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Explain Acts 7:38

In Acts 7:38, some claim that the angel is Jesus. If so, who is the 'he' mentioned in the verse?

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He is called a plethora of names in the Bible - all the way from Wonderful, Counsellor to Good Shepherd, The Lamb, and The Vine? Why isn't someone screaming "No, Jesus isn't really a sheep!"?---jerry6593 on 5/15/13

EXCELLENT POINT! No one is saying He is a created being when suggesting He is the LAMB OF GOD.

Now EXCHANGE Lamb with Angel.

He is the Angel of God.
Exactly Francis is saying.
But, because it isn't said as much as Lamb of God, people JUMPED to insults.
---Nikki on 5/15/13


Nikki my bible must be a misprint it doesnt have 'Struggle with the Angel'---TheSeg on 5/14/13

I said Title. Are you saying your Bible doesn't have each paragraphs topic subject title?
Unless you have a smaller Bible, or one that doesn't even separate Jesus' Words in a different ink.

Even the title of my paragraph states 'Struggle with the Angel'.
V 23 starts off the incident.---Nikki on 5/14/13

Question is, does God hide or keeps it a secret as to who He comes down or appear as?---christan on 5/15/13

All the time. Herod didn't know which baby boy to kill, so he killed every boy 2 years or less.
---Nikki on 5/15/13


Col 2:18-19 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
Heb 1:5-6 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
God never said to any angel "Thou art My Son."
---micha9344 on 5/15/13


"Can God come to us in any form He wishes?" Nikki

Of course He can. Question is, does God hide or keeps it a secret as to who He comes down or appear as?

Last known, the Bible explicitly tells us that He manifested to us in the form of a man whom we are told was Jesus Christ, ie He came in the flesh to redeem His people as prophesied and promised.

No where in the Bible does it explicitly say God manifested Himself as an angel, though francis has tried numerous times to use verses that hardly confirms his lack of understanding of Scriptures. He has to say what he has to say is because his faith in the SDA dictates it to be so, even when Scriptures contradicts his doctrine.
---christan on 5/15/13


Yea christan maybe you missed thats part.
Even the title of my paragraph states 'Struggle with the Angel'.

Nikki my bible must be a misprint it doesnt have 'Struggle with the Angel'
It just has the Holy Bible on the cover and it says:
Gen 32:24 And Jacob was left alone, and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day.

What bible do you have that it says:
Gen 32:24 And Jacob was left alone, and there wrestled an angel with him until the breaking of the day.

Maybe you should find the word that belongs there.
francis does yours have an angel also?
Can someone tell me what bible has the word angel in Gen 32:24!
Let me know.
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/14/13




Jerry, nowhere in the Bible does it say that Jesus Christ is an arch-angel, or Arch-messenger, or that His name is Michael. Only cults and heretics will try to strip Jesus of His Divinity, either in His humanity or in His manifestations in the Old Testament. You say what you do because you believe exactly as the Jehovah Witnesses who were taught by E.G. White, and like the Mormons. Always trying to cut down the Lord God Almighty. But you do it at the expense of your own soul.
---Mark_V. on 5/15/13


Nikki: "Angel means messenger."

Very good! Why is it that so many folks have such a hard time with Jesus being called Michael or Archangel, when He is called a plethora of names in the Bible - all the way from Wonderful, Counsellor to Good Shepherd, The Lamb, and The Vine? Why isn't someone screaming "No, Jesus isn't really a sheep!"?



---jerry6593 on 5/15/13


Christan, go to Gen 32:23-31.
I was always taught that Jacob/Israel fought an Angel, but it changed to God at the end of the fight.

Even the title of my paragraph states 'Struggle with the Angel'.
V 23 starts off the incident.

V 31 states Jacob named the place Peniel, "Because I have seen GOD FACE TO FACE," he said, "yet my life has been spared."

