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It is claimed that the Roman Catholic Pope is a "Bishop". If so, why is he not allowed to marry? I TIMOTHY 3:2. Even the Apostle Peter, the "first Pope", Petrus Romanus Primitus, had a wife, MATTHEW 8:14! Where in the Bible does it forbid a Bishop to marry?

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Grandma, That's how Nikki and the RCC are committing Idolatry. The "veneration" of a false image or version of Mary that is NOT Biblical. The RCC is actually all about the elevation of other men and women. It is not at all about elevating GOD and HIM alone! Oh, they deny this. But, Satan is the one who incites men to idolize other men (rock stars, sports players, etc.) to put them on pedestals to be ADORED by all. The corrupt hearts of men want to idolize other men and women to scratch their itch of "ye shall be as gods", GENESIS 3:5. That's exactly what RCC does with Mary and Peter. Only it's cloaked in a religion of "worshipping GOD". The RCC accepts and believes many LIES and distortions of GOD's Word.
---Gordon on 5/8/13


\\Nikki: Where in the Bible does it say that Mary was sinless, and had to be?\\

Grandma, where does the Bible say that it is the last word, much less only word. on such subjects?

Give book, chapter, and verse, please.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/8/13


Nikki: Where in the Bible does it say that Mary was sinless, and had to be? Jesus was perfect and sinless because He was God Incarnate, not because Mary was sinless, because she was NOT sinless. Scripture says that nobody is sinless, except Jesus. He could not sin because He is God. To attribute His sinlessness to Mary is to detract from the fact that He is God.
---Grandma on 5/7/13


Nikki: I saw you referring to ccc in several of your posts. What does that mean?

You have already admitted that you follow the Catholic church's teachings, and have admitted that you don't believe the Bible is the ONLY, final authority when it comes to your relationship to God. Where are those teachings written? If it's not in a Catechism, where is it written?

Everything I have said about the Catholic church, I was taught in Catechism. Everything I have said about Mary, Jesus and the Holy Spirit, I have learned from God's Word.

BTW, I don't have time for romance novels. I prefer nonfiction.
---Grandma on 5/7/13


nikki, you plainly ask me if I was justified in what I said about the bible being our final authority. I told you I was justified thru Jesus Christ and the bible is the final authority. nikki,---shira4368 on 5/7/13

You said:

cluny the bible (God's) word is for instruction. whether you believe it or not, it is our final authority.---shira4368 on 5/6/13

I asked you this question.

How can the created thing be the final authority?

How can you state something and refuse to back up your statement?
Why?
1 Peter 3:15
Always be ready to give an explanation to anyone who asks you for a reason for your hope.
---Nikki on 5/7/13




Even if Mary was sinless as you claim, why would that mean she had to remain a virgin after she Jesus?---Je

Mary's virginity helps the rest of us in believing Jesus is God and not a creatures.
Besides that, doesn't it seems odd that when the Israel carried the Ark of the covenant they had to be careful. The Ark had the manna, 10 commandments and Arron's staff. Anyone who wasn't a Priest wasn't allow to touch the Ark because it was holy.

Don't you think Joseph had this knowledge in the back of his head. Now he is seeing the TRUE ARK OF THE COVENANT.
Mary is the new Ark.
Joseph must likely wouldn't want to enter her womb. Her womb is holier than the Ark.

I believe it was Joseph who didn't want relations with Mary.
---Nikki on 5/8/13


"Edward O'Connor, compiling a massive defense of the belief (immaculate Conception)... acknowledging that the idea was not even a tradition of the early church, coming ... about only 1100AD.

According to O'Connor, the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception was "handicapped by the lack of any clear Scriptural evidence (or, even...any explicit patristic tradition) in its favor, but it even seemed to go counter to the clear teaching of St. Paul...and Christ's own declaration..."

