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The problem is that many are led to believe that the souls is the spirit, but the soul is the product of the spirit and the body

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.


1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul, the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.

Revelation 16:3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea, and it became as the blood of a dead [man]: and every living soul died in the sea.
---francis on 5/9/13


francis, as usual you use the word soul from one context and give it on every place you see soul. Let me explain it again:
"The word soul, means "Nephesh." and Nephesh means many things. It can mean breath, life, a breathing creature ( man or animal ), respiration, life, soul, spirit mind."
What you do is what cults do, you take one meaning and give it to all the passages to confuse and distort the Word of God.
If you were born of the Spirit you would have knowledge of God's Word but you don't.
Remember, one of the promises of the Spirit is the knowledge of God and His Word. You are missing that one.
---Mark_V. on 5/9/13


ok - francis
---aka on 5/8/13


---aka on 5/7/13
I give SIX TEXT

THREE shows that souls can die the second death

Ezekiel 18:4 the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Matthew 10:28 fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.


THREE SHOWS SOULS CAN DIE THE FIRST DEATH

Rev 16:3 every living soul died in the sea.

Joshua 10:39 they smote them with the edge of the sword, and utterly destroyed all the souls that were therein,

Genesis 35:18 And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died)

No one has shown one single text that souls are immortal

Jesus is not only Lord, but the angel fo The Lord
---francis on 5/8/13


francis,

your misuse of rev 16:3 makes this soul surely die...
of laughter.

Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die...
Eze 18:21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

if, to you, jesus the christ is the same as michael the archangel, you have denied jesus the christ.
---aka on 5/7/13




//John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
--But some here do not believe.
---micha9344 on 5/7/13
//


Micha: Lazarus believed in Jesus - BUT HE DIED - and was subsequently resurrected. Similarly, we do not have immortality, and will die - until the resurrection at the glorious appearing of Jesus when we shall "put on immortality". After that, we will never die.

This is the ONLY interpretation that aligns with the rest of scripture.


---jerry6593 on 5/8/13


matthew 19:29 everlasting life. john 3:16 everlasting life. john 3:36 everlasting life. john 4:14 everlasting life. john 5:24 everlasting life.john 6:40 everlasting life. galatians 6:8 everlasting life.
---shira4368 on 5/8/13


Here are FIVE scriptures that says soul can die, thus soul is not immortal

Ezekiel 18:4 the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Rev 16:3 every living soul died in the sea.

Joshua 10:39 and they smote them with the edge of the sword, and utterly destroyed all the souls that were therein,

Genesis 35:18 And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died)

Now if anyone thinks that the soul is immortal all you have to do is do as I did.

POST THE SCRIPTURE
---francis on 5/7/13


John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
--But some here do not believe.
---micha9344 on 5/7/13


Mark_V. on 5/7/13

Just show the text with immortal soul.


It would be much simpler. Gave about 5 text that show that a soul can die. No one can give not even ONE text that shows a soul cannot die ( immortal)

Don't you think that if the bible spoke about immortal soul, there would be at least one text?
---francis on 5/7/13




francis, if you, Jerry and Samuel were born of the Spirit you would make every effort to learn the Truth of God. All of you are no different then any athiest. You do not want to find out the Truth, you want to reject the Truth because you are not doing the desires of God. As all cults do, they try to find reasons to reject the Truth. They attack the humanity of Christ, you attack the very word of God. All of you think you are very smart when you question the Truth, but in reality you are very foolish. It matters not what Truth is given to you, you will reject it. francis, you say, "make me understand" how can you ever understand spiritual things they are foolishness to you. Only God can make you understand.
---Mark_V. on 5/7/13


francis, Aka is correct. I told you that you were spiritually dead. That is why you do not understand the things of the Spirit. Dead people do not understand anything. You gave Eze. 18:20) contenting that the soul dies, but the word soul, is used in many ways in the Bible depending on the context. The soul means "Nephesh." and Nephesh means many things. It can mean breath, life, a breathing creature ( man or animal ), respiration, life, soul, spirit mind. What you do is what cults do, they take one meaning and give it to all the answers to confuse and distort the Word of God. If you were born of the Spirit you would have knowledge of God's Word but you don't.
---Mark_V. on 5/7/13


Shira: "immorality is speaking of our flesh. our souls are immortal."


Please give us the scriptural reference to substantiate this assertion!



---jerry6593 on 5/7/13


---aka on 5/6/13
Me deny Jesus Christ?
I would like an appology for that statement, or some proof that I have denied Jesus


---shira4368 on 5/6/13
Well all I am asking is ONE simple scripture that says " souls are immortal." I have These that say the souls can die and will die.