My footnotes states Peniel means: a variant of the word Penuel, the name of a town on the north bank of the Jabbok in Gilead (jgs 8, 8f. 17, 1kgs 12,25). The name is explained a meaning "the face of God," peni-el. Yet my life has been spared: seen note on Gn 16:13

Can God come to us in any form He wishes?
Please, no insults just opinion.
---Nikki on 5/14/13


Angel means messenger.

Jesus is the Word of God.
Messenger of God.

I don't think Francis is saying Jesus is a created being, but THE MESSENGER of God.
---Nikki on 5/14/13


Youre so foolish!
There stood by me this night the angel of God!
He is saying I serve God!
Whose I am, and whom I serve, God! He doesn't serve the angel, but God!
How would you possibly know that!

I thank God , whom I serve (period)
Is there something wrong with serving God?
Sorry I forgot who I was talking to.

But received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.
Anyone with the Spirit of God within them should be received as an angel of God.
Even as Christ Jesus.

OT or NT the angel of God is God ( Jesus)
Only to you and your, we serve no angel.
We worship, Jesus Christ my God and my Lord!
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/14/13




---christan on 5/14/13

Keep reading until you get to the part where the Angel of God says in Genesis 31:13 I am the God of Bethel,

Then do a bible cross reference

Acts 27:23 the angel of God, whose I am, and whom I serve,
2 Timothy 1:3 I thank God, whom I serve

Galatians 4:14 but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

OT or NT the angel of God is God ( Jesus)
---francis on 5/14/13


francis, your "meat" is giving you an upset stomach and blocking the oxygen to your brains which is giving you a problem in reading and understanding. Now, read slowly and carefully the verse YOU posted from Genesis 31:11,

"And THE ANGEL OF GOD spake unto me in a dream, saying, Jacob: And I said, Here am I."

It explicitly says: "THE ANGEL OF GOD", notice it didn't say, "the angel who is God" or "the angel who is Michael aka Jesus". Stick to what is being written. But with your overdose of "meat" and your need to worshiping angels, I doubt you can.
---christan on 5/14/13


Jesus is not the messenger (angel), He is the Message (the spoken Word).
---micha9344 on 5/14/13
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Malachi 3:1 and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

Malachi 3:2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he [is] like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Malachi 3:3 And he shall sit [as] a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.
---francis on 5/14/13


Jesus is not the messenger (angel), He is the Message (the spoken Word). Those that speak truth or are used to speak truth are the messengers (angels) of God. The Truth revealed is the Word, Jesus Christ.
"The LORD rebuke thee."
---micha9344 on 5/14/13


I can only wonder in disbelief, for your sake.
Why it is some cannot believe God can speak/talk to anyone.

Be it, out of the midst of the bush, animal, another man, the man himself, THREE MEN, an angel or even more than one angel.

And still not be the thing he is speaking though.
But the Spirit within what is speaking.
Because, God is a Spirit:
and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

You are looking for something you cannot see!
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him:
Even then you see, you cannot believe you see.
So you blind yourself, so as not to see. Rom_1:21!
Just more garbage!
---TheSeg on 5/14/13


You are kidding right? OH i am sorry. the reason you cannot see it is because you are Baptist. You are not allowed to believe what you read in the bible, only what you pastor tells you. SO why don't you ask him this Sunday and report back to us what he said.---francis on 5/14/13

I thought only Catholics had to get permission on what to believe or not believe?
---Nikki on 5/14/13


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francis, I did read genesis 31 and I yet to read where the angel is God.
---shira4368 on 5/13/13

You are kidding right? OH i am sorry. the reason you cannot see it is becaus eyou are baptist. You are not allowed to believe what youread in the bible, only what you pastor tells you. SO why don't you ask him this sunday and resport pack to us what he said.

