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\\Our Worship is in the Mass and Adoration.\\

Don't forget the Divine Office, Nikki.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/18/13


francis:

You said: Rev 12:6 And the woman ( THE TRUE CHURCH)...

I noticed you inserted "the true church", as that isn't in the original.

What makes you think the woman mentioned is the true church? If so, who is the "man child" she gives birth to? It certainly can't be Jesus, because the Church didn't give birth to Jesus - it was the other way around!
---StrongAxe on 5/18/13


Also while the Rosary can teach good thing as a memory help. It should not include the pray to Mary to save us. Only JESUS saves.---Samuelbb7

Who would use the Rosary as a memory tool?
We are MEDIATING ON THE LIFE OF CHRIST.

THE word PRAYER IS USED FOR multiple uses.
I use the word as the way they use the word in the old movies.

Who are you to say want their purpose of usage, but ours (Catholics) is different?
Then you have the nerve to say it our prayer to saints means worship.
It means worship to you, NOT TO US.

Our Worship is in the Mass and Adoration.
Define your meaning of words. Not someone else's. You can't read our mind. Do what Jesus told you to do: DO JUDGE!
---Nikki on 5/18/13


\\Also while the Rosary can teach good thing as a memory help. It should not include the pray to Mary to save us.\\

Guess what? It doesn't.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/17/13


If anyone tried to trace thier denomination directly back to the apostles or ACts 2, then we know that they are telling a lie


Rev 12:6 And the woman ( THE TRUE CHURCH) fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

So for a period of time the true church was not visible

Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man [child].

Revelation 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
---francis on 5/17/13




Yes Nikki I know not only in the old movies but in many of the old books that I have read. I read a lot of History. But they did not mean their word pray to be that as the same as praying to GOD.

I say unto they pray excuse my ignorance. Is not the same as praying unto GOD our creator. But when a person prays unto a saint. They are replacing GOD with the Saint.

Also while the Rosary can teach good thing as a memory help. It should not include the pray to Mary to save us. Only JESUS saves.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/17/13


Luk 4:8 Jesus answered him, "It is written, 'YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD AND SERVE HIM ONLY.

Jhn 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.

Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him, for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

WE can and are supposed to worship GOD all the time.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/17/13


Samuelbb7, Go to PBS, and watch a old English movie. They say pray but not in the content of praying to God.

Do you think the Rosary is our only form of prayer? The rope repetitions is said as one mediates on the LIFE of Jesus.

If someone can't read. Just by praying the Rosary they know many stories of the Gospel.

There are private prayers.

Official prayer of the Church called the Divine Office.
And prayers said by Saints to God. God doesn't care if you recycle the prayer.

Worship in the RCC is in 2 forms:
Holy Mass and Adoration which is an extended Mass.
---Nikki on 5/16/13


RICHARDC. I see connection you set up with the word Blessed.

Luke 1:41-45 When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the infant leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth, filled with the Holy Spirit, cried out in a loud voice and said, "Most blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb. And how does this happen to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? For at the moment the sound of your greeting reached my ear. the infant in my womb leaped for joy. Blessed are you who believe that what was spoken to you by the Lord would be fulfilled."

Every Jewish girl hopes to be blessed to give birth to the Messiah. Since Mary is the lucky girl, Elizabeth filled with the Holy Spirit calls her blessed.
---Nikki on 5/16/13


Blessed art thou among women,

Romans 4:7 - Saying BLESSED are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and who sins are covered.

1 Corinthians - 15,22 - For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive, { Every human on that's live on this Earth is in the Blood line of Adam }

Romans -3:23 - For ALL have sinned, and come short of the Glory of God

Matthew 19:17 - And he said to him, Why call me Good ? there is None good but One,

---RICHARDC on 5/16/13




My problem with the Rosary is two fold.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/16/13

I have a problem with what is called The Assumption of Mary. Mary is regarded as "sinless" and that Jesus did not want her body to decay, therefore her body has already been resurrected and taken to heaven.

