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Why Did God Take A Body

Why do you think God had to take a Body? For what purpose?
Why did He have to be one of us?

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JamesL, I think I know where you are coming from. If you are saying since Jesus took Mary's flesh He would have also have taken the sinful part as well.
If this isn't want you are saying, please forgive me.

If it is then that is why the Fathers of the Church states Mary is the Immaculate Conception. God saved Mary at her conception.
So that Jesus would not obtain the original sin from Mary.

Mary's parents passed the original sin from Adam, but God Saved Mary of the sin by infusing Grace at the moment of the conception to form Mary. The Grace was enough to prevent Mary from sinning as well.

Now Jesus is just like Adam as he was when made without sin.
Unlike Adam, Jesus does not fall into sin.
I hope that helps.
---Nikki on 5/12/13


Hebrews 6:20
Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Hebrews 9:12
Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Hebrews 9:24
For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:


So you see Nikki, Jesus didn't enter Mary's womb to enter into the Holy of Holies for us. And since Jesus was only in Mary's womb 9 months. You seem to believe He's still there.
---kathr4453 on 5/12/13


Warwick,
Cluny asked if I deny that Jesus has a "full human nature"

I said:

THAT DEPENDS on what you mean by that typical, ambiguous phrase "full human nature"

As you and I discussed before, "human nature" can include spirit, soul, flesh, propensity, or any combination of those

!! that's what makes the phrase ambiguous !!
it can mean anything to anybody

But scripture isn't ambiguous - the WORD became FLESH - and flesh never made anyone a sinner

I went on with:

Do you believe He fell short of the glory of God? If so, you don't believe in the real Jesus

Maybe your command of Enlgish didn't let you see my emphasis on ambiguity ??
---James_L on 5/12/13


Nikki, the day the Ark RESTED, was the Day Jesus rose from the dead nearly 4000 years later. Peter also gives an interesting parallel re Noah's Ark, representing our death and resurrection life In Christ, referring to our spiritual Baptism, that is being Baptized INTO CHRIST.

The Ark, mercy seat etc, where the High Priest alone, not without Blood entered into The Holy of Holies, where GOD ALMIGHTY DWELS. We can now enter THROUGH THE VEIL, that is to say His Flesh, again, being baptized into Christ. The Veil represents His Flesh, Jesus crucified.

Mary is no where a part of these types and Shadows here

No one can come to the Father except through His Son....Jesus Christ. Once there...we are Colossians 3: 1-4.
---kathr4453 on 5/12/13


JamesL, I believe I have a good command of English and it did seem to me you were saying that if Jesus, the Son of Man, born of Mary, was indeed human then He must have sinned. Hebrews 2:17 says "Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect,....." Hebrews 4:15 says "For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin."

As I see it you have made an error of fact, apparently believing that as the Son of man was human he must therefore be sinful. Not so as Scripture says. If I have misunderstood you please explain.
---Warwick on 5/12/13




\\"human nature" includes failure, insecurity, doubt, and according to Romans 3:23, the eventuality of sin\\

Wrong again.

Sin is not part of our original ontology. It's an add on. As we were originally created, God said we were VERY GOOD.

There's no such thing as a "sin nature." Sin is not really part of our human nature, but is extrinsic to us.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/12/13


Nikki, you say...just a boat? Don't you know all these things pointed to Christ?---kathr4453 on 5/11/13

Kathr, I am not denying Noah's Ark didn't point to Jesus. After the Ark docked on land what happened to the Ark? Noah didn't care. It was the contents inside that mattered to him.

You kept implying that Jesus was the Ark. I am saying no He is INSIDE the Ark.

Do you think God only limited to the Priests to touch the Ark because of the Ark it's self, or because what was inside the Ark?

Which is more important to you?

Mary is called the New Ark because she is carrying the New Covenant: JESUS CHRIST.


---Nikki on 5/12/13


"strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man" is speaking about "faith in Christ"
---christan on 5/12/13
Can you see Christ, or the Spirit of God in you?

