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I have seen a number of claims about creation, but some I am not able to work out where they come from.

1) The statement that dinosaurs were around at the same time as people.

2) The flood destroyed the rocks as well as living things, and deposited material to a depth of over 1km.

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... it would have taken longer than the 4-5000 years?

Or am I wrong?
---Peter9556 on 5/6/13


Yep, and men can't walk across the floor of the Red Sea without drownig either. Neither could they walk across the Jordan River. Dead men can't walk out of tombs. Lame men can't run. Blind men can't see. Adolescent shepherd boys can't slay giants. Wooden rods can't turn into serpents. Men can't walk on water. And giant fingers from heaven don't inscribe messages on walls.

That's why these things are called MIRACLES. The awesome things about God, He doesn't have to abide by the laws of nature and He sure doesn't have to answer to you how he works miracles.
---Jed on 5/7/13


How many dog species have ther been in the past hundred years? ...5 hundred years? now go back 4500 years.
Most all agree that all the dogs came from 1 canine ancestor.
Some of us have a problem with how much time it would take. This is the indocrination of millions of years taught by schools and compromised with Bible records. When the compromise happens, what gets reinterpreted?...not man's ideas--but God's Word.
---micha9344 on 5/7/13


... it would have taken longer than the 4-5000 years?

Or am I wrong?
---Peter9556 on 5/6/13

You are correct. No Giant Sloth on the boat. Or Millions of insects variety's.

Another of thousands of witnesses against the late doctrine of "Global(erets)World" are the civilizations that march through this flood period.
Chiseling of the Egyptians didn't pause. Minoan's, Sth American Indians, do not show a history gap.
The scripturally translated error was made when the earth was not known as global. Erets, used over 1,600 times as a witness means land, country, dirt.
It's stated Noah who was perfect in his generations. The imperfect family line drowned.
---Trav on 5/7/13


Trav,
I believe we will disagree on this until Christ returns or God opens the eyes of the one deceived, for we will be of one mind in glory.
But, back to Mount Everest--Do you know of the fossils of marine dwellers on that and most other mountains?
I think most everyone believes that the mountains were under water at some point and that they were not even mountains at that point.
Agree? Disagree? Thoughts?
---micha9344 on 5/7/13


Trav,
You make a common error of science and logic believing current salinity levels indicate Flood time levels.

Consider floating mats of vegetation which seed barren islands.
---Warwick on 5/6/13

You seldom read what you write. Science...logic and you give not anything to measurable but floating mats of vegetation. Incredibly you must hold a few people hostage at some church. They should run. Realizing you post for them here, I'll address them. Start eating the meat of your Bible and run.
John 10:12
But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
---Trav on 5/7/13




Gen 7:20a Fifteen cubits (20-25 feet) upward did the waters prevail
\... Mt Everest ...\
--The Mt. shows evidence of not always being 29K high.

---micha9344 on 5/6/13

O.K. 25,000' then. 4 + miles of "Saline" water pressure.
Is a silly discussion, between believers.
But, the young who are taught what is not truth may adopt that scripture is in error. If it has error it is not divinely defendable.

Mine is divine. It all connects. It does what it says it has done. With multiple witnesses testifying. br>
The Lambs of my house will search and be fed truth, not of history's doctrinally ignorant men.

Lev 26:12 I will walk among you, and will be your God, and ye shall be my people.
---Trav on 5/7/13


Peter the definition of a species is a creature within a kind which can no longer breed with its kind. Small genetic changes, which preclude breeding can occur quite quickly. An example is arctic terns which can no longer breed with arctic terns which are geographically separated. This is obviously a post-flood thing.
---Warwick on 5/6/13


Warwick 'The kinds include a far smaller number than do species.'

When you say that, do you assume there has been a long enough time since the ark from kinds to diversify into the species?

I always thought that except for very minor things (getting tabby and Siamese cats, for example, but I take those to one species) it would have taken longer than the 4-5000 years?

Or am I wrong?
---Peter9556 on 5/6/13


Trav, dump the truck and spend more time in God's word (instead of cherry picking irrelevant quotes) and you wont post so many errors.

You make a common error of science and logic believing current salinity levels indicate Flood time levels. On what science do you base this?

Olives are disease and drought resistant (Belousova and Denisova 1992, p.154), tolerate high salinities (Chandler 1950,pp.364-5). Well able to grow where many other plants cannot. They can regenerate from tree fragments, branch tips and ovuli. Get out of the GM bone-shaker and do research Trav!