Genesis 31:11 And the angel of God spake unto me in a dream, saying, Jacob: ...I am the God of Bethel,

While you are at it, ask him aboutthis verse also:

Acts 27:23 For there stood by me this night the angel of God, whose I am, and whom I serve,
2 Timothy 1:3 I thank God, whom I serve
---francis on 5/14/13


francis, no where in scripture even suggest God is an angel. tell me where it is found in the bible.
---shira4368 on 5/13/13


Genesis 31:11 And the angel of God spake unto me in a dream, saying, Jacob: And I said, Here am I.
Genesis 31:12 And he said, Lift up now thine eyes, and see, all the rams which leap upon the cattle are ringstraked, speckled, and grisled: for I have seen all that Laban doeth unto thee.

Genesis 31:13 I am the God of Bethel,
---francis on 5/13/13


amen Christian, francis is still in kindergarten. spiritually speaking hasn't even started to school yet. I have read the scripture you referred to and it says not one word about Jesus being an angel.
---shira4368 on 5/13/13


francis, I did read genesis 31 and I yet to read where the angel is God. maybe I don't interpret the same way as you so you can just believe whatever you feel like. we all know you don't believe like most on christianet believe.
---shira4368 on 5/13/13


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Shira I am appearing to you on this webpage.
Please tell francis, he will not understand!
address it, I am TheSeg of Brooklyn.

wouldn't your next post look something like this:

TheSeg appeared to me on a webpage.
You will not understand!
I am TheSeg of Brooklyn.

Note: This is not from you, but from me.
Neither does this make you, me. Does it!
You also have my authority to do it.

PS. I don't think you really have to do!
Unless you want to!
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/14/13


This is not that hard folks. The word "angel" in the Bible simply means "messenger". Most times Jesus (the arch-messenger) sends underlings with messages to His children, but sometimes He goes Himself. In such cases, He is the Messenger - the Angel.



---jerry6593 on 5/14/13


Francis, in order to argue, now you ask a very stupid question,

"If this is true, then which angel is Arch, greater, chief, First before Jesus?"

Jesus is God, no one is greater then God. NO ONE.
---Mark_V. on 5/14/13


Shira read Genesis 31 verses 11 to 14
---francis on 5/13/13


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francis, no where in scripture even suggest God is an angel. tell me where it is found in the bible.
---shira4368 on 5/13/13


the Angel of the Jehovah who is the Son of God appearing in the form of an angel. He is also called "The Angel of the Lord". He appeared many times as the Angel or as a man.
---Mark_V. on 5/12/13

If this is true, then which angel is Arch, greater, chief, First before Jesus?

If this is true then which of the anegsl if God or like God?

Only two angels are given nanes is the protestant Bible
Gabriel whcih means "warrior of God" or "man of God"
and Michael which means " Who is God," or "Who si like God"
---francis on 5/13/13


"Fail and you go back to preschool" francis

Another classic example of the words from a works monger. Talk about "the blind leading the blind". You still haven't even reply to Colossians 2:18, "Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind"

It just simply means that your understanding of Genesis 31:11-13 are nothing but that of a "beguile man". No one denies that the angels of God appeared and spoke to the OT prophets. But to elevate them and say they're God? It goes against Paul's teachings in Colossians 2:18
---christan on 5/13/13


---christan on 5/13/13
This is to get you out of grade school and into middle school

Who is the God of Bethel, and who is the Angel of God according to this passage?
Is the anegl of God and God the same person here?

Fail and you go back to preschool

Genesis 31:11 And the angel of God spake unto me in a dream, saying, Jacob: And I said, Here am I.
Genesis 31:12 And he said, Lift up now thine eyes, and see, all the rams which leap upon the cattle are ringstraked, speckled, and grisled: for I have seen all that Laban doeth unto thee.
Genesis 31:13 I am the God of Bethel,
---francis on 5/13/13


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francis, the meat you're eating is filled with worms and poison. Your "EXPAND" version of "Jude 1:9 Michael the archangel (JESUS), when contending with the devil...said, The Lord (FATHER) rebuke thee." Where in the Bible does it say "Michael the archangel (JESUS)"?

