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Was Jesus the Captain of the LORD's Host whom Joshua worshiped in Jos 5:13-15?

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The Seg did you say that God is chief messrnger?

Any way, Joshua meets this Man, Who calls himself the captain of the Lord's hosts, and Joghua worships Him. When Jesus appeared to Amraham,before destroying Sodom, He also appeared as a man.
Other incidents where worship was given to a created being, the worship was refused,but not here, proving this Captian was God /Jesus.
---francis on 5/17/13


Heretic Scott, I am a child of God, and Jesus Christ is God, not an angel. He is Creator of all things. You on the other hand are a heretic, who also believe Jesus is Michael the archangel. Jehovah Witnesses or cults. They teach another Jesus, not the Christ from Scripture. They would rather let their children die, then to try and do everything possible to save them. Almost like the pagan, and heathen sacrifices that were made to their gods. Heretics are not Christian, remember in their classes they call them Christiandom, so they are not my brothers. The witnesses, SDA's and Mormons are each other brothers.
---Mark_V. on 5/18/13


---Mark_Eaton on 5/17/13

Let's say that it is a question, ( question marks not being invented in that time period)

Who is like EL ( the father / God)? JESUS

Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature??? JESUS

Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God??? JESUS

Statement or question the answer is still JESUS


Exodus 23:20 Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.

Exodus 23:21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not, for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him. MichaEL
---francis on 5/17/13


"Heretic Francis" - Mark_V

You are Calvinist are you not Mark_V?

"I embrace the opinion of those who refer this (Michael) to the person of Christ, because it suits the subject best to represent him as standing forward for the defense of his elect people." John Calvin

COMMENTARIES ON THE BOOK OF THE PROPHET DANIEL,trans. T. Myers (Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1979), vol. 2 p. 369.
---scott on 5/17/13


Michael = "who is like God"
archangel = chief of the angels
Angel = the word Angel means messenger.

Angel does not mean created being.
Good deal, then let's use this:


Rev_19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns, and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

But francis has proven God wrong again!
Listen all you fool and blind.
Give an ear, prostrate yourselves before him.

For he and he alone is sinless before his god.
Henceforth, you will not refer to him as francis.
He has professed himself, saint francis!

For you see! He alone has figured out the name, that no man knew!

god is "CHIEF MESSENGER!"
---TheSeg on 5/17/13




Michael = "who is like God"
---francis on 5/17/13

The understanding I have of the name is:

Michael = Who is like El???

The meaning of the name is not a statement but a question.

You have twisted the meaning of the name to suit your purposes for defining Michael as a being like God.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/17/13


Well, then since all words and names have meaning, it may help to look up the meaning of the phrase "Michael and Archangel," and see if any other angel can fit the bill

Michael = Michael = "who is like God" Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God

archangel,= chief of the angels Colossians 1:15 the firstborn of every creature:

SO Michael can be no other that Jesus himself
that is why the voice that raises the dead is that of Micahel, that is why it is Michael who stands up for Hos people n the time of trouble
That is why it is Michael who leads the angels against Satan and his angels.
That is why all prophecies about Michael are fullfilled by Jesus and vise versa
---francis on 5/17/13


Jerry, what you said to Kathr, was oh so very well said!

And I did answer your:
If Jesus was not the Captain of the LORD's Host whom Joshua worshiped in Jos 5:13-15, then who was?
On 5/15/13 just look down the page!

Who is saying it wasn't Christ, no one!
It is you guys, saying this was an angel.
So first tell me where do you see the word angel here?

You don't! It says a man, The Man Christ!
No angel!
Peace

If you don't understand read Jos_5:13.
he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man

A man! Not an angel.
Do you see the word Man?
M-A-N look carefully you can't miss it.
You ask for it.
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/17/13


the word Angel means messenger. ---Nikki on 5/17/13
Angel does not mean created being. Good deal, then lets use this:

Malachi 3:1 referrs to Jesus as: "the messenger of the covenant"

Michael the archangel means: the one who is Like the father ( God), who is the chief or incharge of all the anegls.

expressed also in this verse
Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Daniel 10:13 Michael, The first among all the princes
---francis on 5/17/13


I'm still waiting....
---jerry6593 on 5/17/13

Many of us here on CN agree that Jesus can be seen in the OT as the Angel of the Lord. But that does not mean we will agree with the SDA conjecture that Michael is Jesus.

