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What is the explanation of the seeming contradiction between the Verses of ACTS 9:7 and ACTS 22:9?

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Cliff, you give too much glory to Satan. He is a beaten foe whose power, in comparison to God's is but a flickering ember.

In reality, though I am reasonably logical, I am a product of faith. It is faith that saves, not logic. Logic is at best the product of fallen man's brain.

No the Bible is not an idol to me but the only Truth that exists, it is my light.
---Warwick on 5/17/13


Thanks, Jasheradan, that was an awesome breath of fresh air.
---barb on 5/17/13


barb, you have no clue what I'm saying and what the Bible is talking about. You say Jesus in Revelation tells the Churches to overcome. You read it and still do not understand it. "The churches" not individuals. The churches as a whole were corrupt. When He knock, He knock on the door of the Church. if there was one who could hear He would come in.
Those who are saved are overcomers.
"For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world --Our faith. And who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God" (1 John 5:4,5).
Second, Jesus is the Word of God, the Bible is the Word of God testifying about God and His creation.
---Mark_V. on 5/17/13


"The word Christian was used as a derogatory term in those days." - Jasheradan

I don't know what sect you are speaking for or about. But the Holy Bible is very specific, whether you see it as an instruction or a command, it matter night. This is what we are told in Acts 11:26, "And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called CHRISTIANS first in Antioch."

Take it how you will, but there's a reason why the Spirit of God chose to write this particular verse. And isn't Christian mean one is a follower of Christ? CHRIST-ian? So what do you call yourself then?
---christan on 5/17/13


barb, the problem you have with Revelation 12:17, 14:12 & 22:14 is you think "keeping the commandments" is implying your obedience to the law which will get you into heaven. To say that "Jesus give John all that wrong information" is totally erroneous on your part.

This is what Romans 10:4 declares, "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.", meaning because Christ fulfilled the law on behalf of His people, by faith in Him is the Christian deemed to have "kept the commandments of God".

I'm sure you're taught that you can lose your salvation if you do not keep the law, right?
---christan on 5/17/13




Of course not everyone is seeking God but those who do so with all of their heart will find Him.
Sometimes we have to put our preconceived ideas aside so that we can hear the Truth.
---barb on 5/16/13

You're my fav on this thread Barb.
As per your verse above some seek him with all their logic...which is not their heart. So they cannot "see".

These preconceived ideas for many are the crumbling foundations laid by men who started doctrines that have an appearance of a building but lack mortar of witnesses. A skeptic, cynical doubter and believer is found in John 20:25.
I'm skeptical of all self anointed, chant & rant preachers found unscriptural by their own witness.
You seek/find girl....
---Trav on 5/17/13


"I'm a follower of Jesus and do not call myself a Christian." barb

How on earth does that even make sense? How does one follow Christ and is not known as a Christian? What hypocrisy!
--- Christan

The word Christian was used as a derogatory term in those days. Studying a little history might help you understand the scriptures a little better. There are no instructions for being a "Christian" in the word of God. However there is a vast amount of instruction on how to be a disciple of Christ or follower of Christ.

Generally people who are followers of Christ have a much clearer understanding of scripture since they arent constantly grieving /quenching the Holy Spirit within them.
---Jasheradan on 5/16/13


Mark V, the Word of God is Jesus Christ, not the bible, Rev. 19:13, John 1:14. Yes, you are right I don't have a clue what you are talking about because I am using the Words of Jesus and you are using the words of Paul and never the twain shall meet.

Have you read Rev 2 and 3? What is Jesus talking about when He tells the seven churches that they must overcome? Overcome what? Is overcoming not a work? What does Jesus mean in Rev. 2:16 when He tells the church at Pergamos to repent or He will fight against them with the sword in His mouth? Aren't they made righteous thru faith? Why does Jesus say that He will spit the Laodiceans out of His mouth? Why doesn't faith thru grace save them? What is the meaning of Rev 22:12?
---barb on 5/16/13


Christian, if what you say is true and Christ is the end of the law for righteousness, then why in the world did Jesus give John all that wrong information in Rev. 12:17, Rev. 14:12 and Rev. 22:14? Can you explain those verses to me cause I really don't have a clue?
---barb on 5/16/13


barb, you are obviously unawares and untaught that there are two kinds of "righteousness". One is the man's righteousness outside of faith and the other Christ's (who's God) righteousness.