If this is what you call meat, thank you very much and keep to yourself. You can eat all you want and such is your "expansion" that the apostle John warned,

"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book", indeed, you have been warned!
---christan on 5/13/13


---aka on 5/13/13
Only those in unbelief do not get the The angel of God is Jesus, That was 100% clear when the angel of the Lord told Jacob that He is the God of Bethel. Paul said he served and belong to the Angel of God. Cults live in unbelive

---jerry6593 on 5/13/13
YES, they still believe in three wise man, all angels have wings, and that all the animals came into the Ark two by two

Jesus Christ is never mentioned to be Michael the Archangel---Mark_V. on 5/13/13

..the Angel of the Jehovah who is the Son of God appearing in the form of an angel. He is also called "The Angel of the Lord". He appeared many times as the Angel or as a man.
---Mark_V. on 5/12/

Stop fighting against yourself !!
---francis on 5/13/13


//--aka on 5/9/13
Here is the answer for which you seek:
take some time to think about it// francis

i already found the answer, and i've read what verses and half verses that you post over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and...

then, i read the preceding verse. it was much quicker and gave me the answer that i was looking for.

but, thanks. those deceived by a cult do have a way bringing out verses that I have only read over before. it gives God a chance to embed them in my heart.
---aka on 5/13/13


Francis: Do you ever get the feeling that you're in a kindergarten class trying to explain rocket science?



---jerry6593 on 5/13/13


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francis, as I said, you and all the cults will do anything to strip the Divine nature of Jesus Christ by attacking His humanity. Only cults do that and you just gave a good example of a heretic. In fact, you can be called an anti-christ.
Jesus Christ is never mentioned to be Michael the Archangel. Christ, the Second Person of the Trinity is the visible God of the New Testament. Neither the Father nor the Spirit is characteristically revealed in bodily and visible form. Christ the second Person, is the full manifestation of God in visible form. He appears in bodily form in both Testaments. Yet he is never mentioned to be Michael, that is only in your corrupt mind.
---Mark_V. on 5/13/13


--aka on 5/9/13
Here is the answer for which you seek:
take some time to think about it

Genesis 31:11 And THE ANGEL OF GOD spake unto me in a dream, saying, Jacob: And I said, Here am I.

Genesis 31:12 And he said, Lift up now thine eyes, and see, all the rams which leap upon the cattle are ringstraked, speckled, and grisled: for I have seen all that Laban doeth unto thee.

Genesis 31:13 I AM THE GOD OF BETHEL,

Acts 27:23 For there stood by me this night THE ANGEL OF GOD, whose I am, and whom I serve,

2 Timothy 1:3 I thank God, whom I serve
---francis on 5/12/13


Things come from God to Jesus. Jesus to directly to a human, or to an cherub or seraph, then to a human being.

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which GOD GAVE TO JESUS, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass, and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

That is why in this passage only Michael (who is Jesus) and the cherub alone knows this prophecy:

Daniel 10:21 there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.

God -> Jesus -> Cherub -> Human OR God-> Jesus-> Human

Matthew 24:36 of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Why doesn't Jesus know this?
---francis on 5/12/13


---TheSeg on 5/12/13
EXPAND:
Jude 1:9 Michael the archangel ( JESUS), when contending with the devil...said, The Lord ( FATHER) rebuke thee.

Psalms 110:1 The LORD ( FATHER)said unto my Lord ( JESUS), Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Zechariah 3:2 the LORD ( JESUS) said unto Satan, The LORD( FATHER) rebuke thee,

In each Passage it is Jesus and the Father
---christan on 5/12/13

Isaiah 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, and there a little:

stick with milk
---francis on 5/12/13


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Jerry, I don't see where we agree on anything you and I. Second, Michael is not another name for Jesus Christ. His name is Jesus, the Christ. No passage states He is called Michael, only the minds of SDA's, Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons, the reason the are cults. They always attack His Humanity, by trying to make Him lower then God. That is why I said you got the wrong Jesus. When He appeared as an angel He was God, when He appeared as a man, He was God. He never stopped being God at any time.
---Mark_V. on 5/12/13


Exactly! Angels are not to be worshipped, but their Captain - Michael, the Master of the angels - being God, IS to be worshiiped - as proved in Joshua 7:13-15.
Jerry

Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself?
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, "The Lord rebuke thee."

