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The Breath Of Life

Just exactly what was "the breath of life" that God infused into the "dust of the earth" to create man?

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//i have never asked you these.// francis

yes, you have a few years ago. i answered then...in detail. then, i withdrew because it was a senseless argument. but, i will answer in a shorter way this time.

1. Jud_1:9 Michael the Archangel did not say I rebuke you. he said the Lord rebuke you.

Mar_16:19 So then the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God.

2. I believe that Jesus shows his servants what will soon take place and Jesus is God incarnate (Rev 1:8).

3. I believe that all messengers are not angels (ex. john the baptist). I believe the messenger of the covenant in Malachi is a messenger of the Lord.
---aka on 5/24/13


---aka on 5/24/13

i have never asked you these. Maybe I should.

1: Who do you beleive Michael the Arch angel is and why?

2: Do you belive that Jesus acts as a messenger fo the father? Revelation 1:1

3: Who do you believe is the messenger of the covenant? Malachi 3:1

4: Why do you suppose that in Daniel 12 and 1 thess Michael is present both to stand up( rescue Gods people,) and his voice his heard that raises the dead?

5: How do you reconside these: Thess 4:16..THE VOICE OF THE ARCHANGEL,..raises the dead

John 5:28 HIS VOICE ( JESUS), raises the dead

Daniel 12:1 and 2 Michael stands up for thos who are in the book of life, and the dead are awakened?
---francis on 5/24/13


Eccl 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward, for the memory of them is forgotten... neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

Psalms 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, in that very day his thoughts perish

That is why it is so important to understant what the bible teaches about death and the soul
Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch that, IF IT WERE POSIBLE, they shall deceive the very elect.
---francis on 5/24/13


//Samuel: "We just teach that Archangel is just a job description not being an angel."Great point!,//

By "we" you mean your church because to dismiss an important title epecially like that is not supported by any Scripture.

Archangel is just a title.

Statements like that make me know that any person that adheres to this is just in a church in title.
---aka on 5/24/13


The Bible says it was Samuel.
The only reason someone would believe it was not Samuel is because of a false doctrine about the spirit and soul.
They have to deny the clear understanding of certain passages that are just as inspired as the rest to make their doctrine fit.
This can also be said of many docrtines adhered to by many of us here.
---micha9344 on 5/24/13




understood. what is the significance?
---aka on 5/23/13
Spritualism!!
People even christains are always trying to communicate with the dead.

Instead of the dead, they are actually communiating with the devil and his demons

2 Cor 11:14 And no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.


1 Samuel 28:15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed, for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do.
This was not Samuel
---francis on 5/24/13


//We follow the Bible saying the Breath or Spirit return to GOD and the dead do not think until the Resurrection.// samuel

understood. what is the significance?

---aka on 5/23/13


Samuel: "We just teach that Archangel is just a job description not being an angel."

Great point!

I don't understand why these folks aren't screaming "Jesus was not a created sheep".



---jerry6593 on 5/24/13


I do not have an argument with you personally,... In fact, on other blogs, my answers to you were polite. On the other hand francis got personal and called me an idiot.
Most of the answers I have given come from Whites early writings. 1963 pp. 32,33 pp. 21,22.
Mark_V.

I apoligize for missing this earlier. Thank you Mark. I wish that Francis would act in a more loving matter. Your quote was accruate but your history is off. Rachel Oaks a Seventh day Baptist convinced a Capt. Bates of the Sabbath and he taught this to the Whites. Her vision came after Bible study and acceptance of what GOD had written.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/24/13


markv, don't be disturbed at francis. everything he puts here and quotes the scriptures is always out of context. we all know Michael the arc angel is not the same as Jesus. Michael is probably His right hand forman.
---shira4368 on 5/24/13




Dear micha9344

The Doctrine that Michael is a name for JESUS in the Old Testament was not started by the Seventh day Adventist church or Ellen G. White. If you do a little research you will find this doctrine was also taught by Matthew Henry in the 1700.

Where the confusion is that as Seventh day Adventist believe in the trinity. We just teach that Archangel is just a job description not being an angel. This is a minor point. But opponents try to make it major.

