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Miracles In The Bible

Do you see the miracles in the OT foreshadowing the NT.
Or even miracles done by Jesus in a systematic direction to his final new covenant with us in the Last Supper with the Holy Eucharist.

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MarkV, the Jewish people had their faith rituals BEFORE written ones.
How dare you call Jesus' death pagan. Everyone knows the sign of the cross represents all 4 Gospel's accounts of Jesus' death.
My daily actions is all Christian.
You might just talk about bible, I LIVE the bible.
---nikki on 5/2/13


Because, Without the Bible, the Word of God, you would have no Church." Get that right. "Jesus Christ is the Word, who testifies of God." He is the Head of the Church, the gathering of believers, reconciled to God, who believe in Him through faith, and all are a part of the body of Christ. Your institution only brought false idea's from sinful man, ideas not found in Scripture, the Bible, the Word of God, Jesus Christ.
---Mark_V. on 5/2/13

Mark,

Where does Jesus tell us he is sending us a collections of books for us to follow?
---Ruben on 5/2/13


Ruben, you are so wrong when you say,

" W/o the Church we would have no Bible." that is an anti-christ statement,

Because, Without the Bible, the Word of God, you would have no Church." Get that right. "Jesus Christ is the Word, who testifies of God." He is the Head of the Church, the gathering of believers, reconciled to God, who believe in Him through faith, and all are a part of the body of Christ. Your institution only brought false idea's from sinful man, ideas not found in Scripture, the Bible, the Word of God, Jesus Christ.
---Mark_V. on 5/2/13


Mark_Eaton * Without the Bible, we would have no record of what Jesus said or did.

Using the bible give me the BCV that lists the books that are in the bible. W/o the Church we would have no Bible.

Mark_Eaton * We have all played the schoolyard game of whispering something in a persons ear and passing it around. When it returns to us, it is inevitably changed.

Then do not read the Gospel of Luke, because that is what he did.

Mark_Eaton * Such would have been the state of the church without the written record. Without the Written Word, the church would have perished.

John's gospel tell us (Jhn 20:25) not everything Jesus said or did was wriiten down, it would take too many books.
---Ruben on 5/2/13


Nikki, Here you say,
"I make the sign of the cross- Many passages of the Gospel.
Rosaries 20 mysteries from the Gospels and Revelation.
Ritual produces a living bible"

So what you are saying is that pagan rituals produces a living bible? They have rituals too. Just like you do. Or are yours the only ones that count? The Jews had written Word of God which passdown through time. As History continued, God inspired writers to write down what the Spirit inspired them to write. Under the New Covenant we are not under rituals. The ceremonial (those ritual observances that pointed forward to the final atonement in Christ and the judicial or civil (those laws prescribed for use in Israel's civil goverment were done away with.
---Mark_V. on 5/2/13




schoolyard game of whispering something in a persons ear and passing it around. When it returns to us, it is inevitably change.. Without the Written Word, the church would have perished.--Mark_Eaton

The Jewish Faith is the only religion that kept God's commands and history of their people to the next generation until the Jesus' arrival.
How?
TRADITION! ACTION AND STORIES KEEPS EVERYTHING ACCURATE.

These rituals in the Jewish faith, RCC and Orthodox faith can continue without the Bible, because Jesus words are it our liturgical practice day in and day out.

I make the sign of the cross- Many passages of the Gospel.
Rosaries 20 mysteries from the Gospels and Revelation.
Ritual produces a living bible.
---Nikki on 5/1/13


Nikki, you say,
" Whenever they gathered together in homes, burial area they would had the HOLY MASS THE CHURCHES WERE TO SAME IN THOSE HOMES AS IN MY CHURCH TODAY."
First, nowhere are we told in the Bible that believers were to have Mass at churches. Not one time is it mention. And your church is an institution not an organicism.
Then say,
Church is when the Priest offers up the bread and wine to the Holy Spirit to change the bead and wine to Jesus'blood and bread." Jesus never turns to bread or wine. You are going against the Holy Trinity when you say such things. Communion is symbolic of His death.
---Mark_V. on 5/1/13


Still no mention from Jesus in all 4 Gospels about the NT Bible. He already set up the Church which HE knew will compose a Bible in the near future for the Church
---Nikki on 4/30/13

May I interject?