Right here! Michael the archangel, himself, is telling you.
I am not the Lord.

Everything you know is telling you angels are not to be worshipped!
Your own words:
Exactly! Angels are not to be worshipped!

But stand there and say Joshua, didn't know any better! The!
Now you know!
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/12/13


francis, I simply ask you to show us from the Holy Bible where it says "explicitly that Christ is called an angel of God" and you ramble on with verses that makes you none any wiser. You then concluded, "Putting these verses together: Jesus is the angel of God, the messenger of God."

None of those verses you quoted supports your theory one bit. Paul wrote, "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God... but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools"

You speak like a true SDA who worships the angel Michael. According to the law, that's an abomination to God. Go read Colossians 2:18.
---christan on 5/12/13


New Living Translation
Moses was with our ancestors, the assembly of God's people in the wilderness, when the angel spoke to him at Mount Sinai. And there Moses received life-giving words to pass on to us.

International Standard Version
This Moses is the one who was in the assembly in the wilderness with the angel who spoke to him on Mount Sinai and to our ancestors.

GOD'S WORD Translation
This is the Moses who was in the assembly in the desert. Our ancestors and the messenger who spoke to him on Mount Sinai were there with him. Moses received life-giving messages to give to us,

Exodus 31:18 he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony,...
---francis on 5/12/13


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//aka, maybe one day I'll ask God why I believe the way I do.// theSeg

i like to check the verses or half verses given. the true meaning is what precedes it. it really has helped with my understanding of something that cannot be understood.

i guess we cannot help with the way it reads. i tried to, but that is what it says.

for some reason the verse or half verses remains supreme over a sentence, paragraph, and chapter.

this verse especially caught my attention because of the preceding verse. at least one person in the world reads it like I do.
---aka on 5/12/13


---shira4368 on 5/11/13
I think you are attempting to ask me if I believe that Jesus is God.

yes Jesus is God, but Jesus is not the father. The name God is usually reserved for the Father especially in the NT

Romans 1:7 God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Romans 5:1 we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Romans 15:6 God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Information / messages / prophecies come from God the Father to God the Son, and sometimes God the son delivers the message himself, sometimes God the Son gives the message to a cherub or seraph, and that angel delivers the message, Sometimes Jesus acts as a messenger of the father

What does the word Angel mean?
---francis on 5/12/13


Shira, in the Scriptures, we have Christ the Lord very much present in the Old Testament. The word is called (theophany) coming from the Greek words for God (theos) and "to appear" (Phaino). Historically this word is use to discribe the appearance of Christ in the Old Testament. Another word use is epiphany ("appearance" to someone). In the Bible theophanies have reference specifically to Christ. Usually they are limited to appearances of Christ in the form of a man or angel. The principle theophany of the Old Testament is the Angel of the Jehovah who is the Son of God appearing in the form of an angel. He is also called "The Angel of the Lord". He appeared many times as the Angel or as a man.
---Mark_V. on 5/12/13


MarkV and The:

"No one is worshipped in Scripture but the Lord."

"I will Worship God, and only God!"

Glad that you both agree with me. The ONLY conclusion that we can derive from Jos 5 is that Michael the Archangel is indeed another name for Jesus who is indeed the Captain of the Lord's Host and indeed fully God.



---jerry6593 on 5/12/13


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Exodus 34:27 the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.

1Th 3:11 Now may our God and Father himself, and our Lord Jesus, direct our way to you,
1Th 3:12 and may the Lord make you increase and abound in love for one another and for all, as we do for you,
1Th 3:13 so that he may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before our God and Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus with all his saints.
---aka on 5/11/13


aka, maybe one day I'll ask God why I believe the way I do.
But I really believe I already know why.
This really doesn't stand in the wisdom of men, does it?