None of the claims are based on Scripture, but based upon books written 4-5 centuries after the fact, likely complete fiction.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/16/13


Gordon Wow:
Mary was a human incubator for the Holy Child, not a "mother of God" as RCC teaches!

Luk 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb, and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
Luk 1:42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
Luk 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

Mat_10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

The Holy Spirit called her, Blessed art thou among women!
You called her a human incubator.
Wow!
---TheSeg on 5/16/13


NIKKI, You have been told already that REVELATION 12 is not "Mary being crowned as queen of Heaven", as RCC teaches and as you proclaim on here. You have been informed this. REVELATION 12 does not mean, nor is it any kind of "proof" of "Mary's Coronation". The woman of REVELATION 12 is "Israel". And, even if Mary were a queen in Heaven, she would be A queen in Heaven, not ever "THE Queen OF Heaven"! The Blessed Holy Spirit is THE Queen of Heaven, if Anyone is! Mary is not divine, Nikki, so she cannot possibly be the Divine Son Yahushua's TRUE mother. Not in the truest sense! Mary was a human incubator for the Holy Child, not a "mother of God" as RCC teaches!
---Gordon on 5/16/13


My problem with the Rosary is two fold. One it is praying to Mary and while it has some good points. We should only pray to GOD.

Second it is a rote prayer and JESUS said we should not use vain repetitions. We need to talk to JESUS and Our Father not just saying the same words over and over again like a chant. Which by the way I like Gregorian chants they are lovely. But we need to talk and be honest with GOD.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/16/13


2. Sorrowful Mysteries: Agony in the Garden Matthew 26:36-46
The Scourging at the pillar John 19:1
Crown of Thorns Mark 15:16-20
The Way of the Cross Luke 26-31
Crucifixion and Death Luke 23:33-49

Luminous Mysteries:
Baptist of Jesus Mark 1:9-11
Wedding at Cana John 2:1-12
Announcing the Kingdom of God and Conversion of sinners Mark 1:15
Transfiguration of Jesus Mark 9:2-8
Last Supper Matthew 26:26-30

Glorious Mysteries
Resurrection Matthew 28:1-10
Ascension Luke 24:50-52,Acts 1:6-12
Descent of the Holy Spirit Acts 2:1-12
Assumption of the Virgin Mary into Heaven
(only one not directly in the Bible, but still connected)
In Elijah's case, 2 Kings 2:11
Coronation of Mary Revelation 12:1
---Nikki on 5/15/13


Her discernment is skewered. If she can't (or, won't) correct these falsehoods, then, I find her untrustworthy for this. ---Gordon on 5/15/13

In your eyes only.
You can't understand something, so you condemn the RCC.

The Jews never believed in the Trinity. They taught, and believed in ONE GOD ONLY.

Many Jews has confessed that the pluralism back to singular in Genesis 1:26-27 and chapter 18 is very strange.
Going back and forth to 3 and back to one again.
Or US than He.

But, they NEVER Judged it as being falsehoods.
They simply said "IT IS A MYSTERY and GOD CAN NEVER DECIVE."
---Nikki on 5/15/13


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Nikki, The things that I do accept about the RCC are some of her teachings and beliefs. The "Perpetual Virginity" of Mary, being a big one. The thing with the RCC, that gets me, is how she claims to be GOD's "true Mother church", etc., etc. and yet, she believes and teaches falsehoods. And, not everything she believes is false, and I never say that. But, some things she espouses ARE false. And, she continues to cling to them. Her discernment is skewered. If she can't (or, won't) correct these falsehoods, then, I find her untrustworthy for this.
---Gordon on 5/15/13


MarkV, I pray the rosary not read them.
But, yes I will be happy to give passages from the Bible.

There are 20 mysteries broken up into 4 sets.

The Joyful Mysteries, Sorrowful, Glorious and Luminous Mysteries which was added by Blessed Pope John Paul II in 2002.
Now only are rosaries are mediating on Jesus' Life and said on certain days if not all 20 said a day.
Joyful mysteries said on Mondays and Saturday,
Sorrowful on Tuesday and Fridays.
Glorious prayed on Wednesday and Sundays,
Luminous said on Thursday.