I have read the SDA treatise on the subject, every word and every Scripture. It is a long winded way of reading your understanding into the Scriptures.

There are a great many things about Scripture and God that I do not understand. I leave them that way, rather than try to create my own explanation for them.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/17/13




Nikki on 5/16/13
This angel standing in the sun in verse 17 cannot be verified as Jesus, but the one of the horse, who is leading the armies of Heaven in verse 13 is called THE WORD OF GOD.

So clearly the word of God is leading the armies in heaven

I do not see the word " guardian" in my version but it does say that Michael shall deliver his people in the time of trouble

now here it is again

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
---francis on 5/17/13


Why is it that no one wants to define the word Angel? I suspect that once defined all must acknowledge that Jesus is the Chief Messenger of God --francis on 5/16/13

I said the word Angel means messenger. I can see Jesus as the Messenger, since HE is the WORD.

But, please answer me.
Why do you keep separating Archangel to Arch angel?

Arch Angel separate means High Messenger.
That indeed can be an type of Jesus, as the Lamb, Sheep, Vine and all else.

Must St Michael is a CREATED being.
According to your logic, you can believe that Joseph in Genesis is Jesus. They similar incidents.

Did you see my postings?
Please tell me which ones or all, you disagree with.
---Nikki on 5/17/13


Nikki, not all catholic websites are anti-catholic. But you're right, people should not believe anything you say here on this web site. After all, it's a web site right. And looking up everything YOU have been saying on those Catholic sites to verify if you even know what you're talking about, I now see you are in fact teaching those same lies you admit by your own words are lies, and we shouldn't 't believe them.


Thanks Nikki, now we heard from you ALL RCC doctrine found on websites are lies. So all you've said here are Lies. Got it.
---kathr4453 on 5/17/13


I'm still waiting....

If Jesus was not the Captain of the LORD's Host whom Joshua worshiped in Jos 5:13-15, then who was?


And why isn't someone screaming that Jesus is NOT really a created lamb?



---jerry6593 on 5/17/13


Heretic francis, you give Daniel 12:1, proclaiming Michael is Jesus. Nowhere does it say Michael is Jesus. (Daniel 10:13) Which reads,
"The prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty one days but Michael, one of the chief princes came to help me, for I was left there with the kings of Persia." Michael in Scripture is depicted as a commander of the holy angels (Jude 9, Rev. 12:7: 2 Kings 6:15). You twisted the Truth (Jesus) to a complete lie.
Then give Rev. 18:24) which says nothing about Jesus been Michael.
Then say,

"MICHAEL STANDING UP FOR HIS PEOPLE" They are not his people. They belong to God.
Then gave Rev. 19:11-13) Another complete lie. Nowhere does it say Jesus is Michael.
---Mark_V. on 5/17/13


Kathr: Stop bashing Nikki because she's Catholic. She's your sister in Christ, after all. I agree that the Catholic faith has some false doctrines, but so do virtually ALL religious denominations. I would bet that you even ascribe to some of her false doctrines yourself - like Sunday, the counterfeit Sabbath and the immortality of the soul.

Some devout Catholics are among the most sincere, Jesus-loving people I have ever met. I look forward to sharing heaven with them. I hope you do too.



---jerry6593 on 5/17/13


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Why is it that no one wants to define the word Angel? I suspect that once defined all must acknowledge that Jesus is the Chief Messenger of God as staoted in Malachi and exemplfied in Revelation 1 verse 1
---francis on 5/16/13


Sad to say Nikki , but the Internet is full of Catholics web sites talking about the catechism of the council of Trent.---kathr4453

Kathr, do you believe everything the web sites tells you? Plus, they are not Catholic websites, but Anti-Catholic websites.

