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Is GOD a Triune GOD of Three separate Persons, or is GOD One Person with three separate "manifestations"?

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Judaism and the word "God." (1)

The Dead Sea Scrolls shed a little light on the subject.

"Praise him, divine spirits, praising for ever and ever the firmament of the highest heavens, all...and its wall, all its structure, its shape. The spirits of the holy of holies, the living 'gods', the spirits of eternal holiness above all the holy ones...The divine spirits surround the dwelling of the King of truth and righteousness, all its walls." (Vermes 226 [4Q403 I i, 30-46]).


Thank you for the opportunity to share this, and the other DSS references to follow, with you.
---scott on 5/22/13


Judaism and the word "God." (2)

The Dead Sea Scrolls...describing the Most Holy chamber:

"The figures of the 'gods' shall praise him, the most holy spirits...of glory, the floor of the marvelous innermost chambers, the spirits of the eternal gods, all...figures of the innermost chambers of the King...spirits of knowledge, truth and righteousness in holy of holies, forms of the living 'gods,'...

...All their works of art are...artistic figures of the 'gods,' engraved all around [in] splendour and majesty. All their works of art are living 'gods,' and their artistic figures are holy angels...(Vermes 228 [4Q405 19ABCD]).
---scott on 5/22/13


Scott, in Exodus 20:3 God Almighty (elohiym) commanded "you shall have no other gods (elohiym) before me", concurring with Deuteronomy 28:14 where God Almighty (elohiym) forbids we "follow other gods" (elohiym). It is clear "other gods" means deities other than Him. This leaves JW's serving Jesus who you call "a god." God forbids this.

Pertinently Exodus 34:14 calls the Covenanting God Almighty the same name as Jesus is called in Isaiah 9:6. If Jesus is just another god, then we must not worship him. However as Isaiah 9:6 shows Jesus is not here called elohim but El the name of God Almighty.

In reality you are safe in serving Jesus as He is God Almighty as Isaiah shows.
---Warwick on 5/22/13


Scott,

You're a bit hypocritical and bossy aren't you, mate!

Warwick and I have previously asked you several questions and you've refused on a number of occasions.

The point is that Jesus, in the NW[mis}T, is called a "god" AND in the same passage is identified as the creator. No one, apart from Jesus, is called both "god" and creator (i.e. by him all things were created). In any case, no Jew would ever, ever believe that Moses or the judges are really gods. If you think that then you've no idea about Judaism. Your JW theology has pushed you into a corner on this one.
---Marc on 5/21/13


"Which of the judges..." Marc

Before moving on to "Creatorship", are you finally acknowledging that the word "God" (Elohim/Theos) does not necessarily identify the Almighty?
---scott on 5/21/13




But, Scott, to which of the judges or anyone else do the Scriptures say "by him and through him' the whole cosmos came into being? Such a description ONLY applies to a Creator.

"Strangely" these words are predicated of Jesus. A JW must, logically say there are 2 creator gods. We, the orthodox, say there is only 1. The Trinity, properly understood (not as the JWs falsely represent it) captures both the logic and the reality.
---Marc on 5/21/13


"Obvious"- Warwick

Witnesses understand what you have never adressed and that I have referred to repeatedly in answer to your question.

The word "God" (Elohim/Theos) in the bible does not necessarily identify the Almighty. (See post below for those that the exact same biblical word applies to).

Therefore we do not have two Almighties anymore than Jesus believed that there were lots of Almighties by referring to the judges (citing Psalms) as Gods.

Did the Israelites not "follow" Moses (God - Ex 7:1) to the promised land?

Question:

Is Jehovah fully God?
Is Jesus fully God?
Is the Holy Spirit fully God?

How many "fully Gods" do you have?
---scott on 5/21/13


Scott you have 3 or 4 Gods. In your own, unique translation you firstly have Jehovah God, then as per Isaiah 9:6 you have the "Mighty God", and as per John 1:1 you have "a God." Such an unholy Trinity!

That of course leads me to just one of my many questions you are unable to answer:

Deuteronomy 28:14 says you must not "walk after other gods to serve them." However in the JW NWT translation Jesus is called "a god" in John 1:1! And in the same translation Colossians 3:24 says you must "Slave" for the Lord Jesus.