So instead of trying to answer the truth about the Bible teaching resurrection of the dead and not the immortal soul we get attacked on a non important point with a lie to distract from the truth.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/23/13


micha9344 on 5/23/13
1 Thess 4:16..THE VOICE OF THE ARCHANGEL,..

You may say that the shout is from an cherub,( possible)
trump of God: a cherub (possible)

But the VOICE is clearly the VOICE of the arch angel

now compare
John 5:28 for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear HIS VOICE ( JESUS), And shall come forth, they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life, and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

So the voice that raises the dead is in one place Jesus, and another Michael

Then add: Daniel 12:1 at that time shall Michael stand up, ... And many of THEM THAT SLEEP in the dust of the earth shall awake
---francis on 5/23/13


---scott on 5/23/13
yeah, but I am not angry at mark_V.

Psalms 75:4 I said unto the fools, Deal not foolishly: and to the wicked, Lift not up the horn:

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool [is] right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel [is] wise.

words have meaning, some people are foos, some are idiots, som are morons
---francis on 5/23/13


\1 Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the VOICE OF THEARCHANGEL, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:\-francis on 5/23/13
So the shout and the voice are from the same source (Jesus' mouth), but not the trump?
Or, perhaps, they are all from different sources, however this would not fit with SDA doctrine, so it must not be the correct interpretation.
As grammar suggests: with a shout, with the voice, and with the trump are separate.
SDA's must interpret this as they do regardless of grammar to maintain the doctrine from their false prophetess, EG White.
---micha9344 on 5/23/13


Just exactly what was "the breath of life" that God infused into the "dust of the earth" to create man?
---jerry6593 on 4/30/13

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

Genesis 7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.

Job 27:3 All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils,

Eccl 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts, even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other, yea, they have all one breath, so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity
---francis on 5/23/13


"There are very good reasons why I call you an idiot." Mark_V

"But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court, and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' ["idiot" NLT], shall be guilty before the supreme court, and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell." Matt 5:22, NASB
---scott on 5/23/13


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An archangel saving you? Only God saves.
---Mark_V. on 5/23/13

There are very good reasons why I call you an idiot

Daniel 12:1 at that time shall Michael stand up, ... And many of THEM THAT SLEEP in the dust of the earth shall awake

John 5:28 the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall HEAR HIS VOICE, And shall come forth

1 Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the VOICE OF THEARCHANGEL, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
---francis on 5/23/13


So, genereations of "devout christians" have been wrong for over 1500 years,
---micha9344 on 5/23/13
why does that suprise you?


Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Exodus 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:

Exodus 20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
---francis on 5/23/13


So, genereations of "devout christians" have been wrong for over 1500 years, just as Jehovah's Witness' claim.
These both can be traced back to the ex-Millerites of the mid to late 1800's.
Sabbaterians, Judaizers, and Arians have been spouting off their heretical doctrines for ages, yet the groups re-organized themselves through several false predictions and disillusioned followers.
E.G White and family, C.T Russell and family all share this common belief.
---micha9344 on 5/23/13


polite. On the other hand francis got personal and called me an idiot.
---Mark_V. on 5/23/13

You are yet to prove otherwise

ONE MORE CHANCE

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

Get 2/3 right and I will upgrade you

1: What did God use to make man
2: What did God do to make man a living soul?
3: Did God give man a soul or the breath of life?
---francis on 5/23/13


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H. francis, it is you who teaches heathen doctrines. Heathens and pagans believe in other gods as you do. An archangel saving you? Only God saves.
Seems to me you are the heathen. Before you condemn others with your answers concerning the soul, slap your soul around a few times, because it is soul sleeping.
---Mark_V. on 5/23/13


It Michael that you have gone from believing in the immortal soul. To believing that the Spirit is the living entity that lives in our body. For that is what your post suggests.

So then you agree with Francis and I that there is no immortal soul.

Why I agree that Spirit can be used to refer to an intelligent being for Instance the HOLY SPIRIT. But there is no verse where it is used to an intelligent life apart from the Body. It is who we really are that is true. But without the body it does not think or act on it's own.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/22/13


The doctrine that the "soul" goes on to live after the body is dead is heathen.