Okay, I will stop playing with you.
You might means to say the documents of the Council of Trent states--

Still the documents are still here for everyone to view because it has a title with each subject.
Your lie of "we are to worship mary" would have a title of such.

Hint: It is written in Latin.
So, go find the lie on the anti-catholic website and pull out the section it states it.
I shall prove to you that the Council never said those lies.
---Nikki on 5/16/13


Thanks Kathr! But I believe what you are saying is that I am not sinless.
I believe you are right. He who is unfaithful in the lease is unfaithful in all.
Rom_3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God,
In this you are like francis!

francis I said convince Nikki, Nikki are you convince?

Now I wasnt put on this earth to convince anyone of anything. Thats not my job!
That job belongs to the Holy Spirit! My job is to believe in who he has sent Jesus Christ!

For the Word was made flesh, and dwells among us, and we behold his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/16/13


Daniel 12:1... Michael, the great prince guardian of YOUR people,

I never heard of Jesus being a guardian. But, I have heard of St Michael being my guardian. We have guardian angels, so since Michael is the prince guardian he is known as an archangel.

But, with both words put together.

Please, tell me where you have gotten the word separated. I truly never seen it separated as you have it.
---Nikki on 5/16/13


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..it's Our Lady of Sorrow.---kathr4453 on

Very good. You are finally telling the truth.
Remember not everyone can read as you and I. Pictures, Paintings and the like will assist them.

Guess where in the Bible it states Mary will have a sword in her heart? Give up? Luke 2:35

Black denotes sadness. Widows wear all black clothes not because they happy to be single again.

7 swords for 7 the sorrows of the Virgin Mary:

Presentation of Jesus
Flight into Egypt Matt 2:13
Loss of the Child Jesus Luke 2:43
Meeting Jesus on the way to Calvary John 19:25
Jesus dies on the Cross
Body of Jesus taken down from the cross. Matt 27:57-59
Placing the Body of Jesus in the tomb John 19:40-42
---Nikki on 5/16/13


--Nikki on 5/16/13
Whose voice raises the dead?
John 5:28 his voice,(JESUS) Or
1 Thess 4:16 voice of the archangel,

Daniel 12 we are told that at the time of trouble Michael will stand up for his people. We go through the entire world history up until the end of time, and when the time of trouble comes it is Jesus who stands for his people. Jesus <-> Michael in time of trouble and raising the dead fulfilled the prophecy


Other names for Jesus and Michael:

Daniel 10:13 Michael, one of the chief princes,
Strong's Hebrew Definition for "one" is first

Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God ( MICHAEL), the firstborn of every creature:

what does the word ANGEL MEAN
---francis on 5/16/13


Sad to say Nikki , but the Internet is full of Catholics web sites talking about the catechism of the council of Trent. So what is this lie you say there is no such thing. OR are you once again embarrassed by such a thing said by your church leaders?
---kathr4453 on 5/16/13


"Angel"-

At Isaiah 9:6 in the Greek Septuagint (LXX) the promised Messiah is called "Magni Consilii Angelus." This translates as:

"Angel of Great Counsel"
---scott on 5/16/13


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Nikki, why so defensive? Why so nasty. You actually DO worship Idols and have statutes of Mary, Jesus, the Saints etc all over this world, so OBVIOUSLY it is not a lie is it?

I have a RCC friend who tells me that there is this, (her words) HORRIBLE parade or something you do with Mary all in black, a knife in her side stating how we killed her because we killed her Son. Now call me a liar, and I will post more on it to PROVE you lie. She thinks is's disgusting and she's RCC.

God GAVE His only Begotten Son. Jesus was Sent into the world TO DIE for our sin, and your Mary's opinion has nothing to do with it.

OH yes, look it up,it's Our Lady of Sorrow.
---kathr4453 on 5/16/13


Francis, Rev 19:13 speaks of his cloak been dipped in blood.