Consider floating mats of vegetation which seed barren islands. Present high salinity levels don't stop them. Less holydays and more research Trav.
---Warwick on 5/6/13


\\Jed, the ark did not even have to house all the species of Noah's day, only the kinds from which species came. See Genesis 6:20 and 7:2 for example. The kinds include a far smaller number than do species.
\\

Whether the Biblical "kind" is the same as Linnean "species" or "genus" is a reasonable topic for debate.

I don't think our salvation depends on which side we take in it, though.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/6/13




\Note that Hills are not mountains.\
Gen 7:20b and the mountains were covered.
\Over 1,600 times the word "erets" is used as a land/country scale.\
Gen 1:1-2 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void, and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep
\(Gen. 6:13). The planet earth was not destroyed nor were all flesh on the planet, only that flesh and land (erets) where Noah lived was destroyed.\
Gen 1:10a And God called the dry [land] Earth,
\Over 5 miles of saline water pressure destroying ...\
Gen 7:20a Fifteen cubits (20-25 feet) upward did the waters prevail
\... Mt Everest ...\
--The Mt. shows evidence of not always being 29K high.
---micha9344 on 5/6/13


For decades I have endeavoured to read the Bible from cover to cover each year, and the NT twice. Eventually I have built up a picture of God's history with man, such as cannot come from the NT alone.
---Warwick on 5/5/13

Unreal. Think a resume covers a blindness?

I've driven a GMC Pickup truck every year for decades, hundreds of thousands of miles. I'm still not a truck.
A couple you missed...preacher.

Psalm 105:10
Confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, to Israel for an everlasting covenant:

John 10:12
But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
---Trav on 5/6/13


Jerry I think Trav has done a bunk, again!
......I feel the need of a translator!
---Warwick on 5/5/13

Hah. A bunk called a vacation. The two of you or a thousand bloglinked are not enough... for the scriptural witnesses against your doctrines of men.
If warwick was a sheep he would not need a translator. Going against the prophets instead of with them. How can he possibly understand anything scriptural?
As a ram, instead of a "wether", you wouldn't need a warwick.
Luke 24:25
Then he said unto them, O fools, and SLOW of heart to believe ALL that the prophets have spoken:
Luke 16:31
He said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded,......
---Trav on 5/6/13


Gen 7:24 the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.
\we don't know if it covered the whole world nor not.\
Gen 7:19 the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth, and all the high hills, that [were] under the whole heaven, were covered.
---micha9344 on 5/5/13

Note that Hills are not mountains.
Over 1,600 times the word "erets" is used as a land/country scale.
Erets as "land"- "And the flood was forty days upon the land" (Gen. 7:17), The water prevailed exceedingly upon the land" (Gen. 7:19), etc.
(Gen. 6:13). The planet earth was not destroyed nor were all flesh on the planet, only that flesh and land (erets) where Noah lived was destroyed.
---Trav on 5/6/13


warwick, I never said the flood wasn't global. I honestly need to go back and study that more. it seems hard to get out of the new testament.
---shira4368 on 5/5/13

I will say it. Note that warwick always slyly evades all the "other" problems. Over 5 miles of saline water pressure destroying every seed, bush, tree, grass, weed and nut over the entire planet. Nothing for them to even live on when they get out of the boat.
Yet the dove brought back an olive leaf! If the Ark boated over 29,000' (Mt Everest high, and the nearest fig grows at 4,000'...we need a world wide water drop of 25,000' to the fig tree.

The Dove? A dove may fly 150-600 miles per day.
---Trav on 5/6/13


Jed, the ark did not even have to house all the species of Noah's day, only the kinds from which species came. See Genesis 6:20 and 7:2 for example. The kinds include a far smaller number than do species.
---Warwick on 5/6/13


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The Bible is certainly clear that the flood covered the entire earth.

It's also important to note that there are more species of animals today than there have ever been. New species are constantly being created through inter-breeding and micro-evolution. The ark would not have needed to be nearly as large to accommodate all the species back then as it would need to be today.
---Jed on 5/5/13


Shira, correct, but you did say "we don't know if it covered the whole world nor not." If you carefully read God's account you will see it was global. Those who promote the local flood idea do not get it from Scripture but from man. Most also accept long ages/evolution. They believe the deep sedimentary rock layers worldwide (which I see as evidence of Noah's flood) were already there long before the flood occurred. Therefore they cannot believe in a world-wide flood preferring man's stories over God's word.

For decades I have endeavoured to read the Bible from cover to cover each year, and the NT twice. Eventually I have built up a picture of God's history with man, such as cannot come from the NT alone.
---Warwick on 5/5/13


warwick, I never said the flood wasn't global. I honestly need to go back and study that more. it seems hard to get out of the new testament.
---shira4368 on 5/5/13


Shira, the Bible does say how long the flood lasted. See Genesis 7:11 and 8:14.