What is more, many of the greatest fathers of the church and its "doctors," explicitly rejected the idea.... was explicitly rejected by theologians of the highest rank?"
History of Mary born without sin. Immaculate Conception.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/8/13


Nikki why do you tell a lie. The church had a Bible for the 400 years between the death and resurrection of JESUS and the officaila recognition of the New Testament. The New Testament was already written by the Apostles plus the church had the Authority it was always quoting what we call the Old Testament. Plust the RCC did not even exit then. The Church Bishops included all of the Church before the Great Schism when the RCC tried to take power to itself on it's own authority. You say traditions from hundreds of years latter are above the writings of the Apostles. On what do you base this?
---Samuelbb7 on 5/8/13


nikki, you plainly ask me if I was justified in what I said about the bible being our final authority. I told you I was justified thru Jesus Christ and the bible is the final authority. nikki, it does not bother me what you say or the faith you believe. you have free will to do worship anyone you want to worship.
---shira4368 on 5/7/13


Nikki, one thing I still don't understand. Even if Mary was sinless as you claim, why would that mean she had to remain a virgin after she had Jesus? Marital relations is not a sin and it is not impure. Actually NOT having relations with your spouse IS a sin.
---Jed on 5/7/13




Maybe if you stopped studying the catechism, and started studying Scripture, you'd understeand.--Grandma

Maybe you need to stop reading ROMANCE NOVELS and read Scripture.

I have never studied the Catechism.

As for the Holy Spirit, Jesus was speaking about reminding them of what He told them and such.

So are you saying everyone before Jesus is in HELL?
Their fault for being born too early?

Jesus was wrong when HE TOLD the Good Thief on the Cross he was going to be in Heaven?
Be the way, do you know why he is called the good thief?
BECAUSE HE STOLE HEAVEN.
He was Saved on the Cross by Jesus.

What?
You don't read romance novels?
I believe you do.

Doesn't feel good does it?
---Nikki on 5/7/13


\\No original sin contracted on His soul from Mary.\\
---Nikki on 5/7/13

Our FLESH comes form our parents, and our SPIRIT comes form God (Isaiah 42:5, Eccl 12:7, Zech 12:1)

Original Sin and Immaculate Conception are fables based on the Traducianism hoax

NO sin can be "contracted" onto a soul from another person - The soul that sinneth shall die (Ez 18:14-20)

that which was conceived (flesh) is altogether born in sin (Psalm 51:5)

the unformed substance (spirit) is fearfully and wonderfully made (Psalm 139:13-16)

Spiritual death comes from OUR disobedience, NOT Adam's (Deut 30:15-20, Rom 1:18-25, Rom 7:7-11)
---James_L on 5/7/13


\\Yes, my admonishments and the truth I speak are blessings to you because they may some day lead you to turn from your satanic religion and become saved.
---Jed on 5/7/13\\

Except that nothing you are saying IS true, Jed.

You're not even accurate, such as your association of Joseph Smith with the JWs.

**And some have gone to the extreme too of making Mary's mother sinless, in order to make Mary sinless. **

There are a lot of people who either ill-intentioned, don't know what they are talking about, or both who confuse "virgin birth" with "immaculate conception."

They are NOT the same things. I'll let Nikki explain the difference.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/7/13


her virginity was a sign of that holiness and purity needed to be clean before GOD to carry Him.--Gordon

I never heard of that one. Where do you all get this nonsense?

Tell me Gordon, WHO SAID WHAT YOU WROTE? WHO?

Let me correct you again so you can stop your confusion.

Mary had to be free of sin to give Jesus a BODY worthy of sacrifice to God the Father for you and I. Understand?

Immaculate Conception, Not Virginal conception.

Mary was Saved at her conception. Jesus is already sinless, and no need to be saved. No original sin contracted on His soul from Mary.

Her virginity is to prove Jesus is God and not just another created being.
Can you Please talk about what you do know.
---Nikki on 5/7/13


Nikki, the Holy Spirit did NOT come into Mary until AFTER Jesus ascended to heaven. He talked about how the apostles did not need the Holy Spirit until He was not with them.

The Holy Spirit enters believers at the moment of salvation. HE stays within us, guiding, teaching, helping us comprehend Scripture, comforting, etc. He does not leave.