When God said dead, he meant dead, not live on in heaven
---francis on 5/22/13


Dear Samuel

I do not have an argument with you personally, You have not mention Jesus been Michael the archangel. In fact, on other blogs, my answers to you were polite. On the other hand francis got personal and called me an idiot.
Yes, we know why the Sabbath was given to Israel, because of the six day creation and God rested on the Seventh. The memorial was for God bringing Israel of their bondage. Most of the answers I have given come from Whites early writings. 1963 pp. 32,33 and also her writings in pp. 21,22.
She said, "I saw that the Sabbath commandement was not nailed to the cross. If it was, the other nine commandments were, and we are at liberty to break them all, as well as to break the fourth."
---Mark_V. on 5/23/13


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Job 33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.

Mana Living Soul. What did the breath of life do? When God formed the human being from the elements of the earth, all the organs were present: the heart, lungs, kidneys, liver, spleen, brain, etc.all perfect, but lifeless. Then God breathed into this lifeless matter the breath of life and "man became a living being."

It is important to note that the Bible says that man became a living soul. Nothing in the Creation account indicates that man received a soulsome kind of separate entity that, at Creation was united with the human body.
---francis on 5/22/13


\...neither the Hebrew nor the Greek term for spirit (ruach and pneuma...) refers to an intelligent entity capable of a conscious existence apart from the body. Rather ... refer to the "breath"the spark of life...\-francis on 5/22/13
Mat 3:16 ...and he saw the Spirit(pneuma-intelligent entity) of God descending like a dove...
Mat 10:1 ...he gave them power [against] unclean spirits (pnuema-intelligent entities)...
Mat 26:41 ...the spirit (pneuma-breath?-spark?) indeed [is] willing...
Luk 1:47 And my spirit(pneuma-breath?-spark?) hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
Jhn 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit (pneuma-intelligent entity) is spirit (pneuma-breath?-spark?).
---micha9344 on 5/22/13


Dear Mark

If you actually read the fourth commandment the reason given for the Sabbath is that GOD made it during creation week.

Also you are misquoting White. Which breaks the do not bear false witness commandment. If you wish to disagree with me and Fancis then do so based on the Bible. You haul in another argument to attack instead of actually trying to reply to what the Bible says. That is a tactic people use when they cannot support their belief.

Thank you Jerrry. Agape to all.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/22/13


The Spirit Returns of God. Though the body returns to dust, the spirit returns to God. Solomon said that at death "the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it" (Eccl. 12:7). This is true of all, both the righteous and the wicked.

Many have thought that this text gives evidence that the essence of the person continues to live after death. But in the Bible neither the Hebrew nor the Greek term for spirit (ruach and pneuma, respectively) refers to an intelligent entity capable of a conscious existence apart from the body. Rather, these terms refer to the "breath"the spark of life essential to individual existence, the life principle that animates animals and human beings
---francis on 5/22/13


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Francis & Samuelbb7: Congratulations for your patience in trying to reason with MarkV. I find that conversing with him is like talking to a rock or trying to push a rope - much effort without any intelligent response or any progress.



---jerry6593 on 5/22/13


Heretic francis, if you a follower of White, you should have her visions already. The early writings of her visions are history. look them up yourself.
She also claimed,
"the Sabbath was set apart to be kept in honor of God's holy name." The Bible tells us that the Sabbath command when given to Moses was a memorial for Israel to remember their delivernce from Egypt. It was not given in honor of God's holy name as she said. She also stated that the Sabbath is the greatest commandment, While Jesus say's the greatest commandment is "Love the Lord you God with all your heart and with all your soul, and with all your mind"
She sounds very holy, but between the lines she's lying, and you believe it.
---Mark_V. on 5/22/13


The final delusion. In the past the manifestations of spiritualism were confined to the realm of the occult, but more recently spiritualism has taken on a "Christian" appearance so that it might deceive the Christian world. In professing to accept Christ and the Bible, spiritualism has become an extremely dangerous enemy to believers. Its effects are subtle and deceptive. Through the influence of spiritualism "the Bible is interpreted in a manner that is pleasing to the unrenewed heart
---francis on 5/21/13


1. The basis of spiritualism. Spiritualism originated with Satan's first lie to Eve"'You will not surely die'" (Gen. 3:4). His words were the first sermon on the immortality of the soul. Today, throughout the world, religions of all sorts unwittingly repeat this error. For many, the divine sentence that "the soul who sins shall die" (Eze. 18:20) has been reversed to say "the soul, even though it sins, shall live eternally."