It does say the flood was global. See Job 41:11. God tells us "..Whatever is under the whole heaven is mine." This language is used 6 times elsewhere always meaning universal/global, e.g. For example Genesis 7:19 says "the waters prevailed so mightily on the earth that all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered."

Does God own everything under the whole heaven or only those things under part of the heavens?

The NT also describes the flood as global: see Matthew 24:39 Jesus' words, Jesus again Luke 17:7, 2 Peter 2:5, 1 Peter 3:20, Hebrews 11:7, 2 Peter 3:6.
---Warwick on 5/5/13


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\God has the power to do anything that he wants.\
--But He restricts Himself to His Word, for He cannot lie.
Exo 20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is],
\maybe God had not created them yet.\
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
\the bible does not say how long the earth was flooded...\
Gen 7:24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.
\we don't know if it covered the whole world nor not.\
Gen 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth, and all the high hills, that [were] under the whole heaven, were covered.
---micha9344 on 5/5/13


God has the power to do anything that he wants. I just think He can do what He wants. He can make the animals on the ark hibernate and no food needed. another thing is, we don't really know how many animals were there. maybe God had not created them yet. the bible isn't clear about certain things. all we know is he rounded up the animals and put them on the ark. the animals had to have been passive because God made them passive. the bible does not say how long the earth was flooded but a flood is a flood. we don't know if it covered the whole world nor not. God bless
---shira4368 on 5/4/13


Jerry I think Trav has done a bunk, again!

I have a reasonable command of English but with him I feel the need of a translator!
---Warwick on 5/5/13


Trav: You claim to be a man of the Bible, but you are not. You don't believe the biblical account of a six-day Creation or the universal flood of Noah. You also don't seem to believe in the special creation of various animal "kinds".

Why is that? What then is the source of your belief system?



---jerry6593 on 5/2/13


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Michael I noticed a relevant point in Genesis 7:11-all the fountains of the great deep burst forth and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. It is beyond believability that anyone would imagine all the fountains of the great deep were contained in some small locality. And of course to reinterpret the verse to suit the local flood fable it should read some of the floodgates of heaven were opened.

Relevantly the scientist John Woodmorappe wrote a book 'Noah's Ark: A Feasibility Study" in which he demonstrates the ark was large enough to take all the necessary animals and feed.
---Warwick on 5/2/13


Trav, those who marched through the flood must have had wet weather gear!

You claim to be a Bible man while championing antiBiblical ideas!

'Erets' has, a number of meanings but in the context of Genesis ch's 6-9 means the whole earth. Words are defined by context.

In Job 41:11 God tells us "..Whatever is under the whole heaven is mine." This language is used 6 times elsewhere always meaning universal/global, e.g. For example Genesis 7:19 says "the waters prevailed so mightily on the earth that all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered."

Does God own everything under the whole heaven or just those in a local area?
---Warwick on 5/1/13


Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
This catastrophic event changed the layout of the whole Earth. Tectonic plates shifted and collided making massive mountain ranges. The water didn't need to cover any of the mountains we see today: they weren't there before the flood.
Many believe this took millions of years slowly, but evidence shows it to be sudden and severe.
---Micha9344 on 5/1/13


Trav,
Your envy of me is sad, even pathetic.
---Warwick on 4/30/13

LOL, mr humility. Thanks for the witness. I laughed out loud for a first here. Cryptic this. Who is envious of a blind man?
I freely offer one of my eyes but, you love dark more than light.
Your personalized doctrine desperately needs Noah lineage. Even though several civilizations march right through the flood period.
I see no marks of Noah on your heart. Your testimony is your introverted attitude, always a mark/sign of very low self esteem.

The massive global volume of water vapor in the air would have smothered everything. At your mountain height flood Everest and smaller. Michael defends his teaching, you climb another way.
---Trav on 5/1/13


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Trav, .... why anyone would build a massive vessel to escape a local flood? Too ridiculous.
BTW 'erets' also means the whole earth,..... Two Peter 3:16 says is was the whole world also.
---Warwick on 4/30/13

Erets: Translated "country" 140 times, "land" 1,476 times, "ground" 96 times in the Old Testament. Infers a limited land area. Whole of, would be the entire known area.
350 to 450,000 sq miles is not a little flood. GOD told him to build it not me. This massive boat is not massive enough for all worlds animals. Need over 30 Arks this size. You could do the math, but you defend a personal doctrine.
Peter?? They still thought the earth was flat and limited in that age.
---Trav on 5/1/13


trav,
I have fed about 40 cows for 6 months from what was stored in the barn.
---micha9344q on 4/29/13

Cool. Love shepherds. Stand corrected on the cow comment.
The animals have to eat when they leave the boat. The grasses, shrubs trees are under sediment. Rotted..world wide. Nothing for the carnivores to eat...all rotted. Pretty bleak. But then it is awfully top soil bleak in that part of the world to this day.
Boat had 1.2 million cubic feet. Global flood needs over 51 million cubic feet of boat space to work.