Maybe if you stopped studying the catechism, and started studying Scripture, you'd understeand.
---Grandma on 5/7/13


Love one another as I have loved you. If I have not love it profits me nothing.
---Love.wins on 5/7/13


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nikki, I don't need to justify myself. I am justified thru Christ. the bible is our final authority. do you think there is a future bible that God will inspire men to write?---shira4368 on 5/6/13

No one is asking you to justify anything. It is YOU ALL who make up lies about the Catholic Church.
You are not making any sense.
If the Bible is the be the FINAL Authority, why did Jesus allow NO AUTHORITY FOR 400 YEARS????.

Jesus isn't foolish. He left A FINAL AUTHORITY before His DEATH: THE CHURCH.

JED, it seems as you and the rest of you all who claim the Bible is the FINAL AUTHORITY can't even agree on WHAT THE BIBLE IS SAYING.
And you want me to follow you all?
AGREE among yourselves first. GET TOGETHER
---Nikki on 5/7/13


Another blessing, Jed.

Thank you!
---Cluny on 5/7/13


Yes, my admonishments and the truth I speak are blessings to you because they may some day lead you to turn from your satanic religion and become saved.
---Jed on 5/7/13


You are no different than the Jehovah's Witness. You're pope and priests are their Joseph Smith.\\

WRONG AGAIN!!!!

The JW's Joseph Smith is NOT Joseph Smith, but Charles Taze Russell.

If you're going to hurl such reproaches at me, at least get your facts straight about which one you are going to use.

OK, Jed?

**I suspect that Joseph and Mary did not have children together 'til after Yahushua's Bar-Mitzvah of age 12.**

You, too, are wrong, Gordon.

A Jewish male becomes Bar Mitzvah at 13 years and one day, NOT at age 12.

Please get YOUR facts straight, as well.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/7/13


\\ no different than the Jehovah's Witness.
---Jed on 5/7/13
\\

Another blessing, Jed.

Thank you!

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/7/13


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Jed, AMEN! Not to beat a dead-horse, but it still boggles the mind how the RCC twists MATTHEW 1:18 and 1:25. GOD only ordained Mary to maintain her virginity 'til after the Messiah was born. And she did not have to be without an original sin-nature to carry Him around in her womb. For, her virginity was a sign of that holiness and purity needed to be clean before GOD to carry Him. Her virginity was only until after she gave Birth to Yahushua. I suspect that Joseph and Mary did not have children together 'til after Yahushua's Bar-Mitzvah of age 12. They may've needed all their parenting skills to focus on raising Yahushua, by GOD's Spirit. Then, after His entrance into "Adulthood", they might've then added to their "quiver".
---Gordon on 5/7/13


And some have gone to the extreme too of making Mary's mother sinless, in order to make Mary sinless.

Again pagan god's you really worship, and not the Christ of scripture.
---kathr4453 on 5/7/13

Do you see how you make up stuffs.
WHO SAID MARY'S MOTHER WAS SINLESS?
NO ONE!!!!

Mary's mother Ann was not sinless.
When Ann and Mary's father came together and the moment the sperm enter the egg to conceive Mary is when the Holy Spirit SAVED Mary.

The Holy Spirit comes to us at all times. Are you saying He comes once and that's all?
---Nikki on 5/7/13


Cluny, Nikki, and StrongAxe, and others who deny the final and absolute authority of the Bible: These claims are dangerous because that just opens up any nut case to make up whatever they want as they go along. It's no surprise that you support this view since that is exactly what the Catholic Church does. You are no different than the Jehovah's Witness. You're pope and priests are their Joseph Smith. You elevate them as some sort of super human prophet and hold their teachings as equal to God's Word regardless of their contradiction to God's real Word, the Bible. You just make up your own doctrines which are found nowhere in scriptures. You are no different than the Jehovah's Witness.
---Jed on 5/7/13


\\nikki, I don't need to justify myself. I am justified thru Christ. the bible is our final authority. do you think there is a future bible that God will inspire men to write? \\

After all, Nikki, Jesus did say, "I have many things to tell you that you cannot bear now, but I will help you write a book that will lead you into all truth," did He not?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/7/13


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pray

1. to offer devout petition, praise, thanks, etc., to (God or an object of
worship).

worship

1.reverent honor and homage paid to God or a sacred personage, or to any object regarded as sacred.
2.formal or ceremonious rendering of such honor and homage: They attended worship this morning.
3. adoring reverence or regard: excessive worship of business success.
4. the object of adoring reverence or regard.
---Grandma on 5/7/13


nikki, I don't need to justify myself. I am justified thru Christ. the bible is our final authority. do you think there is a future bible that God will inspire men to write? Christ has already died for our sin and I don't think there is another jesus, neither is there another spirit and there is only one God.
---shira4368 on 5/6/13


For those who understand "pray" to mean "worship" you should consider the phrase "pray tell" as in:

"pray tell, what are you up to?"