How do you reconcile the obvious, and serious, contradiction in that you, on the one hand must not serve any other gods, but you serve Jesus who you call a god?
---Warwick on 5/21/13


"One god + a father God at John 1:1 = polytheism."-Marc

Why stop there?

One God, the Father + One Mighty God, Jesus + the judges of Israel that Jesus referred to as gods at Jn 10:34 (Abdon, Barak, Ehud, Elon, Gideon, Ibzan, Jair, Jephthah, Joshua, Othniel, Samson, Shamgar, Tola), + Moses at Ex 4:16, 7:1 + all of the the angels*.

So your one God + One God equation takes on astronomical implications if everyone that the Hebrew word, Elohim, biblically applies to for various reasons is the Almighty God.

So now how many Gods do you have in your polytheistic equation?




* Strong's "430. God [elohim]-
"...occasionally applied...to magistrates, and...ANGELS..."
---scott on 5/20/13


---Gordon on 4/24/13

God is three " ententes" for lack of a better term

I would have to say that the manifestation have been more than 3, take for example the holy ghost manifesting as a dove, and as tongues of fire

These three, Father, Son and Spirit, are in agreement without controversy or having to take a vote

One of the things that fascinates me is this:

Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants

It does appear that knowledge is not instantaneously shared by the trinity
---francis on 5/19/13




Scott,

One god + a father God at John 1:1 = polytheism.

One creator god + another Creator at Colossians 1 = polytheism.

JWs are polytheists,so just another pagan heresy dressed up as orthodoxy to deceive many.
---Marc on 5/11/13


Oh Atheist, where are you???



---jerry6593 on 5/10/13


markv, sorry I made a big deal about Christ name. you are correct, Jesus Christ is God in the flesh. my comment sounded different than I meant it to sound.
---shira4368 on 5/8/13


Shira, I just wanted to clear one thing I said. I was not quoting John 1:1. I was explaining who the Word represented in John 1:1. He is the Christ, the Mediator spoken of in the Old Testament. He testifies of God the Father. The Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God testifies of Jesus Christ and who He is. Without the Spirit a person has no faith in Jesus Christ. Yes the Christ is God, Yes the Holy Spirit is God, and yes the Father is God.
---Mark_V. on 5/8/13


john 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
---shira4368 on 5/7/13


mike, in the beginning was the Word of God and the Word was Christ. Christ has always been the Word of God, for He testifies of God. The Holy Spirit has always been the Spirit of God. Jesus was the name given to Christ at His incarnation, When Christ took a human body.
---Mark_V. on 5/7/13


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This is for you that believe, always remember!

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come, and even now already is it in the world.

2Jn_1:7! I don't believe they know who they are!
But, you should know them!
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/7/13


In the beginning was the word, not Jesus. The word became flesh, not Jesus. The Spirit is the breath of God.The word is God's word.
---mike on 5/6/13


womandisciple on 4/26/13 ---- Jesus is not God , nor ever claim to be ?

Deuteronomy 6:4 - Hear,o Israel , The LORD our God is one LORD.

Ephesians 4:5 One LORD, one faith, one baptism.

1 Corinthains 1:9 - God is faithful, by whom ye fellowship of his son Jesus Christ LORD.

John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my
God.

John 10:30 - I and my Father are One.

John 14:7 - If ye had know me, ye should have know my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
---RICHARDC on 5/4/13


A theist: You have gone strangely silent.


---jerry6593 on 5/4/13


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"Repent of your worldly wisdom and prudence, abandon them, and God will reveal the truth to you" Cluny

From your doctrines you spew, I wouldn't dare say that you particularly fall into the teachings of Matthew 11:25-27 or in any of the Holy Scriptures. And mind you, I'm not judging you but the Bible judges what you say.

And you dare talk about "worldly wisdom"? So what does "babes" mean to you? Literal babies?
---christan on 5/3/13


\\At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.\\

Repent of your worldly wisdom and prudence, abandon them, and God will reveal the truth to you, too, christan.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/2/13


"Are you at all interested in finding the certainty about God?" francis

You can on your own? Is that what you're telling atheist? Let's see,

"At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.