Fairy tales weaken children's faith, we should search a matter out to prove truth for them. Two dog theory of replenishing does not wash in timeline and location of present day animal life.
---Trav on 5/1/13


Trav, wrong again, the description of Noah's flood only fits with a global flood. For just one example can you imagine why anyone would build a massive vessel to escape a local flood? Too ridiculous.

You also talk of species on the ark when the Bible speaks only of 'kinds.' In kinds we have human, cat, cattle, dog etc. No species to be seen. For example Noah only had to take one pair of dogs. The fact that today all the various breeds of dogs can mate and produce viable offspring is proof that all dogs today are descended from the one original kind. The pair which went on the ark.

BTW 'erets' also means the whole earth, which fits with the description in Genesis ch's. 6-9. Two Peter 3:16 says is was the whole world also.
---Warwick on 4/30/13


Trav, when we remove the rambling, cryptic waffle from your blogs little remains.

Your envy of me is sad, even pathetic.

As Michael has plainly pointed out there was no air problem for Noah and co. as the ark was at sea level.

Again I ask: where do you get the 16,000 feet idea?
Now where do you get the 29,000ft idea?
---Warwick on 4/30/13


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At 16,000 feet above sea level, the oxygen gets very scarce. Where was Noah during the global flood?--at sea level.
---micha9344 on 4/30/13


Trav, I have been away for a few days and in that short time you have exposed yourself as a Bible Trasher.

Firstly where do you get the 16,000 feet idea?
---Warwick on 4/30/13

Man did I ever miss...humble, legend in his own mind-self.
With your congregations watching, you can't retreat or learn scripture/truths. You must go down with the ship/boat/swim tube.
In your flood. 29,000' mountain height + according to you... the fantastic amount of water vapor itself in air would have killed everyone.

2 Cor 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.
---Trav on 4/30/13


Trav, I have been away for a few days and in that short time you have exposed yourself as a Bible Trasher. With 'Christians' like you who needs enemies?

You wrote "There is no sustaining oxygen above 16,000 feet so you have a problem for everyone onboard." Firstly where do you get the 16,000 feet idea?

Secondly as the waters rose upon the earth where do you imagine the air went? As air is lighter than water it must rise upon the increasing water. If you truly feel the need to trash the Bible please come up with something intelligent.
---Warwick on 4/30/13


Travesty: Did someone leave the door to the children's room open again?
Too bad you've missed out on this one:
Heb 8:8 ... Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of ISRAEL and with the house of JUDAH:
---jerry6593 on 4/29/13

Ha. Come out for nibble at the heel. I've got you trained sort a scripture even if you bark too much. Heb 8:8/Jer 31:31 make GOD's point precisely.... you've noticed!
Chew/knash on Isaiah 43 awhile, and I'll bring you another: 43:1 But now thus saith the Lord that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name, thou art mine.
---Trav on 4/29/13


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How many families of animals are there in the land and air groups?
---micha9344q on 4/29/13

Few grass eaters are sheep size. Horses aren't. Oxen, buffalo, Hippo's, Wildebeast, most of the African species. Bears eat. Lions, cougars, tigers, hyena's etc.
You need the worlds grass,tree,weed,shrub groups. There is no sustaining oxygen above 16,000 feet so you have a problem for everyone onboard.
It is hard to unlearn what you and I were taught as children. Setting out to prove me wrong is a start. Do your own research on the number of species...non extinct at that time. The whole "erets" was flooded. Land or country...not the unknown Global-world. It was Noah's foolish mixed up relatives that were eradicated.
---Trav on 4/29/13


trav,
I have fed about 40 cows for 6 months from what was stored in the barn.
The barn has approx. 16,000 cubic feet of space for storage, only about 2\3 of that was used for food for the winter.
That equates to roughly 500 cubic feet of storage space needed for 1 cow for one year.
The stanchion a cow would stay on for the winter is about 250 cubic feet.
Since the average size of the animals in question are less than sheep size, it is easy to see how all of them could easily fit with enough food for a year.
How many families of animals are there in the land and air groups?
With aprox. 39 birds, 154 mammals, 80 reptiles, and 100 amphibians as families or subfamilies, the Ark had plenty of room.
---micha9344q on 4/29/13


Travesty: Did someone leave the door to the children's room open again?