Joyful Mysteries:
Annunciation Luke 1:26-38
Visitation Luke 1:39-56
Nativity Luke 2:1-21
Presentation of Jesus in the Temple Luke 2:22-38
Finding the boy Jesus in the Temple Luke 2:41-52
---Nikki on 5/15/13


Nikki, can you guide us to the passages in the Bible that speak about the rosary and the mysteries of the rosary?
I suppose you have something as proof. You must have read the rosary millions of times, you should know why you do read it. I will be waiting for the passages from the Word of God.
---Mark_V. on 5/15/13


\\the Massacre of the Latins in 1182\\

An individual riot in one city (however heinous) is not the same thing as the Orthodox "going to war" against Roman Catholics, as you charged.

I will repeat my question: When did Orthodox go to war against Roman Catholics?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/14/13


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The schism started in 1053. "The Church split along doctrinal, theological, linguistic, political, and geographical lines, and the fundamental breach has never been healed, with each side sometimes accusing the other of having fallen into heresy and of having initiated the division. The Crusades, the Massacre of the Latins in 1182, the West's retaliation in the Sacking of Thessalonica in 1185, the capture and sack of Constantinople in 1204"

Both sides declared the others apostate and set anthemas against each other. This lead to actual blood shed on both sides. When one group says another is lost and then to believe it is okay to murder them that is war.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/14/13


Gordon, you might find it hard to believe certain things about the RCC because you have too much false ideas of the Catholic Church.

Their are levels of things the Church guides us.

All Catholics have to believe the Scriptures and all Dogmas of the Church. Notice I said CATHOLICS.

The Church doesn't willy nelly accept certain situations until She FIRST DOES A FULL investigation. It can take centuries. (The Assumption) Before it makes Her members to fully believe.
She doesn't stops the faithful for taking a interest or belief in a matter.
The Assumption is the 4th mystery in the Glorious Mystery of the Rosary. The Catholic didn't make it into a dogma until 1950.
---Nikki on 5/14/13


\\That doesn't mean Christ is still on the Cross.\\

Who said He was?

There's a Protestant hymn with these lines:

A Christless cross no refuge were for me.
A crossless Christ my saviour could not be.
But O Christ Crucified, I rest in Thee.

On Good Friday, the Orthodox Church sings, "We venerate Your Passion, O Christ. Show us also Your holy Resurrection."

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/14/13


Nikki, You say, in regards to the alleged bones of Peter under the Vatican, "RCC never states you have to believe any discoveries." Yet you, Nikki, get on here and teach us that those bones under the Vat ARE the "true bones of the Apostle Peter", as if it were a fact! So, you say from one side of your mouth that the bones under the Vat are, indeed, Peter's (and you've said this to me before!), and yet, on the other side of your mouth, you leave it all open to it not being a 100% certainty by saying that RCC doesn't tell people that they have to believe a given discovery. If it were a true discovery, they should implore people to believe! I didn't say "force one", but, "implore one" to believe!
---Gordon on 5/14/13


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Cluny, You say,
"St. Paul said he was determined to know nothing but Christ crucified, and so preach Him." then ask "Did that mean that he did not believe in His Resurrection?"
In the context the first time Paul spoke to the Corinthians he did not speak to them about the resurrection. He was speaking concerning their faith. They were believers already. The Corinthians and Paul already knew about the resurrection. Everyone who was preaching was preaching Christ crucified, and the resurrection. For all believers need to have faith in the Works of Christ and His resurrection.
That doesn't mean Christ is still on the Cross. He has risen. If you don't believe that, then don't use that as your closing statement.
---Mark_V. on 5/14/13


//St. Paul said he was determined to know nothing but Christ crucified, and so preach Him//
He also said
"that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"
" For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again,"
Looks like Paul preached a risen Christ not one left hanging on a cross
---michael_e on 5/14/13


\\The RCC because they still have Jesus on the Cross. He has risen yet.
---Mark_V. on 5/13/13\\

St. Paul said he was determined to know nothing but Christ crucified, and so preach Him.