The man's righteousness is explicitly declared in Isaiah 64:6 as "But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags, and we all do fade as a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away."

As for Noah and the saints, the "righteousness" declared by God is because of Noah's faith in God, not earned through works. Similarly Paul wrote, "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."
---christan on 5/16/13




Warwick, You give the WTBTS too much credit for my skepticism. I learned more since I left than I did with them! I am a product of logic! Satan has not yet been bound! "Walks about like a roaring lion" bible says! There's not one shred of evidence that God has prevented him from "tampering" You are simply surmising! Is the bible an idol to you? (even translators tamper,.. right?)
Do you actually believe there are NO spurious verses?
If so, which translation would that be?
---1st_cliff on 5/16/13


Cliff, having been mauled by the WTS you have had reason to be sceptical-once bitten, twice shy. This has left you a BiblioSceptic which will not allow you to have the simple acceptance Jesus desires. As Jesus said "anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it" Mark 10:15.

Do you imagine God has not thwarted Satan, and cannot do it again, and again, if necessary?

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God, as Scripture says. How much time do you spend reading through His word?
---Warwick on 5/16/13


ROMANS 5:19 - For by ones man's disobedience many were made sinners, So by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

ROMANS 2:29 - But he is a jew which is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not of men, and not in the letter ,but of God.

EZEKIEL 36:26 - A new heart also I will give you, and a new spirit will I put in you , I will take away the stoney heart out of your flesh, I will give you an heart of flesh.

PROVERBS 20:9 - Who can say I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin ?

{ God does the Work - God first has to change there heart and soul }
---RICHARDC on 5/16/13


barb, you have no clue what I am talking about. You can string many words together and none of it is true, and what you say is not in the Word of God (the Bible). Paul wrote 13 books which are found in the New Testament. Your books I didn't find any.
You say Noah and Enoch were righteous, of course they were righteous, because they were saved by grace through Faith. Only those who are saved are righteous, and justified before God. I was speaking of the lost and "no one lost seeks after God." Only believers seek after God because they have faith in Him. Jesus said, only His sheep hear His voice and they follow Him. Unbelievers are not His sheep. If you had faith in the Word of God you would know that.
---Mark_V. on 5/16/13


Mark V, Paul has strung a bunch of old testament verses together and tried to prove a point. Any of us could do the same. No one righteous? What about Noah? Gen 7:1 "for thee I have seen righteous before me in this generation." What about Enoch who was called blameless and perfect?

God does promise that those who seek Him with all their heart and soul will find Him. Duet 4:29. Jer 29:13 "And you shall seek me and find me when you search for me with all your heart".

Of course not everyone is seeking God but those who do so with all of their heart will find Him. Sometimes we have to put our preconceived ideas aside so that we can hear the Truth. John 8:12, John 14:6.
---barb on 5/16/13


Warwick, Cynical I'm not,suspicious I am, because we're in a battle of the mind! The enemy has bequilled the masses,as Hitler is reputed to have said "the bigger the lie, the more people believe it"
You imagine satan is not clever enough to plant a "mole" ? In the military we learned never underestimate the enemy!
Spiritual warfare is no different.
If you don't question what is written, you are putty in his hands!
---1st_cliff on 5/15/13


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1st Cliff, can you hear yourself talking? You claim to be a Christian? Wow, what hypocrisy and lie you lead. If satan has anyone by the "palm of his hands", it's one who does not believe the Holy Bible is the written word of God, which is what you are proclaiming. If you don't believe the Holy Bible is from God, woe be to you is all that I can say.

Imagine calling yourself a Christian and having the audacity to then say, "It's obvious that satan considers people like you "a piece of cake. You'll believe anything if it's written on holy paper!"

And you're a believer? Believer of what? Yourself? Is there even such a thing as "holy paper"? That's how void you are of faith from God.
---christan on 5/16/13


barb, you say "He enlightens the ignorant who seek Him with all their heart and soul."
I know you do not believe this but God does not choose anyone because of anything they do, for we are not save by any of our works of righteous deeds. Seeking God is not a part of those who are lost.
"As it is written:
There is none righteous, no, not one"
There is none who understands,
There is none who seeks after God,"
They have all turned aside,
They have together become unprofitable,
There is none who does good, no, not one,"
(Rom. 3:10-12). quotations from the Old Testament.
---Mark_V. on 5/16/13


Cliff, gullible beats cynical every day.

