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What does the Book of Acts tell us about what was practiced in the Early church?

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Gordon, you think your remarks like,

"Mark V, That doctrine you believe where "GOD created certain people only for the sake of damning their souls throughout all Eternity"?

will make you sound holy? You say that God make people for the sake of damning their souls, to sound like you are very righteous or something. Did you ever stop to think of the thousands upon thousands of people the Lord slaughterd all through history only to protect Israel? Hello, where have you been? The thousand of babies killed by the angel of the Lord? How about the millions of people God never provided the gospel for? They all died in their sins. Read the Bible. Your are stuck with the god you created in your mind.
---Mark_V. on 5/4/13


Nikki, don't you realize Peter is dead already? Has been for many centuries. He is not binding anything. The authority given to Peter and the disciple by the Lord was only temporary until Peter and the disciples died.---Mark_V. on 5/3/13

According to your logic, Jesus forgot Moses was dead.

Matthew 23:2-3
saying "The scribes and the Pharisees have taken their seat on the chair of Moses. Therefore, do and observe all things WHATSOEVER THEY TELL YOU, but do not follow their example. For they preach but they do not practice.""

The same thing Jesus told Peter. Whatever you bind on earth is bound in heaven.

Jesus knows Peter is going to die as Moses died.
That why it is called the Chair of Peter now.
---Nikki on 5/3/13


Mark V, That doctrine you believe where "GOD created certain people only for the sake of damning their souls throughout all Eternity"? That which you are believing is a FALSE DOCTRINE. So, what you think of me means absolutely nothing. Because I can clearly see that you can't discern certain things whether they be true or false. You're the one who's needing help. So, before you tell me what's true or not, start dealing with your own false doctrines first. Otherwise, you are just being a hypocrite.
---Gordon on 5/3/13


Nikki, you, francis and Gordon are so far from the truth it is not funny anymore. I'm surprise you guys are not throwing each other more accusations. Nikki, don't you realize Peter is dead already? Has been for many centuries. He is not binding anything. The authority given to Peter and the disciple by the Lord was only temporary until Peter and the disciples died. Jesus Church was created by Jesus. He is the Head of the Church. His Church. francis argues for the law against the spirit of the law, Gordon strips the Lord of His sovereignty, and you with all your rituals and traditions by sinful man.
And all three of you support the free will of man against the freedom of God. Funny seeing all three of you argue back and forth.
---Mark_V. on 5/3/13


Gordon my brother, stop spinning Jesus, WORDS.
He said Whatever, not the Law, My words and teachings I gave you or taught you.
JESUS is speaking in presence for the future, not the past.
Nice try.
---nikki on 5/2/13




Nikki, The "Keys of the Kingdom" which Yahushua gave to Peter are Keys to "Bind on Earth GOD's Truths that are already bound in Heaven." There is no such thing as GOD giving Peter, or some Pope, any kind of "power" to make up some new rules or regulations for the Church that are then, afterwards, "bound in Heaven" as a result. That's getting it all backwards, sister! GOD's unchanging Truths are now bound in Heaven, as they've always been, and Peter and co. are to take their Keys and "unlock those Truths" and release them here onto Earth, so that, GOD's Will may be done here on Earth, just as it is in Heaven! See LUKE 11:2. It's GOD's Will be done, not some Pope's!
---Gordon on 5/2/13


Peter as pope, ( bishop of Rome) and the attempted change from Sabbath to sunday are not directly related


Clearly Peter was the Bishop of Rome
1 Peter 5:13 The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you, and so doth Marcus my son.

Clearly Peter is the leader of the apostles, even above Paul because Paul consults with Peter, Peter doe snot consult with Paul

Peter is told feed my sheep, Peter's name always comes first amongthe discuple

Peter did not take the name Pope for himself,


It was later bishops of Rome who attempted withno success to change sabbath to sunday
---Francis on 5/2/13


Gordon, even Francis explained to you about Peter and the keys.

You are mad at Jesus not at me. You are mad at the BIBLE not at me. You might be even jealous of Peter and the keys with it's authority.
GO TO GOD AND PRAY FOR STRENGTH.
Stop being prideful.
God's Will isn't your will.
You can't pick and choose the parts of the Bible that pleases you.