This erroneous doctrine of natural immortality has led to belief in consciousness in death.
---francis on 5/21/13


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First Soul Sleep is a slang term for what the Seventh day Adventist teach. The actual doctrine is titled Conditionalism. We follow the Bible saying the Breath or Spirit return to GOD and the dead do not think until the Resurrection.

Act 13:36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:

Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

1Cr 15:42 So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption:
Phl 3:11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/21/13


---Mark_V. on 5/21/13

when you are speaking about someone, you need a direct quote, in context

I cannot stress that too often to you, you just sound like a windbag when you post without a direct quote

REMEMBER THIS:
Mark_V. if you intend to be a critic one way or the other of books, in order to make any sense to those reading what you post, you MUST by all means, post a direct quote from the persosn whom you are being a critic, and then come out pro or con, and give your reasons.
---francis on 5/1/13
---francis on 5/21/13


Her. francis, E.G. White was a heretic, she got hit in the head, was in a coma, and her visions are the one's you are following. She claims that an angel,( I suppose it was the archangel Michael Jesus) and was carried from the earth to the Holy City, and in that city she saw a temple which she said she entered, through the veil.
While we are told by Apostle John in the Scriptures in Revelation 21:22:
"I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple" He mentions there is no temple, E.G. White says there is. John must be lying in the Word of God. Did White really have this spiritual vision? It must have been by another spirit, not the Spirit of God.
---Mark_V. on 5/21/13


i got this from adventist web and blog spots. call it what you want, but i do not see the significance of it.
---aka on 5/19/13
Post it please

It does not say " soul sleep"
---francis on 5/20/13


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---aka on 5/19/13
SDA do not teach soul sleep.

i got this from adventist web and blog spots. call it what you want, but i do not see the significance of it.
---aka on 5/19/13


H. francis, do you not pay attention to what you write down? Here you say,
"At death the living person ( Soul) no longer exist," If he is asleep and he is the soul, then the soul is asleep. Soul sleep. Because then you said,
" and death is as a sleep because eventually all will be awaken from sleep / death"
If your soul does not exist, does God give you another soul to wake you up? because the first soul does not exist anymore.
I told you that the word soul has several meanings, wrote them down for you. Soul also means spirit. If the spirit of those born of the Spirit do not exist, then they are separated from God again. What kind of nonesense is that?
---Mark_V. on 5/20/13


--aka on 5/19/13
1 Kings 2:10 David slept with his fathers,

Let's examine it further

Acts 2:29 David, is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day...For David is not ascended into the heavens:

Psalms 146:3 ..His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, in that very day his thoughts perish.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished

So David is dead, he has no brain function (what is falsely considered the soul)

But the bible says death is as a sleep, so one day David will be awakened from sleep
---francis on 5/19/13


---aka on 5/19/13
SDA do not teach soul sleep.

Those who misunderstand what a soul is ( a living person) use this term erroneously. They believe that the soul, which they claim to be something inside you, or your conscience, is asleep. This is not SDA teaching nor bible teaching

SDA believe exactly as the bible teaches
1 Kings 2:10 David slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David.

Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,

1 Thess 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep,

At death the living person ( Soul) no longer exist, and death is as a sleep because eventually all will be awaken from sleep / death
---francis on 5/19/13


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francis, i kept quiet for almost a week, and i still have yet to figure out the great significance of this.

but, one thing i did notice is that you said, "because the soul ceases to exist at death." and you also believe in soul sleep. if the soul does not exist anymore than how can it sleep?
---aka on 5/19/13


Genesis 2:7 the LORD God formed man of the DUST of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the BREATH OF LIFE, and man BECAME a living soul.