That is why it is RIGHTEOUSNESS BY FAITH

Ephesians 3:17 Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith,



I never said one word about works for salvation


Isaiah 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, and there a little:

Stay on the breast, drink more milk till you are weaned. This meat is too hard for you
---francis on 5/12/13


Mark V,
You need to learn English a little better before you try to have an intelligent dialogue with English-speaking people.

Either that, or you need to stop intentionally distorting what others write in English

Which is it ??
---James_L on 5/12/13


James L, I am shocked to hear you say what you did of Jesus Christ human nature. You have read He commited no sin. How can you say what you did? At first I though you were only misinformed. I also thought you were a Christian who only needed to learn more about God. But you question the humanity of Jesus. No Christian questions the humanity of Jesus. Only cult members do. heretics who try to dethrone the Lord. You say, Eventually sin. If He sinned, you have no one to atone for your sins. You are in great need of the Spirit to snap your heart, change the way you think, and give you light for the Spirit testifies of Christ.
---Mark_V. on 5/12/13




francis, you're really blind to the core to what the Epistles are really saying. Especially Ephesians. The "strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man" is speaking about "faith in Christ" and nothing more as you try to insinuate.

You fail to believe and understand that only by "faith in Christ" is all that it needs for the sinner to receive eternal life. Nothing more or less but 'faith in Christ" is going to cut it.

What you're implying is the man even after receiving "faith in Christ" has still to work for his salvation, which is unbiblical. The good works are merely prove of the sinner's salvation (Ephesians 2:10 confirms).
---christan on 5/12/13


\\That depends on what you mean by that typical, ambiguous phrase full human nature\\

What is ambiguous about "full human nature?"

It's nothing more than another way of saying, "like us in all things."

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/12/13


\\Do you deny that Jesus has a full human nature in the Incarnation?\\
---Cluny on 5/11/13

That depends on what you mean by that typical, ambiguous phrase full human nature

"human nature" includes failure, insecurity, doubt, and according to Romans 3:23, the eventuality of sin

Do you believe He fell short of the glory of God? If so, you don't believe in the real Jesus

Oh, wait. Maybe you don't believe He was made like us in ALL THINGS ???

If you don't clear up some of the ambiguity, you'll always find yourself in conflict
---James_L on 5/12/13


You asked Nikki:
How then can you say Mary is the Ark.//
TheSeg said::
The same way, you can. That is, if Christ be in you, Rom_8:10!
Are you not a kind of Ark, yourself?
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/11/13

No I'm not a kind of Ark. Yes! Christ is in me, but it's me being "In Christ" that represents Christ as the Ark. See my second post. Christ in Me does not make me a god either, the way they make Mary one.

I am crucified with Christ, and it is no longer I but Christ in me. Is this what Mary meant when Christ was in Her?
NO! How can you make such a comparison? You insult by saying "all wise",however, that wisdom comes from above, and the wisdom that is in Christ, I won't apologize.
---kathr4453 on 5/12/13


2 Cor 5:5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath IMPARTED unto us the earnest of the Spirit.


Ephesians 1:13 ... ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.


2 Peter 1:4 Whereby are IMPARTED unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
---francis on 5/11/13


---christan on 5/11/13
Ephesians 3:16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man,
....according to the power that worketh in us,

It is not the one time act of justification, it is the daily act of sanctification.
On our own, we would not be able to overcome sin, but Christ in us, strengths us so that in our mortal body we may overcome sin

Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

2 Cor 13:5 Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
---francis on 5/11/13


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**\\Otherwise, He was not fully human.\\
---Cluny

Which is found nowhere in scripture.**

Do you deny that Jesus has a full human nature in the Incarnation?

If you do, you gon't believe in the real Jesus and are still in your sins.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/11/13


Noah's Ark is a Type of Christ in so many ways, yet so few know in what way.

The invitation to Come
Shelter from the Wrath of God
Total security
Eternal security......just to name a few. The list is endless.