Did that mean that he did not believe in His Resurrection?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/14/13


Peter9556, Archaeologists do not say they are "conclusively" Peter's bones, but believe so from data discover prior, during excavation underneath the Vatican. By mistake they came upon many bones, but in ancient burial area they found a man's bones in a box. Written on the wall next to the bones were "Peter lies here."
St.Jerome wrote and said where St. Peter's body was and that is exactly where the main altar is in St Peter's Basilica.

The Archaeologists found the early Christian Monogram used for the name of St. Peter over two dozen times, on and around the tomb of the Apostle.-Yahoo, UK.

Internet -'Is St. Peter's bone underneath the Vatican?'

RCC never states you have to believe any discoveries.
---Nikki on 5/14/13


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\\The churches went to war against each other.\\

Please give a date when Orthodox went to war against Roman Catholics, Samuel.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/14/13


The RCC because they still have Jesus on the Cross. He has risen yet.
---Mark_V. on 5/13/13

" The Church of the risen Christ" is a catholic church, that's what makes it funny
---francis on 5/13/13


Nikki: How are they sure the bones are really those of Peter?
---Peter9556 on 5/13/13


The First church centered around JESUS started in Jerusalem. Acts 2. It was comprised of all Jews who had come to know the Messiah.

Both the Orthodox and the RCC came from this church hundreds of years latter.

The church of the third century was united with leaders in many parts of the world. But it had forgotten much of it's Jewish roots as it tried to survive in a hostle world.

The Great schism was the splitting of the established church. Neither split off from the other. Both were equal but the RCC tried on the basis of a new doctrine that of Peter being the first pope as a reason for it's supremacy.

The churches went to war against each other. Forgetting the words of JESUS as they acted in hate not love.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/14/13


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//Do you believe it is the linen used on Jesus?//
years ago, i followed the theory of the shroud of turin along with Noah's ark supposedly being found.
As I studied what the Bible said about it. I found that what I thought about it had no bearing on salvation one way or another. I believe Jesus died, was buried and rose again. The Bible is vague about what his grave clothes were. So bottom line, the shroud of turin proves nothing to me.
---michael_e on 5/13/13


++//Do you believe there is a Shroud of Jesus in our mist?//
I believe the Spirit of Jesus is in our midst.---michael_e on 5/13/13++

If Jesus of Nazareth was an historical person, we should not be surprised to find there are traces of his earthly life.

However, I believed in Jesus Christ as Lord, God, and Savior for decades before I heard there was such a thing as the Shroud of Turin.

Our Savior's miracles defy scientific categories. Should the Shroud really be what many believe it to be, it would likewise defy scientific categories.

However, my faith does not rise or fall on this piece of cloth.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/13/13


//Do you believe there is a Shroud of Jesus in our mist?//
I believe the Spirit of Jesus is in our midst.---michael_e on 5/13/13

No, do you think the Shroud is the linen used to wrap Jesus' body and he rose through the linen.

Do you believe it is the linen used on Jesus?
---Nikki on 5/13/13


//Someone to represent the devil's side in all matters.//
Do you think "scientists" could be playing "'devil's advocate? They do have a habit of discounting Biblical facts.
//Do you believe there is a Shroud of Jesus in our mist?//
I believe the Spirit of Jesus is in our midst.
I put my faith in what the Bible does and doesen't say and very little in what someone may think.
---michael_e on 5/13/13


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Michael_e of course not, since we don't have Peter's family members to compare the DNA.

But, you know Scientists have ways of proving something.
No one can be 100%, but they do try to discount the wrong.

Do you know where the phrase 'devil's advocate' came from?
Someone to represent the devil's side in all matters.

The Vatican came up the the phrase to first discount everything until only God tells us the truth.

You claim you are a good person. The devil's advocate (not the real devil, but other persons) will try to tell everyone how you are not a good person.