Without the Bible, we would have no record of what Jesus said or did. Passing on a people is well and good, but without a written record things change.

We have all played the schoolyard game of whispering something in a persons ear and passing it around. When it returns to us, it is inevitably changed.

Such would have been the state of the church without the written record. Without the Written Word, the church would have perished.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/30/13


\\ God to make him a help meet.
---shira4368 on 4/29/13\\

There is no such phrase as "help meet", shira, and it is not the archaic form of the non-word "helpmate."

"Meet" here is an adjective, not a noun, meaning "proper or suitable."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/30/13


MarkV, when Jesus told Simon he is now Peter which means rock, and HE is building His leaving a Church. Foundation Church on Peter it is same aslaid.
People are the Church. Whenever they gathered together in homes, burial area they would had the HOLY MASS THE CHURCHES WERE TO SAME IN THOSE HOMES AS IN MY CHURCH TODAY.

Paul was going after men and women practicing 'the way'. Church is when the Priest offers up the bread and wine to the Holy Spirit to change the bead and wine to Jesus'blood and bread. JESUS COMMANDED US TO DO THIS ALWAYS.

Still no mention from Jesus in all 4 Gospels about the NT Bible. He already set up the Church which HE knew will compose a Bible in the near future for the Church
---Nikki on 4/30/13




At the least, the woman had to be of child-bearing age to be fruitful and multiply, eh? Besides, aren't we all children of God no matter how old we are including people as old as I. ,)
---Steveng on 4/29/13


well anyone with a brain can read genesis and know man was created. we don't know if they were babies or not. adam had to be an adult for God to make him a help meet.
---shira4368 on 4/29/13


Orthodoxy holds that Adam and Eve WERE created as young children, but not necessarily babes.
---Cluny on 4/29/13
Based on what?
---francis on 4/29/13


Gen 1:27-28a So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him, male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply...
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.
Gen 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. Gen 2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
It seems like quite the adults to me, not children nor adolescent.
---micha9344 on 4/29/13


\\Adam and Eve were never children. \\

Orthodoxy holds that Adam and Eve WERE created as young children, but not necessarily babes.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/29/13


Nikki, you say,
"Jesus left a Church, not the Bible. I think we told you that before."
The Greek word for church is "Ekklesia," which literally means "called out" Jesus would build His church by calling out a people to be His own, forgiving sins, and reconciling them to God by His death and resurrection. Also notice when Paul persecuted the church, it didn't mean he vandalized holy buildings or attacked a religious institutions as yours. Rather, he persecuted holy people.
"Saul began to destroy the church. Going from house to house, he dragged man and women and put them in prison." (Acts 8:3).

Logically, Jesus Christ is and always will be the Head of His ekklesia.
---Mark_V. on 4/29/13


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Hopefully stop telling people to bury statues of St Joseph in the ground to help them sell their house!---TheSeg on 4/28/13

Even I laughed.
Good one.
---Nikki on 4/28/13


That is what the RCC teach, the tradition of man not God's...The RCC traditions come to them from man, not from God's Word. The reason Scripture is not final Authority to them.---Mark_V. on 4/28/13

Jesus left a Church, not the Bible. I think we told you that before.
Adam and Eve were never children.
Cain and Abel were the first children.
Logically, who would have the final authority- the parents or the children?

As for Tradition, lets go head to head on this matter.

Tell me a REAL tradition of the Catholic Church, and I will try to give you Scriptures to satisfy you.
---Nikki on 4/28/13


markv, if you don't believe in the beginning was God and the Word was with God and the Word is God, you need to go study more. that is the trinity in God's words. I didn't make them up. I do know how to bake bread. I bet you don't believe Jesus was the bread do you? do you think He is a lily? do you think He is a star? there are many many more. each have their own meaning and God is all of them.
---shira4368 on 4/28/13


Hopefully stop telling people to bury statues of St Joseph in the ground to help them sell their house!