God made a man out of dust ADDED his spirit AND man BECAME ( not was given) a living soul

So clearly the soul and the spirit are not the same, the soul is a product of the spirit and the body

That is why the bible says the body without the spirit is dead, and that at death the dust goes back to earth and the spirit goes back to heaven. At death the soul is not mentioned, because the soul ceases to exist at death

If I take some nail, and some wood and make a box would you say that the nail is the box?
when I remove the nails, and lay the wood side by side is it still a box?
---francis on 5/19/13


Genesis 2:7 the LORD God formed man of the DUST of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the BREATH OF LIFE, and man BECAME a living soul.

God made a man out of dust ADDED his spirit AND man BECAME ( not was given) a living soul

So clearly the soul and the spirit are not the same, the soul is a product of the spirit and the body

That is why the bible says the body with the spirit is dead, and that at death the dust goes back to earth and the spirit goes back to heaven. At death the soul is not mentioned, because the soul ceases to exist at death

If I take some nail, and some wood and make a box would you say that the nail is the box?
when I remove the nails, and lay the wood side by side is it still a box?
---francis on 5/19/13


Heretic Jerry, why should I be mad at two heretics who teach Jesus is Michael the archangel? You, as francis have the wrong Jesus.
The soul and the spirit are one in the same. Look up the word Spirit (Pneuma) to breath, blow, primarily denotes the wind. Breath, the spirit which is like the wind is invisible, immaterial, and powerful. It is the element in man which gives him the ability to think of God.
Now look at soul (psuche-Nephesh) this noun arises from Naphash. Refers to, a breathing creature (man or animal) breath, resperation, life, soul, "spirit," and mind. A living being. Soul can also mean a person. As in Genesis (2:7),
"And man became a living creature- being, soul"
---Mark_V. on 5/19/13


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Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

the bible only speaks about two parts of man
Body of dust, and breath ( spirit)of God

When these two are together we have a living soul, or living being

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

When these two are apart we have death
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead,

The soul refers to the living person, or the thoughts and intents of the heart. Hebrews 4:12
---francis on 5/19/13


Markie: I should have known that it is useless to talk to you. You have now added a third qualification to your resume' . Liar, Slanderer, and now - Plagiarist.

Wow, what an impressive list of accomplishments! I would have expected more from a "chosen" calvinist like you.


---jerry6593 on 5/19/13


Jerry, the breath of life was the spirit of God and man's soul. "For as the body without the spirit is dead, .
---Mark_V. on 5/2/13
jerry, I don't agree with you. It is not a life force as you say. It is the Spirit of life. Who gives life? Jesus Christ. It is not a force, but God Himself who lives in you.
---Mark_V. on 5/9/13
MarkV: See! You agree with me. It is not "souls" that God puts in people, but HIS holy spirit.
---jerry6593 on 5/10/13

Aka, you are correct. francis argued on another blog that man did not have a spirit,
---Mark_V. on 5/12/13

Jerry,.. you believe there is no spirit in you.
---Mark_V. on 5/18/13
Mark_V are you on any psychological medication?

If not you should be
---francis on 5/18/13


Jerry, I wanted to help you, and it is not good enough for you. Of course it is not good enough. Why? Because you are also a heretic. And you cannot understand spiritual matters, why? because you believe there is no spirit in you. You know why? because you do not realize you are spiritually dead. You need to be snap by the Holy Spirit and bring you alive to Christ.
Right now you don't understand. Why? Because you are still under the written letter of the Law. When Jesus say, that you have to be born of the Spirit, you have no clue what Jesus is talking about like Nicodemus, he was spiritually dead also.
---Mark_V. on 5/18/13


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Markie: "let me help you"

It appears that you copied someone else's doubletalk on the subject, since the writing style and, spelling and grammar are not consistent with your previous posts.

This person makes the FALSE claim that scripture teaches the concept of a separable, self-existent soul, but remarkably leaves out any scriptural reference to substantiate the claim.

Let ME help YOU! Why do you worship dead spooks?



---jerry6593 on 5/17/13


Jerry, let me help you.
Each human being in this world consist of a material body animated by an immaterial personal self. Scripture calls this self a "soul" or "spirit." "Soul" emphasizes the distinctness of a person's conscious selfhood, "spirit" on the other hand carries the nuances of the self's derivation from God, dependence on Him, and distinctness from the body as such.
Biblical usage leads us to say that we have and are both souls and spirits, because it is a mistake to think that soul and spirit are two different things, a "trichotomous."
The common idea is that the soul is an organ of this worldly awareness only, while the spirit is a distinct organ of communion with God.
---Mark_V. on 5/16/13


Markie: "Man is created body soul and spirit. He argues against himself."