Do you believe there is a Shroud of Jesus in our mist?

If not, then I understand your disbelief in the bones of Peter.
---Nikki on 5/13/13


//They DISCOVERED Peter's bones in 1930's.//
You don't actually think that is a proven fact do you?
Peter's dna would be hard to come by
---michael_e on 5/13/13


Jason, don't be sorry to burst my bubble, because it isn't a bubble, but a ROCK. Not even the netherworld can burst it. Matthew 16:18 (You might get hurt)

The other title for the Pope is called the Bishop of Rome. So, since Peter is the first Pope he is the first Bishop of Rome.

Many years the Pope wasn't in Rome in our past history. It is still his title.
If President Obama was exile to Russia wouldn't he still be the President of the Unite States? Even though he wasn't in one of the 50's States?

They DISCOVERED Peter's bones in 1930's. I think the people who verified the bones were going on more than just Scripture.

Are you saying you know more to say otherwise? They were not Peter's bones underneath the Vatican?
---Nikki on 5/13/13


Aka, I understood what you meant when you said the Church of the Risen Christ. Since Christ is not on the Cross but has risen, His Church is the Risen Christ Church. Of course you will hurt someone's feelings when they say there is no such Church. The RCC because they still have Jesus on the Cross. He has risen yet. The Adventist are different, they are still under the Old Testament Covenant and are still waiting for Christ to Come.
---Mark_V. on 5/13/13


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AKA, did you google the Church of the Risen Christ?

Google it.
---Nikki on 5/12/13


//The RCC isn't claiming it's originals in Rome.// Nikki

Youre right, RCCs origin is not Rome, but Babylon.

//Guess what? The RCC happens to be built on the bones of Peter.
Underneath the Chair of Peter in the Vatican.// Nikki

Sorry to burst your bubble, but thats hardly a proven fact and there is ACTUAL evidence suggesting he was buried in Jerusalem (oops bet the Vatican didnt like that). Peter was not in Rome when the RCC says he was and he most certainly wasnt the first bishop of Rome. I would like to see scripture that supports otherwise.
---jason9835 on 5/13/13


google "church of the risen christ", and see why it is funny
---francis on 5/12/13

i told you my reasoning. if that is what someone calls their church, and my thinking is dismissed because of it, so be it.

the rcc and sda both use the name of jesus christ, but i am not throwing out the Baby with the bathwater.

and believe me when i tell you, i almost drown in both bathwaters before i understood the true meaning of church of the risen christ.
---aka on 5/12/13


Revelation 12:6 And the woman ( CHURCH) fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days.

Revelation 12:14 And to the woman ( CHURCH) were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
---francis on 5/12/13


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//Sounds clear to me.
Only one Church today can trace his Leadership BACK to PETER. THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH.//

Wrong Peter, Nikki. If you had said Simon Magus instead of Simon Peter you'd be right. Paul was commissioned to witness to Rome, not Peter. Who do you think wrote the book of Romans?---jason9835 on 5/12/13

The RCC isn't claiming it's originals in Rome.
It's originals if from Jesus who stated He was building His Church on Peter.

Guess what? The RCC happens to be built on the bones of Peter.
Underneath the Chair of Peter in the Vatican.
---Nikki on 5/12/13


Francis, I did google the hurch of the risen Christ.

Funny indeed, just as I said earlier.
---Nikki on 5/12/13


//Sounds clear to me.
Only one Church today can trace his Leadership BACK to PETER. THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH.//

Wrong Peter, Nikki. If you had said Simon Magus instead of Simon Peter you'd be right. Paul was commissioned to witness to Rome, not Peter. Who do you think wrote the book of Romans? The RCC is full of pagan encrustations and is simply a continuation of the ancient pagan mystery religions. In case you didnt know, pagan deities were referred to as "peters", the most notable in Roman times was JU-PETER (Jupiter).
---jason9835 on 5/12/13


(Moses tabernacle was mostly open to the Priests, and some area's were only for High Priests,)
RICHARDC

The first veil (The eastern gate) which opened into the courtyard is part of the tabernacle!

