!!"

THINK for goodness sake! The answer is right in front of you and you refuse to see it!
---LindaH on 4/21/13


Nikki, it's God himself who says He brings forth evil - "The Lord hath made all things for Himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil." Proverbs 16:4, "The king's heart is in the hand of the Lord, as the rivers of water: He turneth it whithersoever He will." Proverbs 21:1, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." Isaiah 45:7

"Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass, I have purposed it, I will also do it." Isaiah 46:11

These words are from God, ignore them at your own peril.
---christan on 4/20/13


Brother MarkV, many are deluded when they quote or refer to 2 Peter 3 with regards to God's long-suffering and say that it's universal. As you rightly pointed out, epistles are for believers, not unbelievers.

More importantly with regards to 2 Peter 3, the "all" points to the elect who has been predestined for glory in Christ whom God will bring to repentance and not those who have not be elected. Hence Christ teaching, "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." John 6:37

When God will destroy this world, only He knows but until then, many more of His elect must come into this world as predestined by Him to receive His mercy and grace.
---christan on 4/20/13


Nikki, your interpretation of the passage is wrong:
"NOW READ 2 PETER 3:9 AGAIN.
...NOT wishing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance"

you took that passage and presented it as if God is talking about everybody in the world. His not. The context shows Paul is speaking to the beloved (v. 3:1), the brothers in Christ. Paul says in (v. 3:8) so they would not forget that,
"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise (His promise is only for believers) as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward "us" (belivers) not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance" The "us" are all the people of God. He waits for them to be saved.
---Mark_V. on 4/20/13


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VESSELS OF WRATH FITTED TO DESTRUCTION." Romans 9:22
"And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, BEING DISOBEDIENT: WHEREUNTO ALSO THEY WERE APPOINTED." 1 Peter 2:8--christan

1 Peter 2:8...They stumble by disobeying the word, as is their destiny.

God didn't make them disobey Him. God can CAUSE NO EVIL.
They chose to disobey so they stumble and their destiny is ruin. First they disobey.

As for Romans 9:22, READ THE WHOLE TEXT. Go back to verse 6 and stop at verse So it depends not upon a person's will or exertion, but upon, God WHO SHOWS MERCY.

NOW READ 2 PETER 3:9 AGAIN.
...NOT wishing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
---Nikki on 4/20/13


"(Does The lake of fire have Night and Day ? still have time)" RICHARDC

Heard of "figure of speech"? And if there's still time, eternal would then be a contradiction to the word "time", wouldn't it? And neither would the Bible say, "forever and ever" which implies "timeless", unless you are of the Disneyland fable.

Such is the mind of the fallen man that God uses the physical things (aka carnal) of this world to give us a glimpse of His work and Himself, which Paul says, "For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God."

Do you know what's missing?
---christan on 4/19/13


Revelation 10:20 - And the devil that deceived them was case into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophets are, and shall be tormented - day and night - for ever and ever.

Genesis 8:22 - While the earth remaineth - seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat. and summer and winter, and - day and night shall not cease.

Revelation 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the thing that are therein are ,and the earth , thing that therein are, and the sea, and that there are .and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no more.

( Does The lake of fire have Night and Day ? still have time )
---RICHARDC on 4/19/13


"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." John 4:24

"Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God, that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
1 Corinthians 2:12-14

"...the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." John 6:63
---christan on 4/19/13


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"...Hell is only temporary, it is not Forever. It is the Lake of Fire that is Forever. For, Hell shall be cast into the very Lake of Fire. That's what the Holy Bible says in REVELATION 20:14..."
---Gordon on 4/19/13


Ditto Gordon! Jesus said heaven (the atmosphere above the earth) & earth will pass away (Matt. 24:35). It (Hell, the abode of the "dead") will be cast into the Lake of Fire (Rev. 20:11-15). Second Peter 3:13 speaks of a new heaven & earth.
---Leon on 4/19/13


"Well, anyway, here's a bit of info to add to your vast collection of knowledge: Hell is only temporary, it is not Forever." Gordon

"Temporary"? Only to be cast into the Lake of Fire which is eternal? Is this your understanding of what eternal death means? Wow!

Like I've said before, call it whatever you want, Hades, Hell, Gehenna, Lake of Fire - they all point to only ONE ETERNAL PLACE OF DAMNATION, period.

And this to you is classified as "extra bit of knowledge"? Wow! How brilliant!
---christan on 4/19/13


Leon, this is a good Question you posed here. And, it should prove to get some very interesting responses. Might even get someone's goat. It's important for people to know where Hell is, and what it's like. Way too much ignorance about this subject now as it is. Most sadly within the Church. Hell is real, and it is a horrid place of Torments. Peace!
---Gordon on 4/19/13


Christan, Wow, you seem to know so much! Well, anyway, here's a bit of info to add to your vast collection of knowledge: Hell is only temporary, it is not Forever. It is the Lake of Fire that is Forever. For, Hell shall be cast into the very Lake of Fire. That's what the Holy Bible says in REVELATION 20:14. But, be careful with this extra bit of knowledge, we don't want to see your head to get too full and explode. :-)
---Gordon on 4/19/13


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"Leon, knowing "where" hell is, is not going to be your problem when you get there..."
---christan on 4/18/13

Was that a "GO TO HELL LEON" innuendo Chrissy? Do you really hate me that much? :) If so, I have a direct question for you. Do people that have hatred for others in their hearts go to heaven or hell?