Nikki, you say...just a boat? Don't you know all these things pointed to Christ?
---kathr4453 on 5/11/13


francis, you sound confused with impute and impart even after using the dictionary. Some help it did you.

Here's why - you say, "He actually imparts the strength to overcome sin" - this is erroneous, for if it is true, it would have made Christ's death at Calvary a mockery for what He came to do and that was "die for the sins of His people". And if Christ had already "died for the sins of His people", what is there for you the need to "overcome sin" when the faith of the Christian in Christ is sufficient to save him from eternal damnation.

What you are really saying is Christ's death never overcame your sins at Calvary and that you yourself need to overcome it.
---christan on 5/11/13


\\He became IN ALL THINGS as us, then He had to have a human spirit.\\
---Cluny on 5/10/13

He had to be made like His brethren in all things...For since He Himself was tempted in that which He suffered

Heb 10:5
Therefore, when He comes into the world, He says, "Sacrifice and offering You have not desired, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME

1Pet 4:1
Christ has suffered in the flesh

I guess you think body and spirit are the same thing? Nice try


\\Otherwise, He was not fully human.\\
---Cluny

Which is found nowhere in scripture. Or...

2Clement 9:5
If Christ the Lord who saved us, being first spirit, then became flesh

Again, nice try.
---James_L on 5/11/13


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Mat_6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/11/13


Righteousness by faith is the imputing and imparting of the results of His sinless life and atoning death. It includes both justification and sanctification. He imputes, or credits, to us the merits of His sinless experience to deliver us from the penalty of sin. This is justification.

To deliver us from the power of sin, He does not merely reckon us as righteous, but He actually imparts the strength to overcome sin. In either case, He can only bestow upon us what He attained through His own incarnate experience as the Saviour of the world.

Sanctification Ephesians 3:16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man,
---francis on 5/11/13


---christan on 5/10/13
No it is not, but it gives the meaning of words. What does imputed mean? If you do not use a dictionary you will never know because the bible does not define imputed.

Impute means to credit, So God credits us with the righteousness of Christ.Imputed righteousness is also synonymous with justification. That ensures us that we are saved from the penalty of sin.

To keep us from the committing sin, God IMPARTS, gives or grants to us his divine nature, his holy spirit to strengthen us to enable us to live righteous lives, this is synonymous with sanctification

Both imputed and imparted righteousness are both received by faith:
Ephesians 3:17 and make up righteousness by faith
---francis on 5/11/13


francis, you go ahead and use all the dictionary you like or want, not that it's helping you. Christ declared, "It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."

And I assure you the dictionary is definitely not spirit.

The righteousness of Christ is IMPUTED (Romans 4:6,11,23,24 confirms this) to believers, not imparted. The verses you keep quoting points to imputation and "faith in Jesus Christ", which you do not acknowledge. To you, righteousness has to be worked out by the sinner, whereas to the Christian, Christ's righteousness is what will get him to heaven through faith in Him.
---christan on 5/10/13


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Yes, I know TheSeg is RCC, so his input is also RCC brainwashing.
If the first Ark, at the time of Noah pointed To Christ, how then can you say Mary is the Ark. We are not IN MARY.---kathr4453 on 5/10/13

I thought Seg was trying to defend your notion of the Ark?

You are still confused.

Noah's Ark:
A man with a boat called Ark.

The the Ark of the Covenant:
A box covered with precious metals and 2 Angels. The items inside the box is what was valuable. Not the Ark itself.

So is Jesus the new Ark or is Mary?
Who is God.
Jesus is God, not Mary.
Mary is the vessel the new Ark.