(Exo_27:9) And thou shalt make the court of the tabernacle:
Anyone and everyone who came to sacrifice could pass through this gate.

You're talking about the next two veils or gates.
The next veil allowed only the priests to enter the Holy Place.
The last veil was only for the High Priest, who once a year could enter into the Holy of Holies.
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/12/13


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Yahushua (Jesus Christ) is the Head of the Church. EPHESIANS 5:23b, "...even as Christ is the Head of the Church."
Peter cannot, therefore be the Head, since Yahushua already is. "Peter" is "Petros", a stone. Yahushua is "Petra", the Rock, as in MATTHEW 16:18. Yahushua is also called "Petra", the Rock, in I CORINTHIANS 10:4, "...for they drank of that Spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock ("Petra") was Christ."
The Apostle Peter was a mere, fallible man. He was not stable enough to be the Solid Rock Foundation for the Church. Only God is Strong enough to uphold the Church.
---Gordon on 5/12/13


\\I believe the Baptist was the first church.\\
---shira4368 on 5/12/13

The 1st century church ??
Would they have referred to 19th century hymns as "old school" ??

You crack me up, Shira
---James_L on 5/12/13


nikki, all catholics believe it was the catholics that started the first church, the Baptist believe it was them. the church of Christ believe it was them....so on and on we go. I will tell you the Baptist cannot trace the beginning of the Baptist church. so as it goes, I believe the Baptist was the first church.
---shira4368 on 5/12/13


Nikki, notice that Jesus didn't say, "upon you I will build My Church" or "through you I will build My church" you know why? Because the Rock was Christ. Peter was a pebble, and unreliable person. Jesus was not going to build His church through Peter whom He rebuked when He told him, "get behind Me Satan." and who rejected the Lord three times. Could Jesus count on him? Of course not. Can Jesus count on a church which strips Him of His Headship, and replaces Him with a pope, and worships Mary? I don't think so.
---Mark_V. on 5/12/13


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first church of the risen christ. -aka
LOL that is funny -francis on 5/9/13

google "church of the risen christ", and see why it is funny
---francis on 5/12/13


Didn't Jesus Himself speak of the Church He wanted? He stated His Church was built on Peter.

Matthew 16:18
And so I say to you, you are Peter and upon this rock I will build my CHURCH, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.

Sounds clear to me.
Only one Church today can trace his Leadership BACK to PETER.

THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH.
---Nikki on 5/12/13


first church of the risen christ. -aka
LOL that is funny -francis on 5/9/13

i thought we were talking about the first christian church. and i was basing it on when the Lord prophesied that he will rebuild the temple in three days. otherwise, i agree with jerry, but the communion was with God 24/7, they rested on the Sabbath. if they only communed on the Sabbath, they would have had to fall on the sabbath...no scripture for that. nevertheless, since communion was broken, it was prophesied at the garden that jesus would come to save His body (the church) and reestablish communion. which brings me back to my first contention (but slighly reworded)... the risen christ (body) reestablished the first church in the Garden of Eden.
---aka on 5/11/13


HEBREWS 9:6 - Now when these things were thus ordained, the Priest went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.
HEBREWS 9:7 But into the second went the High Priest alone once every year, not with out blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of his people.

( Moses tabernacle was mostly open to the Priests, and some area's were only for High Priests, )
---RICHARDC on 5/11/13


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Jerusalem. Acts 2.

This is the beginning of the Orthodox Church.
---Cluny on 5/3/13


According to you. Most people consider the Eastern Orthodox Church to be a split from the Roman Catholic Church. Most people consider the Catholic Church to be the oldest church, not the inappropriately named Orthodox church.
---Jed on 5/11/13


Wouldn't it be The Tabernacle

Isn't a church a building used for religious activities particularly worship services.
Normally used by more than just one person. So it wouldn't be where God spoke unto Moses.

He told Moses:
Exo 25:8 And let them make me a sanctuary, that I may dwell among them.
Exo 25:9 According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.