Michael didn't have blood. He is a spirit. But, Jesus has blood because he became Man.

The Archangel Michael can not judge.
Plus if you go to v17, John tell us he sees an angel. If the man in v13 is an angel, why didn't John state he saw an angel? In fact, John states he sees a beast and kings of the earth calling out every being as their nature.

There are 3 Archangels in the Bible. Raphael in Tobit, Gabriel and Michael. Only angels given name, so that's why we call them Archangels.

Tobit 12:15 "I am Raphael, one of the seven angels who enter and serve before the Glory of the Lord."
V22... when the angel of God appeared to them.
---Nikki on 5/16/13


nikki on 5/16/13
Other proofs that Michael and Jesus are one and the same:

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up,.. and there shall be a time of trouble,...

THE TIME OF TROUBLE
Revelation 18:24

MICHAEL STANDING UP FOR HIS PEOPLE

Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse, and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Notice how peophecies about Jesus are fulfilled by Michael and vice versa?

Now again seg, what does the word angel mean
---francis on 5/16/13


francis, after all the blabbering about Jesus being Michael the archangel, here I read where you say,

"
My question is a very simple one: What does the word " angel" mean"


If you do not know what the word "angel" means, how dare you say Jesus is an archangel? Second the two passages you gave do not say that Jesus is Michael, or that He is an archangel. It is all in your mind. All cult members want to strip Jesus of His Divinity. "He is, and always will be God"
God created the angels. All the heavenly host were created by the Lord. Stop teaching SDA heretical views concerning Jesus.
Another arch-angel mentioned in the Old and New Testament and his name was Gabriel.
---Mark_V on 5/16/13


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The Catechism of the Council of Trent states these words:"It is lawful to have images in the Church, and to give honor and worship unto them..." TheSeg, Nikki and Cluny worship Idols Period. ---kathr4453 on 5/16/13

You should do research before you decide to lie. I will help your lie to be believable.

There isn't such thing as CATECHISM OF THE TRENT.

Catechism means 'To teach or states one's groups beliefs.

Now there might be another catechism that states what you wrote, but you decided to LIE and EDIT the last word. SHAME ON YOU. Or just MADE UP the sentence from the top of your head thinking you know a lot about the Catholic. YOU DON'T.

There was a COUNCIL of Trent.

So, Kathr LIES PERIOD!
---Nikki on 5/16/13


KEEP IN MIND THAT IN ALL THE BIBLE ONLY ONE PERSON IS ARCH ANGEL
---francis on 5/16/13

What if there is more than one Archangel?

Dan 10:13 "But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, and I remained there with the kings of Persia"

We see here that Michael is one of the chief princes, not the ONLY one.

And the person talking:

Dan 10:6 "His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude"

Looks like Jesus in Rev Chapter 1
---Mark_Eaton on 5/16/13


Francis your my man, but you are mistaken.
John 5:28 Look at v26-27 The Father giving power to the Son of Man which is Jesus.
V28 ...hear his voice: is speaking of hearing the Son of Man's voice.

1 Thess 4:16 My Bible has the same, but has: For the Lord himself, with a WORD OF COMMAND, with the voice of an archangel.

I see it as saying a strong voice as with a trumpet which is loud.
Trumpets were used to announce Kings, and tell everyone to get ready is a respected pose.

But, I noticed one thing about your post. You separate Archangel to Arch angel.
Since angel means message, The TOP MESSAGER OF GOD IS JESUS.
But, Michael is an archangel because of the importance of his duty: KICKING OUT satan from heaven.
---Nikki on 5/16/13


The Catechism of the Council of Trent states these words:
"It is lawful to have images in the Church, and to give honor and worship unto them..."


Is it really lawful to honor and worship images? Not according to God's word. Exodus 20:4-5 says, "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them-----." Image worship is forbiddenand will end with the eternal damnation of those who practice it (Rev. 14:11).
Yet they keep a straight face and tell you it is ok.