YOU ARE NOT GOD. Stop rebelling like satan. Look where it got him. He is in HELL, because he thought he was god.
---Nikki on 5/2/13


Gordon, I don't understand you because you do not understand the God we have. Lets say He created the souls before creation, don't you think He knew what each one would choose? He is not dumb Gordon. He knows all things. And He did not choose certain ones because He knew what they would choose, He chose them because He is God. The election of souls to eternal life should not shock you if you are one of the saved, for that would make you one of the elect. Yet you fight against God freedom to have mercy on whom He will have mercy and have compassion on whom He has compassion, For who are you to argue against God? That is what you are doing. you really don't like the idea He chose you. You want to have that freedom from God.
---Mark_V. on 5/2/13


Mark V, GOD is, indeed, Omniscient. But, that doesn't HE couldn't have created all souls in Heaven before sending each of them down to Earth at HIS designated time. So, you "hear" me saying whatever it is that you're "hearing" because you filter everything you hear through that grid of your belief that GOD created only some people for Salvation and the rest HE only created just to be eternally damned. So, of course, because of that, you cannot truly understand what I said. Nonetheless, it was worth a try, anyway.
---Gordon on 5/1/13




Nikki, Show me, in the Holy Scriptures, where it says that Sunday, the "1st day of the week", is "bound in Heaven" as "the LORD's Day of the week"! You show me where it is in Scripture! If you can't, or refuse to show me the Scripture that unquestionably and emphatically states that the 1st-day, Sunday, is GOD's chosen Day of the week.....if you do not show me, you will prove that you are believing a lie. You will be proving what a lie it is and that you are willingly covering up for this abomination of a lie. Just to protect your "beloved" Roman Mother church!
---Gordon on 5/1/13


In other words, if you pray to God in Heaven about the Sabbath being changed to Sundays, God will answer you in this manner: OBEY
---Nikki on 5/1/13
No ne won't he will asnwer:

Daniel 7:23 The fourth beast shall ...think to change times and laws:

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
---francis on 5/1/13


Peter as Pope
HHMMM why not?---francis on 4/30/13

Gordon, you complained about a lot of things you disagree with RCC esp about moving the Sabbath to Sunday.

The problem you have is that either you believe in the Bible or you don't. You believe in Jesus and follow Him NO MATTER where He leads you.

Matthew 16:19 Jesus uses the word 'Whatever' Peter binds on earth it will be bound in Heaven.
Since you live on earth, you are binding to Sunday Sabbath because Heaven is bound to it as well.

In other words, if you pray to God in Heaven about the Sabbath being changed to Sundays, God will answer you in this manner: OBEY
---Nikki on 5/1/13


Gordon, your answer is rediculous? you say,

"While in Heaven, after Lucifer the Devil rebelled against GOD in Heaven, GOD gave each of us souls a choice to follow HIM,"
Where in Scripture do you find that?
You are speaking of a god who doesn't know what is going to happen. You have a god you created in your mind, not the one who is Omniscient, knowing all, Omnipresent, in all place at one time, Omnipotent, who has all power.
I hear you saying, "that God did not know who His children were going to be, so He waited through time, for them to choose Him, then He found out who they were." all because you belief in free will, you are willing to strip God of His omniscience.
You got the wrong God.
---Mark_V. on 5/1/13


---Gordon on 4/30/13

Peter as Pope
HHMMM why not?
---francis on 4/30/13


Mark V, GOD foreknew us, alright. Our souls were created before we were sent down to the Earth. GOD knew us because our souls were already created and existed before HE laid the foundation of the World. (While the flesh is formed in the mother's womb, GOD places the already-created soul inside the mother's womb, right at the moment of conception.) While in Heaven, after Lucifer the Devil rebelled against GOD in Heaven, GOD gave each of us souls a choice to follow HIM, or to follow after Lucifer by choosing the pride of going of our own ways like Lucifer did. GOD gave each one of us that Choice while in Heaven. We, for the most part, are playing out our decision for-or-against-GOD, here, now, on Earth, as we decided in Heaven.
---Gordon on 4/30/13


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Francis and Nikki, the fact that the Apostle Peter was prominently mentioned in the Scriptures does not make him into a Pope. Not the kind of "Pope" that has been leading the Roman Church. Not the kind that "changes times and seasons and laws". And, GOD's Laws, and HIS Eternal Sabbath Law, the 7th-Day Sabbath, was not to be altered by any religious man. If anything, the Pope should be reinforcing the 7th-Day Sabbath, not abolishing it to replace it with another "week-day of the LORD", such as Sunday. The Lord did not arise from the Tomb on Sunday, anyways. The Scriptures do not validate that. To follow the Papal Sunday is to follow a religious man rather than GOD Himself!
---Gordon on 4/30/13


I don't think that it is coincident that Peter's name in first among the disciples
---francis on 4/29/13

Also it is strange and odd how in Acts, Peter is heals sick people the same manner as Jesus. Peter rise a dead person as Jesus did. Many more.
---Nikki on 4/30/13


Gordon, you said to Nikki,

"if you believe like Mark V and Christan, then, according to how they believe, you wouldn't have a choice in the matter anyway!"