I trust all God's word, but as a Christian I did not always, being of a sceptical, cynical nature. However after being antiChristian I made a commitment to Jesus, asking for forgiveness. A weight was immediately lifted from my shoulders. The memory is there but the hurt and guilt is gone. I began with little faith which has grown greatly from constant study of all His word-Romans 10:17. I am astounded at His word's accuracy and integrity.

Similarly I have come to know and absolutely trust my wife of many decades. I would happily put my life in her hands any day.

Both of these are a result of intimacy. Love does not grow in an attitude of cynicism, and scepticism.
---Warwick on 5/15/13


Christian, It's obvious that satan considers people like you "a piece of cake". You'll believe anything if it's written on holy paper!
So gullible!
---1st_cliff on 5/15/13


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Scott1, I have to agree with Barb in that Genesis is quoted from or alluded to, by Jesus and the apostles, all throughout the NT. In fact they quote from Genesis no less than 200 times, and always as sober historical fact.
---Warwick on 5/15/13


1stCliff, the conversion of Paul from a persecutor of Christ to a Christian was a one time event to simply tell us that Paul was "a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel", confirming the doctrine of Sovereign Election which is unconditional. So you can forget it happening to a Muslim or Hindu.

"You believe God picked him because "he said so"????"

You may think you are questioning Paul's account of his conversion but in actual fact, you are calling the account in the Word of God a big fat lie. Good for you.
---christan on 5/15/13


Mark V, why do you think Jesus used sheep to identify His followers? Are sheep known for their intelligence? No, but they are known to flee from the enemy. God does not choose "smart" people, He enlightens the ignorant who seek Him with all their heart and soul.

On the other hand, goats are known to be stubborn and to butt their heads against the wall.
---barb on 5/15/13


OK Mark, Supposing a Muslim or Hindu fell off his camel and said he talked to Jesus,would you believe him, especially if he still hung on to his beliefs?
Paul said "I AM" a Pharisee, son of a Pharisee (not used to be, or once was)Acts 23.6.
You believe God picked him because "he said so"????
So did Muhammad !
So did Joseph Smith
So did Ellen G White
So did Mary Baker Eddy
etc. etc....
---1st_cliff on 5/14/13


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barb, when you were lost in your sins, you say,

"God did not pick me, I chose to follow Him thru the instructions He left which can be found in John 3, John 10, John 15 and all thru the writings of His eyewitness disciples."

You say God did not bring you to salvation. You, out of your own free will, and out of the goodness of your heart, you decided one day to have saving faith, and allow Jesus to save you. That makes you smarter then those who are not saved. Why do you think God made the other stupid? Because you are smarter. Wasn't it God who made you that way? And when you are on your knees, do you ask God to save your family members? Or do you just leave them to save themselves?
---Mark_V. on 5/15/13


Scott, I don't have a problem with Genesis because Jesus spoke of Abraham, Noah and others mentioned in the book. Jesus also referred to Moses' writings in John 5:46 and he spoke of the Law and the Prophets many times so I trust the Pentateuch.

As for Judges, Chronicles, Ruth, Samuel, etc., I believe they are more histories than lessons. They do not, at least to me, affect salvation.
---barb on 5/14/13


Mark V, I have never seen anyone here who thinks that Satan is equal to or has more power than God. Jesus tells us very plainly who Satan is in John 14:30 "Hereafter, I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world is coming and has NOTHING in me". Satan does not have the power of God but he is the prince of this world. God allows Satan to deceive because He does not want a bunch of robots who have no choice but to love and worship Him.

God did not pick me, I chose to follow Him thru the instructions He left which can be found in John 3, John 10, John 15 and all thru the writings of His eyewitness disciples.

I am not hand picked or predestined like you. No, I am a lowly sheep following my Shepherd.
---barb on 5/14/13


Nikki, Christan was responding to barb, not you. I have also made that mistake myself when I answer someone for a long time, and answer somone else, I also forget I am not answering someone else.--Mark_V. on 5/14/13

Take it easy.
I myself had to apologize to someone for mixing him up with someone else.