Sometimes, I think you just want to pounce and blame the RCC, no matter what the subject is about
---Nikki on 5/10/13


...... To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons." Galatians 4:4,5

The law must be satisfied, accounts must be settled. That's why.
---christan on 5/7/13

Accurate post...to redeem them under the law. GOD married Israel the entire nation of 12 as posted earlier. Jer 3:14. Put the Nth House of 10 away/divorced Jer 3:8. But promised an impossible for man remarriage. Ref Isa 62:4. Impossible in that, the husband has to die to free the divorced wife by law. Ref Rom 7:3. YAHshua...in human form died and the New Covenant/Marriage was now possible. Heb 8:8/Jer 31:31.
---Trav on 5/10/13


Yes, I know TheSeg is RCC, so his input is also RCC brainwashing.
Kathr, thank you!

Shouldnt Roman Catholics go to church on Sundays
Confess to a priest in some kind of ritual
Call a man father, have little statues of Saints floating round.
Look at the pope as some kind of king on earth.

Let me ask you, Kathr the all wise!
Shouldnt I believe a man can represent God the Father?
I would have too!

But, talking about brainwashing!
Sometimes I really think you should have your head examined.

You asked Nikki:
How then can you say Mary is the Ark.
The same way, you can. That is, if Christ be in you, Rom_8:10!
Are you not a kind of Ark, yourself?
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/11/13


Nikki, I know where you all go with this, in stating that Revelation 12 is Mary, the Woman. But if you read carefully in the end, WE are not the "remnant "of her seed. We meaning the church. The Woman is Israel, the sun, moon etc here refer to Joseph's dream, in Genesis, and the 12 stars are the 12 tribes of Israel, not the 12 Apostles. Mary has nothing to do with being head of any Apostles, nor did she give birth to any 12 Apostles. Revelation is the Revelation of Jesus, NOT the Revelation of Mary.

Once again, you put Mary front and Center.

GOD KNOWS THIS, and knows you are WRONG.
---kathr4453 on 5/11/13


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Not confused Nikki,. Obviously you don't understand types and shadows. They are about Christ, not about man.

The law was fulfilled through Christ. HE is that Mercy seat. All in the tabernacle including the Ark pointed to Christ and no one else...PERIOD..

Are YOU listening? It doesn't appear you are.

Yes, I know TheSeg is RCC, so his input is also RCC brainwashing.

The BLOOD was sprinkled not only on the Mercy Seat, but where else? So you say The Blood was sprinkled on Mary?

If the first Ark, at the time of Noah pointed To Christ, how then can you say Mary is the Ark. We are not IN MARY.
---kathr4453 on 5/10/13


There is something else the Mosaic Ark contained that nobody has mentioned.

The Manna--the Bread that came down from heaven that Jesus called Himself in John 6.

Think about it.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/10/13


Kathr, Thank God, He isn't listening to you.
HE KNOWS THE TRUTH.

You love to pull out sentences to mold into your attack mode. It doesn't matter if I never said something, you plan to twist my words for your own agenda.

Jesus is the tabernacle/temple, or Ark, not Mary.---kathr4453 on 5/9/13

Seg followed your lead:
So then Christ is the third ark carrying the word of, God--TheSeg on 5/9/13

That's when I corrected the 'is' and 'of'.

JESUS ISN'T THE ARK. The Ark is a CARRYING VESSEL.
That's why Seg spoke of Noah's Ark.

You are confused with the Vessel and the Substance IN the Vessel.
1st carried people and animals. 2nd Holy items to God. 3rd GOD HIMSELF.
---Nikki on 5/10/13


the ark is a picture of salvation. we are sealed til unto the day of redemption. ephesians 4:30
---shira4368 on 5/10/13


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no Christ is the Word, not the Ark. Ark is called the Ark of the Lord.
('of' not 'is'.

Nikki on 5/9/13

The Logos who IS GOD is not limited to the 10 commandments written on stone and placed in the Ark, you say is Mary.

Aaron's rod that budded represents the fruit of the Spirit, again not in Mary's Womb.

Mary is NOT the Mercy seat either placed on the ark. and Nikki, don't even try to separate the Ark from the Mercy Seat.

You have stripped Jesus of everything if you believe Mary was/is the Ark. There is also no New Covenant ARK.