All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father, neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him."
Matthew 11:25-27
---christan on 4/30/13


"I just believe in one less god than you. What's the problem?"
---atheist on 4/27/13


Atheist your "lesser god" is named "I" (specifically: Me, Myself & I ~ unholy trinity of YOU). That's your problem. The real God is "I AM".
---Leon on 4/30/13


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//Jerry,

So the best you have to offer is "godfull superstition"?
---atheist on 4/28/13
//


What "godfull superstition"? I offered you personal evidence of the existence of God. What evidence have you offered? ..... "godless superstition"?



---jerry6593 on 4/30/13


"That is why if you deny the divine expression in the Son, you are denying the source of that expression, the Father. And if you deny the Spirit that "gave birth" to the Son and works miracles thru the Son, you are also denying the Source (Father). Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Rejecting the one true Creator."
---LindaH on 4/28/13 Precisely Linda. Well said.
---Josef on 4/29/13


---atheist on 4/26/13

Are you at all interested in finding the certainty about God?
---francis on 4/29/13


Godful superstition is better than "agodful" superstition.
---aka on 4/29/13


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Jerry,

So the best you have to offer is "godfull superstition"?
---atheist on 4/28/13


leon,

yes, my sentence was awkward at best. godliness is an esoteric term to me leaves mystery...things that man will never know in this lifetime.

godhead is a concrete term used by man denoting everything about God is understood by man. i do not adhere to that.

i believe in triunity and you described it well.
---aka on 4/28/13


Father is the One and only Source, Foundation, and Sustainer of all that exist. Who brought forth His 'Word', (His Son) as HIs Divine Expression of Himself, by the 'Breath' of His mouth, (His Spirit).
---Josef on 4/26/13


Perfect, Josef!

That is why if you deny the divine expression in the Son, you are denying the source of that expression, the Father. And if you deny the Spirit that "gave birth" to the Son and works miracles thru the Son, you are also denying the Source (Father). Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Rejecting the one true Creator.
---LindaH on 4/28/13


Look closely at the word " Godhead" as used in context.

Godhead is used only when speaking to, or about people who do not worship Jehovah, those who teach other " wisdom teachings" concerning other gods, or those who have abandoned worshiping Jehovah to worship creation.

Those who worship creation, usually have a main god, such as the sun, and other lesser gods such as the moon and planets.

Zeus would be the father of gods and men. He would have lesser gods in his circle.

It is in this context that the word Godhead is used to show that in Divinity there is a trinity, with each member being fully God.
---francis on 4/29/13


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"...I would replace Godliness for Godhead.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among nations, believed on in the world, and received up into glory."
---aka on 4/27/13


Aka: I heard what you said, i.e., "replace Godliness for Godhead", but it seems that you really meant to say you'd replace the Triune Godhead with Godliness since I did use the word Godhead, not Godliness. Is that it? If so, godliness speaks to the characteristic attributes of God. Godhead speaks to the divine nature of one God manifested in three persons (the Holy Trinity) & that's what this blog is about.
---Leon on 4/28/13


atheist, the problem is with you. you ask what the problem is and I can assure you it isn't Christians on this site. you will surely know on judgement day.
---shira4368 on 4/28/13


Womandisciple, How can you say that you know the Son, and then say that you also "know the Father", and, so, you speak of knowing them as if They are definitely two separate Persons, a Son and His Father. And yet, you turn right 'round and say that GOD is not a Triune GOD? 'Cause when you say what you just said, then claim non-Trinitarianism at the same time....I'm like, HUH??! SO, tell us P-L-A-I-N-L-Y, w.d., Are there Three Persons in GOD, or just One Person? A Son and Father are two distinct Persons, both are Divine, but, distinct. How can One Person be both it's Father and it's Son? yowzah!
---Gordon on 4/28/13


"I'm a non-Trinitarian and will always be, but I do know Jesus" womandisciple

Contradiction, denial, hypocrisy all rolled into one sentence is expressed by your heart. And that's most definitely not a Christian heart that's saved by grace.