I'm sorry, but I just had to!
It's like a tradition with me!
Peace
---TheSeg on 4/28/13


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Nikki, you gave a good example of the tradition of the RCC, you said,
"Tradition: is a belief or behavior passed down within a group or society with symbolic meaning or special significance with origins in the past." That is what the RCC teach, the tradition of man not God's. That is why Jesus rebuke the Pharisees. They were not teaching the oracles of God but their own. The RCC traditions come to them from man, not from God's Word. The reason Scripture is not final Authority to them. Jesus said,
"Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition, Ye Hypocrites"(Matt. 15:3,6,7).
---Mark_V. on 4/28/13


\\God did not tell the Jews to follow traditions\\

But He did tell CHRISTIANS to do so.

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Now what are you going to do?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/27/13


God did not tell the Jews to follow traditions..."Why do you also transgress the commandment of God 'because of your tradition?" (Matt. 3).---Mark_V. on 4/27/13

Note Jesus said 'your' tradition, not God's tradition. A difference.

Tradition: is a belief or behavior passed down within a group or society with symbolic meaning or special significance with origins in the past.

Luke 2:41-42 Each year his parents went to Jerusalem for the feast of Passover, and when he was twelve years old, they went up according to festival custom.

If you're referring to Christmas trees, they were cooked up by German Protestants.---Cluny on 4/26/13 Good one!
---Nikki on 4/27/13


\\Idols which cannot speak, move, answer prayers in the RCC and E. Orthodox churches.
---Mark_V. on 4/27/13\\

As I've asked you before, Mark_V, if you're going to criticize the Orthodox Church, please criticize what she actually does, and not what you think Roman Catholics do.

Would you be so kind?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/27/13


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Cluny, you only read the first part of the message in Jeremiah and did not read the rest. It was not speaking about Christmans tree's, they are not idols, they are Christmans trees. The passage is speaking about Idols, here let me finish it for you,
" Like a sacrecrow in a melon patch, their idols cannot speak, they must be carried because they cannot walk. Do not fear them, they can do no harm nor can they do any good.. What the craftsman and goldsmith have made is then dressed in blue and purple-all made by skilled workers.
"But the Lord is the true God, He is the living God, the eternal King"

Idols which cannot speak, move, answer prayers in the RCC and E. Orthodox churches.
---Mark_V. on 4/27/13


\\Nikki, you don't realize your a slave to the RCC. Almost like the lost inslave to sin.
"The customs of the people are worthless, they cut a tree out of the forest, and a craftman shape it with his chisel. They adorn it with silver and gold, they fasten it with a hammer and nails so it will not totter\\

If you're referring to Christmas trees, they were cooked up by German Protestants.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/26/13


Nikki, you said,

"Stop and think why God told the Jews to follow tradition as He told them. God knows the human man more than creatures because He made us."
God did not tell the Jews to follow traditions. Jesus condemned the Pharisees for their traditions.
"Jesus answered and said to them, "Why do you also transgress the commandment of God 'because of your tradition?" (Matt. 3). God commandment something, and they turned it around for their own purpose. Just as the RCC did and still does with the commandments of God.
"These people draw near to Me with their mouths, and honor Me with their lips. but their heart is far from Me" (v.15:8).
---Mark_V. on 4/27/13


MarkV, if it wasn't for Jewish keeping the Traditions of their fathers, we wouldn't have the rich customs of Jesus way of life on earth.
Stop and think why God told the Jews to follow tradition as He told them. God knows the human man more than creatures because He made us.
We are FORGETFUL people.
Traditions keeps us focus on God. Actions are stronger than words.

James 2:14-19
V18 Indeed someone might say, "You have faith and I have works," Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you from my works.

The RCC and Orthodox Churches preserved the Christian' beliefs through the centuries.
I can't even compare a Protestant Church from 1913 to now in 2013.
CAN YOU?
---Nikki on 4/26/13


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Nikki, as to your answer I am also shocked as to how you will go to belief a lie, with the passage you gave in,
"Matthew 28:20 "....And behold, I AM WITH YOU ALWAYS, UNTIL THE END OF THE AGE."
He is not only with us but in us, in Spirit only. He could not be with the disciples til the end of the age in His humanity while in His ministry. No passage in the New Testement tells us that Jesus in His humanity was in two or three places at one time. In His humanity He witnessed from one town to another.
You will twist Scripture to belief a lie. That is why you belief you eat Jesus, and that Jesus turns to a piece of bread.
---Mark_V. on 4/26/13