Mary is not the Ark of the New Covenant.

Yes, we can go on and on here and will if you like...only showing how you truly worship Mary as co-redeemer. Blasphemy!
---kathr4453 on 5/10/13


---christan on 5/9/13
use a dictionary once in a while will you.

IMPART:
1: to give, convey, bestore, or grant from or as if from a store

2 Peter 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.


2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Ephesians 3:16 That he would GRANT you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man,

---francis on 5/10/13


\\There's nothing in scripture about Jesus having a human spirit.\\

Yes, there is.

if, has been pointed out, He became IN ALL THINGS as us, then He had to have a human spirit.

Otherwise, He was not fully human.

Try again.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/10/13


"Why did He have to be one of us?"
"In all things it behoved Him to be made like unto [his] brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things [pertaining] to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people."
"For what purpose?"
"For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one [man] shall many be made righteous." Rom 5:15
"For since by man [came] death, by man [came] also the resurrection of the dead." 1Cr 15:21>See also Hbr 2:14,15
---josef on 5/9/13


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So that He could accomplish our salvation.

Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities, but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.



---jerry6593 on 5/10/13


I heard it, I understand it and I like it!
So I will spend time with him on it, thank!

Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

The Bible is so EXCITING!
Nikki

And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?

Yes, it is!
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/9/13


\\(et homo factus est--kai enanthropizanta). What did you think these words meant?\\
---Cluny on 5/8/13


\\The Bible is so EXCITING!\\
---Nikki on 5/9/13

See anything strange there, Cluny? When someone reads their bible, they don't come up with some of the fuzzy, ambiguous doctrines of the church councils

There's nothing in scripture about Jesus having a human spirit. We are told very explicitly that the Word became FLESH

All the slick words of church philosophers have confused the shallow minds of those who follow only them. Notice I didn't say theologians, because many of them weren't.

Great thinkers, but many weren't able to discern the word of God
---James_L on 5/9/13


Seg, no Christ is the Word, not the Ark. Ark is called the Ark of the Lord.
('of' not 'is')
Yes, I want logical discussion. I learn a lot from others, as long as no insults. Disagree is good and should happen.

Notice the similarities of 2Samuel 6 to Luke 1:39-56?

David takes the Ark to Jerusalem, but the Ark stays in house of Obededom the Gittie a Priest, for 3 MONTHS.
V 11 states how the Ark carrying the Lord, and the Lord blesses Obededom and the whole household.

Mary the new Ark of the Lord, visits Elizabeth with 3 months and the Lord- Jesus blesses the Priestly household.

John leaps in Elizabeth's womb.
2Samuel 6:16..King David LEAPING AND DANCING BEFORE THE LORD...

The Bible is so EXCITING!
---Nikki on 5/9/13


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Jesus is the tabernacle/temple, or Ark, not Mary.
I always thought the first ark was Noahs?

Mary is the second Ark carrying the WORD OF GOD.
I always thought the second ark, carried the 10 commandments?

So then Christ is the third ark carrying the word of, God.
Joh_14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

If so! Then Mary was ark 2.5?
Unless there was an ark carrying an ark, I mean, you did said:
Jesus tabernacle/temple, or Ark
Looking at it logically and thinking about it.

Or maybe, shes like the world that carried all the arks.
Or maybe, maybe, something else, maybe?
Im confused!
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/9/13


Nikki, it began when Adam disobeyed God and paid a terrible price-separated from intimacy with God, lost eternal life being banished from the garden so he could not continue to eat from the tree of life, and live forever Genesis 3:22. He (and Eve, and mankind since (Romans 8:22) lived the rest of his days under the curse. For this reason God took upon Himself flesh (a body you prepared for me Hebrews 10:5) so He could share in our humanity (Hebrews 2:14), made like His brothers in every way vs.17 The Son of Man died upon the cross "the wages of sin is death" (Romans 6:23) BUT "it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him" (Acts 2:24.Once separated from God we are now reconciled with Him by Jesus sacrifice.
---Warwick on 5/9/13


As one ancient Christian writer said in a sermon for Ascension day, "What was not assumed at the Incarnation was not redeemed."

