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Denominational churches are worth tens of trillions of dollars - holding real estate, art collections, statues, office equipment, furniture, etc. They also bring in tens of billions of dollars each year. Do you really believe they will not compromise their faith to keep all these assets and revenue?

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Steven, you need to stop complaining about denominational churches. Don't you realize they are there by God's permission? They have a reason to be there. God knows what the reason is, not you. You only look at the negative and never on the positive concerning the gathering of believers. You believe their is only believers in your church gathering, but you are wrong. There is believers in every corner of the earth, and every denomination. Stop looking at the dollar signs, and start looking at what you can do for the glory of God by helping believers in those denominations.
---Mark_V. on 10/9/13


Stephen, mega churches have mega bucks but there are far more churches who are struggling to stay open. anyone who tells you money will get you to heaven is a heretic. My pastor kept our church afloat without taking a paycheck, even tho he has a family. but.....we are faithful and our church has grown but believe me, we don't own property except what our church sits on.
---shira4368 on 10/6/13


They are there for # ' s & $ ' s. Go ahead & do your sinning your ok & you'l make to heaven. Just keep bringing your money to church. <- -Under the influence of here, 2nd.Cor.11 v 14 & his Lies.
---Lawrence on 10/5/13


Steveng: It depends on who the prime-mover of the church is. If the Holy Spirit is in charge, such congregations are a blessing to all, if the assembly's focus is not on Christ, it is a big problem(but God can resolve this).
---Adetunji on 5/15/13


One of the things I always do when I see a church with lots of money is to look at their expenses first before passing judgement. How are they spending that money? For example: our church had a house given to them. During Katrena,(sp) our church bought furniture for that house, stocked it with food and provided housing for a family who left New Orleans with nothing but the clothes on their back because they lost everything in the flood. The church bought some clothes and when they left, gave them the furniture and of course the clothes. This and other forms of community service are done each year. And, "No", they will not compromise their faith for some material assets & revenue. (Some might.)
---wivv on 5/10/13




When church members are faithful to God in both tithes and offerings, the church cannot help but be rich without compromise
---francis on 4/29/13

francis, so what you are saying is the salary of the pastor is MORE important than the great commission? is that the reason why millions of children are dying of starvation so a pastor could afford to buy a private jet? you are gullible
---mike on 5/8/13

Not sure howyou got that from my post at all

1 Timothy 5:18 For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer [is] worthy of his reward.
---francis on 5/8/13


francis

so what you are saying is the salary of the pastor is MORE important than the great commission? is that the reason why millions of children are dying of starvation so a pastor could afford to buy a private jet? you are gullible
---mike on 5/8/13


Scott 1, I believe what they are talking about is the Word of Faith teachers making money using the word of God as their tool. deceiving those who are going through something hard and promising them a cure if they only give money. And since so many people are going through some hard times, they can be easly deceived into giving a lot more then they have, just to get a miracle. And if the prayer does not come true, then it is your fault for not giving enough and holding back or your fault because you did not have enough faith.
But you are right about many other churches, they do a lot of work for the Lord in ministries and giving out food.
---Mark_V. on 5/1/13


When church members are faithful to God in both tithes and offerings, the church cannot help but be rich without compromise
---francis on 4/29/13


francis

church should be rich without compromise? when churches are rich & pastors are rich, they have compromised their faith...and what hypocrisy to preach 'contentment' yet cherrypick 'pastors should be paid well'
---mike on 4/29/13




Just because a church has a lot of money flowing through the church does not mean the church is rich. Having money is a good thing because ministries cost money and with more money you can do more ministries and with more money you can do ministries excellently and with perfection. It is sad when a church settles (keyword settles)for substandard facilities, equipment, toys, etc in the name of being godly. Our GOD owns the cattle on a thousand hills (psalms 50:10). The Church can take a lot from the business world in that changing the way we view money from evil to a tool. See parable of the shrewd manager (Luke 16).
---Scott1 on 4/29/13


Many pastors in U.K. are lay pastors, working full time elsewhere for money and running a church, doing as much work as paid pastors do. Some even receive free school meals for their children because they are in need of them.

The wealthy pastors here are the ones with the mega churches of the Health and Prosperity movement. They preach a false gospel but it is one that many people WISH to hear. The members are not wealthy though - just the pastor and his hangers-on.

Why these members cannot see that what they hear from the pulpit never comes to pass I really don't know. They must be blinded by Satan.