A church, a building
Like the Tabernacle

Peace
---TheSeg on 5/11/13


1 KINGS 5:5 - And behold I purpose to build an house unto the name of the Lord my God as the Lord spake unto David my Father saying, Thy son, whom I will set my throne in thy room, he shall build an house unto my name.

( Solomon completed the first Temple 957 BC )
---RICHARDC on 5/10/13


---aka on 5/9/13

He is Moses, The Angel is Jesus

Acts 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel,... Acts 7:38 This is he( MOSES), that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel ( JESUS) which spake to him ( MOSES) in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

It was Moses and Jesus on the mount Sina,( not Moses and the father) and Jesus gave to Moses the ten commandments ( lively oracles)

Exodus 33:11 And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend.

Deuteronomy 5:4 The LORD talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
---francis on 5/10/13


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In the Garden of Eden, where Adam and Eve communed with God every Sabbath Day.



---jerry6593 on 5/10/13


Francis,

In acts 7:38, who is the 'he' with Jesus the angel?
---aka on 5/9/13


first church of the risen christ.
---aka on 5/7/13
LOL that is funny
---francis on 5/9/13


The building is brick and stone. The Church is TRUE believers. The word is "Ecclesia" and is translated with one or two exceptions, as Church, but should be defined as called out assembly.

The called out assembly is the BoC when Paul uses it, but its not that way in other passages. In Acts 7 Stephen speaks of the Church in the wilderness. It wasnt a building with a steeple, nor a Church that had pastors, bishops, and deacons. It was the children of Israel, come out of Egypt. They were a called out assembly of people. So when you see the word Church, this is why Paul almost always identifies it as "The Church which is His Body," which makes a big difference from the word Church thats maybe used elsewhere in Scrip
---michael_e on 5/8/13


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I think the meaning of first church in the new testament is where Christians met on a regular basis. God is the church and He has always been but from a human perspective, it is our meeting place.
---shira4368 on 5/8/13


//How could the first church be started after Jesus death, when there was a church in the wilderness?//

first church of the risen christ.
---aka on 5/7/13


How could the first church be started after Jesus death, when there was a church in the wilderness?

Acts 7:38 This is he, that was in the CHURCH IN THE WILDERNESS with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and [with] our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
---francis on 5/5/13


Acts 2 v 38, was delivered to the Jewish people First by Apostle Peter on the day of Pentecost. The rest of the Apostles taught The Very Same.
He gave Apostle Peter the teaching Acts 2 v 38. God is Not double minded, He didn't give the other Apostles something diff to teach, they All taught the Same.
---Lawrence on 5/5/13


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Peter and the others were waiting in prayer for the Holy Spirit, in Acts chapter one. They were the church, at that time, I would say. And when the Holy Spirit filled them . . . Acts 2 . . . they were the church, but filled with the Holy Spirit.

And even from the beginning there has been imitating, by different people and groups who claim to be the real church of Jesus.

But the ones who obey are in the obedient succession. And Paul in 1 Timothy 3:1-10 gives standards for who qualifies just to be considered to "take care of the church of God". Many do not obey this.
---willie_c: on 5/4/13


St Paul and Barnabas were sent on their first missionary by Christians from Little Antioch Palestine.
---Blogger9211 on 5/4/13


the first church (on earth) started in the outskirts of jerusalem upon jesus' death, resurrection, and assumption.

it continued in Acts 2 and different apostles and disciples spread it to other parts of israel, africa, greece, rome, and various places in asia minor.

however, the church refers to no building. the church was and is planted only in the hearts of a few willing to hear.
---aka on 5/4/13


Paul set up the first churches in Asia Minor!
---1st_cliff on 5/3/13


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Where or when?

Sadly, the "church" is not a physical entity as but a spiritual. From the Scriptures, the first would be Abel...
---christan on 5/3/13


Acts 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and [with] our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
---francis on 5/3/13


Jerusalem. Acts 2.

This is the beginning of the Orthodox Church.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/3/13


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