It means I ASK YOU TO TELL ME, what are you up to?

Pray simply means to ask, or request. It DOES NOT mean to worship

I'm not saying that I pray to saints. But it does no one any good to misrepresent someone's position, and accuse them of something they've continually rejected


The great accuser would have us shredding each other with false allegations, to the glory of him
---James_L on 5/6/13


\\Perfect in NO ORIGINAL SIN.\\
---Nikki on 5/6/13


there is no such thing as "original sin" meaning guilt by association

That is based on an erroneous reading of Romans 5:12 by the likes of Irenaeus and Tertullian, in their great zeal against Gnosticism. They abandoned the scriptural distinction betweeen the spirit and the flesh

Maybe they felt justified, considering that Gnosticism held a "similar" distinction

But abandoning the distinction spawned:
Traducianism
Original sin

and those caused GREAT difficulty concerning Christ, and thus the need for fictitious doctrines like:
Immaculate conception
Perpetual virginity
Hypostatic union

all because of one error
---James_L on 5/6/13


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Jed and shira4368:

Cluny never said that he doesn't accept the Bible as God's Word for instruction. He has never rejected it. What he DID challenge was the notion that the Bible is God's FINAL authority. The Bible itself never claims this. if true, please cite chapter and verse where it says so.

Also, note that the problem with the Bible being the final authority is this - how do you know just WHAT the Bible contains? The Bible has no table of contents. Our idea of what books are in the Bible (and what ones aren't) is Church tradition - which, since it determines what the Bible is, must necessarily have greater authority than the Bible itself, in the same way our Constitution has greater authority than the laws it enables.
---StrongAxe on 5/7/13


Nikki, what you fail to realize is that on the Day of Pentecost, Mary was also in the upper room and received the Holy Spirit THEN, just like all the others in that room. SINNERS saved by THAT GRACE alone. The Grace Mary was full of was referring to Jesus...Moses came by the Law, and Jesus by Grace. Read John again... It doesn't mean that that Grace He came by was Mary.

When the spirit of GRACE was on Jesus, it wasn't Mary's spirit.

Mary being full of Grace did not make her sinless, nor did conception make her automatically sinless.

And some have gone to the extreme too of making Mary's mother sinless, in order to make Mary sinless.

Again pagan god's you really worship, and not the Christ of scripture.
---kathr4453 on 5/7/13


\\Wow Cluny! Your blasphemy knows no bounds. I pitty you. For you have been shown God's Word and have known, yet you have rejected it. I truly hope you get saved someday.
---Jed on 5/6/13


cluny the bible (God's) word is for instruction. whether you believe it or not, it is our final authority.
---shira4368 on 5/6/13\\

In other words, Jed and shira, NEITHER of you can answer my question.

This is not the first time I've noticed this, BTW.

May I ask what the first generation of the Church ever did while the Bible was still being written?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/6/13


so now you think you can communicate with the dead? Wow! Catholicism is witchcraft also!
---Jed on 5/6/13

Do you see how nasty you are?
As I said in the past, those who CAN'T DEBATE call names and insult.

Read your Bible and get a clue.

Mark 12:26-27
"As for the dead being raised, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the passage about the bush, how God told him, 'I am the God of Abraham, God of Issac, and the God of Jacob'?He is NOT God of the DEAD but of the living. You are greatly misled."

Jesus said it, not me.
---Nikki on 5/6/13


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When did I make up a lie about the Catholic Church? Never.---Grandma

Never has a date:
Nikki: Praying to saints is worshiping them, which is making them idols. Also, Scripture says there is only ONE intercessor between God and man, The Lord Jesus.--Grandma on 5/6/13

The RCC never disagreed

//Pray, tell me what "pray" means in this phrase? "pray proceed."?