They are sheep following the wolf.
---Rita_H on 4/28/13


\\ Just a few rumors heard around town about my church, we don't have any of this.
---Scott1 on 4/26/13\\

The myth of the rich church is one of the pervasive ideas in the popular media.

I'm also repeatedly hearing promos for a TV series claiming that 20% of men who resort to prostitutes are clergy. I wonder how they came up with THAT statistic?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/26/13


Oh you mean the 3 story underground parking garage, pastor's helicopter that he flies, the 1040 tax returns cabinet. Just a few rumors heard around town about my church, we don't have any of this.
---Scott1 on 4/26/13


Nikki...You didn't upset me. A lot of people think there is a lot of money in churches, even small ones. It is sad to see luxurious buildings built when people are hungry and homeless.
---KarenD on 4/25/13


What is the Biblical reason for priests not being allowed to own their own property? Why not let them keep their stuff and get married?---Jed on 4/25/13

Priest do not take a vow of poverty unless they enter a Religious order like a Monk or the like. They own property, but not Church property.

The Biblical reason you requested: Matthew 10:5-15

V 9-10 Do not take gold or silver or copper for your belts, no sack for the journey or a second tunic, or sandals or walking stick. The laborer deserves his keep.

Why not marry? Matthew 19:12
...some, because they have renounced marriage for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it."
---Nikki on 4/26/13


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I know many Pastor who don't take a salary, but they are few.
---Nikki on 4/25/13


Perhaps this is true in the Catholic Church. But they are rather abundant in protestant churches, especially non-denominational churches and small churches.

What is the Biblical reason for priests not being allowed to own their own property? Why not let them keep their stuff and get married?
---Jed on 4/25/13


\\You might be surprised how many retired pastors are living below the poverty line because they served the Lord and not themselves.
---KarenD on 4/24/13\\

No, I wouldn't be. Many of them are Orthodox.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/25/13


The RCC and LDS come to mind when speaking of denominations that own vast real estate holdings, etc.--KarenD

I hope I didn't upset you, I was explaining the vast real estate. The building and Church and land belongs to the Church.
I know many Pastor who don't take a salary, but they are few.
That is one reason why priest can't marry because property belonging to the Church has been taken away my marry priest family.
---Nikki on 4/25/13


Steveng, you say,
"What say you, Mark V, of all the people one these blogs are of the same mind spiritually or are they different worldly points of view"
The answer should be clear, not many who answer are genuine Christians. Second, Satan does nothing but tempt people. The people are responsible for creating the denominations. We cannot blame satan. The people are doing the desires of their father the devil, and don't even realize it, they think they have free will, but in reality they are slaves of sin. But it is them who are doing the sins. But as believers we do have a choice since we are free from sin, we can help or we can keep destroying.
---Mark_V. on 4/25/13


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Jed you are so right about pastors working. My dad was one of them. I think I told here once when my dad passed away the church offered us the money my dad refused to take when he was pastor. Of course we declined to take it.
---shira4368 on 4/25/13


Many pastors work a full time job in addition to being a pastor because they are paid little or nothing at all as a pastor. Some pastors even stake money they made at their other job and spend it on the church to keep the doors open.
---Jed on 4/24/13


Nikki....There are lots of pastors in denominations all over the world who do not accept pay for their ministry. You might be surprised how many retired pastors are living below the poverty line because they served the Lord and not themselves.
---KarenD on 4/24/13


Your helpless attempt to claim the moral high ground isn't working, Steveng. In fact, it smacks of envy that your own worldly denominational church doesn't have so much.

The question you should be asking yourself is if YOU will stand strong and not compromise, not if others will or will not.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/24/13


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Cluny I don't think we are talking about upkeep of a church but we are talking about extravagance. I don't even think we are talking about supporting our pastor. My pastor should live good because he works hard.
---shira4368 on 4/23/13


Mark_V.: "There is millions of topics to discuss from Scripture, all you care about is causing more division."

Me causing division? Satan has caused the biggest division in christiandom having over 33,000 denominations just in the United States alone without my help.
---Steveng on 4/23/13


Mark_V.: "Steveng, ...all you do is bring division between those who have a different point of view..."

I did not bring division among the people on these blogs. They came here on their own having preconcieved interpretations. The true church of Christ, the true body of christians, should have one thought, not many. Christians are to think alike, not having different opinions. Asking christians to be of one mind, not many. That all christians speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, that all christians be perfectly joined together in the same mind.