For what it's worth, I don't hate you.
---Leon on 4/19/13

p.s. The world is full of people who choose to raise Hell by their words & deeds (actions). History has shown that & just living daily in the world bears that fact out repeatedly. Look at what's currently happening in Boston, i.e., one helluva situation.
---Leon on 4/19/13


"Leon, knowing "where" hell is, is not going to be your problem when you get there..."
---christan on 4/18/13


Was that a "GO TO HELL LEON" innuendo Chrissy? Do you really hate me that much? :) If so, I have a direct question for you. Do people that have hatred for others in their hearts go to heaven or hell?

For what it's worth, I don't hate you.
---Leon on 4/19/13


Hell on Earth?

Isaiah 66:22-24 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before Me, saith the LORD. And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against Me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched, and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Where will this visible place be located where men may go forth and look upon the carcases of the transgressors against God? Apparently it will be in Idumea, the area of present day Jordan, easily found in the back of your Bible in the maps.
Now, read Isaiah 34:1-17
---Naoma_King on 4/19/13


"Everyone in Hell is their own choice. God doesn't want anyone in hell." Nikki

Fallacies after fallacies.

"What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the VESSELS OF WRATH FITTED TO DESTRUCTION." Romans 9:22

"And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, BEING DISOBEDIENT: WHEREUNTO ALSO THEY WERE APPOINTED." 1 Peter 2:8

If you think you're doing God a favour by your comment, you've got another thing coming. It's one thing to lie to one another but another thing to lie about the Word of God.
---christan on 4/19/13


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you can't avoid it and that's simply because being cast there is not of your choice but of God- Christan

Everyone in Hell is their own choice. God doesn't want anyone in hell.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord does not delay his promise, as some regard "delay," but he is patient with you, NOT wishing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
---Nikki on 4/18/13


"Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth." Col 3:2
For "The way of life [is] above to the wise, that he may depart from "hell beneath"." Pro 15:24
Hell resides in the carnality of ones thinking.
"To set the mind on the flesh is 'death' (as in the misery of the soul arising from sin), but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law, indeed, it cannot." Rom 8:6,7
---josef on 4/18/13


Leon, knowing "where" hell is, is not going to be your problem when you get there. Knowing "what" hell is would be a better choice for your line of question. Even if you "knew where" hell was (which I doubt you do because it's not a physical place), you can't avoid it and that's simply because being cast there is not of your choice but of God.

You most definitely live by sight and sound hence your question. The kingdom of God is spiritual where no eyes of man in his physical state has seen but by faith believe that's where they'll be heading when God's time is fulfilled for them. And the same is said of the reprobates but their reward for their unbelief is eternal fire. Have you seen eternal fire?
---christan on 4/18/13


"Hell is any place or state WITHOUT GOD for eternity."
---Nikki on 4/18/13

Interesting response Nikki! Are there any places or states on planet earth like that?
---Leon on 4/18/13

NO
---Nikki on 4/18/13


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I think of marriage. Better the corner of a roof. More of marriages now end in divorce. This being the situation between a husband and wife, better not to marry. (Matthew 19:10) I have wondered if hell is the molten underworld of the earth. Such is a lake of fire.
---bug on 4/18/13


"Hell is any place or state WITHOUT GOD for eternity."
---Nikki on 4/18/13


Interesting response Nikki! Are there any places or states on planet earth like that?
---Leon on 4/18/13


"Is hell according to the Bible even a physical place like earth? If it is, why would the Holy Bible describe it as "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched... eternal fire and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever".

Hell is eternal and where it is, it's immaterial.[?] That's because it's not going to be made of matter where time and space can affect it. It's eternal."
---christan on 4/18/13


So Chris, in a nutshell, you're saying you don't know where Hell is, yet!
---Leon on 4/18/13


Leon, Since you asked, Sheol/Hades are the same place=common grave of mankind, sheol translated 31 times as grave and inconsistently 31 times as just plain hell!(untranslated)
Tartarus= A place of dense darkness where the demons are and where satan will go.
Gehenna= A trash dump outside Jerusalem used figuratively by Jesus!
Also the root word hell(German hoelle) from which our English came has absolutely nothing to do with fire!
---1st_cliff on 4/18/13


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\\Cluny: Please try & think outside the box.
---Leon on 4/18/13\\

I did.

I asked you why you wanted to know to start with.

Since Jesus died to rescue me from Hell, I don't have the least interest in its location.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/18/13


Hell is any place or state WITHOUT GOD for eternity.
---Nikki on 4/18/13


Is hell according to the Bible even a physical place like earth? If it is, why would the Holy Bible describe it as "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched... eternal fire and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever".

Hell is eternal and where it is, it's immaterial. That's because it's not going to be made of matter where time and space can affect it. It's eternal.
---christan on 4/18/13


"For our God is a consuming fire." (Hebrews 12:29) If God is the fire of hell, He is everywhere. But only trash can burn in fire.

There is "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience," Paul says in Ephesians 2:2. This filthy spirit will go to the flaming sewer which burns with fire and brimstone. So, just don't be a sewer bucket of this filth of selfishness. Be a vessel of God's living and loving waters > John 7:37-39.

The LORD was not burnt by the fire and brimstone He sent on Sodom and Gomorrah, nor will we be the ones burnt by the "fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb." (Revelations 14:10) But ones of an evil nature can be burnt.
---willie_c: on 4/18/13


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Just where are those places located Cliff? :)

Cluny: Please try & think outside the box.
---Leon on 4/18/13


Leon, Which one Leon? Sheol,Hades,Tarterus or Gehenna?
---1st_cliff on 4/17/13


As St. John Chrysostom replied when asked this very question in the 4th century, "Why do you want to know? Let's not seek to discover where it lies hidden, but rather how to avoid it."

BTW--this question has been asked before in the last few months. Why rehash it? Or do you think you have some special (if not secret) knowledge about it, Leon?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/17/13


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