Nikki, you don't realize your a slave to the RCC. Almost like the lost inslave to sin.
"The customs of the people are worthless, they cut a tree out of the forest, and a craftman shape it with his chisel. They adorn it with silver and gold, they fasten it with a hammer and nails so it will not totter. Like a sacrecrow in a melon patch, their idols cannot speak, they must be carried because they cannot walk. Do not fear them, they can do no harm nor can they do any good.. What the craftsman and goldsmith have made is then dressed in blue and purple-all made by skilled workers.
"But the Lord is the true God, He is the living God, the eternal King"
(Jeremiah 10:3-5, 9-10). The word of God.
---Mark_V. on 4/26/13


What God commanded Moses to make in Exodus 25 does not contradict His hate for idolatry as written in the ten commandments.
The difference is the Ark of the Covenant was specifically instructed by God and the pattern of it given to man by Him.---christan on 4/24/13

You make me smile.
You don't even believe what you wrote above, and you want to conceive me?

Take some advice.
Believe in your own response before blogging.
Pray before you blog, ask God for inspiration.
Nice try.
Peace
---Nikki on 4/26/13


Nikki, You ask, "Can Jesus do anything?" Jesus could not do everything. In His humanity He could not be in two places at one time, the reason the Comforter had to come.--Mark_V.

I am shock. Jesus can do anything and everything.

Comforter is sent to reminds of everything He taught them.
Jesus can be in multiple places at ONCE.
Matthew 28:20 "....And behold, I AM WITH YOU ALWAYS, UNTIL THE END OF THE AGE."

As for the Comforter or Holy Spirit, He is sent to give us gifts with graces

Act 1:8 "But you will receive power when the holy Spirit comes upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, throughout Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."
---Nikki on 4/25/13


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Nikki, if anyone's in the trap (for you have already fallen in it), it's your doctrine you hold so closely to your heart. What God commanded Moses to make in Exodus 25 does not contradict His hate for idolatry as written in the ten commandments.

The difference is the Ark of the Covenant was specifically instructed by God and the pattern of it given to man by Him. God does not break His own laws as insinuated by you. Did God gave the Vatican the patterns and plans to build such temples that filled with statues of stones and relics, as He did with Moses? Read the Bible!

Your habitual reference to the Scriptures in using it to justify your abominations is nothing short of foolishness.
---christan on 4/24/13


Nikki, you do not think before you ask. You ask,
"Can Jesus do anything?"
Jesus could not do everything. In His humanity He could not be in two places at one time, the reason the Comforter had to come. In His Divine nature, He could not lie. He cannot go against His own nature, character or attributes. Jesus could not turn Himself to a piece of bread, because bread has no life in it and Jesus is life.
As God, he can order man to do things like carve images of the snake and the cherubins, for His own purpose and will, and can turn around and command us not to do things that will effect our lives. Israel fail into adolatry all the time, the very reason Idol worship and craven images were band by God.
---Mark_V. on 4/24/13


christan, YOU keep falling into the same trap.
Exodus 20 10 commandment

Plan of the ARK Exodus 25:10-22
..Make two cherubim of beaten GOLD for the two ends of the propitiatory, fastening them so that one CHERUB spring direct from each end. The CHERUBIM shall have their wing spread out above, covering the propitiatory with them, they shall be turned toward each other, but with their FACES looking toward the propitiatory. THIS PROPITIATORY YOU SHALL THEN PLACE ON TOP OF THE ARK. IN THE ARK ITSELF YOU ARE TO PUT THE COMMANDMENTS WHICH I WILL GIVE YOU.

Strange? Did God forget the 1st commandment said no graven images???

Plus, if anyone touching the Ark they are dead.
Golden Statues can touch the Ark, but not us.
---Nikki on 4/23/13


"I'm not making Jesus a piece of bread. Jesus made HIMSELF BREAD." Nikki

Say what?

"For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come." 1 Corinthians 11:24,25. Did Paul say, "For as often as ye eat his body, and drink his blood..."?

And you have the audacity to say, "I take Jesus' Words as He states them" and yet when Scripture says, "Thou shalt not make unto thee ANY graven image, or ANY likeness of ANY thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth." You are up in arms with regards to your statues and whatever relics you possess.
---christan on 4/23/13


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MarkV, the question you need to ask yourself is this:
CAN JESUS DO ANYTHING?