What say you, Mark V, of all the people one these blogs are of the same mind spiritually or are they different worldly points of view?
---Steveng on 4/23/13


As one old pastor said, "Salvation is free, but the church costs money to run."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/23/13


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The RCC and LDS come to mind when speaking of denominations that own vast real estate holdings, etc.---KarenD

Maybe because the RCC doesn't have to pay different families and have to start over with another Preacher and his family.

No Priest or Bishops own any property. Once they die it stay with the Church, not to children and their bank accounts.
---Nikki on 4/23/13


The RCC and LDS come to mind when speaking of denominations that own vast real estate holdings, etc.
---KarenD on 4/23/13


"Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal. But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also." Matthew 6:19-21

"For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows." 1 Timothy 6:10
---christan on 4/23/13


==I already know him well.==

I'd never be able to tell it on the basis of your posts here.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/23/13


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Steveng, I believe many of this denominations started with a good purpose, and yes, the idea of "the love of money" took many down the gutter. Many do compromise the word of God inorder to make a lot of money. The Word of faith teachers come to mine, with their Jets and many homes. Those I believe never had any faith to begin with. If they did, they would have abided in Christ. When you speak of art and priceless collections the denomination that comes to mind is the RCC. I don't think any other denomination can ever have what they already have in their archives. There is things in there, that not even many bishops know of.
---Mark_V. on 4/23/13


Karen our little church was built in the 70's and we are very small but we support missionaries. I've seen my pastor cut yards because the church didn't have money. I can say if we were rich we would just support more missionaries.
---shira4368 on 4/22/13


I've been searching all over our humble, little denominational church building to find those art collections and statues. We do have a church building and a parsonage which are both over 100 years old. Now if I can just find those tens of billions of dollars that we are supposed to be bringing in this year, we can house and feed some people.
---KarenD on 4/22/13


\\Don't you wish that YOUR worldly denominational church had Christ?
---Jed on 4/21/13\\

We do. Would you like me to introduce you to Him?
---Cluny on 4/22/13


I already know him well. Someone needs to introduce you and your entire worldly denomination to Him. Christians don't blaspheme the name of Christ by posting comments that are an embarrassment to Christianity, and then follow them with "Glory to Jesus Christ". You need to first repent of your blasphemy and your carnal divisiveness and become saved before you could ever think of introducing someone else to Jesus Christ.
---Jed on 4/22/13


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Steveng, by reading the answers it should tell you that all you do is bring division between those who have a different point of view then you concerning the Churches not Scripture. Why do you resort to such things? There is millions of topics to discuss from Scripture, all you care about is causing more division. For a change, try edifying the brothers and sisters in some way.
---Mark_V. on 4/22/13


\\Don't you wish that YOUR worldly denominational church had Christ?
---Jed on 4/21/13\\

We do. Would you like me to introduce you to Him?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/22/13


Malachi 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that [there shall] not [be room] enough [to receive it].
---francis on 4/22/13


"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other, or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." Matthew 6:24
---christan on 4/22/13


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God is rich in mercy! Baking bread and making money the church is still in the desert!
---Joseph_ROY on 4/21/13


Don't you wish that YOUR worldly denominational church had so much money?
---Cluny on 4/21/13


Don't you wish that YOUR worldly denominational church had Christ?
---Jed on 4/21/13


Do you really believe they will not compromise their faith to keep all these assets and revenue?
---Steveng on 4/21/13

God is rich, God is our father, we are stewards of his wealth. The church ought to be wealthy without compromise
---francis on 4/21/13


It is only the denominations that have the economy of scale to be effective in the Christian scene. For only they have the resources to respond to disaster relief activities. They can have palletized disaster relief supplies ready for air lift or sea lift on short notice tp any location in the world. They have the resources to operate seminaries, publishing houses, and hospitals, run effective international mission programs. Provide retirement and nursing homes for their retired clergy. While independent churches will simply remain non-effective Flatulence in the wind.
---Blogger9211 on 4/21/13


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You're really fixated on this people compromising, aren't you StevenG?

Don't you wish that YOUR worldly denominational church had so much money?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/21/13


I have always felt that elaborate church buildings are like idols, and that many attendees of such churches are as interested in being SEEN there as in worshipping. I attended country brush-arbor meetings as a kid, and never doubted Jesus was there.
---Geraldine on 4/21/13


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