Is this an archaic form of "please proceed"? I have never heard in in speech but sometimes it appears in novels. My version of "The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes" is full of it, apparently in place of "please".//--English Language and Usage

I said it is used in old English, not today's English.
---Nikki on 5/6/13


cluny the bible (God's) word is for instruction. whether you believe it or not, it is our final authority.---shira4368 on 5/6/13

How can the created thing be the final authority? That doesn't make any sense.

Think logically, No Jew thought the Torah was the final authority.
No, they had debates and discussion on the Torah.

NOT EVEN JESUS CLAIMED THE TORAH WAS THE FINAL AUTHORITY!
Guess who Jesus believe had the final authority? Scribes and Pharisees.

Matthew 23:3
"Therefore, do and observe all things whatsoever THEY tell you."

Note He didn't say whatsoever the written Scriptures tells you.

You all are using the Bible as the final authority as an excuse to justify yourselves.
---Nikki on 5/6/13


No Grandma, praying is a FORM of communication.
---Nikki on 5/6/13


So now you think you can communicate with the dead? Wow! Catholicism is witchcraft also!
---Jed on 5/6/13


Nikki: Now you are making up lies about what I do in my Spiritual life? When did I make up a lie about the Catholic Church? Never. You don't know what you are talking about.

You have been Spiritually blinded by the Roman Catholic teachings. I understand. I went to Catholic school, and thankfully, I confessed I was a sinner and accepted Christ's death, burial and resurrection as the only way I could have a personal relationship with God. The Holy Spirit came into me, opened my eyes, and I was able to see all the lies I had been taught in the Catholic church. Now, I am a saint, along with all the other believers here on Christianet, and around the world.
---Grandma on 5/6/13


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James_L, not perfect in the since of not needing to eat or drink. That's spiritual beings. Angels don't have bodies. Jesus ate after He rose from the dead.

Perfect in NO ORIGINAL SIN.
God told the Israelite to bring perfect offerings to Him to Sacrifice. Animal or Food. No 3 legged sheep, dying sheep or molded flour offered up.

Leviticus 1:3
If his holocaust offering is from the herd, it must be a male without BLEMISH. To find FAVOR WITH THE LORD,...

Leviticus 2:1
When anyone wishes to bring a cereal offering to the Lord, his offering must consist of FINE FLOUR...

Jesus NEEDS a perfect body to offer up to God for OUR sins.
Why do you think Jesus took on flesh? To communicate with us? No to die for us.
---Nikki on 5/6/13


The Bible is not AN authority. It is THE FINAL authority. Your church has NO authority whatsoever to change what the Bible says or contradict the Bible in anyway...Any doctrine that is not based on Biblical scriptures is from Satan.---Jed

That's exactly who you remind me of when I started reading your blog.

Genesis 3:4
"You certainly will not die! No, God knows well that the moment you eat of it your eyes will be opened and you will be like gods who know what is good and what is bad."

There is a quote from satan according to the Fathers of the Church.
"No, I will NOT SERVE!"

Be careful going on your own thinking.

Also, who said the RCC contradicts the Bible?
Oh yes I forgot, you do.
---Nikki on 5/6/13


Jed: 'Any doctrine that is not based on Biblical scriptures is from Satan.'

So..... let's see Jed.....

Is math in the Bible..... I have not found it as a set of statements

So if I state that 'two and two is four' you will say that statement is 'from satan' - even though it is true

You are the first person to say that what is true comes from satan, Jed!!!!!
---Marcus on 5/6/13


"pray-
1.
to offer devout petition, praise, thanks, etc., to (God or an object of worship)."

worship [wur-ship] Show IPA noun, verb, worshiped, worshiping or ( especially British ) worshipped, worshipping.
noun
1.
reverent honor and homage paid to God or a sacred personage, or to any object regarded as sacred.
2.
formal or ceremonious rendering of such honor and homage: They attended worship this morning.
3.
adoring reverence or regard: excessive worship of business success.
4.
the object of adoring reverence or regard.
5.
( initial capital letter ) British . a title of honor used in addressing or mentioning certain magistrates and others of high rank or station
---Grandma on 5/6/13


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Jed, looking over the things you have said and accused, many of the things the RCC does are actually IN the Bible.