How does a Christian even not know that the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost is ONE in God but three "persons"? To even say "I'm a non-Trinitarian" is simply to admit that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are not God in your believe. And on that basis, it's the very reason why God sends a soul to hell for all eternity.

You may say "I do know Jesus" but your confession says otherwise. You can't fool God.
---christan on 4/27/13


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Leon on 4/25/13

Great description of TRIUNITY!

i would replace Godliness for Godhead.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among nations, believed on in the world, and received up into glory.
---aka on 4/27/13


Love how Josef explained it! :D

Its not hard to see ONE God in three separate expressions!
---Jasheradan on 4/28/13


//
Jerry,

I just believe in one less god than you. What's the problem?
---atheist on 4/27/13
//


The problem is that you have NO BASIS upon which to base your conclusion. You only have a blind-faith religion of emptiness. Where is your EVIDENCE? I showed you ours. Prove the non-supernatural creation of life on earth if your godless supposition is true, or else crawl back into your sanctuary of mental darkness.


---jerry6593 on 4/28/13


\\Gordon I'm a non-Trinitarian and will always be, but I do know Jesus, the SON of God and I know his father. they're in unity with his fathers purpose\\

In other words, you don't know the real Jesus, so you don't know Jesus at all, and therefore have no knowledge of the Father.

You merely have CONCEPTIONS and IDEAS about them--idols you make up in your own mind, but God is not fooled by the lack of physical externals.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/27/13


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Gordon I'm a non-Trinitarian and will always be, but I do know Jesus, the SON of God and I know his father. they're in unity with his fathers purpose. I'm not a JW btw, to be non trinity. God still accepts me without buying into the trinity lies.
---womandisciple on 4/27/13


God is three people ( or persons for lack of a better term), who have equal powers, and agree in everything without having ta meeting or a vote
---francis on 4/27/13


atheist, You know deep down inside your soul that GOD exists. You have only succeeded in lying to yourself for so long that those lies have become the truth to you. But, the Holy Scriptures, the very Written Words of your Creator attest that all men know that GOD exists, even by looking around at all that there is, the Sun, moon, the stars, the planets, birds, fish, cattle and mankind themselves. All testify, by their very existence, that GOD is Alive and Well. And, you see all of HIS Creation of these good things around you so that you are without excuse when you actually stand before GOD one future day to give account of your very life. ROMANS Chapter 1.
---Gordon on 4/27/13


Jerry,

I just believe in one less god than you. What's the problem?
---atheist on 4/27/13


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Ps14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

See Atheist you yourself prove the scriptures to be true. :)
---trey on 4/26/13


You cannot define a God who lives outside of our limits of space and time.

We are a triune being ourselves according to scripture: body, spirit and soul. Noone has a problem understanding how we are three but yet one. God can somehow divide himself and still maintain his ONEness. I suppose if I were God, I would know how. Guess we'll just have to take it on faith.
---JackB on 4/26/13


atheist,

"The fool has said in his heart, there is no God" (Psa. 53:1). Unfortunately for you your irrefutable proof of God's existence will happen when you're standing before him at judgment and then it's too late. Philippians 2:10-11 says that every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Chris is Lord and that will include you whether you like it or not. So you can either confess He is Lord now and have life eternal or confess He is Lord later and die forever. Clearly you're a fool in choosing the latter.
---jason9835 on 4/27/13


Atheist, Joh_9:39!
Everyone is given a measure of faith, including you!
If you had no faith at all in anything I don't think you would want to even live.
So you must have faith in something.

I also see, you keep saying gods, as if there is more than one.
But that's ok too Atheist. Why, is it ok by me?
I'm not one of the people who will try to condemn you.
Because Christ said "you are condemned already!"
There no need!

Whether or not you believe in God has never been up to you.
That's the thing people who say they believe, don't believe!
Most think they picked God.

I know when the time comes all of these things will be made clear.
Peace
---TheSeg on 4/27/13


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marc, the trinity is God's alone. it absolutely exist. no man created anything. please study the king james bible. the trinity is from the beginning of God's Word to the end of God's Word. Christians can't believe part of the bible and not believe in all the bible. many here take things out of context.
---shira4368 on 4/27/13


Well, glory be! The pseudo-atheist has returned. (He's actually an agnostic because he doesn't know how life began on earth. But, he's sure that it was not because of anything supernatural - like God.)