Ezekiel 18:4 the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Rev 16:3 every living soul died in the sea.

Joshua 10:39 and they smote them with the edge of the sword, and utterly destroyed all the souls that were therein,

Genesis 35:18 And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died)

Your definition of soul is what is wrong
---francis on 5/7/13


The Bible says only GOD has immortality. But many here are saying the Bible is wrong. They feel for they have no Bible verse to back up their feelings that they have immortal souls. A term from Paganism not from the Bible.

Now how can an immortal soul in your reaonsing which is not physical want water when it has no body or thrist to quench.

IN the reminder of the original questoin. Hell is thrown into the lake of fire. So they cannot be the same thing.

Read the Bible.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/7/13


francis, here's the verse in its entirety and in its context.
1Ti 6:13 I charge you in the presence of God, (who gives life to all things), and of Christ Jesus, (who in his testimony before Pontius Pilate made the good confession),
1Ti 6:14 to keep the commandment unstained and free from reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ,
1Ti 6:15 which he (God) will display at the proper time--he (Jesus Christ) who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords,
1Ti 6:16 who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen.

these verses are actually talking about God and Jesus the Christ that you deny.
---aka on 5/6/13


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francis, you again take things out of context. immorality is speaking of our flesh. our souls are immortal. I know I am so when my body dies, my soul will be with Christ. your soul will be alive in heaven or hell.
---shira4368 on 5/6/13


---aka on 5/6/13
Does it matter if the bible sets condition under which the soul should die?

If there are any conditions under which the soul can die, then the soul cannot be immortal

So let me show you what the bible says about immortality:

1 Timothy 6:15 the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords, Who only hath immortality, ..

Only the Father has immortality
---francis on 5/6/13


Francis, you already listed those verses that include the if, I listed the verse that included the but.

Play with the word soul all you want. God knew Jeremiah before he was born.

Therefore, to you the Bible is a pagan myth from which you use some of the verses to let a man made organization deceive you..
---aka on 5/6/13


Revelation 16:3 and every living soul died in the sea

If the soul was immortal, it would not die
---francis on 5/6/13


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I love Ezekial...all of it...
---aka on 5/5/13
You forget to post the rest of the verses:

Ezekiel 18:4 the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die

So as you can see, the soul is not immprtal is shall die

Eccl 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

I see no mention of the soul here being immortal. What I see, is that the SPIRIT which God gave to the person returns to him

the breath/ spirit is not the soul

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.
---francis on 5/6/13


...is a pagan myth passed to deceived people
---francis on 5/5/13

short, ironic statement made by deceived people in ravenous cults.
---aka on 5/5/13


There is not one single scripture for immortal soul - francis

Ecc_12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

I love Ezekial...all of it...

Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine, the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die....

Eze 18:21 "But if a wicked person turns away from all his sins that he has committed and keeps all my statutes and does what is just and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
---aka on 5/5/13


---1st_cliff on 5/5/13

That does not exist
There is not one single scripture for immortal soul

Ezekiel 18:4 the soul that sinneth, it shall die

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Genesis 35:18 And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died)

Revelation 16:3 and every living soul died in the sea.


Immortal soul is a pagan myth passed to deceived people
---francis on 5/5/13


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I would also like to find a scripture that says the soul is immortal, deathless or never dieing!
---1st_cliff on 5/5/13


As if the soul needed sleep.
---Mark_V. on 5/5/13
Sleep is how the bible describes someone who is dead. If you bothered at all to read it you would know

1 Kings 2:10 David slept with his fathers,
1 Kings 11:43 Solomon slept with his fathers,
1 Thessalonians 4:13 concerning them which are asleep
John 11:11 Lazarus sleepeth, but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.

---1st_cliff on 5/4/13
So we can agree that there are no texts which speak of spiritual death.