Too bad you've missed out on this one:

Heb 8:8 ... Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of ISRAEL and with the house of JUDAH:



---jerry6593 on 4/29/13


And you claim no prophets witness for my position? Do you now say Isaiah was not a prophet!
---Warwick on 4/24/13

Correct. Your position is confusion...so one should not expect you to see scripture. I don't. The point is not to convince you, but to expose for any sheep searching.

Isa 1:5 O house of Jacob, come ye,let us walk in the light of the Lord.
Isaiah 51:1
Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the Lord: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged.

7 For the vineyard of the Lord of hosts is the house of Israel, the men of Judah his pleasant plant: he looked for judgment, but behold oppression, for righteousness, but behold a cry.
---Trav on 4/28/13


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micha: "He believes salvation is only offered to the remnant of Jacob"
My Bible tells me:
Gal 3:29 .....
---jerry6593 on 4/28/13

Heeler. Galations is speaking of Abrahams seed...generations of it. The key is understanding the word Christ's. It means anointed here.
Below are some of thousands of foundational scriptural. Don't be so afraid.
Isa 9:8 The Lord sent a word into Jacob, it hath lighted upon Israel.
8 But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend.
41:9 Fear thou not, for I am with thee: be not dismayed, for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee, yea, I will help thee, yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.
Matt 15:24....
---Trav on 4/28/13


Warwick:...Bible gives almost 3 chapters over to recount the once-only cataclysmic world-wide flood. ...the bible IS infallible.

does it stand on 'other' evidence?
---Peter9556 on 4/27/13

Very large flood, will stand scrutiny. World wide does not wash. Doesn't need to except to universalist, one worlders. Scripture doesn't translate world wide. The word is "erets", used over a thousand times in scripture meaning, country or land area.
GOD is infallible. Scripture was translated and transliterated by men. Warwick, his translations, the translators ....pretty fallible.
Warwick,bragging he once went nude on a beach, repented, was a J.Witness....we can by his own testimony see he faulty like the rest of us.
---Trav on 4/28/13


Over 3 million cubic feet of space was in Noah's ark, around 200,000 feet (about 5 acres) of floor space. ....
Some here still are in disbelief.
---micha9344 on 4/24/13

Well, I believe there was Noah's flood on a large 450,000sq mi scale. The space you listed is not enough for all the animals extinct now or not....and the food. Seven pairs of the clean animals and the food again. You've never fed a cow for a year I can see.
It would take thirty boats plus.
Many other problems. 5 miles of water pressure for months kills every seed, grass, weed, tree, shrub,insect etc into the tens of thousands of separate group species.
Truth sets us free...in this case from false doctrines.
---Trav on 4/28/13


Warwick: One comment I would make is the Bible gives almost 3 chapters over to recount the once-only cataclysmic world-wide flood. Therefore what would we expect to see world-wide today? We would expect to see billions of animals buried in sedimentary rock world-wide today. And that is exactly what we do see. Grand Canyon is layer upon layer of sedimentary rock, bearing fossils, down to a depth of c1.6km. The evidence supports these layers being deposited under deep, fast-flowing, water, As this is intesting, I will contact you later to see how well this evidence can be held as proof in scientific evidence without the use of 'Bible is infallible'

You and I both agree that the bible IS infallible.

does it stand on 'other' evidence?
---Peter9556 on 4/27/13


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micha: "He believes salvation is only offered to the remnant of Jacob"

My Bible tells me:

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

That includes you and me. Hallelujah!


---jerry6593 on 4/28/13


Genesis 7:19 says "the waters prevailed so mightily on the earth that all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered." This language is used 6 times elsewhere always meaning universal/global, e.g. Job 41:11 "..Whatever is under the whole heaven is mine." The local flood promoters would have us believe God only owns part of the heavens!

Someone said only an area of 450,000 square miles was covered by the flood. Scripture says (see above) all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered to a depth of c8 metres. Scripture also says the peaks were not visible until the 10th month. If the flood was local how could all the mountain peaks not be visible?
---Warwick on 4/25/13


There were seven pair of every clean animal that went on board and one pair of every unclean animal that went on board. Since then they have adapted to this earth that was changed after the flood which is why we have so many different specied.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/25/13


Jerry, you have to understand where Trav is coming from.
His notion that God is only the God of Israel is at the heart of it all.
He believes salvation is only offered to the remnant of Jacob, thus anything in the Bible that states otherwise must have a different meaning than that understood by eons of believers.
It seems a form a hyper-dispensationalism.
---micha9344 on 4/25/13


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//It was man's disbelief that got them in trouble.
Some here still are in disbelief.
---micha9344 on 4/24/13
//

They sure are! Take this statement of Trav's, for example:

"There was another flood, Noah's. It was not Global. It did not have pairs of every animal in the world on the boat."