I'm not worry. If I understand him right, they will!
Even to the point of some saying before it's too late.
How can it ever be too late with God?
Yet, it would seem this is not what God is saying!

My soul and my mind are miles apart from each other, on this.
So far away, I think my soul can't hear what my mind is thinking.
God Bless
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/11/13


//If you don't think Jesus and God are the same, how did you get saved?
---shira4368 on 5/11/13//

The answer to that is obvious.

I told you that you would die in your sins, if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins - John 8:24

You can't expect a person to know the truth if they don't even have the Spirit of Truth because they reject that their own Creator came in the flesh to die for their sins.
---Jasheradan on 5/11/13


Matthew Henry
....the angel that spoke to him in the mount Sinai, and with our fathers--was with him in the holy mount twice forty days, with the angel of the covenant, Michael, our prince. Moses was in the church in the wilderness, but it was with the angel that spoke to him in mount Sinai,... for that was said to be at mount Sinai (v. 30), that angel went before him, and was guide to him, else he could not have been a guide to Israel, (Exod. xxiii. 20), I send an angel before thee, and Exod. xxxiii. 2. And see Num. xx. 16. He was in the church with the angel, without whom he could have done no service to the church, but Christ is himself that angel which was with the church in the wilderness, and therefore has an authority above Moses.
---francis on 5/11/13


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Malachi 3:1 the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in:

Matthew 21:12 And Jesus went into the temple of God,

It should be clear to anyone, that this " messenger of the covenant" is Jesus who would come to his temple, who Israel delights in.

Exodus 34:27 the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.

Judges 2:1 an angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said,...I will never break my covenant with you.

Putting these verses together:
Jesus is the angel of God, the messenger of God.
---francis on 5/11/13


//Everybody believes HE is Moses.// theSeg

not everybody.
---aka on 5/11/13


Judges 2:1 an angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers, and I said, I will never break my covenant with you.

Exodus 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt,

Exodus 23:20 Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not, for he will not pardon your transgressions: MY NAME IS IN HIM.

1: Which cherub or seraph brought Israel out of Egypt?
2: Which cherub or seraph made a covenant with Israel?
3: In which Cherub or Seraph is God's name?
---francis on 5/11/13


francis, you don't even know how to read God's Word. Jesus is NOT an angel. Jesus is NOT on the same level as angels. Jesus is GOD IN THE FLESH. in one of your blog answers you said there is no scripture concerning food then you post a verse about the opposite. If you don't think Jesus and God are the same, how did you get saved? we don't get saved by angels.
---shira4368 on 5/11/13


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Acts 27:23 For there stood by me this night THE ANGEL OF GOD, whose I am, and whom I serve,

Does Paul belonged to, serve and worship a seraph or cherub?

Colossians 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of seraph or cherub

Romans 1:9 For God is my witness, whom I serve

2 Timothy 1:3 I thank God, whom I serve

Paul uses the name " Angel of God" to speak about Jesus.

A discussion as to who the Angel of God is, is for the men, those who have put away childish thoughts of an angel being only a cherub or seraph.

It is for those who know that the word angel means messenger of God, and applies to the Son of God, as well as the cherubs and seraph.
---francis on 5/11/13


"and that Jesus is an angel of God" francis

Truly fascinating! Would you like to put your "money where your mouth is" and show us where in the Bible does it explicitly say that Jesus Christ "is an angel of God"?

This bearing in mind that angels are created spiritual beings from God. So in essence, you have come out in the open denying that Jesus Christ is God (who's eternal and One with the Father) when you say He's "an angel of God".

One verse alone establishes that you're a liar, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD WAS GOD."
---christan on 5/11/13


DEAL WITH IT
francis

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ.

Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.