Hope this helps.--Cluny on 5/9/13

A lot. I will mediate on this during Adoration.
Thanks

Jesus is the tabernacle/temple, or Ark, not Mary. And Jesus also said, tear down this Temple and I will raise it up again in 3 days.
And the Ark was placed IN THE TEMPLE. Not the other way around-- Kathr

The first Ark carried the word of God.

Mary is the second Ark carrying the WORD OF GOD.

Look at it logically. Think about it. (I am not sayihg this in a smart way)
---Nikki on 5/9/13


---willie_c: on 5/9/13
nice post
well said
---francis on 5/9/13


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francis, the verses you quoted does not speak of "imparting" as you would like to believe from your SDA or whatever. Every verse you quoted points to ONLY "faith in Christ" and nothing else as you would like to imagine.

For example, 1 John 3:7 "Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous."

And what is this righteousness that the man does? The answer is in Romans 10:4, "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to EVERY ONE THAT BELIEVETH." That is, "faith in Jesus Christ"

So much for your "impart" nonsense.
---christan on 5/9/13


Nikki, to elaborate on my first answer to your question, in the Incarnation, the Logos took on our entire human nature, including a human soul (or, if you like, human soul and spirit) and united it with His full divine nature in an eternal indissoluble union into one and the same Person: our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ. This in theological language is called the "hypostatic union."

As one ancient Christian writer said in a sermon for Ascension day, "What was not assumed at the Incarnation was not redeemed."

Hope this helps.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/9/13


You still didn't answer the question why God had to take a body.

---Nikki on 5/8/13

Nikki, read Hebrews, it is steeped with WHY Jesus was made flesh.

Jesus is the tabernacle/temple, or Ark, not Mary. And Jesus also said, tear down this Temple and I will raise it up again in 3 days.

And the Ark was placed IN THE TEMPLE. Not the other way around.

Even the veil in the temple was a type of Jesus flesh. Hebrews 10...only Jesus alone through the flesh has opened a way to the Holy of Holies where God dwells.
---kathr4453 on 5/9/13


when Jesus Christ was born, he was in human form. Jesus suffered everything we humans feel. He was tempted of satan, He endured pain, He loved, He worked, and He died for our sin. we who are saved have the Spirit of God living in us. so cluny you are right. thank God
---shira4368 on 5/8/13


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\\Interesting? Please explain the difference. I never heard of that.
---Nikki on 5/8/13\\

It's in the Nicene Creed: "and became man" (et homo factus est--kai enanthropizanta). What did you think these words meant?

We are more than our physical bodies.

We have wills, emotions, and all the rest which are part of our human nature as well.

I would expect James L to react the way he did, but not you, Nikki.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/8/13


Paul never said that Christ came to "impart to us the strength to overcome sin in our own nature". What a twisted and convoluted interpretation of Romans 8:3,4.
---christan on 5/8/13

LOL No twist, i just used my whole bible

Ephesians 3:16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man,

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

2 Corinthians 4:11 For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.
---francis on 5/9/13


Christan, I was asking Willie,C not you.
---Nikki on 5/9/13


Nikki, answering Arianism the scholars of the East answer that question in the Council of Nicaea .
---Joseph_ROY on 5/9/13


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"For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil." (in 1 John 3:8)

"Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage." (Hebrews 2:14-15)

So, there is more than one reason why Jesus came in the flesh. And, through this scripture I see that "fear of death" is slavery to Satan. But Jesus makes us "free indeed" (John 8:34), "and you will find rest for your souls," He says in Matthew 11:29.
---willie_c: on 5/9/13


One other thing, Nikki: God took on our entire human nature, not just a physical body.
Christ is risen!---Cluny on 5/8/13

Interesting? Please explain the difference. I never heard of that.
---Nikki on 5/8/13


\\God took on our entire human nature, not just a physical body.\\
---Cluny on 5/8/13

What the heck is that supposed to mean?
---James_L on 5/8/13


"You still didn't answer the question why God had to take a body." Nikki

Seems you see and read what you want to. Go back to my post in this blog dated 5/7/13 and the answer is there.