That's why I was teasing him when told him he had me on his mind.
I knew he made a mistake.

I AM SORRY CHRISTAN, if you didn't get my tease.
I didn't mean anything of your honest mistake.
---Nikki on 5/14/13


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//no trouble embracing Saul of Tarsus//
---1st_cliff on 5/14/13

What about Nicodemus in John CH 3 starting to become a "christian" a "follower" by CH 19:39, he was a chief pharisee also history tells that the rich young ruler was a pharisee and became a follower in the early church.

Also Barb and 1stCliff if you do not like 2nd hand stories you also need to get rid of Gensis written by Moses after the fact, Judges written by Samuel, 2nd Samuel not written by Samuel, 1 and 2 Chronicles written by Ezra, Ruth takes place during time of Judges written by Samuel during David's time, Deuteronomy was not in the writing style of Moses, it is a speech.
---Scott1 on 5/14/13


Since evangelical fundamentalists have no trouble embracing Saul of Tarsus then they will support a Muslim as a next great Christian leader (who still believes the Qoran???)
See the parallel?---1st_cliff on 5/14/13

No, can you tell me more.
You have my interest.
---Nikki on 5/14/13


Nikki, Christan was responding to barb, not you. I have also made that mistake myself when I answer someone for a long time, and answer somone else, I also forget I am not answering someone else.
People here seem to think that satan has more power or equal power with God Almighty. They forget that God uses evil to bring good. Satan does not convert anyone to his family, all descendants of Adam are born into his family. It takes for a supernatural miracle by God to convert them to the family of God, by drawing them to Himself and turning them over to Christ.
1Cliff is shocked that God would pick a Pharisee like Paul to do His work, yet they forget God picked them when they were sinners themselves.
---Mark_V. on 5/14/13


Since evangelical fundamentalists have no trouble embracing Saul of Tarsus then they will support a Muslim as a next great Christian leader (who still believes the Qoran???)
See the parallel?
---1st_cliff on 5/14/13


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Nikki, and satan planting the tares among the wheat makes him more powerful then God? Seriously? Have you not read what God declared about evil?---christan on 5/13/13

Have me on your mind, huh?

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

I am lost.
---Nikki on 5/13/13


Christian, don't blame Nikki, I wrote that piece about the wheat and the tares and I am not a Roman Catholic.

Satan's sowing of the tares was within the will and purpose of God or it would never have happened. How else would we know the truth if there were no lies to compare it to? Just as God allowed the serpent into the Garden of Eden, He allowed the tares to grow right along with the wheat. The difference is not even noticed until Harvest time which is at the end of the age.

1st Cliff, me and many others can see the difference so the Harvest must be getting close. Did you even take the time to read the parable that Jesus told and explained in detail to His followers?

---barb on 5/13/13


James, You need to wear your glasses when responding to blogs..I said immortality of the "soul" not spirit. Is the wind, air breath (pneuma-spirit) immortal???
---1st_cliff on 5/13/13


Nikki, and satan planting the tares among the wheat makes him more powerful then God? Seriously? Have you not read what God declared about evil?

"The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil." Proverbs 16:4, "...the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass, I have purposed it, I will also do it." Isaiah 46:11

And you seriously think that satan planting the tares among the wheat happened outside of the will and purpose of God? Good for you. That's typical of the RC teachings, fear satan rather than "fear God".
---christan on 5/13/13


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James L, no there is no indictation that Isaiah's face shone, neither is there any indictation that he was struck blind.

Ezekiel 3:26 "I will make your tongue stick to the roof of your mouth, so that you shall be mute and unable to reprove them, for they are a rebellius house." God did not want Ezekiel to rebuke them until He opened his mouth and put His words into Ezekiel`s mouth, verse 27.

What is the reason for Paul`s blindness? What explanation did the light give Paul for blinding him?
---barb on 5/13/13


Christian, you ask if God would allow Satan to coruupt His truth? Have you ever read the parable of the wheat and tares? Who planted the wheat (truth) and who planted the tares (lies)? Matt 13:37-43. Verse 39, "the enemy that sowed them is the devil".