You and I both know you have to say YES.
So, if He can do anything since He is God, and states My Body is TRUE BREAD and my Blood is TRUE DRINK, it is possible right? RIGHT!

Just because it is beyond your imagination or mindbogglingly.
It sounds foolish to you or crazy, remember one thing.
HIS IS GOD and you are NOT!
JUST TRUST HIM
---Nikki on 4/23/13


If I understand this correctly, the Eucharist is a part of the celebration of the Lord's supper of bread and wine

Exodus 16:4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you,
John 6:50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.

1 Corinthians 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come

so i can see the connection
---francis on 4/23/13


Nikki, you are so wrong and insist you are right and by doing so you jeopardize the true facts of the Trinity. Jesus never became a piece of bread, or a vine, or a door. This are metaphors. Jesus used the imagery of agricultural for vine, life as bread, and the imagery of a sheep pen door. But at no time did He turned to a door, vine, or piece of bread. The same holds true for the believers, we don't turn to sheep, or to lights when it is said, "you are the light of the world". It is shear nonsense for anyone to believe such nonsense.
Christ is no more a piece of bread than Christians are photo-emitters.
---Mark_V. on 4/23/13


john 1:1 IN the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
---shira4368 on 4/23/13


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You should learn how to interpret passages before you make Jesus a piece of bread.
---Mark_V. on 4/22/13

THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM, not mine. I take Jesus' Words as He states them. I am not a god. Just because I don't understand His Words, doesn't mean I can disobey them. I don't dare to make excuses, jokes and call His Words names as some does on this site calling Jesus a wafer.

I'm not making Jesus a piece of bread. Jesus made HIMSELF BREAD.

What is amazing to me is that if a person placed a piece of meat in front of you and you asked what is the meat, you would accept the answer beef.
You don't know that it isn't horse meat. You will take a complete strange's word, but refuse to take Jesus' Words????
---Nikki on 4/23/13


\\How is this: "...the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are One in God" any different to "...the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one"?\\

What do you have against using Biblical phraseology and formulae, christan?

Why do you think that your terminology is better?

That's the real issue here.

As a matter of fact, the placement of a preposition or casting of a sentence CAN change the meaning of the plain words of the Bible. It seems to be YOU who does not understand this rule in English.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/23/13


"What you are saying means that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are DIFFERENT from God." Cluny

You seriously need to buck up on your understanding of the English language. How is this: "...the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are One in God" any different to "...the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one"?

Goodness gracious! Your frustration and anger is seriously blinding you not only spiritually but physically in the flesh to understand English when you read.
---christan on 4/22/13


\\I say, "I rather say the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are One in God."

Is it really any different from the Bible?\\

Yep.

What you are saying means that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are DIFFERENT from God.

When it comes to phraseology, Christians prefer what the Bible says. I don't know about you.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/22/13


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Nikki, Christan was right, in order to argue you point on the Eucharist, with him, you put the Trinity out there as your weapon. Do you not realize what you are doing? Cults put the Trinity out there to take shots at. And what do you do? You do the same thing they do, take shots at the Trinity. You believe in the Trinity, why would you use the same methods they use? Couldn't you find a better word? It is no wonder the cults think we are all messed up with the Trinity. You give the cults a reason.
A body was prepared for Christ, not a piece of bread. If He did, we would have the Father, the bread, and the Holy Spirit. He is not a piece of bread. You should learn how to interpret passages before you make Jesus a piece of bread.
---Mark_V. on 4/22/13


Francis, I agree with you. But, wouldn't you say that all miracles in the OT are lesser miracles than it's counter part in the NT?
---Nikki on 4/22/13

I would have to think about that.
Your answers seem very reasonable

I would need much time to thnk about all miracles, ( floating axe head) and see if there is a NT relationship
---francis on 4/22/13


Cluny, I understand from your comment of "Notice that christan would rather say something besides what the Bible says. I find that significant." is a clear indication of your weakness in the English language .

What is it that I've said that's any different from the Bible? Maybe you want to read the quote once again,

Bible says: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

I say, "I rather say the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are One in God."

Is it really any different from the Bible? Sounds like you're getting rather personal without a cause.
---christan on 4/21/13


Christan, I have the whole chapter 6 to back up the Eucharist, whereas you only have about 3 verses to back up the Trinity. Which I believe in the Trinity. I don't need Jesus to tell me more than once to believe Him.
But, I guess when Jesus states "My body is TRUE food and my blood is TRUE drink", you still refuse not to believe Him.