And honestly, your lack of knowledge to why Jesus had to come in the flesh is telling, though you may want us to think you know but that you're just testing people here. You see, Jesus coming in the flesh in one of the most basic fundamentals in holding the faith of a Christian given to him by God.

To ask and then question Christ's mission which is so explicitly mentioned in the Bible, shows your maturity level in your understanding of why He had to come in the flesh.
---christan on 5/8/13


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francis, I wonder how Romans 8:3,4 confirms what you have declared. Paul never said that Christ came to "impart to us the strength to overcome sin in our own nature". What a twisted and convoluted interpretation of Romans 8:3,4.

Christ never came to just "overcome sin" but He came to die in place of His people's sins that God demanded payment for "the wages of sin is death". So, please don't try to sell us your doctrine of impartation because that's not what happened.

Impartation takes away the glory from Christ in that His death at Calvary totally paid and redeemed His people from their sins. Apart from faith in Christ, there's no other way the sinner is saved!
---christan on 5/8/13


Why do you think God had to take a Body? For what purpose?Why did He have to be one of us

So that he could overcome sin in our own nature, and impart to us the strength to overcome sin in our own nature

Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
---francis on 5/8/13


One other thing, Nikki: God took on our entire human nature, not just a physical body.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/8/13


Nikki . . . it sounds like your Bible might weigh a bit. So, if you carry it around, you might get stronger.--willie_c: on 5/8/13

I guess you over looked my answer.

Christan, My shine must be weak, because I don't carry a Bible around.---Nikki on 5/8/13

You still didn't answer the question why God had to take a body.
---Nikki on 5/8/13


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Willie, God did not come "as his son" his son was and is separate. they're in unity with the same purpose, not person. To Christian, Jesus NEVER claimed to be God. Jesus worshipped God & so do we. God is his father and OUR father.
---womandisciple on 5/8/13


Nikki . . . it sounds like your Bible might weigh a bit. So, if you carry it around, you might get stronger. My mother did weights in order to help to stimulate her bones with exercise stress to signal them to grow stronger and not be osteoporitic. So, carrying it around might help stimulate your bones to be stronger against osteoporosis.

Jesus left Heaven itself and all He had going for Him in Heaven, in order to reach us and share with us. He did this as our example of how we need to be willing to leave our little heavens and daydreams, in order to reach any and all people with love, and get over however we have been trying to make ourselves "God" > Philippians 2:5-11.
---willie_c: on 5/8/13


God came as His Son Jesus, in His human body.

(1) As ones have said, so He could shed His blood for us and die for us.

(2) Also > "For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin." (Hebrews 4:15) So, Jesus came here in order to go through things of this life so now Jesus as our Groom can feel for us, plus minister to us His grace which got Him through it all.

(3) Hebrews 2:14-15.

(4) To reach us and preach to us.

(5) To be our example of how to love > John 13:34 & 15:12-14, Ephesians 5:2 & 5:33.
---willie_c: on 5/7/13


Christan, My shine must be weak, because I don't carry a Bible around.

As for reading the Bible, I study the Bible.
Lectio Divina (Latin for divine reading)

You need to reread Leviticus.
Study it. Don't race through it as we all have in the past.
God is teaching Arron and Moses how to worship HIM. What to wear, how, want, and the way to sacrifice. The rest of Leviticus is our behavior toward each other, stranger and family.