You still don't understand!
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/11/13


1 Cor 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

Animals came into the ark two by two: Genesis 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens,

Matthew 2:1 there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

three wise men, because of three types of gift

Isaiah 6:2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings,

as a child you were talk that all angels have wings

TIME TO PUT AWAY CHILDISH THINGS

Jesus, the son of God, who is God, is also The Angel of God: Michael The Arch Angel

Michael: who is like God: Col 1:15
Arch: Chief: Daniel 10:13
Angel: Messenger: Malachi 3:1
---francis on 5/11/13


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Malachi 3:1 the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in:

Jesus is referred to as both the Lord, and the messenger of the covenant

Genesis 22:11 And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven,... he said,...now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.

Genesis 31:11 And the angel of God spake unto me in a dream, saying, Jacob: And I said,... I am the God of Bethel,

Notice that The angel of God , is God which is Jesus

Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants

See how Jesus acts as a messenger of God / Angel of God
---francis on 5/11/13


---TheSeg on 5/11/13
Joshua 5:14 And he said, Nay, but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship,

Acts 27:23 For there stood by me this night the angel of God, whose I am, and whom I serve,

You think Paul was worshiping a cherub or seraph, Or Paul belonged to or served a Seraph or Cherub?

Galatians 4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected, but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

Here Paul is letting us know that he is a messenger of God, and that Jesus is an angel of God

DEAL WITH IT
---francis on 5/11/13


Jerry, then you Worship him?
I will Worship God, and only God!

Michael is the Archangel is not God, a God or anything to be Worship!
But a servant of God, deal with it, yourself!
For I don't care who you Worship, if it's not God

Act 18:12 And when Gallio was the deputy of Achaia, the Jews made insurrection with one accord against Paul, and brought him to the judgment seat,
Act 18:13 Saying, This fellow persuadeth men to worship God contrary to the law.

Act 18:14 And when Paul was now about to open his mouth, Gallio said unto the Jews, If it were a matter of wrong or wicked lewdness, O ye Jews, reason would that I should bear with you:
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/11/13


Acts 6:11 Then they suborned men, which said, We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses, and against God... And set up false witnesses, which said, This man ceaseth not to speak blasphemous words against this holy place, and the law:

Stephen recalls God relationship with Israel starting with Abraham, and down to Solomon

He spends a lot of time talking about Moses and the relationship between Moses and God, and how God through his Son Jesus, The angel of the Lord, gave Moses the ten commandments and the plans for the earthly sanctuary

He them goes on to talk about the temple built by Solomon, he ends by saying that the earthly sanctuary is now useless since God does not dwell in temples made by hands
---francis on 5/11/13


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Jerry, your deep in apostasy that you will give worship to Michael the Archangel. Are you reading E.G. Whites bible?
No one is worshipped in Scripture but the Lord. Only He gets worship. He is the Commander of the army of God the Father. Why do you think Joshua fell on his face? Read (5:15 and Ex. 3:2,5). The Lord Jesus Christ in a pre-incarnate appearance (Christophany). He came as the Angel (messenger) of God the Father, as if He were a man (the one of 3 angels in Gen. 18). The Commander (Jesus Christ) sword drawn, showed a posture indicating He was set to give Israel victory over the Canaanites (6:2) so read ( 1:3)
"Every place that the sole of your foot will tread upon I have given you, as I said to Moses"
---Mark_V. on 5/11/13


The problem some are having with Acts 7:38 is that they fail to read it in context from the beginning of the chapter. Stephen was giving an account of Exodus in Egypt and the wilderness. Verse 37 speaks about the prophesy of the coming Christ (who's God).

Anytime the Bible says God, it must be understood it includes the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit, for the are One.

Note verse 52, "and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One, of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers"

The Bible is all about Jesus Christ and no one else.
---christan on 5/10/13


Maybe the same place you found Christ talking to the angel.
Does it say Christ was talking to the angel? No right

But lets see.
Acts_7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina

No! I believe it says He was with the angel.
And may I add may the Lord be with you also!

And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.

Search the scriptures, for in them ye think ye have eternal life
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/10/13


1 Cor 13:11 When I was a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things

Some of you are still holding on to the childish idea that the animals came into the ark two by two.