TheSeg, Nikki and Cluny worship Idols Period.
---kathr4453 on 5/16/13


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---nikki on 5/16/13
Yes I am making the same claim as the bible: Michael the Arch Angel and Jesus are one and the same

here is one of maybe 6 scriptures that make it so

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth,

1 Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the VOICE OF THE ARCHANGEL, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Nikki so whose voice raises the dead? kEEP IN MIND THAT IN ALL THE BIBLE ONLY ONE PERSON IS ARCH ANGEL

now seg I have answered nikki. What does the word angel mean?
---francis on 5/16/13


I'll tell you what St francis!
I will let nikki decide for me, you convince nikki!
Whatever she says goes!

This way, I don't have to answer your foolishness ever again!
See ya!

She has asked you her first question.
Jerry and Francis, is Seg correct?
Are both claiming St. Michael the Archangel is Jesus?

Why don't you, answer her!
---TheSeg on 5/16/13


francis
Christ is not an angel, he created the angel!
---TheSeg on 5/16/13

My question is a very simple one: What does the word " angel" mean
---francis on 5/16/13


Cluny: Dating A Christian Witch blog
Are you saying you don't understand what I'm saying, TheSeg?
My words should be plain enough for those who are fluent enough in English to post here.

I am saying I agree 100%, if not more, with your post!
Peace


francis
Christ is not an angel, he created the angel!
You want to make him an angel, so you can worship.
The god you made for yourself, who you think is Michael the Archangel!

But, if it was really Michael the Archangel, he himself would tell you.
Worship God!
So you neither worship God, nor Christ, nor Michael the Archangel.

I believe you can't even fool Nikki, as to what you're saying anymore!
But, we will see, says God!
---TheSeg on 5/16/13


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Jerry and Francis, is Seg correct?
Are both claiming St. Michael the Archangel is Jesus?
---nikki on 5/16/13


Now Nikki you said
EXCELLENT POINT! (No one is saying He is a created being) when suggesting He is the LAMB OF GOD.

Jerry said
Michael, the Master of the angels - being God, IS to be worshiiped

Nikki you said
He is the Angel of God.
(Exactly Francis is saying.)

Francis said
Jesus, the son of God, who is God, is also The Angel of God: Michael The Arch Angel


That is exactly what their saying! Michael the Archangel who was created is Christ!
If you dont believe me, just ask them!
Is Michael the Archangel, Jesus Christ?

I just want you to know what is really being said.
And not what it sound like. Please be clear on this!
1Jn_4:2, 1Jn_4:3 , 2Jn_1:7
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/16/13


TheSeg on 5/15/13
what does the word angel mean?

one question, i need ome answer

what does the word angel mean?
---francis on 5/16/13


Was Michael the archangel created?
Are Jesus Christ and Michael the archangel the same person?---TheSeg on 5/15/13

Michael the archangel is a CREATED BEING.

Jesus and Michael the archangel are NOT THE SAME.

JESUS CREATED MICHAEL THE
ANGEL. Jesus is God, and Michael isn't.

Sorry if I confused you earlier.
---Nikki on 5/15/13


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Here are some names for Jesus and their meaning:
Isra-EL:Prince with God
Mihca-EL_ who is God
Emanu-EL_ God with us
Now which one means angel or Christ is an angel or Michael the Archangel is Christ?

(Because as you and Jerry believe)
Exactly! Angels are not to be worshipped, but their Captain - Michael, the Master of the angels - being God, IS to be worshiiped - as proved in Joshua_7:13-15.
jerry6593 on 5/12/13

Explain Acts_7:38
TIME TO PUT AWAY CHILDISH THINGS
Jesus, the son of God, who is God, is also The Angel of God: Michael The Arch Angel

Michael: who is like God: Col_1:15
Arch: Chief: Daniel 10:13
Angel: Messenger: Malachi_3:1
francis on 5/11/13
(have made an Angel, God!)
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/15/13


---TheSeg on 5/15/13
What does the word " angel" means?