You are confused, you and Nikki belief in the free will of man for salvation, man's righteous deed. So before you knock her down, pay attention. Since God is omniscient, so knows all His children before the foundation of the world,
"For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called, whom He called, these He also justified, and whom He justified, these He also glorified." (Rom. 8:29,30).
---Mark_V. on 4/30/13


It's simple to divide the scripture speaking of the church which is one body, from the nation which has twelve tribes. The Church the BoC doesn't have twelve tribes.

Where the twelve tribes are found it's speaking about God working through Israel.

This means the one body church isn't found in Genesis through Malachi, Jesus earthly ministry to Israel, at Pentecost in Acts 2, nor in the Hebrew epistles written to the twelve tribes by the apostles.

When God is working through Israel on earth he is not working through the church which his is body.

Israel is the subject of prophecy, and the one body church is the subject of the mystery not revealed to the twelve tribes of Israel.
---michael_e on 4/29/13


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--Nikki on 4/26/13
Although we disagree on just what Jesus meant when he said " upon this rock" we can both agree that Peter is undoubtedly the appointed leader of the church even above Paul.
Matthew 10:2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these, The first, Simon
Mark 3:14 And he ordained twelve,... Simon he surnamed Peter,
Luke 6:13 he called his disciples:.. Simon Peter
John 21:16 Simon...Feed my sheep.

I don't think that it is coincident that Peter's name in first among the disciples
---francis on 4/29/13


Nikki, No. Not tryin' to get you to follow ME. lol. Ay, ay, ay, ay, ay! Tryin' to point you to the Truth! I'm just pointing out the lies and the erroneous doctrines and teachings of your Roman church. You can stay put if you want. If you want to keep believing lies, GOD Himself will not force you to "convert". And, of course, if you believe like Mark V and Christan, then, according to how they believe, you wouldn't have a choice in the matter anyway! So, whatevah.....!
---Gordon on 4/29/13


Nikki, I'm afraid that your religion has blinded you from seeing the irony of how the "bones of the Apostle Peter" underneath the Papal chair in the Vatican bring to life MATTHEW 23:27...---Gordon on 4/27/13

You are acting like a wolf in sheep's clothing trying to convince me to leave the RCC to follow you instead of Jesus and His Bride, as if you are a Christian trying to bring me to Jesus.

Your way isolates one from Jesus as the wolf does when he wants a sheep to leave the fold and from it's Shephard.

Not only did Jesus keep his promise to Peter in Matthew 16:17-20, but who would think Jesus also meant literal.
Peter's bones are underneath the Chair of Peter.

God has a sense of humor as I said before.
---Nikki on 4/28/13


Nikki, lol. Oh my....What in the world does your analogy about the sheep and the wolf have to do with "Peter's bones under the Papal throne" and MATTHEW 23:27? You threw a curve ball to form a rabbit trail, to where? Who are you referring to being the wolf?
---Gordon on 4/28/13


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Gordan, do you know how sheep behaves? How a wolf behaves?

What is the wolf always trying to do to the sheep? The wolf wants to get the sheep away from the Shepherd, to be alone and helpless.

Another reason why Jesus tells us to beware of the wolf in sheep's clothing is because they are pretending to be part of the flock. But, they only what to separate the sheep from the flock to kill the sheep.

You can be the crazy sheep leaving the flock to follow some crazy wolf if you wish, but NOT ME.