I will pray for the grace of faith for you.
---Nikki on 4/22/13


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Francis, I agree with you. But, wouldn't you say that all miracles in the OT are lesser miracles than it's counter part in the NT?

For example, Joseph being sold for 20 pieces of silver in the OT, and Jesus being betrayed with 30 pieces of silver.

So if God fed the Israelite with bread from heaven and water from a rock for the long 40 years journey until the promise land in the OT.

It is seems natural to me that Jesus who himself states He is the true bread from heaven and His blood is true drink for journey until our final home in Heaven.
So thinking Jesus is only speaking in spiritual symbolism doesn't make His miracle greater than His Father's miracle in the OT.
---Nikki on 4/22/13


Nikki, desperate but good try. Using the Trinity (which theologians use to describe the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as ONE) to justify "eucharist" is very lame. Trinity is used in reference to God, who's three in one.

Whereas your "eucharist" is peculiar to only the Roman Catholic pagan worship of the mass where you sacrifice Christ every other day and insinuate that the wafer and wine actually turns in the real body and blood of Christ. If that's not witchcraft, I do not know what is.

If someone wants to call the Father, Son and Holy Ghost the Holy Trinity, I have no problems with that. That doesn't mean I have to stand in support of your "eucharist" doctrine.
---christan on 4/21/13


Numbers 20:8 speak ye unto the rock before their eyes, and it shall give forth his water,
1 Corinthians 10:4 for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Exodus 16:4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you,
John 6:50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.

1 Corinthians 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
---francis on 4/21/13


-Nikki I owe you an apology from " authority of men blog."

I am sorry I quoted someone else for you
---francis on 4/21/13


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Nikki,

Yes, I see many of the miracles in the old testament foreshadowing our eternal salvation, God's providential care, and the Church Age that we live in now.

The Lord delivering the children of Israel from Egypt. Christ delivered us from death, hell and the grave.

Some of the children of Israel entering the promise land and some living outside the promise land. Some of God's people live in the church and some don't.

The children of Israel passing through the Red Sea. All God's children being baptized by the Spirit of God.

David slaying Golliath with his own sword. Christ saying us by dieing on the cross.

etc.
---trey on 4/21/13


\\As for trinity, the Holy Bible says "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." I rather say the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are One in God.\\

Notice that christan would rather say something besides what the Bible says.

I find that significant.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/21/13


ALL worldly denominational churches are a creation of Satan the father of division. Satan has had over two thousand years of dividing cristiandom up into their own little cults each having their own rituals, traditions, ways of living and interpretations of the bible. This is part of the great delusion when christians who think they are christians, but are not. Your denominational churches are also controlled by the government.

By the way, the word "trinity" is not in the bible, but is implied as being three. Man shortened the phrase to make it easier to say. What did William Shakespeare say? "A rose by any other name is still a rose."
---Steveng on 4/21/13


As for trinity, the Holy Bible says "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." I rather say the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are One in God. Happy?-christan on 4/20/13

NO, I asked if the word TRINITY IS IN THE BIBLE.
please give chapter and verse with the exact word TRINITY

As Justin indicated, the word Eucharist is from the Greek word & #949, & #8016, & #967, & #945, & #961, & #953, & #963, & #964, & #943, & #945, (eucharistia), which means thanksgiving
---Nikki on 4/21/13


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"Eucharist means 'Good gift'. Because Jesus is good and is giving HIMSELF to us (gift)" Nikki

Really? Is that from the Bible or from the Vatican encyclopedia? There's no such mention of this "eucharist" in the Holy Bible, so it must be from the latter.

This is the definition of "eucharist" from the dictionary:

"1. the sacrament of Holy Communion, the sacrifice of the Mass, the Lord's Supper. 2. the consecrated elements of the Holy Communion, especially the bread. 3. Mass, esp when regarded as the service where the sacrament of the Eucharist is administered."

Err... you were saying? Shame on you as a RC for not knowing what the "Eucharist" is.
---christan on 4/20/13


Nikki, your Catholic Encyclopedia with reference to the "Eucharist" says - "The name given to the Blessed Sacrament of the Altar in its twofold aspect of sacrament and Sacrifice of Mass, and in which Jesus Christ is truly present under the bread and wine."