Who scatters the sheep? John 10:12, Matt 7:15.
---barb on 5/13/13


1stCliff, you give satan too much credit. Have you not read what Peter wrote? "And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed." 1 Peter 2:8

Reprobates are created and predestined for a purpose, and that's to be disobedient to the Word of God, which is acted out in unbelief which leads to eternal death. You forget, satan's main purpose of existence is to "deceive" the world and for you to believe that satan is more powerful then God Almighty, you've already been deceived.

Think carefully, would God "allow" satan to corrupt His Truth?
---christan on 5/13/13


Did Paul's face shine?
---barb

John 12:41
These things Isaiah said because he saw His (Christ's) glory, and he spoke of Him.

The reference is to Isaiah 6, where Isaiah said:
(v5) Woe is me, for I am ruined!
Because I am a man of unclean lips,
And I live among a people of unclean lips
For my eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts.


Isaiah saw the glory of Christ, too. Is there any indication that his face shone like Moses' ?


\\Didn't Jesus heal the blind? Did He ever blind anyone else?\\
---barb on 5/12/13

Ezekiel was made mute when He saw the glory of God (Ezek 3:22-27). Didn't Jesus heal a mute man too? - (Matt 9:32-33)
Why the need to make Ezekiel mute?
---James_L on 5/12/13


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\\Jesus denounced Phariseeism, Then turns around and picks one??\\
---1st_cliff on 5/12/13

You mean Pharis"a"ism ??

I think Cluny once said to someone that if you can't spell it right, you probably don't know enough about it to be a trusted source

Nevertheless, Jesus warned against the leaven of the Pharisees, their teachings (Matt 16:6 & 12)

Did He ever elaborate ?? YES

Matt 23:13-33 EIGHT woes. HOW MANY concerning the immortality of the spirit ?? ZERO

BIG FAT NADA

Woe to you, Russellites, because you travel around on sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.
---James_L on 5/13/13


barb, you say to Christan,

" So, why are there so many denominations in the world if we all following the same Shepherd. John 10:1-5."

One reason why there is so many denominations is because of people that think like you do. You will not except parts of the Bible. Only what was spoken by Jesus and not what was written by other writers of Scripture.
Other people do the same. Or they change one small non-essential of the Christian faith. Every denomination has a reason. God does not care about denominations, He is only interested in the individuals. Denominations are not making it to heaven, only individuals saved by the grace of God.
---Mark_V. on 5/13/13


Christian, You're like the blind leading the blind and totally naive if you think for one second that satan could not corrupt any bible writings!
---1st_cliff on 5/12/13


"...Jesus denounced Phariseeism, then...picks one?? All pharisees believed in the soul immortality (in the body, out of the body, etc). That's not supported in Scripture! Secondly a non Jew,[?] non Apostle [?] wrote all this down as 2nd hand info.,Inspired??? It's like the non existing "plates" of Joseph Smith!"
---1st_cliff on 5/12/13


Really?! Based on what you said you don't believe all Scripture, as relates to Paul, is inspired of GOD.

Isn't it true God looks on & knows the hearts of men? Can't He choose who He wants to fulfill His will & purposes? Afterall He, not we, is GOD!

Your rejection of Paul goes much deeper than what you've said, but that's between you & GOD. Peace! :)
---Leon on 5/12/13


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Leon, You are very perceptive!
Jesus denounced Phariseeism, Then turns around and picks one?? All pharisees believed in the immortality of the soul (in the body, out of the body etc) that is not supported in scripture!
Secondly a non Jew, non Apostle wrote all this down as 2nd hand information.,Inspired??? it's like the non existing "plates" of Joseph Smith!
---1st_cliff on 5/12/13


"I'm a follower of Jesus and do not call myself a Christian." barb

How on earth does that even make sense? How does one follow Christ and is not known as a Christian? What hypocrisy! "And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch." Acts 11:26

"**when the bible declares..** The bible doesn't declare anything, the ones who wrote in it did the declaring." 1stCliff

Who spoke through the prophets? Was it not God through His Spirit? Was it then not God declaring what He needed to say? You're really above the pile compared to barb - a hypocrite and blasphemer.
---christan on 5/12/13


I have some more questions. Why wasn't Moses blind when He came down from the mountain? His face shone but he still had his sight. Did Paul's face shine? Didn't Jesus heal the blind? Did He ever blind anyone else? Why didn't He heal Paul instead of sending him to someone else for healing? How come the men with Paul who saw the light weren't blinded?
---barb on 5/12/13


barb,
I'm not trying to make the story say anything at all. Instead, I look for chronology from the commonality:

I heard a voice saying to me in the Hebrew dialect, Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?......But get up and stand on your feet (ch 26)

This is the crux of the story in all 3 accounts.