Atheist you have no evidence that God does not exist, but we Christians do. We have life experiences such as character changes, answers to prayer, angelic rescues, etc. Our faith is beased on evidence, as:

Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

What evidence do you have to base your faith on? Blind supposition? Conjecture?


---jerry6593 on 4/27/13


Cluny,


Not any more faith than it takes not to believe in the flying spaghetti monster. If you can say that that belief requires "faith." The fact that a lot of people believe in a lot of bizarre things including gods, demons, and spirits does not demand that those who don't believe in such things require "faith."
---atheist on 4/26/13


Arguably, the primary definition of God is Creator. The JWs argue God had an angel called Michael creating all the universe. Therefore, having two gods, as they interpret John 1 and Colossians 1, the JWs are polytheists.

BTW, David, can you provide evidence from any 1st to 3rd century writer that supports your very modern, undocumented claim that Trinitarians borrowed the idea of the Trinity from pagan sources or are you again going to lie?
---Marc on 4/26/13


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\\Using "assume", allows all sorts of things to stand on par with your god, including the invisible pink unicorn, and the flying spaghetti monster.
---atheist on 4/26/13\\

When I asked my question, atheist, I was not referencing the Christian God in particular.

So, let me rephrase the question so you can understand it.

Why do you assume no deity exists?

Doesn't that require faith in itself?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/26/13


Cluny,


Using "assume", allows all sorts of things to stand on par with your god, including the invisible pink unicorn, and the flying spaghetti monster.
---atheist on 4/26/13


Always wonder about people, who say Jesus is not God.

All things were made by him. But he is not God.
He is your savior, but he is not God.

My Lord said if you had know me you would have know my father also.
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
I, even I, am the LORD, and beside me there is no saviour.

But he is not God!
So all things were not made by him!
And you have another savoir!
Other then God!

May God grant you the power of his spirit to believe!
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Peace
---TheSeg on 4/26/13


"Explain God"?

"O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are His judgments, and His ways past finding out! For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been His counsellor? Or who hath first given to Him, and it shall be recompensed unto Him again?

For of Him, and through Him, and to Him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen."
Romans 11:33-36

And in the last verse lies the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, coming together in one perfect harmony of the One True God.
---christan on 4/26/13


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womandisciple, Your claim crumbles with JOHN 1:1-14. The Son of GOD is "the Word". He is "the Word" made Flesh. Scriptures say that this Word was "with GOD" and it says that this Word "was God". And, He still is. When one understands that GOD is truly a Unification of Three Holy Persons, then, "the Word was with GOD, and the the Word was God" begins to make complete sense. GOD is ONE, just like a daddy, a mommy and a child are ONE family unit. As opposed to being "three families" 'cause there's "three persons" in there. GOD is Three in ONE. A human family is three or more-in-one. GENESIS 1:26, "...GOD said, 'Let US make man in OUR Image, after OUR Likeness..."
---Gordon on 4/26/13


neither. There is only 1 true God & that's the father of our lord Jesus Christ. Jesus is not God nor ever claimed to be God. He was born to be the ransom for us & is our mediator between us & God. the trinity was falsely given at least 300 yrs after Jesus.
---womandisciple on 4/26/13


\\So you assume that not only does the god you believe in exist\\

Well, you assume He doesn't, atheist.

Is there any real difference?