"Altar"? Do Christians have altars they go to worship today? Sounds more like temple worshipping rather than "...they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth."

As for trinity, the Holy Bible says "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." I rather say the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are One in God. Happy?
---christan on 4/20/13


The great "assumption" is just that.IE
God wanted it
God could do it
Therefore it was done!
---1st_cliff on 4/20/13


\\nor did she not suddenly disappear and go to heaven,\\

That's not the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church, though some think it is.

\\ she died like all human beings die and was buried.\\

We already know that. But like that of her Son, her tomb is empty.

Her body was assumed into Heaven AFTER she died. THIS is what the Roman Catholic Church (and other pre-Reformation Apostolic Chruches) teach.

If you're going to criticize Roman Catholic teachings, don't use straw-man arguments.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/20/13


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Nikki, the miracles you speak of are miracles the RCC created for their own purposes, all of them had an agenda.
---Mark_V. on 4/20/13
HEY IDIOT Nikki has not named ONE miracle of the RCC.
Nikki asked:

Do you see the miracles in the OT foreshadowing the NT. Or even miracles done by Jesus in a systematic direction to his final new covenant with us in the Last Supper with the Holy Eucharist.

where do you see RCC miracle in that?

What is your agenda?
---francis on 4/20/13


The Orthodox greeting for the Nativity is "Christ is born!" and the response is "Glorify Him!", not "Merry Christmas."

Though I don't see what this has to do with the subject. Just more reproaches that really encourage us.

\\And me cursing you? Dream on, that doctrine of yours is already cursed. And please stop flattering yourself.
---christan on 4/19/13\\

Thank you, christan.

Another blessing!

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/20/13


Nikki, the miracles you speak of are miracles the RCC created for their own purposes, all of them had an agenda. Jesus never turned into a piece of bread, or a car, boot, house, carrot, or a dog. He is the same yesterday, today and forever. Mary was never sinless, nor did she not suddenly disappear and go to heaven, she died like all human beings die and was buried. There is no miracle in a priest forgiving the sins of man against God, only God can forgive them. There is no miracle in purgatory, since once you die, there is no second chances. Saints cannot answer prayer, those who died have turned to dust. And there is many more false miracles.
---Mark_V. on 4/20/13


I challenge you to even find the word Eucharist in the Holy Bible you so imagine that it's a Christian thing.--christan on 4/19/13

Eucharist means 'Good gift'
Because Jesus is good and is giving HIMSELF to us (gift)

I challenge you to find the word 'TRINITY' in the Bible.
---Nikki on 4/20/13


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---Nikki on 4/18/13
Luke 8:43 And a woman having an issue of blood twelve years, Came behind him, and touched the border of his garment: and immediately her issue of blood stanched.

Mark 5:41 And he took the damsel by the hand, and said unto her, Talitha cumi, which is, being interpreted, Damsel, I say unto thee, arise. And straightway the damsel arose, and walked, for she was of the age of twelve years.

On his way to raise up a YOUNG TWELVE year old from sleep, he stopped theBLOOD of the old woman who was bleeding for TWELVE years

He stopped the blood of the old covenant woman, and raised to life a new woman

In these miracle we have the number TWELVE, OLD BLOOD, and TWO WOMEN,
symbolic? maybe maybe not
---francis on 4/19/13


Cluny,

Insults? How is telling the truth an insult? For example, how's pointing out to you that come that time of year you wish one another "Merry Christmas" and then proceed to tell the world it's Christ's birthday (which the Bible doesn't even make mention of such a day of celebration to be done), an insult? How?

You know what's an insult? Saying "Merry Christmas" when we are explicitly told in Isaiah 53:3, "He is despised and rejected of men, a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief." That's an insult!

And me cursing you? Dream on, that doctrine of yours is already cursed. And please stop flattering yourself.
---christan on 4/19/13


Thank you, christan!

Your insults are compliments, your reproaches are encouragements, and your curses merely bless me and increase my heavenly treasure.

Keep up the good work!