In ch 26, they all fell down because of the light - BEFORE Jesus spoke

In ch 9, it is AFTER Jesus told Saul to get up that the others stood speechless, then Saul got up.

Jesus and Saul spoke back and forth for a few mintues. The other men (after they got up) stood speechless, probably because Saul was talking to this undiscernable sound
---James_L on 5/12/13


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James L, replying to your explanation of the falling down or standing men, I would have to say that I am going by the facts stated and not trying to make the story say what I want it to say. I wonder how Paul would know that the men fell down and then stood up if he was blinded.
---barb on 5/12/13


Just wondering:

- It appears Saul was the only one who fell to the ground. Was he ahead of, behind or in the midst of the men when the light shined around him? Maybe the other men distanced themselves from him because they thought he'd been struck by lightning!

- How close in proximity was Saul to the other men when Jesus engaged him in conversation? Distance from speakers can obviously impede the hearing of others, especially if there are trees & other obstructions that block or deflect sound waves. The aforementioned conditions can also significantly impact what one can see.

- What was their mode of transportation? Were they walking and/or riding on the backs of horses/donkeys?
---Leon on 5/12/13


Christian, I'm a follower of Jesus and do not call myself a Christian. As a follower of Jesus, I have to question the events in the bible when they do not agree with the Law and the Prophets and the Words of Jesus as given to us by the eyewitness disciples.

Yes, Jesus promised His disciples (followers) that the Holy Spirit would guide them into all truth. Jesus prayed for His present and future followers (us) in John 17:20 and He also prays for His Father to sanctify us in Truth, John 17:17. He goes on to pray that we will all be one and have unity in Him. So, why are there so many denominations in the world if we all following the same Shepherd. John 10:1-5.

---barb on 5/12/13


"And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, HEARING A VOICE, but seeing no man" Acts 9:7

"And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid, but they HEARD NOT THE VOICE OF HIM THAT SPAKE TO ME." Acts 22:9

In 9:7 they heard "A" voice, but it does not say whos voice they heard or thought they heard, or even if they heard words as opposed to other vocal sounds.

And 22:9 is specific, the voice of HIM that spoke to me (Christ).

Whatever they heard, it seems to simply mean that they did not recognize Christ, indicated by the voice of HIM THAT SPOKE to me
---Chria9396 on 5/12/13


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Christian **when the bible declares..**
The bible doesn't declare anything, the ones who wrote in it did the declaring.
An attempt at sanctimony!
---1st_cliff on 5/12/13


"However, if someone is reading the flawed King James Version the details do look different and conflicted." JamesL

Now the Holy Bible of the KJV is flawed? So which version to you think is not flawed or is there any version other then your RC version?

Seriously, if there's anything that's flawed in this world is mankind after the fall or do you also not believe this? The only thing that's truthful and accurate is the Holy Bible which we are told is God breathed and inspired by His Holy Spirit.

And if that you cannot believe when told by the Holy Bible, you're deserving the wrath of God.
---christan on 5/12/13


"If no one saw who Paul was talking to and no one heard the conversation, Why should anyone believe him??
500 witnesses were reputed to have seen the burning cross in the sky and the words In Hoc Vinces with Constantine....but turns out he was the only one who actually saw it !!!!"
---1st_cliff on 5/11/13


I'm reasonably sure you didn't know Paul personally, so I can only conclude that he has said something(s) in his writings that significantly goes against your grain (your core beliefs), thereby seriously offending you Cliff. What is it?!
---Leon on 5/12/13


\\your advise to people is to "take it with a grain of salt"?\\
---christan on 5/11/13


What I agreed with is if the details are different we should take them with a grain of salt

I had explained that the details AREN'T different, they just aren't all included in every account. That's why I asked if every detail needs to be recounted every time he tells the story.