It is YOU who argues against himself! You quote the scripture that shows man to be composed of three entities, and yet you argue that two of the entities are the same - soul and spirit. That leaves only two entities, which contradicts the scriptures. See how confused one can become when he accepts pagan immortal spook beliefs?

The Bible clearly shows that man IS a "soul" composed of a body and God's breath of life. He is not a spook trapped in a fleshy prison and freed at death. Why are you so enamoured with the worship of the dead?



---jerry6593 on 5/16/13


Jesus in His humanity was just like every human being with the exception of no sin nature. According to Scripture He possessed a human rational soul and spirit. According to Matt. 26:38) Christ said to His disciples,
"My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death" This could hardly be attributed to His divine nature and therefore is a reference to the fact that He possessed a human soul.
Another statement is given in John 13:21) in regard to His human spirit where it is recorded:
"When Jesus had thus said, He was troubled in the spirit" Jesus as the Son of God possessed a human body, so it is necessary to view Him as having a complete human nature including body, soul and spirit.
---Mark_V on 5/15/13


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---aka on 5/13/
Genesis 1:2 And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

1 Samuel 11:6 And the Spirit of God came upon Saul when he heard those tidings, and his anger was kindled greatly.

The spirit of God promts us to action or inaction as God wills

ELISHA: 2 Kings 2:9 I pray thee, let a double portion of thy spirit be upon me.

JOHN THE BAPTIST Luke 1:17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias

Luke 1:67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

JESUS: John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

Can by quantified
---francis on 5/13/13


francis, is god's spirit animate or inanimate?
---aka on 5/13/13


are you saying the spirit has no identity?
---aka on 5/11/13

I am not sure what you are asking me here to be honest. So I am not sure if my answer addresses your question, but here goes

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Job 27:3 All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils,

The spirit is the spirit of God, this is part of what makes man in the image of God.
---francis on 5/12/13


Aka, you are correct. francis argued on another blog that man did not have a spirit, he said everybody was confused.
Here he gives two passages that speak against what he says. First he gives Gen. 2:7 to argue God made man a living soul. Then gives the passage in James 2:26 that says "the body without the spirit is dead". Which is what I told him. Man is created body soul and spirit. He argues against himself. He knew all the time that Scripture does not contradict, and that man is body, soul and spirit.
I also told him that Jesus Christ in His humanity was just like us in every way, He had a body, soul and a spirit.
---Mark_V. on 5/12/13


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MarkV: "Jerry, man was created with a body, soul and a spirit."

That's not what the Bible says:

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

"I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ"

I thought that you believed that you can exist separately from your body as a spook. How can the bodies of all the dead of past ages last until the coming of Jesus?



---jerry6593 on 5/12/13


i agree with you francis. the soul is the composition of matter and God's "breath" of life. what is your point?

the only problem that i can see is that most amalgamate the words soul and spirit.

are you saying the spirit has no identity? i really don't see the issue.
---aka on 5/11/13


man was created with a body, soul and a spirit.
---Mark_V. on 5/11/13
Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

God formed man from dust, breath into his nostril, the result was a living soul

James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead,
---francis on 5/11/13


Jerry, man was created with a body, soul and a spirit. Man is triune like God. In spite of the erroneous teachings of Jehovah Witnesses and other false sects that 'no man has a soul, the Bible states emphatically that man was created a trinity of spirit, soul and body.
"I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Thess. 5:23). Jesus also had a body, a soul and a spirit in His humanity.
"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow (body) and is a discerner of the toughts and intents of the heart" (Heb. 4:12).
---Mark_V. on 5/11/13


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Samuelbb7* The Bible speaks of the Resurrection of the dead but not of consious, noncoporal being floating anywhere.

but they have to be somewhere:

"there appeared to them Moses and Eli'jah: (Mt 19: 1-4)

"The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life."( Mt 27:52)

Question:

Where did the bodies go when all the commotion was over? Did they get all round up and put back in the grave?