I'll give you two examples

Confession:

James 5:16: Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other

Excommunication:

John 20:23: if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven

Excommunication raises other questions with other verses, but that verse DOES REMAIN

So don't attack Nikki
---Peter9556 on 5/6/13


I never denied the authority of the Bible. I deny the Bible being the ONLY authority!
Get it straight.
---Nikki on 5/6/13


And that's where you are most wrong! The Bible is not AN authority. It is THE FINAL authority. Your church has NO authority whatsoever to change what the Bible says or contradict the Bible in anyway. That is why Catholicism is a false religion. Anyone that contradicts the Bible, subtracts from the Bible, or adds to the Bible is a false religion. Any doctrine that is not based on Biblical scriptures is from Satan.
---Jed on 5/6/13


The doctrine of Sola Scriptura is not to be found in scripture and did not begin to appear on the historical horizon until at least 1200 years after Christ's ascension into heaven.
---Love.wins on 5/6/13


\\prevent Mary from sinning to gave Jesus a perfect BODY to sacrifice.\\
---Nikki on 5/6/13

if Jesus had a "perfect" body, it would have never died.

The ONLY reason it was able to die is that it was JUST LIKE OURS, descended from Adam with all the effects of sin - hunger, pain, illness, and eventually death

Jesus was/is not a sinner - NOT becasue His flesh was "perfect" (though it is now), but because His SPIRIT is perfect
---James_L on 5/6/13


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I'm not asking you to agree with Catholic teaching. I'm only asking you not to misrepresent it.---Love.wins

Thank you, I couldn't have said it better.

Praying to saints is worshiping them..Paul refers to all believers in Christ as saints.---Grandma

No Grandma, praying is a FORM of communication. The old English language used it in their original speech. Watch PBS. They say "I pray you, listen to me".

Prayer is worship for YOU, because you all kick out the Holy Sacrifice of Jesus as HE order us to do ALWAYS.
Just because you are disobeying Him, you want us to follow you? No thank you.

As for Paul, I don't think so, he wouldn't call Alexander the coppersmith a saint. 2 Tim 4:15 He was a Believer.
---Nikki on 5/6/13


Jed, Mary was Saved at her conception. That's why the Angel greeted her by Title and not Name. (only person in the Bible greeted by title and not name from an Angel) Luke 1:28 "Hail, favored one!" or some has it translated as "Hail Full of Grace." The same.
God's Grace was enough to prevent Mary from sinning to gave Jesus a perfect BODY to sacrifice.

Just because you all don't know what TIME it is, doesn't mean God doesn't know. HE IS FOCUSED. Gen 3:15

Only Jesus can forgive sins, or refuse to forgive sins, so EXPLAIN John 20:23?

How you love misrepresent quotes. I never denied the authority of the Bible. I deny the Bible being the ONLY authority!
Get it straight.
---Nikki on 5/6/13


\\ince you deny the authority of the Bible and tell others to believe your church's explanation rather than what is plainly written in the Bible.
---Jed on 5/6/13\\

And where does the Bible set itself up as the last word, Jed?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/6/13


Wow Cluny! Your blasphemy knows no bounds. I pitty you. For you have been shown God's Word and have known, yet you have rejected it. I truly hope you get saved someday.
---Jed on 5/6/13


cluny the bible (God's) word is for instruction. whether you believe it or not, it is our final authority.
---shira4368 on 5/6/13


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\\ince you deny the authority of the Bible and tell others to believe your church's explanation rather than what is plainly written in the Bible.
---Jed on 5/6/13\\

And where does the Bible set itself up as the last word, Jed?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/6/13


Nikki: Praying to saints is worshipping them, which is making them idols. Also, Scripture says there is only ONE intercessor between God and man, The Lord Jesus. Finally, Paul refers to all believers in Christ as saints.
---Grandma on 5/6/13


AMEN!!

Prayer is worship.
---kathr4453 on 5/6/13


Jed, the RCC claims Mary is sinless ---Nikki on 5/6/13

Which is WRONG. Every human being who has ever lived was a sinner, with the exception of Messiah himself.