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/19/13


"\\You mean the Roman Catholic dogma of the Eucharist.\\ It's also the doctrine of the Orthodox Church..." Cluny

Now you know why Scripture says Mother of Harlots? Because she has little harlots running around and to her. You think your Orthodoxy belief is any different from the Vatican? Even the likes of Billy Graham and Robert Schuller acknowledges the Pope as the head and that they should return to Rome.

Don't be fool but your "umbilical chord" was never cut and as that famous carol goes, "I'll be home for christmas" - you'll realise how you all gather once a year to make merry (even though Scripture describes Christ as a man of sorrows), even with so-called "unbelievers".
---christan on 4/19/13


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One has lost all logical sense of the word "Bible" (aka the Word of God - which is in Scriptures) when one compares it to the word Eucharist. One title is the reference to the study of God, whereas the other is only peculiar to the Romish practice of pagan worship.

Guess what, that's precisely what the Word of God tells us that such practices will abound (false worship with false christ), which has its beginnings and roots in Babylon. The warnings in the Bible is eerily true and accurate with regards to such worships claiming to be of God.

But the promise from Christ is, "The Spirit will guide you into all truth..."
---christan on 4/19/13


\\You mean the Roman Catholic dogma of the Eucharist.\\

It's also the doctrine of the Orthodox Church, the Monophysite/Miaphysite Churches, and the Nestorian/Assyrrian Church of the East.

\\ I challenge you to even find the word Eucharist in the Holy Bible you so imagine that it's a Christian thing.\\

It's right after the verse telling you to spout your blasphemies on a computer.

And before the verses that give us the multiplication table.

And actually, you won't find the word "Bible" in the Bible, so YOU cannot use it.

Actually, the Greek form IS used in the NT, but since spiritual things are spiritually discerned, there's no point in telling you this.

Clory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/19/13


"The Christian doctrine of the Eucharist says that what we can perceive with our physical senses concerning the Body and Blood of Christ does NOT change." Cluny

You have just given us the perfect definition of the word, DELUSION.

How convenient! "The Christian doctrine of the Eucharist"? You mean the Roman Catholic dogma of the Eucharist. I challenge you to even find the word Eucharist in the Holy Bible you so imagine that it's a Christian thing. The Eucharist is peculiar only to the pagan worship that is known as Roman Catholicism.

Your Orthodoxy faith is just the little harlot of the Mother of Harlots. Nothing to do with Christianity at all.
---christan on 4/19/13


\\The last time I tasted the wafer and the wine during the RC holy communion or the forty three years I was an RC, it tasted like a wafer and wine.\\

You didn't actually think the taste would change, did you? Were you that foolish?

As the hymn says, "Taste and touch and vision to discern Thee fail,/Faith that comes by hearing pierces through the veil."

The Christian doctrine of the Eucharist says that what we can perceive with our physical senses concerning the Body and Blood of Christ does NOT change.

Glory to jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/19/13


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God's love "in our hearts" (Romans 5:5) is "transsubstantiating" us who are His children, so we are being changed into how Jesus is > "as He is, so are we in this world." (in 1 John 4:17)

"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)

Jesus growing in us (Galatians 4:19) changes us so we are beautiful to our Father, in His love's "gentle and quiet spirit".

But the spirit of wrong religion corrupts people from this. I did not get this miracle by worshiping a round white piece of bread. Jesus gives us "rest for your souls." (in Matthew 11:29)
---willie_c: on 4/19/13


The last time I tasted the wafer and the wine during the RC holy communion or the forty three years I was an RC, it tasted like a wafer and wine. Nothing happened and nothing is going to happen regardless of how you want to justify transubstantiation. So, there's no miracle happening at all.

I too was fooled into thinking the RCs were Christian but by the grace and mercy of God, the only thing they are "Christian" is pretending to be Christian, even then, all their rites and traditions are nothing but rooted in pagan worship. So good try Nikki.

Jesus said, "You'll know them by their fruits."
---christan on 4/19/13


I'll simply say this:

A close friend of mine came home after 4 months in the hospital batting various infections.

At one point, he was told he would be bedfast and never walk again.

He now uses his walking stick--if anything--to get around his apartment, and his walker (with which he was discharged) only when he goes out.

We've always believed in miracles and the power of prayer.

Now God has given practical lessons in this to him and his friends, and allowed us all to see them with our own eyes.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/19/13


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