I honestly thought that there was one

We must also keep in mind, that it is not only those who are "spiritually dead "which bury their dead, the righteous also bury their dead,
---francis on 5/5/13


francis, I mentioned this to you before that you had no clue what spiritual life meant. Now you are asking the question. The very reason you have no clue what the Spirit of the Law is. Or what it is to be born of the Spirit or why the lost have to be born of the Spirit in order to enter the Kingdom of God. Hope one day you find the answer. One reason you might not know is because you believe in soul sleep. As if the soul needed sleep.
---Mark_V. on 5/5/13


Francis, Sure= Let the dead bury the dead" is obviously metaphoric since dead people can do nothing, Obviously "spiritualy dead"
---1st_cliff on 5/4/13


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can someone please help me with this:
I am search the bible for a passage that speaks of " spiritual death" I am not able to find it

can you post one or two for me please?
---francis on 5/4/13


Samuel, all three deaths, spiritual, physical, eternal mean separation. All three deaths mean "separation" even the second death in (Rev. 20:14). Death and Hades are two terms discribing the state of death. All unrighteous physically dead will appear at the Great White Throne of God with a body prepared for hell at the sentencing, because they have already been condemned. And all the places that have held the bodies of the unrighteous dead will yield up new bodies suited for hell. That is the Second death. And all will be judge righteous, none will suffer more then they deserve. And this punishment is eternal.
---Mark_V. on 5/4/13


Job 19:26 And [though] after my skin [worms] destroy this [body], yet in my flesh shall I see God:
Mat 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Mat 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
-The word for the day is dichotomy. Believe it or not.
---micha9344 on 5/3/13


Micha, When you speak metaphorically and pretend it's literal it's just psychobabble!
---1st_cliff on 5/2/13


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Gal 2:19-20 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live, yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
--I am dead and yet I live.
---micha9344 on 5/2/13


Spiritual discernment shows that the second death is punishment for sin. Eternal torture has turned many away from following GOD. It portrays a GOD who punishes all the same.

Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not [himself], neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many [stripes].


Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few [stripes]. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

How can hell continue to burn when it is destroyed?
---Samuelbb7 on 5/2/13


aka, **Jesus compared spiritual birth to actual birth** Metaphorically Yes!
---1st_cliff on 5/1/13


1Cliff, you say,
"If your child disobeyed you and you poured boiling water on him, would that be punishment or torture?"
The children of the devil are not God's children. Your using man's wisdom to answer me. You don't believe the Word of God on anything. How can you understand spiritual matters?
"These things we also speak, not words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. "But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God" for they are foolishness to him, nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" That is what you use, man's wisdom.
It's impossible for you to understand.
---Mark_V. on 5/1/13


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The punishment for sin is death. Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death, but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Job 19:26 And [though] after my skin [worms] destroy this [body], yet in my flesh shall I see God:
Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
1Cr 6:13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body [is] not for fornication, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.

being deadn and destroyed is not being alive in torment. to be in torment you have to be being tortured as the punishment.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/1/13


//Like so many on here you're comparing apples to oranges.
Spiritual death (figurative) and actual death!// cliff_1

Jesus compared spiritual birth to actual birth.
---aka on 5/1/13


Micha, Like so many on here you're comparing apples to oranges.
Spiritual death (figurative) and actual death!
Are those in your local cemetary figuratively dead or actually?
**I am dead yet I live** Mabe you were in the movie "walking dead"?
---1st_cliff on 4/30/13


/... Death, the absence of life, terminating one's existance is punishment enough .../-1st_cliff on 4/29/13
Mat 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me, and let the dead bury their dead.
Rom 6:7-8 For he that is dead is freed from sin. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
--I am dead and yet I live.
Followers of doctrines similar to that of JW's wrestle with this.
---micha9344 on 4/30/13


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Mark V, If your child diobeyed you and you poured boiling water on him, would that be punishment or torture? Are you more merciful than God?
The punishment has to fit the crime!
---1st_cliff on 4/30/13


Shira, I have to disagree with you when you said,

"God does not torture or send anyone to hell."

People do not sent themselves to hell. When they are born they are sinners, condemned already due to the curse on Adam.
"He who believes in Him is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God" (John 3:18).
At the Great white Throne of Judgment, those condemned will be sentenced by God, and will be sent to the Lake of Fire.
About torture, punishment is the correct word.
---Mark_V. on 4/30/13


God does not torture or send anyone to hell. we send ourselves. God gives us chance after chance and we turn our backs on Him. some don't believe there is a God and some know there is a God and worship Him.
---shira4368 on 4/29/13


1Cliff, you can come out with a better excuse as the one you mentioned,

"Death, the absence of life, terminating one's existance is punishment enough"

First, why would God wake you up from your grave to kill you again? Second, If He is dead, he feels no punishment. Some even suggest separation from God, that would be great for them because in life they were separated from God anyway what punishment is that?
You call God a sadist for punishing those who have trashed Him all through their lives. You just do not believe the word of God and what He told the Israelites, and what He tells all human beings. Those in hell will wish they had paid better attention to the Word of God. But it will be too late.
---Mark_V. on 4/30/13