Jesus is the good Shepherd
John 10:1-19
---Nikki on 4/27/13


But, Jesus Himself states Peter is the foundation of HIS CHURCH.
His Words, not mine.
---Nikki on 4/26/13
Not peter. but the word,s uttered by Peter


Matthew 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Matthew 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock {Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.} I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
---francis on 4/27/13


Nikki, I'm afraid that your religion has blinded you from seeing the irony of how the "bones of the Apostle Peter" underneath the Papal chair in the Vatican bring to life MATTHEW 23:27. This Verse describes something that appears "beautiful and holy" on the outside, but on the inside, (or, in this case, underneath) are rotted bones with the stench of death. To say and believe that the whole Church was built on a fallible man born in sin, instead of on THE Man, the sinless Holy One of GOD, is a slap in the Face of the GOD the Roman church claims to serve.
---Gordon on 4/27/13


In the early church it was pretty simple: singing, praying and preaching. Not all this garbage that's in the "churches" of today.
---trey on 4/26/13


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Bro. Elee, what (Acts 8: 13) teaches me, is that the apostles do not forgive the sins of the people, God does. Remember Simon the sorcerer, he believed the good news, even got baptized. When he saw the laying of hands and the spiritual gifts and prophecy was given, he offered to pay money to have that power. Peter told him "Repent of this wickedness and pray to the Lord, Perhaps He will forgive you for such thought in your heart. Peter never told Simon to confess his sins to him or John or to a priest, instead Peter told Simon to repent and seek forgiveness from God. If they had the power RCC claims why sent them to God?
Answer, they had not power to forgive sins.
---Mark_V. on 4/27/13


Nikki, Yes, a sense of humour indeed, "Woe unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which, indeed, appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones and of all uncleanness." MATTHEW 23:27---Gordon on 4/26/13

Nope, Jesus wasn't smiling or joking when He spoke those words.

Thank God I am not a Scribe, a Pharisees or even a Jew.
I have the FUNNY feeling you were directly Jesus' Woe to me.

You still didn't address God's sense of humor of having Peter's bones underneath the Vatican and Peter's Chair?
---Nikki on 4/26/13


Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone],...--francis

Read the word in front of 'stone' CORNER is used.

That is the only type of stone said about Jesus in the NT.

You can't build on top of a corner stone without bases.

Corner means it is between 2 objects. The Center. It must be strong to hold the structure.

You are correct. Prophets and Apostles.
Jesus is the Center of their teaching and life.

But, Jesus Himself states Peter is the foundation of HIS CHURCH.
His Words, not mine.
---Nikki on 4/26/13


Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone],

It is the taaching about Jesus Christ, which the church is built opn, the teaching of both the prophets and apostles about what Jesus did, is doing, and will do for our salvation . This includes the statement form peter that Jesus is the messiah
---francis on 4/26/13


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One of the things practiced in the Book of Acts church was being persecuted--by Jews, but that would not be a politically correct idea today.

In any case, nobody wants to get so primitive as to be persecuted.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/26/13


Samuelbb7, Maybe their consciences are bothered by the 4th Commandment. And, in a way they're not directly aware of. peradventure?
---Gordon on 4/26/13


Nikki, Yes, a sense of humour indeed, "Woe unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which, indeed, appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones and of all uncleanness." MATTHEW 23:27.
---Gordon on 4/26/13


The whole Church cannot be built on a fallible human being (Apostle Peter), no matter how much of the Holy Spirit indwells him. The only Man strong enough to support the weight of the entire Church,---Gordon on 4/25/13

You have to admit: God has a SENSE OF HUMOR.

Peter's human bones have been found in 1930's directly underneath the chair of Peter in the Vatican.

Matthew 16:17-18
"Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father.
V18 AND SO I SAY TO YOU, YOU ARE PETER, AND UPON THIS ROCK I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH,...

Yup, He has a good sense of humor.
---Nikki on 4/26/13


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Many say keeping Sabbath is a sin. Where does the Bible say that keeping Sabbath is a sin? the Bible never says to keep Sunday.

While circuscion caused a big argument apparently the day of worship did not cause any problem. The closest we come to this discussion is saying do not judge others on their Sabbath keeping.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:

The weird thing is that those who do not keep Sabbath seem to do the most judging.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/25/13


Nikki, You rebuked me on another Blog for speaking "fluff" and not Scripture, (when I gave you EXODUS 20.) I now give you direct Scripture, in my comment below, that helps support that YAHUSHUA (JESUS) is "the Rock" (Petra). The whole Church cannot be built on a fallible human being (Apostle Peter), no matter how much of the Holy Spirit indwells him. The only Man strong enough to support the weight of the entire Church, is the Man YAHUSHUA. The RCC kisses the hand and elevates on a throne, a fallen man, and makes him their "rock foundation". The Divine Man was betrayed with a kiss, and humbled Himself unto Death, and was found Worthy to be the Petra-Rock Foundation and Chief Cornerstone of the Church.
---Gordon on 4/25/13


What does the Book of Acts tell us about what was practiced in the Early church?
---e.lee7537 on 4/21/13
No matter how you look at it. There is nothing in the books of acts about sunday as a day to replace the sabbath, not by command, not by example, and not by Criteria.

the only two mentions of first day in acts are:
1: A saturday night farwell meeting, one time only
2: A request from Paul to put some funds aside at home on the first day to be sent to teh saints

But look how much activity in acts happens on the sabbath withboth jews and gentiles.

