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Where Do Sinners Go

I just lost my son to a drug overdose. I am consumed with fear that he isn't with GOD. I know he believed but was very lost most of his young life. The minister at his service said that Christians don't go to heaven, sinners do. Can I believe this?

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markv, I love what you said about heaven and hell. sadly, many preachers are preaching prosperity and never preach on hell. many don't teach the blood either.
---shira4368 on 4/27/13


Kim, I don't know who you minister is, but he is wrong. Only the righteous go to heaven. There is no sinners in Heaven. Those who are in Christ have been forgiven. When they physically die, their spirit will be with God, and wait for the resurrection of the body at the Second Coming. We all worry about our families, the reason we pray and ask God to do a miracle in their lives. Do not assume your son is in hell or heaven, only the Lord knows. Worry about you who is still alive. Trust in the Lord with all of your heart, He will heal you.
---Mark_V. on 4/27/13


Nikki, you have been reading the Bible that Cluny's denomination wrote. Here is his proof,
"The Orthodox Church, on the other hand, WROTE the Word of God, so you are misusing an Orthodox book."
He claims they wrote the word of God. You claim you guys wrote it. Each of you have your own bibles. I have looked in the Bibles and nowhere do I read that anyone in the Orthodox church or the RCC wrote the Bible. If there is books you guys wrote, they are worthless. You claim yours is truth because you have a Priest, the fact is, you have many, and many priest are pedephiles. The Church of Christ has One High Priest, the Lord Jesus Christ. In your denomination, the pope is the high priest by succession.
---Mark_V. on 4/25/13


You can't trust what fear has you thinking. But this does not automatically mean he went to be with the Lord. Believing includes trusting and obeying. So, I do not need to be wishful. "Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment, because as He is, so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17)

If God gives you assurance that he is with Jesus, amen. But it does say "as He is, so are we in this world." To me, "in this world" means no procrastinating until later! No "wishful" saving.
---willie_c: on 4/23/13


Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more ,a reward, for the memory of them is forgotten.
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However for of us who believe what Jesus taught, those in hell are conscious and in great suffering and torment(Luke 16).
---e.lee7537 on 4/21/13

What you are saying is that Jesus is teaching contrary to scripture

Psalms 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, in that very day his thoughts perish
---francis on 4/21/13




//But know this:
Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more ,a reward, for the memory of them is forgotten.
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However for of us who believe what Jesus taught, those in hell are conscious and in great suffering and torment(Luke 16).

Sorry soul sleepers but Jesus did not invent fictional stories to teach his audience a lesson. In all of the parables, he used real life stories that His hearers could identify with. It is obvious that the Jews believed in a place for the damned.


---e.lee7537 on 4/21/13


1 Corinthians 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

you will not know where you son will be in the resurrections

But know this:
Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward, for the memory of them is forgotten.

your son is NOT in any punishment at this time and he may never be, only God knows
---francis on 4/19/13


cluny did not say he wouldn't have any kjv in the house. he just won't have the ones that don't have the apocrypha and the ones that saith "sayest".

just kiddin' around, cluny.
---aka on 4/19/13


"Nowhere does the Bible forbid prayers for the dead." Cluny

And there you go, another trademark of the pagan practice perfected by the Vatican. So, when someone dies, you mean to say by praying for them, you're going to change their "destiny" from an unbeliever to a believer? How so? It's not even Biblical at all!

One such ungodly person (who happens to be the kinf of Israel) mentioned in 1 Samuel 28 precisely did what you are saying one should do. The result of that practice had dire consequence.

"God is not the God of the dead, but of the living."
---christan on 4/19/13


cluny, that is strange you won't allow the kjv in your house. I will allow only the kjv at my house.
---shira4368 on 4/19/13




//I won't have a mutilated KJV in my house.

Neither would the Pilgrims who fled from England and the oppressive Anglican church as they had the Geneva Bible which also did not have the Apocrypha - the books Jerome did not want to include in the canon, claiming they were not good source for doctrine.