However, if someone is reading the flawed King James Version the details do look different and conflicted
---James_L on 5/12/13


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Bro. Christan, I agree with your statement very much. How can a Christian believer, ever believe in the Word of God if they have no faith in the Word of God? How can they live their lives walking with Christ, when they don't know how to walk? God speaks to the believer through His Word, and they don't have faith in His Word. How can they argue Scripture if they don't believe in Scripture?
I can understand 1Cliff and athiest arguing, they always speak from the flesh, what they see themselves with their own eyes, But with faith,
"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen" (Heb. 11:1). What many need is a sign so they can believe.
---Mark_V. on 5/12/13


barb & JamesL - so, when the Bible declares, "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.", your advise to people is to "take it with a grain of salt"?

Or even when the Bible declares, "and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.", your advise to people is to "take it with a grain of salt"?

You both make light at the Word of God, to which Christ declared,

"You are the salt of the earth, but if the salt loses its flavor, how shall it be seasoned? It is then good for nothing but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot by men." Matthew 5:13
---christan on 5/11/13


\\most of the details....take it with a grain of salt.\\
---barb on 5/11/13

I agree. That's the point I was trying to make. Consider that there are three contexts:

1) ch 9 - Luke records it for Christian readers, with all the details of the weight of the incident

2) ch 22 - Paul's defense in front of Jews. Details would possibly sway some. This was more than likely building to a long discourse, but he was cut off before he finished his entire defense (22:22)

3) ch 26 - Paul's defense in front of Agrippa. A much shorter account because he was only defending himself in a court, not defending his message and apostleship


As for the men with him, standing or falling - your response to my earlier explanation?
---James_L on 5/11/13


"Why can't Paul keep his story straight?" barb

It's truly amazing that one dare call herself a Christian and question the accounts written in the Holy Bible to be confusing and contradicting. Is that how "true faith" from God acts out in unbelief of the Word that He has so graciously given to His people?

Is the Holy Spirit even present in you? Have you ever question yourself before you decided to even question the Word? Didn't Christ promise, "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth"?
---christan on 5/11/13


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there are no contradictions in God's Word. both the verses is paul is on his way to Damascus and God got his attention. you can have 6 people at one event and they will all have their account. none will be exactly the same. acts 9:7 the men heard God but saw nothing. in acts 22:9, some who traveled with paul saw a light and heard no voice but some heard a voice but saw no man. you have 2 accounts of the same thing but the the men traveling with paul saw it in a different way.
---shira4368 on 5/11/13


If no one saw who Paul was talking to and no one heard the conversation, Why should anyone believe him??
500 witnesses were reputed to have seen the burning cross in the sky and the words In Hoc Vinces with Constantine....but turns out he was the only one who actually saw it !!!!
---1st_cliff on 5/11/13


This is what happened to Paul & those with him on the Damascus road: The men with him heard the Lord's voice, but they couldn't understand what He was saying. However, Paul both heard & understood Jesus!

The entire New Testament was originally written in Greek. The word "akouo" is used in both Acts 9:7 & 22:9. Like many other words it has different meanings that vary depending on the context in which it is used. It can mean to both understand and to hear.

As Francis has correctly stated, "The men did hear something, but did not understand the conversation. They did not know what Paul & Jesus spoke about." Therefore, no contradiction exists.
---Leon on 5/11/13


barb, you now say,

"Why can't Paul keep his story straight? Should we blame Luke who wrote Acts or did Luke just write down the facts as Paul told them?"

Barb, the writers of scripture were inspired to write what the Spirit directed them to write. Sometimes they were led to write what they witnessed, others times they were led to write what a certain person said at the time. I believe you are looking to find fault against Paul anyway you can. You are not looking for the Truth of God's Word and miss the revealed inspired word of God.
---Mark_V. on 5/11/13


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Why are we so quick to assume their are contradictions in the Bible just because WE don't understand something?

1. We were not there at the time.

2. Languages are not the same as centuries ago.

3. We are not God.

Just saying "I don't understand" is so hard for so many.
---Nikki on 5/11/13


James L, yes, most of the details should be the same. If I tell you a story and you hear me repeat it two more times and each time I tell it the details are different I hope you would take it with a grain of salt.
---barb on 5/11/13


no contradictions


Acts 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.