The evidence is overwhelming that all God fearing people, jew and gentile, christain and jew kept the same sabbath
---francis on 4/24/13


---e.lee7537 on 4/23/13
unlike you I have a MORAL OBLIGATION to honour God because he is my creator, that is where the sabbath comes in.

You are contrary to scripture. you are trying to place a wall of partition between Jewish believrs and gentiles believsr, by claiming that one group kept sabbath while one group did not

Again you fall short

Romans 10:12 For there is no difference:
Acts 15:9 no difference between us and them,
Romans 3:22 for there is no difference:
Ephesians 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us,

Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
---francis on 4/24/13


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if the Church were required to observe the Jewish Sabbath, certainly Acts 15 could have at least implied it.
---e.lee7537 on 4/23/13
Acts 15 deals with one single issue "That it was needful to circumcise them,"

It does not deal with honour father and mother, does not deal with taking Gods name in vain.

It also implies that all christians are to keep the sabbath

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

If they were not to keep the sabbath ( 30-40 years after the death of Jesus) then this verse woudl read much differently

The apostles would steer converts away from the sabbath, and toward the first day
---francis on 4/24/13


Nikki, The very Apostle Peter himself wrote, in I PETER 2:8, concerning CHRIST JESUS (YAHUSHUA), "And a Stone of stumbling and a Rock ("Petra") of offence, even to them which stumble at the Word, being disobedient...".
And, I CORINTHIANS 10:4 says, regarding the Hebrews that were freed from bondage in Egypt by GOD Himself, "And (they) did all drink the same Spiritual Drink: for they drank of that Spiritual Rock ("Petras") that followed them: and that Rock ("Petra") was CHRIST."
It is YAHUSHUA (JESUS) Who is the Rock.
---Gordon on 4/24/13


//The majority of people today favour same partner marriage.What happens when the court of law decides on favour of same partner marriage, will you claim that to be Gods truth also?
/---/
Moral law will never change, but the Sabbath has nothing to do with moral law.

The standard is/should be God's law, and we should be able to establish as fact the Sabbath was mandated to the church. But we can find nothing in all of the Bible that commands the Sabbath or anything distinctive Jewish to His church.

Again, if the Church were required to observe the Jewish Sabbath, certainly Acts 15 could have at least implied it.

And we can see that was the interpretation from all the leaders of the early first or 2sd century.
---e.lee7537 on 4/23/13


Francis - regardless of which way the wind blows, the truth is that you as an Adventist are faced with an insurmountable amount of evidence from history that the Gentile church observed communal worship on the Lord's day - the day of Resurrection.

From Acts is there anything that implies the Sabbath was mandated to Gentile believers? All you have done is to point out that the Gospel was first preached to the Jews (Acts 13:46) in the Jewish synagogues on the Sabbath when they gathered for worship.

And did the Jews in the synagogues always accept the gospel message? (Acts 18:6 From now on I will go to the Gentiles.) From Acts 20:7, Christians met on the first day of the week (Gentile time).
---e.lee7537 on 4/23/13


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If such evidence were in a court of law, the verdict would be that Sunday was the day of communal worship not the old Jewish Sabbath.
---e.lee7537 on 4/23/13

The majority of people today favour same partner marriage.What happens when the court of law decides on favour of same partner marriage, will you claim that to be Gods truth also?

Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men,

The commandments of God cannot be rewritten by man, that is what they wee written in STONE

Do you know what it means to have something " written in stone?"
---francis on 4/23/13


Was Luke a Jew or a Gentile?

While this issue is speculative it is very probable since he was the traveling companion of Paul whose ministry was to Gentiles (Romans 15:16), it is highly likely that he was a Gentile.

In any case, there is both the traditional interpretion of the early church as well as an insurmountable evidence from history that the Gentile church observed communal worship on the Lord's day - the day of Resurrection.

If such evidence were in a court of law, the verdict would be that Sunday was the day of communal worship not the old Jewish Sabbath.
---e.lee7537 on 4/23/13


You would NEVER be able to tell by his writing that Luke was a non jew.
---francis on 4/23/13

Please present your Biblical evidence that Luke was not a Jew.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/23

There is none!!!