That is in direct conflict with the Bible record. I don't understand the motivation to make God a liar and Darwin the prophet of truth. There has to be something missing in the Christian character.



---jerry6593 on 4/25/13


Trav, you would have us believe Jesus did not say "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations,(Nations is 'ethnos' i.e. gentiles) baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," Matthew 28:19. Or do you imagine Jesus got it wrong, that He did not know there were Gentile nations?

Isaiah 49:6 "I will make you as a light for the nations that my salvation may reach to the end of the earth." The word in Hebrew for nations is 'goy', are you now claiming the Goyim are Jews? Surely not. That is too bizarre, even for you. And you claim no prophets witness for my position? Do you now say Isaiah was not a prophet!
---Warwick on 4/24/13


Over 3 million cubic feet of space was in Noah's ark, around 200,000 feet (about 5 acres) of floor space.
This space is, by some estimates, 3x more than what was needed to hold 2 of every land and air animal family, as science now calls "kinds" for the most part, and their sustenance for a year.
It was man's disbelief that got them in trouble.
Some here still are in disbelief.
---micha9344 on 4/24/13


Trav,
Matt 28:19. 'nations' is the translation of the Greek 'ethnos' which refers to the non-Jewish people, the gentiles.
---Warwick on 4/22/13

Well, you live a doctrinal complication. No Prophets witness for your position. The ethnos you reference with, by context refer to the put away/divorced nations of Israel. Still Israel but,....non jewish/Judaic. Judah being 1/12th of the nations. Lost Sheep nations are the Northern house, the lost "ethnos". Separated from Judah/Benjamin and GOD through a putting away/divorce. Their messiah did not fail or lie. He fulfilled all prophecy, including finding these sheep. Even when you fail to see or find.
Acts 26:7
Unto which promise our twelve tribes, ..
---Trav on 4/24/13


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I have seen a number of claims about creation, but some I am not able to work out where they come from.
2) The flood destroyed the rocks as well as living things, and deposited material to a depth of over 1km.
Blog Question----

Will answer number 2. There was a global flood at the very beginning of the world in Genesis.

There was another flood, Noah's. It was not Global. It did not have pairs of every animal in the world on the boat. Research the word Hebrew word "erets" used for world, which meant land or country. Don't be lazy, research. Study,ask and prove. Forsake the doctrinal's who wallow where they are comfortable.
Don't forget the seven pairs of clean animals and the food for the animals.
---Trav on 4/24/13


Trav, Jesus does not lie, but said "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," Matthew 28:19. 'nations' is the translation of the Greek 'ethnos' which refers to the non-Jewish people, the gentiles. The same nations as per 25:32. This concurs with John 3:16.

Paul was the Apostles who went to the gentiles spreading the gospel to people-Jew and Gentile-over a vast area.

Jesus said "But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth" Acts 1:8
---Warwick on 4/22/13


\\Is-ra-el. Ruling with GOD.\\

Actually, "Israel" means "God strove," not "Ruling with God."
---Cluny on 4/21/13

O.K. You prefer the Wiki definition, is one of many near accurate. Mate to your doctrine.
Genesis a prince. As well, a servant people ruling on earth with GOD's authority I prefer the one linking with all scripture.
Gen 32:28
And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
1 Chr 17:22.
Isa 54:5
For thy Maker is thine husband, the Lord of hosts is his name, thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel, The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
As a wife Jer 3:14....
---Trav on 4/22/13


Dinosaurs, being beasts of the earth, were created on day 6 of creation (Gen 1:24-25).
Adam named all of the beasts of the field the same day before Eve was created (Gen 2:20).
The descriptions in Job, even the peotic, give descriptions of animals that today we would consider dinosaurs (Job 40:15). Hence, Noah had them on the massive ark 4 football fields long, a football field in length wide, and 4 stories high (Gen 6:15).
We see even in artwork, centuries before the discovery of dinosaurs, what would now be called dinosaurs.
---micha9344 on 4/22/13


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Trav, Matt 28:19-20 (and elsewhere) says. Also Acts 13:46 shows the word was first spoken to the Jews who Paul says "thrust it aside..." He continues "behold, we are turning to the Gentiles."
---Warwick on 4/21/13