Acts 22:9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid, but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.

The men did hear something, but did not understand the conversation. they did not know what Paul and Jesus spoke about
---francis on 5/11/13


\\Acts 26 where the whole story is different...\\
---barb on 5/11/13


9:8-11
...leading him by the hand...into Damascus...there was a disciple at Damascus named Ananias...

22:10-13
..."Get up and go into Damascus"...but since I could not see, I was led by the hand...into Damascus. A certain Ananias...who lived there...

Acts 26:19-20
So, King Agrippa, I did not prove disobedient to the Heavenly vision, but kept declaring both TO THOSE IN DAMASCUS FIRST...


Does every detail need to be recounted every time he tells the story?
---James_L on 5/11/13


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Christian, I'm not talking about Acts 9 or Acts 22. Read Acts 26 where the whole story is different and the spirit gives Paul instructions right there on the road to Damascus without blinding him or sending him to Anaias and then Paul goes out preaching.

We are indeed told that the men who stood speechless in Acts 9 fall down in Acts 26. They must have remained speechless because they never ever came to Paul's defense, not even the ones who supposedly heard the voice and understood.
---barb on 5/11/13


\\What about Acts 26:14-18? Here the men with Paul all fall down while in Acts 9 they stand speechless.\\
---barb on 5/10/13

If you look carefully, they all fell down because of the light, not the voice.

AFTER the all fell down, Jesus told Paul in the Hebrew dialect to get up (26:14 - for Peter 9556)

They more than likely all stood up and began dusting themselves off after hitting the dirt.

I would surmise that the other men heard rumblings and thunderous sounds and stood speechless, wondering what was it was

while Paul heard and understood the voice of Christ
---James_L on 5/11/13


First and foremost, Scripture NEVER contradict Scripture, period. If there's a contradiction, it's you who's confused.

Acts 9:7, it was only Saul who was "hearing a voice, but seeing no man" whereas those around him "stood speechless" when Saul was struck down by the Lord.

And Acts 22:9, completes and confirms Acts 9:7, "And those who were with me indeed saw the light and were afraid, but they did not hear the voice of Him who spoke to me."

See? No contradiction. It's your understanding that's erroneous that leads to contradiction.
---christan on 5/10/13


Richard C and Gordon: Please remember that what you read is in English, while the 'approved' scripture is in Greek, while we have NO idea in what language in what language God spoke to Saul - it might have been Hebrew, or Aramaic, but Greek seems not so likely.

So we have two translations, and so the absolute identical 'wording' may be slightly changed - but not the meaning
---Peter9556 on 5/10/13


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Gordon, there is no contradiction in the Bible. Acts 22:9 does not contradict Acts 9:7 since Jesus spoke only to Paul, only he understood the Lord's words. His companions heard the sound, but could not make out the words see an example in (John 12:29).
In Acts 9:7 the writer, which we believe to be Luke, is giving testimony as to what happen to Paul, in Acts 22:9 Paul himself is speaking, and the writer of Acts is quoting what he was saying.
---Mark_V. on 5/11/13


RICHARDC and willie_c, So, the others heard the "sound" of the Voice, but, they did not understand what the Voice said, nor did they know Who it was that made the Sound. That would explain it. For, the Scriptures do not really ever contradict themselves. But, when I noticed the two appearing differences, it threw me at the first. It's also like JOHN 12:28-29, when the Father's Voice spoke from Heaven to His Son and the surrounding hearers thought it had merely thundered, not recognizing the Voice of Father God. Thanks for the input!
---Gordon on 5/10/13


What about Acts 26:14-18? Here the men with Paul all fall down while in Acts 9 they stand speechless. And in Acts 26 there is no mention of blindness or Ananias instead Paul goes immediately out to preach repentance.

Why can't Paul keep his story straight? Should we blame Luke who wrote Acts or did Luke just write down the facts as Paul told them?

If God has protected everything in the holy inspired bible when did He stop doing so? Why does He allow mistranslated or contradictory versions now? Jer 8:8-9.
---barb on 5/10/13


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