Cluny -Interested to know what doctrine your church draws from the Apocrypha?
---e.lee7537 on 4/19/13


\\You are correct. I forget that the 1st version of King James Bible did have all 73 books. \\

All succeeding revisions of the KJV had these books as well.

I won't have a mutilated KJV in my house.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/19/13


\\The minister at his service said that Christians don't go to heaven, sinners do. Can I believe this?\\
---Kim on 4/18/13

It's possible that you might have misunderstood what the minister said, or that maybe he misspoke.

He could have possibly been alluding to Luke 5:31-32

And Jesus answered and said to them, "It is not those who are well who need a physician, but those who are sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance
---James_L on 4/19/13


We can have faith in what God said that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16.

If our eternal salvation was based on anything other than God's grace, we would all be lost.

May God's presence give you peace and comfort on your lost.
---e.lee7537 on 4/18/13


\\One of the 7 books in the OT, but not in the King James Bible is 2 Maccabees 12:38-46 might console you.\\
Not true, Nikki.
The King James Version was originally published WITH the Apocrypha.---Cluny on 4/18/13

You are correct. I forget that the 1st version of King James Bible did have all 73 books.

Thank you for the correction.
---Nikki on 4/18/13


Rom8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Rom8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Concerning your son's love for God:
1John4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.

There is no doubt in my mind that your son is with the Lord in heaven.
---trey on 4/18/13


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Kim. If your son believed in Jesus then he is saved. This is the gospel.
Believing in Jesus are the good works that we as Christians should do, John 6:29.

In spite of a Christian's imperfect lifestyle (whether it be like that thief on the cross who called Jesus "Lord" or a drug overdose), it's our faith that is counted for righteouisness, Rom 4:5.

We are justified by faith, without the deeds of the law, Rom 3:28.
---Haz27 on 4/18/13


\\One of the 7 books in the OT, but not in the King James Bible is 2 Maccabees 12:38-46 might console you.\\

Not true, Nikki.

The King James Version was originally published WITH the Apocrypha. Such editions are still sold, but are difficult to find in the USA.

The first major English version to OMIT these books was the New American Standard Bible of the 1960's. This is a scrupulously accurate rendering of the wrong text of the NT, but that's another issue.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/18/13


Hi, Kim (c: Do what you can, now, to care about others, pray for people, be a good example. Your obedience will work, like how Abraham's obedience has gotten "all the nations of the earth" "blessed" (in Genesis 22:18). Do what we can, now (c:

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---willie_c: on 4/18/13


Ecclesiastes 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts, even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other, yea, they have all one breath, so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt.


John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

John 5:29 And shall come forth, they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life, and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation
---francis on 4/18/13


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Kim, Cluny is right. God is Mercy. He loves your son more than you. He is more understanding than you and generous.

All Christians are sinners.
Sins committed under drugs are not the same degree of sins committed without drugs. You do not have full permission in the matter.
The same for mental issues.

One of the 7 books in the OT, but not in the King James Bible is 2 Maccabees 12:38-46 might console you. You can look it up online.

If you fear the text, I would like to suggest if you believe in the Jewish feast Hanukkah (also called the feast of Dedication[Jn 10,22] Josephus Favius calls it the feast of Lights) is in 1 Maccabees 4:36-60. This might easy your mind on 2 book of Maccabees.

Trust in God's Mercy.
---Nikki on 4/18/13


What you are quoting the minister as saying makes no sense. Are you sure you heard him properly?

He might have meant to say that ALL of us are sinners.

As for your son, simply pray that God will have mercy upon him.

Nowhere does the Bible forbid prayers for the dead.

The Bible even says, "Many waters cannot quench love, and floods cannot drown it, for love is strong as death." Is not your love for your son that at least strong?

Even more, the Resurrection of Christ proves that love is STRONGER than death.

May God show His loving mercy upon the soul of your son--at least as much mercy as I wish Him to show upon me when that time comes.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/18/13


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