That is my point
Nothing in the entire Bible tells us that Luke was jew or that Luke was none Jew

Luke makes a great contribution to the NT, and Luke wrotes more about proper sabbath observance than any other NT writer

I have not checked, but he may have written more aboutthe sabbath than moses

If he is gentile, he is one sabbath loving gentile
---francis on 4/23/13


You would NEVER be able to tell by his writing that Luke was a non jew.
---francis on 4/23/13

I have heard this so often I must challenge this.

Please present your Biblical evidence that Luke was not a Jew.

Here is some of my Biblical evidence to Luke being a Jew...

Luke wrote more NT pages than any other Biblical writer, including Paul. Why would God use a Gentile to do so when He said in His word...

Rom 3:1-2 "Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the benefit of circumcision? Great in every respect. First of all, that they were entrusted with the oracles of God"
---Mark_Eaton on 4/23/13


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There are only TWO mentions of first day in the book of Acts. One states that the disciples met on saturday evening ( sunday by bible time) Paul preached until midnight

The other one makes a request of the church that on Sunday they put saide something at home (not a request to bring something to church) for the saints

Luke who is presumed to be a gentile, writes not to the church but to Theophilus ( some say to defend paul) proving that christainity ( which paul was preaching, which was illegal to bring a new relgion to Rome) is not a new religion, but the logical jewish conclusion of faith in God.

To make his point stick, Luke writes more about spiritual activity on the sabbath that any NT writer
---francis on 4/23/13


Samuelbb7 please read the Bible and give me Chapter and Verse that states Jesus is the Rock. Don't tell me symbols, a direct quote.

Only one direct quote places someone as a rock is done by Jesus.

Matthew 16:18 "And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it."
Jesus keeps His promise. The RCC is the only structure today as it was 2000 years ago. No country, no religion.

I don't think you know what the word Schism means.
The Orthodox departing from us is a schism.
Because they still maintain the 7 Sacraments.

Protestant left with only 2 Sacraments and started a new sect. Not a schism, but heresy.
---Nikki on 4/23/13


The Early church had many equal Bishops. But the Roman Catholic church worked to make itself the only true church which started the Great Schism. To do this they manufactured Peter as the first Pope. Then claimed and try to murder those who disagreed with them leading to war and bloodshed.

Read the Bible GOD/JESUS is our rock not any man.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/23/13


Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Why did the gentiles have to wait until NEXT SABBATH, why not meet NEXT DAY?

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Where are the churches which are teaching every Sunday?
---francis on 4/23/13


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---Nikki on 4/23/13
There is no record of Peter or Paul or any APostle making a change from Sabbath to Sunday


---e.lee7537 on 4/22/13
Wrong on BOTH counts

There's nothing in the text about a church service, but each person is to "lay by him in store(AT HOME)." the first of the week

Second Luke is the one who wrote acts and luke

You would NEVER be able to tell by his writing that Luke was a non jew. There is TWICE as much about the sabbath in the gospel of luke that any other Gospel.


---francis on 4/23/13


Nikki, Those Keys that the Apostle Peter received represented Keys to the Truths, and to the Ways of GOD's Kingdom that were already set and established by GOD in Heaven. They were, and are not, Keys for him (or any Pope) to "change or alter" what GOD has already firmly established in Heaven. Those Keys are for OPENING UP the Truths and realities that are "locked up" in Heaven, and making those Truths and realities active on Earth. Just as "Mama Romana" altered the affirmation of Simon as "Petros" erroneously into a Papacy, she has, equally, altered and misconstrued the meaning of the "Keys of the Kingdom" to suit the whims of a religious leader.
---Gordon on 4/23/13


But you did not get that from Acts,
''The [Roman Catholic] Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her founder, Jesus Christ.---francis on 4/22/13

We are saying the same thing.
Peter had the authority to change the Sabbath to Sunday.
Paul and the others have accepted Peter's authority because Jesus gave him the keys.
---Nikki on 4/23/13


But you did not get that from Acts,
''The [Roman Catholic] Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her founder, Jesus Christ.---francis on 4/22/13

We are saying the same thing.
Peter had the authority to change the Sabbath to Sunday.
Paul and the others have accepted Peter's authority because Jesus gave him the keys.
---Nikki on 4/23/13


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// Acts does confirm believers made sunday their day of worship.

Where?
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Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow, and continued his speech until midnight.