So Jesus lied and failed accordinging to you and all the prophets are over ruled by warwick and Paul? Blaspheme logic on your part...in learned doctrinal ignorance to be sure.
Ignorance and jealousy of GOD's choice does not establish a truth preacher. Just a visible veering. I've yet to see you search for a sheep. By this sign of omission alone you are visible to me.
Adam the first Adamic generation man. Interesting that it was his own flesh that mislead him. Hmmmm.
---Trav on 4/22/13


\\Is-ra-el. Ruling with GOD.\\

Actually, "Israel" means "God strove," not "Ruling with God."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/21/13


I believe the Bible is correct and that God created all animal life at the same time. In Job He tells Job that He created the Behemoth with man. God also is not saying remember hearing about behemoth. God says to look "Look at behemoth" Job is seeing this creature. It is or was real. The word dinosaur was not used until the 1840's. Before that you need to refer to dragons which encompass most of what we call dinosaurs. You will also find many accounts in history of man encountering dragons. These are not fairy tales but all or most are historical records. Strabo, Marco Polo, Herodotus etc. recorded descriptions of these dragons.
---Daniel on 4/21/13


Trav, you appear to be saying Adam is not the man created in Genesis ch. 1, that Adam's creation is recounted in ch.2. Scripture contradicts this-1 Corinthians 15:45 says Adam is the first man, therefore it is he who was created, as per Genesis ch.1.

Also salvation is not only for the Jews, but for the Gentiles also, as Matthew 28:19-20 (and elsewhere) says. Also Acts 13:46 shows the word was first spoken to the Jews who Paul says "thrust it aside..." He continues "behold, we are turning to the Gentiles."

Salvation is for any who hear Jesus the Good Shepherd's voice-John Chapter 10.
---Warwick on 4/21/13


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Jessica regarding the things you were wondering about have your questions been answered?

One comment I would make is the Bible gives almost 3 chapters over to recount the once-only cataclysmic world-wide flood. Therefore what would we expect to see world-wide today? We would expect to see billions of animals buried in sedimentary rock world-wide today. And that is exactly what we do see. The Grand Canyon is layer upon layer of sedimentary rock, bearing fossils, down to a depth of c1.6km. The evidence supports these layers being deposited under deep, fast-flowing, water, in a short period of time. That is within the time-frame of the flood. All consistent with the Biblical account.
---Warwick on 4/21/13


However the whole thrust of the gospel in the NT says the historical happenings of Genesis are the only reason Jesus came to die and rise again.
However the long-ages views of some Christians mean death of man and animals precedes Adam's sin. Who is correct?
---Warwick on 4/20/13

Christ is correct. Christ fulfills all prophecy. Scripture mentions the sheep lost 6 times.
Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Who by your deduction were of Adam. The Gen 2 creation of a man to rule with GOD. Is-ra-el. Ruling with GOD.

Jeremiah 50:6
My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, ....
---Trav on 4/21/13


Well said Jed. Sadly reading these pages it seems many Christians are not prepared to accept God's word as written preferring to reinterpret it through man's long-ages evolutionary ideas.

Consider Colossians 2:8 which tells us we are not to be fooled by deceitful human thinking but to trust Jesus. Very relevantly Jesus says (Mark 10:6) man was made at the beginning of this creation in which we live. But some here say Jesus got it wrong preferring to believe the traditions of men which say man appeared billions of years after the beginning of creation.

"If one is disinclined to surrender to God, one is inclined to read the text in the light of our own culture" Kenneth Matthews Old Testament Scholar, Samford University.
---Warwick on 4/20/13


"...The book of Job mentions "Behemoth" & "Leviathan"...many believe to be large dinosaurs because no animals alive today fit the description. Also, many believe the "Tanniyn" mentioned in the Genesis creation include large animals not alive today...the flood...covered the mountain tops & every living thing was destroyed. This is likely what resulted in the massive coal & oil deposits we have today."
---jason9835 on 4/18/13


Ditto Jason. "And God created great whales [tanniyn], & every living creature that moves, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, & every winged fowl after his kind..." (G1:21, KJV)
---Leon on 4/20/13


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It also seems that this T. rex might have been pregnant, or carrying eggs, if I'm not mistaken.

Of course, there are stranger things in the universe than soft tissue 65 million years old--or only 6 thousand, for that matter.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/20/13


Jason: I believe you're right about the Paluxy River in Glen Rose, TX. There are fossilized human and dinosaur footprints together - running. There is even one child's footprint having crushed a trilobite - a creature presumed extinct for millions of years.