Here are some names for Jesus and their meaning:

Isra-EL: Prince with God
Mihca-EL_ who is God
Emanu-EL_ God with us
---francis on 5/15/13


Nikki thank you for answering one of the three questions!
And less not worry about what Francis and Jerry are saying just yet.
Right now I am more worry about what you might be saying.

Now back to the questions:
Please answer these for me!
Was Michael the archangel created?
Are Jesus Christ and Michael the archangel the same person?

I would really like you to answer these two for me.
A simple truthful yes or no!
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/15/13


Sorry jerry I didnt see it.
If Jesus was not the Captain of the LORD's Host whom Joshua worshiped in Jos 5:13-15, then who was?

Who is saying it wasnt Christ, no one!
It is you guys, saying this was an angel.
So first tell me where do you see the word angel here?

You don't! It says a man, The Man Christ!
No angel!
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/15/13


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Seg, NO JESUS ISN'T CREATED! HE IS GOD. He created the world.

He is called a plethora of names in the Bible - all the way from Wonderful, Counsellor to Good Shepherd, The Lamb, and The Vine? Why isn't someone screaming "No, Jesus isn't really a sheep!"?---jerry6593 on 5/15/13

EXCELLENT POINT! No one is saying He is a created being when suggesting He is the LAMB OF GOD.

Now EXCHANGE Lamb with Angel.

He is the Angel of God.
Exactly Francis is saying.
But, because it isn't said as much as Lamb of God, people JUMPED to insults.
---Nikki on 5/15/13


Nikki, Nikki, Nikki please!
Answer these for me!

Was Jesus Christ created?
Was Michael the archangel created?
Are Jesus Christ and Michael the archangel the same person?

So I can understand what you are saying.
Thank you.
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/15/13


There are none so blind as those who will not see!

Before you jump back in to Revelation 19:11, 14, 16.
This is Christ! Not an angel!

You are confused but thats ok.
Because God has forgiven you!
Peace

Or did you post on an assumption.
As you do everything else?
---TheSeg on 5/14/13


If Jesus was not the Captain of the LORD's Host whom Joshua worshiped in Jos 5:13-15, then who was?




---jerry6593 on 5/15/13


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That's great Cluny,
We now know what you disagree about the statement.
What do you agree about the statement?
Are you so full of rebuke and contention that you will not respond to parts that should be praised?
---micha9344 on 5/15/13


(if) and I mean if, you believe Christ is the leader of the Armies of God.
---TheSeg on 5/14/13

Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Revelation 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

And what?
Are you still so blind?
---TheSeg on 5/14/13

If you cannot figure out that the leader of God's army here is none other than Jesus, then you lack understanding. It is right infront of you in black and white

Joel 2:11 And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army:
---francis on 5/14/13


So what is your problem with God/Christ taking over this particular battle?
The problem here is somehow youve change the man Joshua, told you he saw!
Into an angel of your own choosing, Joshua said there stood a man!
How does Christ become your god/angel, who you say is Michael?

Before you jump back in to Revelation 19:11, 14, 16.
This is Christ! Not an angel!

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon fought and his angels,
This is an angel, not a man!

Are you now going to jump back to Joshua?
This was Christ a man, not an angel.

You are confused but thats ok.
Because God has forgiven you!
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/14/13


God was going to do all the fighting as long as they obeyed
Exodus 14:14 The LORD shall fight for you, and ye shall hold your peace.

They did not obey, God set them on a self destructive course

Numbers 14:29 Your carcases shall fall in this wilderness, and all that were numbered of you, according to your whole number, from twenty years old and upward, which have murmured against me,

Once that generation died, God showed up to lead them in battle as the captain of the Lord's army,. which they were


Deuteronomy 2:16 So it came to pass, when all the men of war were consumed and dead from among the people,


Joshua 5:14 And he said, Nay, but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come
---francis on 5/14/13


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\\You won't see cherubim(guardians) and seraphim (purifiers) serve as malakim (messengers-angels)\\

"Seraph" does not mean "purifier." The word means, "Flaming/burining ones", though some see it as meaning "burnt ones".

But all agree it never meant "purifier."