The 1st day of the week always refers to Sunday. While Paul taught until midnight and Jews reckoned days to be from sundown to sundown such was not how Gentiles reckoned time.

Secondly, 1 Cor. 16:2 confirms that the church met and collection could be made on Sunday.

Also the insurmountable evidence of history confirms that the church always met on Sundays.

All you have is E. G. Whites interpretation, not accepted by any Bible scholar.
---e.lee7537 on 4/22/13


Acts does confirm that believers made sunday their day of worship.
---e.lee7537 on 4/22/13
Where? I posted the only two references to first day in acts and none of them say anything about Sunday meeting. One said that they met on what we call Saturday night, and the other asked the people to put something aside on the first day of the week LAY BY HIM IN STORE ( at home)

So there is no record of any Sunday services in acts at all

Now with regard to the idea that only Jewish christians kept the sabbath
Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore GENTILE CONVERTS are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God,
---francis on 4/22/13


Maybe not according to your services, but for us when we go to Church we call it Mass. ---Nikki on 4/22/13

But you did not get that from Acts,
''The [Roman Catholic] Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter the Seventh-day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant.'' The Catholic Universe Bulletin, August 14, 1942, p.
---francis on 4/22/13


Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Why did the gentiles have to wait until NEXT SABBATH, why not meet NEXT DAY?

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Where are the churches which are teaching every Sunday?

The fact is BOTH Jew and gentile converts kept sabbath

Ephesians 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition [between us],
---francis on 4/22/13


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There's nothing in the text about a church service,...THERE IS NO RECORD OF THE CHURCH MEETING ON SUNDAYS IN ACTS AT ALL---francis

Maybe not according to your services, but for us when we go to Church we call it Mass. Because the Priest is offering up the Bread and Wine to become the Body and Blood of Jesus as Jesus commanded on the Last Supper.
Jesus broke bread and gave it the 11 Disciples. (Judas left).

So the Followers called Mass the 'breaking of bread'

ACTS 20:7
ON the FIRST DAY of the week
when we gathered to BREAK BREAD, Paul spoke to them.....
---Nikki on 4/22/13


Gordon//The Book of ACTS tells us that the early Church still regarded the Sabbath, 7th-Day style.

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True but ONLY to Jewish Christians that continued in the Old Covenant laws and ordinances. Jewish Christians still insisted upon circumcision, the Levitical dietary laws, all the laws of Moses.


The overwhelming and insurmountable evidence of history tells us that the Gentile church did not observe the Sabbath nor did their leaders teach observance of anything distinctly Jewish. And it can be proven that many of these leaders were direct successors of the Apostles.
---e.lee7537 on 4/22/13


Acts 2 v 38 was given, delivered to the Jewish people First on the day of Pentecost by Apostle Peter. Apostle Paul brought The Very Same to us gentiles. STILL for us to today, the Same as the Early Church.
There is NO other salvation from God outside of Acts 2 v 38.
---Lawrence on 4/22/13


Then I ask you when and how did Christians start to have communal worship on Sundays?
---e.lee7537 on 4/22/13
ACCEPT SCRIPTURE
i should you from SCRIPTURE that there was no sunday mass, services in Acts

Now where does the sunday thing come from:
Daniel 7:23 The fourth beast ( ROME) ..shall think to change times and laws:

Revelation 13:2 and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Not by divine authority, but by devils auhority

ACCEPT THE SCRIPTURES
---francis on 4/22/13


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//Then I ask you when and how did Christians start to have communal worship on Sundays?
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If 6 people witnessed a crime, an interview with each would produce a slightly different version of what actually happened unless of course, there was a video produced of the crime.

However, a jury in attempt to be unbias in determining the guilt or innocence to the defendant, would consider all the evidence and without absolute proof would deliver a verdict.

In much the same way, those that examine what actually happened in the book of Acts, would most likely would find the evidence insurmountable in that the church no longer observed the Jewish Sabbath and conclude that its observance was not required.
---e.lee7537 on 4/22/13


Francis //THERE IS NO RECORD OF THE CHURCH MEETING ON SUNDAYS IN ACTS AT ALL

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Then I ask you when and how did Christians start to have communal worship on Sundays?

SDA church historian Bacchiocchi has found from his research that Sunday worship among Gentile churches was the norm by 135AD. He blames the early church for avoiding persecution from the Romans by not wanting to be identified with Judaism.

I believe that since the early leaders of the church many of whom were direct successors of the Apostles, did not teach Jewish laws to their people.