Ruben

While the bible does not say it exactly. Most think that they were the gifts JESUS took to heaven with him to heaven where Moses and Elisha were at before they came down to talk to JESUS.

Also the dead do not have to be anywhere they are dead.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/10/13


MarkV: See! You agree with me. It is not "souls" that God puts in people, but HIS holy spirit.



---jerry6593 on 5/10/13


Samuelbb7* The Bible speaks of the Resurrection of the dead but not of consious beings noncoporal being floating anywhere.

but have to be somewhere:

"there appeared to them Moses and Eli'jah: (Mt 19: 1-4)

"The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life."( Mt 27:52)

Question:

Where did the bodies go when all the commotion was over? Did they get all round up and put back in the grave?

"And I will appoint my two witnesses" (Rev 11:3)

Samuelbb7* Mat 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,

" they will be like the angels in heaven." v 30
---Ruben on 5/9/13


The Bible speaks of the Resurrection of the dead but not of consious beings noncoporal being floating anywhere.

Mat 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,


Mat 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Study the Resurrection verses of the Bible.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/9/13


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Jerry, I don't agree with you. It is not a life force as you say. It is the Spirit of life. Who gives life? Jesus Christ. It is not a force, but God Himself who lives in you. If He does at all. When the spirit of man is dead, he is spiritually dead. The body without the spirit is dead James 2:26. All descendants of Adam are dead. They think they have free will, but in reality they are dead and don't even realize it. You don't even realize it because you do not believe in the Spirit, you know why? because you are dead.
---Mark_V. on 5/9/13


MarkV: Strange, but only you can agree with me while arguing against me. It must be your double-minded nature.



---jerry6593 on 5/9/13


True the Body needs the Spirit to be alive. Also true that sometimes people overstate their case.

Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

All Spirits return to GOD at death. Study the Resurrection verses in the New Testament.

Jhn 5:29 And shall come forth, they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life, and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Jhn 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
Jhn 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
---Samuelbb7 on 5/9/13


Jerry, here is what you said,

"In all cases throughout the Bible, the "breath of life" is a life force blonging to God"

A life force, you say. You like francis know nothing about the Spirit. It is not a life force, it is the Spirit of life. You say a life force like all the Word of Faith teachers. Because you do not believe the body has a spirit. You say, how can that be? Did you not read, "the body without the spirit is dead" James 2:26. In order for the body to have life, it needs the spirit.
---Mark_V. on 5/8/13


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Josef: You are absolutely correct. In all cases throughout the Bible, the "breath of life" is a life force blonging to God and loaned to man while he lives. I is not, as the pagan Greeks taught, a self-existing, immortal, spiritual entity temporarily trapped wtihin a physical body.


---jerry6593 on 5/6/13


if you are breathing, you have the breath of life..however, spiritually dead until we are born of the Spirit.
---shira4368 on 5/3/13


Just exactly what was "the breath of life" that God infused into the "dust of the earth" to create man?
---jerry6593 on 4/30/13

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

Job 27:3 All the while my breath [is] in me, and the spirit of God [is] in my nostrils,


Genesis 7:22 All in whose nostrils [was] the breath of life, of all that [was] in the dry [land], died.
---francis on 5/3/13


"Just exactly what was "the breath of life" that God infused into the "dust of the earth" to create man?" The life giving essence of His being.
Literally His "spirit of Life," or that which fills mans "with an animating, quickening, or exalting influence".
As it is written "The Spirit of God has made me, And the breath of the Almighty gives me life." Job 33:4
---Josef on 5/2/13


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Jerry, the breath of life was the spirit of God and man's soul.
"For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also" (James 2:26). Without the life of God that body would not be able to do anything. When Adam fell, he became separated from God spiritually, and death came to him, spiritual death. All descendants of Adam are spiritually dead. Also as soon as a person is born he begans to die physically both deaths because of sin. When a fallen person is brought to life by the Spirit he receives the spirit of life who is God. Scripture speaks of three types of deaths, Spiritual death, physical death, and eternal death.
---Mark_V. on 5/2/13


Our soul. Adam became a living soul when the breath of life was breathed into him.
---womandisciple on 4/30/13


"The secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law." Deuteronomy 29:29
---christan on 4/30/13


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