Most people aren't aware that there are human fossils in ancient limestones as well as coal beds. Such facts are covered up to preserve the godless evolutionary paradigm. They are also not aware that the highly accurate accelerator mass spectrometer method of Carbon 14 dating gives similar dates for ALL fossils - about 4,500 years BP - the date of Noah's flood.



---jerry6593 on 4/20/13


Jessica, I think the belief that dinosaurs were around at the same time as people is the only logical result of all living things being created within a two day period. If all the air and sea animals were animals were created on day 5, and all the land animals and man were created the following day, then dinosaur/man coexistence is the only logical conclusion. Unless of course, you don't actually believe the Bible's account of creation. In that case, why even bother to read the Bible at all?
---Jed on 4/20/13


In 1990 a very well preserved T-Rex skeleton was found with some parts of the bone not completely fossilized. The skeleton was taken to Montana State University's lab for analysis, by Dr Mary Schweitzer. Investigation exposed blood cells (unfossilized) in the bone. More recent analysis revealed stretchy blood vessels and cells, leading to Dr Schweitzer exclaiming " How could these cells last for 65 million years? She was puzzled only because she believes dinosaurs became extinct 65 million years ago, and that these soft tissues are compelling evidence the T-Rex was buried no more than a few thousand years ago, consistent with the Biblical timeline.

You can read up on it by searching 'Sensational Dinosaur Blood Report.'
---Warwick on 4/20/13


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Jesus and the apostles continually quoted from the OT as historical reality. For example they quoted from the first 11 chapters of Genesis 107 times alone, always as historical reality. At judgement would you feel confident to tell Jesus why you do not believe all His word?

Some say just believe Jesus died and rose again for our sins-don't worry about the detail. However the whole thrust of the gospel in the NT says the historical happenings of Genesis are the only reason Jesus came to die and rise again. Did the Holy Spirit get that wrong?

We must realize the Bible says Adam's sin introduced death into the world. However the long-ages views of some Christians mean death of man and animals precedes Adam's sin. Who is correct?
---Warwick on 4/20/13


I agree with Jason. The descriptions of 'Behemoth' (Job ch.41), and 'Leviathan', (ch. 41) do not describe any extant creature. Behemoth is described as a large powerful creature, with a tail like a cedar tree, which fits with one of the large herbivorous dinosaurs. Leviathan could be a dinosaur or sea-going reptile. Some have suggested Behemoth was either an elephant or hippopotamus, however they do not fit the description.

Worldwide there are many depictions of what appear to be dinosaurs. For example there is a carving on the temple of Angkor Wat which looks exactly like a Stegosaurus. Of course the sceptics will not agree as it does not fit in with their long-ages/evolutionary views. Don't let the fact interfere with a good story!
---Warwick on 4/19/13


Jessica, I think about such things very casually. Once warm-blooded creatures were here, they could have eaten bones of dinosaurs so bones of the two do not appear within the same level . . . I'm guessing (c: But a worldwide flood could have had moon-effected worldwide tidal waving and washing major amounts of dirt over dino bones and the vegetation now in the form of deep-down oil etc. Heavier bones could have sunk deeper during the stirring "and in the soft mud not hardened yet"? Guessing (c:
---willie_c: on 4/19/13


trey, with this exception, dinosaur fossils are not found above the K/T boundary.

And I've heard that some creatures in Job might really be dinosaurs. But remember that Job was written in poetic form, so not everything is called to be taken literally. The neck of a horse does not have actual thunder on it.

But these are not matters over which I lose sleep. I don't believe I'll be quizzed on paleontology at the Last Judgement. Matthew 25 are the final examination questions.
---Cluny on 4/19/13


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Cluny may also be referring to the Paluxy River.

The book of Job mentions "Behemoth" and "Leviathan", both of which many believe to be large dinosaurs because no animals alive today fit the description. Also, many believe the "Tanniyn" mentioned in the Genesis creation include large animals not alive today. As for the flood, they are extremely destructive. The bible says the flood waters covered the mountain tops and every living thing was destroyed. This is likely what resulted in the massive coal and oil deposits we have today.
---jason9835 on 4/18/13


Cluny,
You are referring to the Mt Blanco Fossil Museum in Crosbyton, TX. The museum is ran by Joe Taylor and he is a Christian and one of the U.S.'s leading Paleontologist. He is extremely intelligent. He is plain spoken and he teaches creation and that dinosaurs, existed along side of man before the flood.
---trey on 4/18/13


Somewhere in Texas is an exposed stratum that is claimed to show both a dinosaur footprint AND a human one together.

However, this would be totally anomalous. One does not base laws upon anomalies.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/18/13


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