The Priest represent Jesus in Confession.

Which is WRONG. That the makes the priest our intercessor to Jesus, which is WRONG. Jesus is our intercessor to the Father.

Jesus does whatever He wishes, with your approval or not.

Now that is the only part you got right, but you seem to think it doesn't apply to you also. Since you deny the authority of the Bible and tell others to believe your church's explanation rather than what is plainly written in the Bible.
---Jed on 5/6/13


Nikki: Praying to saints is worshipping them, which is making them idols. Also, Scripture says there is only ONE intercessor between God and man, The Lord Jesus. Finally, Paul refers to all believers in Christ as saints.
---Grandma on 5/6/13


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I'm not asking you to agree with Catholic teaching. I'm only asking you not to misrepresent it.
---Love.wins on 5/6/13


you put something on the blogs here, be ready to defend your stand.--shira4368 on 5/5/13

No, You implied that we worship idols. That isn't our stand. We don't claim to worship idols, your accusations toward us:

we are not to worship idols but worship the Living God. some here are trying to enlighten you about what is biblical.--shira4368 on 5/4/13

That was a fake script. I was showing you how it feels when people accuse you of something you don't do. Can you defend stealing? Of course not, because you don't steal.

So how can I defend something I don't do?

I am saying let me defend my stance:
Purgatory,
Confession to the Priest Eucharist
Praying to Mary and the Saints NOT WORSHIPING THEM.
---Nikki on 5/6/13


Shira4368 Priests doesn't sprinkle holy water during confession.

Jed, the RCC claims Mary is sinless, but NOT deity. She a creature just like us.

The Priest represent Jesus in Confession. If I am not contrite for my sins, my sins are not forgiven. Confession is biblical. Jesus told the Disciples in John 20:23 Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins YOU RETAIN ARE RETAINED."
Jesus again giving His authority to the Disciples.

Matthew 19:28 "Amen I say to you that you who have followed me, in the new age, when the Son of Man is seated on His throne of glory, will yourselves sit on twelve thrones, JUDGING THE TWELVE TRIBES OF ISRAEL.

Jesus does whatever He wishes, with your approval or not.
---Nikki on 5/6/13



I know at least this much about confession - that if someone confesses without a sincere determination to amend his life and to stop sinning, then his confession is bad and has no effect, and he is not forgiven. That's what the Catholic Church teaches.
---Love.wins on 5/5/13


The Catholic church also teaches confession to a priest for intercession, instead of Jesus, which is WRONG. The Catholic church also teaches prayer/intercession through Mary, which is WRONG. The Catholic church also presents Mary as some sort of sinless, superhuman deity, which is WRONG.
---Jed on 5/5/13


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love wins, when I need forgiveness, I ask God in the name of Jesus Christ. that is how I pray and it is how I prayed when I was saved. that is what the bible teaches.
---shira4368 on 5/5/13


I know at least this much about confession - that if someone confesses without a sincere determination to amend his life and to stop sinning, then his confession is bad and has no effect, and he is not forgiven. That's what the Catholic Church teaches.
---Love.wins on 5/5/13


nikki, I know many catholics who steal then go to confession. I've seen catholics do worse than that. you think its ok to sin as long as you confess to the priest. the bible says Jesus Christ is our Intercessor, not some priest who sprinkles you with a drop of "holy" water. I don't think I will ever leave my church. I'm in the thing for the long haul.
---shira4368 on 5/5/13


nikki, you will never hear that conversation you had with yourself. I have no clue what you are talking about. if you went to a Baptist church that taught you and others to sin, it was not the Baptist churches that I know. maybe its a good thing you converted to catholcism if that is the kind of Baptist church you attended. all I said earlier is when you put something on the blogs here, be ready to defend your stand.
---shira4368 on 5/5/13


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Shira4368, I love debating. Catholics don't worship Mary. You keep telling us we do.
I will flip the script on you:


Nikki: Shira, your faith teaches you all to steal. Stealing is a sin against 7th commandment. You need to leave the Baptist Church, repent for stealing so you won't go to hell.

Shira:'I don't steal and my Baptist Church has never taught us to steal'.