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Mark V, I certainly do believe in the wrath of God
but I don't see Him as a sadistic torturer!
Death, the absence of life, terminating one's existance is punishment enough. Contrast this with the gift of living forever,and you will understand God's mecy and justice!
Torturing one forever in a fire for a "mistake" they made is not justice!
---1st_cliff on 4/29/13


1Cliff, if you do not believe in the wrath of God, or the Lake of fire, why do you belief in Jesus? Salvation from what?
You are correct on the words used in Scripture concerning hell. I suspect the words are symbols used by many writers through time. But if the images are indeed symbols, then we must conclude that the reality is worse than the symbol suggest. The function of a symbol is to point beyond themselves to a higher or more intense state of actuallity than the symbol itself can contain. Hell is not separation from God, God will be present in the fullness of His divine wrath. He will be there to execute His just punishment of the damned. They will know Him as an all consuming fire.
---Mark_V. on 4/29/13


aka, I commend you on your vocabulary,getting by with what we know is standard for us who do not take the time to increase our use of English!
Vocabularies are getting "shorter" with the ammount of "texting" in use today especially with the young!
---1st_cliff on 4/28/13


cliff, i can't explain all the "how comes". it's really only interesting to me.

but, i can only say that i have a vocabulary that consists of words that are not used very much.

it is just common terminology to me just like mass and communion are to a catholic and Kingdom Hall and Memorial are to a JW and sermon and communion are to baptists.
---aka on 4/28/13


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aka, Of course I looked it up,but nobody else I asked ever heard the word. I can roller skate and ice skate and I'm no cheapskate. But hey I learn something new every day!
---1st_cliff on 4/24/13


wow, Cliff. "Obfuscate" is an English word! Or, I'm sorry, is English a Second Language for you? There are English Dictionaries available if you need one.
---Gordon on 4/24/13


Cliff, is this a sincere inquiry or do you already have an opinion?
---aka on 4/24/13


aka, How come you use those big $.50 cent words? (Obfuscate?)
---1st_cliff on 4/23/13


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So to escape the prescence of GOD you have to cease to exist.
---Sameulbb7 on 4/23/13

but you do not have to cease to exist for God to break communion with you.

getting the cold shoulder from God forever without hope of fellowship will burn.
---aka on 4/23/13


Yes the Hell described by most people is the lake of fire. But the hell of the Bible is not the same thing.

Now we need to remeber that GOD is everwhere. Psa 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou [art] there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou [art there].

So there is no place that GOD does not exist. So to escape the prescence of GOD you have to cease to exist.
---Sameulbb7 on 4/23/13


Deu 4:24 For the LORD thy God [is] a consuming fire, [even] a jealous God.
Heb 12:29 For our God [is] a consuming fire.
Isa 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched, and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
Eze 20:48 And all flesh shall see that I the LORD have kindled it: it shall not be quenched.
God may be "metaphorical" as well, eh Cliff?
---micha9344 on 4/23/13


Cliff, you obfuscate. And I said jws and others.
---aka on 4/23/13


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the king james bible says revelation 20:14...and death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. this is the second death. willie, both our bibles don't agree.
---shira4368 on 4/23/13


It does say "Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them", in Revelation 20:13. "Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire." (in Revelation 20:14) So, Hades is not the "lake of fire".

But does this automatically mean there is no fire in Hades? Jesus says, that "in Hades" that man said he was "tormented in this flame", in Luke 16:23-24. "But he was not so tormented, that he couldn't talk."

Also, "Whoever worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand" "shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb." (in Revelation 14:9-10)
---willie_c: on 4/23/13


aka, So OK you're saying it was lawful to burn children if they weren't your own??
The fact that it was a fire that could not be "put out" indicates it was metaphorical.
Please don't refer to me as a JW , I am not one and have not associated in 30 years.
Does the fact that you believe Catholic doctrine make you Catholic?

IE. Literal hell fire, immortality of the soul and trinity!
---1st_cliff on 4/23/13


cliff...

Jer 7:20 Therefore so says the Jehovah, Behold, My anger and My fury shall be poured out on this place, on man, and on animal, and on the trees of the field, and on the fruit of the ground, and it shall burn, and shall not be put out.


you can't use one phrase of one verse as truth and disregard the rest of scripture as false. it is not rocket science, it is logic.

the ones who disobey are not his children.

and fire will be much more comfortable than Jehovah's metaphorical unquenchable fire.
---aka on 4/22/13


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aka, ** God did not command nor was it in His heart for adults to burn their own children** Yet He would burn His own??? (We're not talking Sodom and Gommorah here) That was capital punishment. We're talking torture-fire! Sadism!(sacrifice)
---1st_cliff on 4/22/13


Yes, context. The jws and others like to use Jeremiah 7 for their own purpose.