You need to put away the childish idea that angels are winged created being, and adopt the adult idea that angels are messengers of God, be they seraphims, cherubims, the Son of God, or a human being ( EvANGEList)

Notice how the revelation comes from God, to His Son / Jesus who acts as The Angel /messenger of God, and gives the revelation to another angel to give to John

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, ... and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
---francis on 5/10/13


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"who is the 'he' mentioned in the verse?" Moses.
---josef on 5/10/13

Yup
---Jasheradan on 5/11/13


Mr. Seg: (Is your first name really "The"?)

"Maybe it was your Minor, a God, Michael."

Michael is the Archangel - The Captain of the LORD's Host. He was worshipped as God by Joshua in Jos 5:13-15. No other angel is ever worshipped.



---jerry6593 on 5/11/13


---TheSeg on 5/10/13
LOL LOL well what can i say

Acts 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

where is my OT reference text:
Where I can i find Jesus talking to the angel who gave moses the ten commandments:

Exodus 31:12 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,...

Exodus 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God
---francis on 5/10/13


Maybe it was your Minor, a God, Michael.
I dont know youre a Saint, you tell me.

Youre closer to God then anyone I know.
Youve made that clear to everyone, havent you?
You dont have any sin, neither do you sin, because, you keep all of his commandments.

Didnt you say?
I am one of the saints: they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
So if you have the faith of Christ, because you keep it, wouldnt you know?

I mean who better to ask than a real live Saint.
You are a saint right, Yes! There it is, I am one of the saints!
Or arent you allowed to tell all us sinner?

What is your wisdom?
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/10/13


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This is he(Christ)
That was in the church in the wilderness with the angel
which spake to him(Moses)
---TheSeg on 5/10/13

very well said

All that remains is to find the angel which spoke ot "HIM", and plug the angels name where it says angel and see how it reads
---francis on 5/10/13


Everybody believes HE is Moses.
But the line right before that says:
This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel.

(Moses is talking)
A prophet shall the Lord your "God raise up"(Christ) unto you of your brethren, like unto me, "him shall ye hear."(Talking about Christ and Christ said as much Joh_10:27)
(So how does it go back to Moses?)

This is he(Christ)
That was in the church in the wilderness with the angel
which spake to him(Moses)

I know everyone says it was Moses.
But I don't believe Stephen was there to talk about Moses!
He was there talking about Christ. So they killed him!
Simple

Hey, what do I know? I'm just a simpleton myself.
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/10/13


The question would then be who spoke ot Moses and our fathers in mount sinia:

Numbers 1:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses in the wilderness of Sinai

Numbers 1:19 As the LORD commanded Moses, so he numbered them in the wilderness of Sinai.

Deuteronomy 4:12 And the LORD spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude, only ye heard a voice.
Acts 7:38 This is he ( MOSES from verse 37), that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel ( JESUS) which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
---francis on 5/10/13


Acts 7:38 This is he ( MOSES from verse 37), that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel ( JESUS) which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

Exodus 24:16 And the glory of the LORD abode upon mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it six days: and the seventh day he called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud.

Exodus 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God

If that does not settle it, then this should

Numbers 1:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses in the wilderness of Sinai,
---francis on 5/10/13


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Interesting concept willie c.
We can agree that Jesus was and is, in all ways, human.
But, here is where I think the foundational disagreement lies: Was or Is He, in all ways, angel?
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
---micha9344 on 5/10/13


Moses.

By the way, Jesus is called "the Man Jesus Christ", in 1 Timothy 2:5. But this doesn't mean He is only a human.

Like this, if at times He is called the "Angel of the LORD", this does not mean He is only an angel.

Jesus is "the Son of God" (1 John 4:15), and angels are less than He is > Hebrews 1:4-6. And all judgment has been committed to Jesus, "that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father," we have in John 5:23.
---willie_c: on 5/10/13


"who is the 'he' mentioned in the verse?" Moses.
---josef on 5/10/13


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