Nikki: Well then you need to leave that Church because it teaches others to steal and that's wrong.

Shira: no it doesn't. Prove to me that my Church tell us to steal.

Nikki: I was a Baptist, I know many Baptist that have stolen. and they told me that the church told them it was okay to steal. So, you won't admit it, but you steal.
---Nikki on 5/5/13


As we have already seen, Catholic customs stem from ancient pagan practices and beliefs. Pagan priests were celibate, tonsured, and received the power of sacrificing for the living and the dead. The same power is given to Roman Catholic priests. Pagan celibate priests are dedicated to the mother goddess, and Catholic priests to Mary the mediatrix.


Do you remember seeing Pope John's funeral with a huge M on his casket?
---kathr4453 on 5/5/13


nikki, you fail to remember you are on a blog and every faith is up for debate. you are putting your beliefs here and it is open season for me and you if we respond to a blog. you honor mary and mary was a vessel used by God to carry His will to fruition. after that, she had other children. we are not to worship idols but worship the Living God. some here are trying to enlighten you about what is biblical. God bless
---shira4368 on 5/4/13


Jed: "I hope we never see you criticizing other denominations or religions practices!"

AMEN!

We SDA's know full well what it means to be bashed here on CN. That's the kind of thing that happens when they can't refute our Bible-based arguments.


---jerry6593 on 5/4/13


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The book of revelation doesn't say anything about whether popes should marry or not.
---Love.wins on 5/3/13


If you're not Roman Catholic, what difference does it make to you whether or not the pope is married?
---Love.wins on 5/2/13

Because some people like to be MESSY
---Nikki on 5/3/13


Are you serious? That's like saying "if your not a Jew, what difference does it make if the holocaust is happening?" What a fickle and selfish mentality! I hope we never see you criticizing other denominations or religions practices!
---Jed on 5/3/13


The Vatican can do all they want with regards to following the Scriptures, even legislating marriage of their popes, cardinals, bishops, archbishops and priests - it matters naught a jolt to the purpose and will of God that they are not Christians.

I can't imagine that marriages of these Nicolaitanes is going to change anything. Even unbelievers, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists marry, does that make them Christians? Legislating marriage in the Vatican isn't going to change the fact that they are pagans to the core.

You see, marriage is not a religious ordinance but a creation ordinance.
---christan on 5/3/13


If you're not Roman Catholic, what difference does it make to you whether or not the pope is married?
---Love.wins on 5/2/13

Because some people like to be MESSY
---Nikki on 5/3/13


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If you're not Roman Catholic, what difference does it make to you whether or not the pope is married?
---Love.wins on 5/2/13
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Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death, and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.


---jerry6593 on 5/3/13


If you're not Roman Catholic, what difference does it make to you whether or not the pope is married?
---Love.wins on 5/2/13


It's a conspiracy against cave men.
---willie_c: on 5/2/13


Thank you Francis,
I was going to use Matthew 19:12 as well.

Take note:
He that is able to receive [it], let him receive [it].
---francis on 4/30/13

If you can't receive this way of life, Jesus isn't speaking to you.
But, don't think because you can't accept not being married, it means THE SAME FOR OTHER MEN.

There are Popes in the last century who followed Jesus 100% as unmarried men. There lives were full. Full of Jesus.
---Nikki on 5/1/13


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Matthew 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from [their] mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive [it], let him receive [it].
---francis on 4/30/13


Cluny, Any difficulties that a Bishop would have in his marriage does not give an excuse for the Roman Mother's calling for celebate Bishops. For, all marriages worth their salt are full of difficulties. And, the LATIN word "Primitus"? Start Googling, Cluny, you'll learn something new!

Glory to Yahushua ha Mashiach!
---Gordon on 4/30/13


The Orthodox acknowledge that many bishops--not all-- were married in the first few centuries.

However, on a practical level today, the wives of clergymen will tell you privately that their husband's vocation puts a strain on their marriages and family life.

I've seen this tension lead to divorce, even among married Orthodox priests.

Even more so, a bishop's time is NOT his own. However, many Orthodox bishops are widowers.

Your attempt to be erudite has led you to write Latinate gibberish. There is no such Latin word as "primitus."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/30/13


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