Don't you see it? We have to be clean internally and externally when we go to worship God.
As you do now. You wear appropriate clothes to church because God told Moses and Arron the necessity of behaving on holy grounds.
Jesus fulfills Leviticus. He is the Lamb pleasing to God.
---Nikki on 5/8/13


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Christian, Still babbling away with childish nonsense.
** And His Son, isn't one with the Father?**
Aren't you "one" with your wife? (is she you?)
The US Army slogan "An army of one" (means there's only one soldier??)
""And the word was a God" (translate this into Greek verbatim) You can't because there's no article "a" in Greek!
---1st_cliff on 5/8/13


Nikki, you're a shining example of a RC that carries a Bible around but never read what's written and explained by the prophets and apostles.

The book of Leviticus is a detailed account of the law that God gave to Moses and Israel. Consisting of twenty-seven chapters. Lots of do's and don'ts or else die. Was God really teaching you "how to offer up something to someone you love" in Leviticus or was He telling us how strict and intolerant He was to sin and things that He hates?

Ultimately, Paul simply summed up about the law by declaring, "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." That is, the law had only one purpose.
---christan on 5/7/13


"God never took a body. His son did." womandisciple

And His Son isn't One with the Father? Are you denying that Jesus Christ isn't God before He became flesh? Not that He ceased to be God when He became man anyways. Look at all the accounts of the miracles He performed. Can the man made of dust do all the miracles Christ did? Most definitely not!

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." And if Christ is not God to you, this would then be applicable to you, "He was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not."
---christan on 5/7/13


Nikki, I see a lack of clarity in your Blog. It is the word of God that took flesh. Certainly, John explains it.
---Joseph_ROY on 5/7/13


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Why do you all think the book of Leviticus is in the Bible?

I think it is in the Bible because God is teaching us how to offer up something to someone you love.

As you teach your child to say please, or thank you.

God had so many rules for the Jewish people when offering up a sacrifice to Him, why? Because HE IS GOD.

You can't pay your bills with rocks or dirt. No, it has to have value. So as our payment for our debt.

So, when God takes on a Body to SAVE us, He isn't going forget all the rules He gave Israel.
He has to have A PERFECT BODY FOR A PERFECT SACRIFICE to be pleasing to His Father.

---Nikki on 5/7/13


God took on a Body of a Man because it was mankind that needed Salvation. The first sin came through man, and equally a Man had to give His life-Blood to make atonement for that sin of mankind.

Scripture says, in HEBREWS 9:22b, "...and without shedding of Blood is no Remission (of sins)."

Also, in MATTHEW 26:28, Yahushua says, "For this is My Blood...which is shed for many for the Remission of sins."
---Gordon on 5/7/13


God never took a body. His son did. God was & is a spirit. Never left heaven when his son was conceived & born on the earth. So God never had use of a body.
---womandisciple on 5/7/13


He came to do it & get it done right. Even tho, He came unto His own & ( they - Most ) received Him not.
---Lawrence on 5/7/13


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Sin was committed in the flesh because Adam and Eve broke the law. And the law demand for disobedience is "the wages of sin is death". And all that came after Adam had the sentence of death over their head.

"And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins." Matthew 1:21

"But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons." Galatians 4:4,5

The law must be satisfied, accounts must be settled. That's why.
---christan on 5/7/13


The wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23) thus something has to die for sin, either the sinner or a blameless sacrifice. Also only a higher lifeform can save a lower lifeform (Hebrews). Because we are made in the image of God (Gen. Ch 1, able to love) only a blameless image of God can sacrifice for an image of God. He had to become like us so that we would have the godly sorrow and be declared guilty of the murder of his Son (see Parable of the Wicked Tenants Luke 20:9) but he overcame such evil with love that he can declare "no greater love than to lay down ones life for his friends" (John 15:13) for if he did not love us we would not know him and rest in his grace.
---Scott1 on 5/7/13


Your second question, Nikki, is based on a wrong assumption.

Only God is totally free. He doesn't "HAVE" to do anything at all.

However, this is what He freely CHOSE to do. He was under no necessity or constraint.

In any case, St. Anselm deals with this issue in his book CUR DEUS HOMO? (Why did God become Man?)

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/6/13


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