And Acts does confirm that believers made sunday their day of worship.
---e.lee7537 on 4/22/13


e.lee, The Book of ACTS tells us that the early Church still regarded the Sabbath, 7th-Day style.
---Gordon on 4/22/13


There is no record of the Church meeting on Saturday either.
What we do find, however is:
Acts 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
Acts 5:42 And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.
Acts 16:5 And so were the churches established in the faith, and increased in number daily.
Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath ...
vv6,7 ... I will go unto the Gentiles. And he departed thence, and entered into a certain [man's] house ...
v11 And he continued [there] a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them
---micha9344 on 4/22/13


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One thing that does not appear is so much attention to the Sabbath, but the attention was mainly to Jesus and to preaching the Gospel. But Paul would go to synagogue, on the Sabbath, using that occasion to preach the gospel, I can see > Acts 13:13-49.

Also, ones were still into favoring their own Jewish identity, it seems to me, by discriminating against the Hellenist widows (Acts 6). And Peter and other leaders "played the hypocrite" (Galatians 2:11-13) against Gentile-background Christians.

So, not all was good. "Test all things, hold fast what is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21)
---willie_c: on 4/22/13


I Corinthians 16:2. Upon the first day of the week let every one of you LAY BY HIM IN STORE, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come."

There's nothing in the text about a church service, but each person is to "lay by him in store(AT HOME)." the first of the week was the best time for the people to set some money aside" lay by him in store(AT HOME)" because later in the week it would be spent.

THERE IS NO RECORD OF THE CHURCH MEETING ON SUNDAYS IN ACTS AT ALL
---francis on 4/22/13


The "early church in Acts" went through great persecution not only by the Jews who rejected Christ as God but the early Christians were also under the rule of the Roman empire.

It was a great test of faith to those who professed to be Christians then and that's because their lives were literally put on the line not only by their fellow Jews but also that of the Romans.

The book of Acts revealed many things other than that was prophesied in the OT that was to come which happened on Pentecost Day. These prophesies from the OT confirms that God had purposed these events to happen which clearly confirms the doctrine of predestination, which many reject to their detriment.
---christan on 4/22/13


Luke uses the Sabbath to show that Christianity isn't a new religion

Acts 13:42 Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Acts 13:44 the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Acts 15:21 Moses hath in every city them that preach him,..in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Acts 16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side,

Acts 1:12 from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.

Acts 13:14 went into the synagogue on the sabbath day,

Acts 17:2 Paul,went in unto them, and three sabbath days

Acts 18:4 he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath,

Acts 13:27 the prophets are read every sabbath day,
---francis on 4/22/13


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The New English Bible translates this text like this:

"On the Saturday night, in our assembly for the breaking of bread, Paul, who was to leave the next day, addressed them, and went on speaking until midnight." Acts 20: 7.

This was a night meeting - the dark part of the first day of the week.

The Bible reckons a day from sunset to sunset.

The seventh day begins on sunset Friday evening. The first day of the week begins sunset Saturday evening
Paul is together with his friends on the dark part of the first day of the week - Saturday night. This is a farewell get-together. He preached until mid-night, leaves on a long journey sunday morning

Early church in Acts NOT MEETING SUNDAY MORNING
---francis on 4/22/13


The New English Bible translates this text like this:

"On the Saturday night, in our assembly for the breaking of bread, Paul, who was to leave the next day, addressed them, and went on speaking until midnight." Acts 20: 7.

This was a night meeting - the dark part of the first day of the week.

The Bible reckons a day from sunset to sunset.

The seventh day begins on sunset Friday evening. The first day of the week begins sunset Saturday evening
Paul is together with his friends on the dark part of the first day of the week - Saturday night. This is a farewell get-together. He preached until mid-night, leaves on a long journey sunday morning

Early church in Acts NOT MEETING SUNDAY MORNING
---francis on 4/22/13


Early Gentile Christians met on the first day of the week for communal worship and often very early in the mornings.

Acts 20:7 (Message Bible) We met on Sunday to worship and celebrate the Masters Supper. Paul addressed the congregation. Our plan was to leave first thing in the morning, but Paul talked on, way past midnight.

Jewish Christians, however, continued in the Old Covenant laws worshipping at the Temple and synagogues. But their leadership disappeared with the Jewish rebellions.

While they did witness to Jews in the synagogues, the home church was the model. Contrary to some beliefs, synagogues did not become churches.
---e.lee7537 on 4/21/13


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