God did not command it nor was it in his heart for adults to burn their own children. Read the whole verse. But he did say that those that do this will burn in a place that cannot be extinguished.

Yes, I believe it is figurative.. The absence from God will burn worse than fire.

Pick your own place with the true Living God.
---aka on 4/22/13


aka, When Germans "hoelle" their potatoes they're not talking about barbecuing they mean "planting" them.
Like i say ,It's not rocket science!
---1st_cliff on 4/22/13


Cluny, You say that Hell/Lake of Fire is not an issue that you lose any sleep over....but you took the time to post a response here anyway, right? Thanks for stopping by!
---Gordon on 4/22/13


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yes
context
---francis on 4/22/13


aka, Thesubject is not rocket science! You just proved a point Jer.7 31 that burning people in Gehenna (literally) "neither came it into my heart"!
and Jer.4.4"foreskins of your heart"(figurative, right?) "lest my FURY come forth LIKE fire"
Language and word origins are easily found on Google!
Ask a local Rabbi if they believe in a literal hell-fire! They don't!
---1st_cliff on 4/22/13


1st_cliff

Quote your source.

you consistently make emphatic statements, but do not back up any of your knowledgeable claims with any back-up.
---aka on 4/21/13


Jer_4:4 Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.
Jer_7:20 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, mine anger and my fury shall be poured out upon this place, upon man, and upon beast, and upon the trees of the field, and upon the fruit of the ground, and it shall burn, and shall not be quenched.
Jer 7:31 And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom [Gehenna], to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, which I commanded them not, neither came it into my heart.
---aka on 4/21/13


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aka, All those words- die hile,inferno,infierno,inferno were are translations of "Gehenna" the figurative hell cited by Jesus and portrayed in Dante's Inferno that eventually included all the "hells" (Sheol Hades Tartarus and Gehenna) Pagan influence corrupted a word for a common grave and turned it into a bizarre place!
---1st_cliff on 4/21/13


aka, Hoelle is indeed the modern German from Friesen helle and subsequently old English 725 CE. Simply meant "to bury" but the pagan concept of hell was transferred to Christian theology!
Interestingly Judaism (predating Christianity) does not include a fiery hell!(Sheol) Hades is Greek equivalent of Sheol!
---1st_cliff on 4/21/13


The root word ,from which "hell' was taken is the German word hoelle that has absolutely nothing to do with fire!---1st_cliff on 4/20/13

Definition of German Word Holle

German Word: die Hlle
English Meaning: hell, inferno
Spanish Meaning: el infierno
Italian Meaning: inferno
-german-flashcards website

Lugner, Lugner. Hosen auf Hollenfeuer.

Liar, liar pants on hellfire.

(umlauts omitted on italicized letters)
---aka on 4/20/13


"Are "Hell" & the "Lake of Fire" the same places?" No.
Hell is cast into a place called the lake of fire. Rev.20:15
---josef on 4/19/13


"Hell" is cast into a sun-like place called "the lake of fire" (Rev. 20:14-15): Those in "hell" are judged & cast (while in the "hearth") into "the lake of fire". "Hell" & its convicts ("living dead" human souls) are cast somewhere within "the lake of fire". Isaiah 66 explains the "gravity" of the "matter".

Note: Our Earth & Sun are within "the Milky Way" (the galaxy), but they aren't the Milky Way.
---Leon on 4/20/13


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The root word ,from which "hell' was taken is the German word hoelle that has absolutely nothing to do with fire!
It's just like vacuum cleaners in England, they're all "Hoovers" regardless of make! All vacuum bottles are called "Thermos"
All refrigerators used to be called "Frigidaires"
Language evolves!
---1st_cliff on 4/20/13


"Are "Hell" and the "Lake of Fire" the same places?" No.
Hell is cast into the lake of fire. Rev.20:15
---josef on 4/19/13


In languages I have studied, the same word or term can have more than one meaning. In the Bible, even, the same word can be used with exact opposite meanings, for example how Jesus says you can't follow Him if you don't "hate" mother and father, etc. But also if I "hate" someone in my heart, I have committed murder already.

Like this, I understand the word "hell" can have different meanings. But ones can take one word, dictate it can mean only one thing, and then they come up with "contradictions".
---willie_c: on 4/19/13


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