What makes your own assumption right?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/26/13


Atheist I would counter that atheism is the 'friend' of those who refuse to bow to God. The sort of friend who will disappear like mist when the pressure is on.
---Warwick on 4/26/13


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Father is the One and only Source, Foundation, and Sustainer of all that exist. Who brought forth His 'Word', (His Son) as HIs Divine Expression of Himself, by the 'Breath' of His mouth, (His Spirit).
---Josef on 4/26/13


\\It's kind of "hard" for Jesus the Son of God to be His own Father. \\

Nobody said He was, except maybe you, willie_c.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/25/13


Atheist, Your statement is true of most of the world's population,but to Christians we know only God could make yellow, blue,red,orange purple etc flowers with sweet smelling perfume come out of a brown clump of dirt that cannot be explained by any other means!
Think about it!
---1st_cliff on 4/25/13


Shira,

So you assume that not only does the god you believe in exist, but he/she/it will at some point in eternity judge me and my life badly and punish me? Aren't you second guessing or even placing yourself in the position of god?
---atheist on 4/25/13


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Atheist, you will surely know who God is on judgement day.
---shira4368 on 4/25/13


Gods are imaginary friends for those who need them.
---atheist on 4/25/13


It's kind of "hard" for Jesus the Son of God to be His own Father.

But it says Jesus is "the image of God" (2 Corinthians 4:4). An image of gold can be pure gold, while there are other forms of gold elsewhere, plus gold yet to be discovered which can be melted and formed into new images > Jesus is being "formed" in us > Galatians 4:19 > as our new inner Person. God flowing as the Holy Spirit through us (Romans 5:5) can form Himself into Jesus in each of us (c:

It can be like how liquid of a mother's blood crosses the placenta and God uses this "liguid mommy" to form a wiggling squiggling giggling baby . . . all from "water" and oxygen ("spirit") of the mother's blood.
---willie_c: on 4/25/13


Very well put, Leon. My congratulations! (See? I'm willing to admit when you say something right.)

1st_Cliff, remember that one of the themes of the movie THE TEN COMMANDMENTS is that Moses had two mommies.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/25/13


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I cannot totally explain my wife of 40 years and you expect me to be able to totally explain GOD.

I just accept what the Bible says. Three persons one GOD.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/25/13


1. God is Father. God is Son. God is Holy Spirit: the GODHEAD.

2. God is One "what" (GODHEAD) & Three "whos" (co-equal Supreme Beings with self determined & distinctly different, agreed upon, roles): the TRINITY.

- The Father isn't the Son or Holy Spirit.
- The Son isn't the Father or Holy Spirit.
- The Holy Spirit isn't the Father or Son.
- Father, Son & Holy Spirit are co-equally GOD!

3. God the Son (WORD), at the pleasure of God the Father, via God the Holy Spirit, became flesh (was born a creature & yet remained God the Creator: Emmanuel)! Jesus lived amongst us, lived humanly without sinning. He then paid the price for our deliverance & salvation from sin.
---Leon on 4/25/13


Willie, That analogy doesn't hold in today's society, I think there's more single parent famillies now than couples!
Not to mention Skippy has two daddies and Mary has two moms!
---1st_cliff on 4/24/13


God is made up of three "persons" to make up a triune personality God who share all attributes but have different roles and purposes who are in perfect community, relationship, and equality with each other to form one God. This is how Jesus (the manifestation of God the Son) can claim "I and the Father are one" and "if you have seen me you have seen the Father." The best example of this is Jesus on the cross and we see the breaking of that relationship between the Father and the Son.
Roles - The Father is the planner (Acts 1:7)
The Son the creator (John 1) and sacrifice so we can have relationship to the Father (Hebrews, Levi.)
The Holy Spirit is the pronouncer and power (Acts 1:8) to show the Father
---Scott1 on 4/24/13


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Each member of a family is a person but also one manifestation of the family.

God made man in His image, and man is a family being, of three basic persons . . . father, child, and mother . . . in the image of God who is "love" (1 John 4:8 & 16) . . . family caring and sharing love which "needs" to have more than one Person sharing and caring (c:

Each Person is a manifestation of how love is, as our Father, as Jesus, and as the Holy Spirit. "They can't be manifestations of love, without each being a Person" . . . "if" love is personal (c:
---willie_c: on 4/24/13


"Manifestation" is precisely the wrong word to use, as it's part of the theological vocabulary of Sabellian modalism, otherwise known as "oneness."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/24/13


And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel, The Lord our God is one Lord:

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.


All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father, and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.


Why askest thou me? ask them which heard me, what I have said unto them: behold, they know what I said.
Peace
---TheSeg on 4/24/13


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