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/14/13


So?
Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse, and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Revelation 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
And what?
Are you still so blind?
---TheSeg on 5/14/13


You won't see cherubim(guardians) and seraphim (purifiers) serve as malakim (messengers-angels) in the Bible. They are distinct and non-interchangeable.
---micha9344 on 5/14/13


If you really believe Christ is the leader of the Armies of God. ( the rest was garbage)
---TheSeg on 5/14/13
EXPAND

Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse, and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Revelation 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
---francis on 5/14/13


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After the Commander of the LORD's army told Joshua who the Commander was, "Joshua fell on his face to the earth and worshiped", and the Commander said "Take your sandal off your foot, for the place where you stand is holy." (in Joshua 5:14-15).

This is what the LORD said to Moses, from the burning bush.

So, I can see that the Commander was Jesus appearing. Jesus is the Lord of all, so He is Lord over all the host of God.
---willie_c: on 5/14/13


I am in charge of this whole operation
Jesus is the leader of the Armies of God both in heaven and on Earth
francis

More from the Garbage man!
(if) and I mean if, you believe Christ is the leader of the Armies of God.
Then you should understand this line.

(but as) captain of the host of the LORD am I now come.
But you say you don't!

Nor do you understand the HE in Act_7:38!
Because you have made yourself a god of Michael!

If you really believe Christ is the leader of the Armies of God.
You would stay in preschool reading Exo_3:2-5.
Until your teacher, who you don't believe is!
Graduate you from preschool.
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/14/13


Exodus 14:14 The LORD shall fight for you, and ye shall hold your peace.

Deut 1:30 The LORD your God which goeth before you, he shall fight for you,

God never intended Israel to lift a finger in battle, He would fight for them Like he did against Egypt. because of their disobedience he commissioned them to war, to weed them out

Now a new generation has arisen, and Joshua is in command:

Joshua ask: Joshua 5:13 Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?

Joshua 5:14 And he said, Nay, but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come.

In other words. No Joshua, I m not on your side, I am in charge of this whole operation
Jesus is the leader of the Armies of God both in heaven and on Earth
---francis on 5/13/13


Why?
How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come, and even now already is it in the world.

I receive not honour from men.
But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.

It's Just More Garbage!
Mat_15:27
---TheSeg on 5/13/13


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Jos_5:13 says there stood a man not an angel.
---TheSeg on 5/13/13
AGAIN EXPAND

Genesis 18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day,

Genesis 18:2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, THREE MEN stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

Genesis 18:3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:

I think you can do better if you expand.

I don't care if we do not agree on the doctrine( we will not), I only care that you expand and show some knowledge of the subject
---francis on 5/13/13


francis
To those who become a (FOOLISH) man, and put away childish thoughts (and become fools), an angel is a messenger of God, be it cherub, seraph, (Jesus), David, Saul, or Timothy

Because to them an angel is a god, and God is an angel.
Also a man is an angel, and an angel a man.

When he said:
Act_15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
This is not what he was saying!


aka
Jos_5:13 says there stood a man not an angel.
This man came as if he was the captain.
Jos_5:14 but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come.
Just like a commander in the field in all authority and power.
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/13/13


aka: You were in both the Army and the Marine Corps? How did that happen? In any event, thank you for your service.

I was not aware that Jesus was in Army.



---jerry6593 on 5/13/13


Aka...you are struggling with who the Son of God is, and the function of the son of God in the trnity

If these do not help then...

Genesis 31:11 And THE ANGEL OF GOD spake unto me in a dream, saying, Jacob: And I said, Here am I.

Genesis 31:12 And he said, Lift up now thine eyes, and see, all the rams which leap upon the cattle are ringstraked, speckled, and grisled: for I have seen all that Laban doeth unto thee.

Genesis 31:13 I AM THE GOD OF BETHEL,

Acts 27:23 For there stood by me this night THE ANGEL OF GOD, whose I am, and whom I serve,

2 Timothy 1:3 I thank God, whom I serve
---francis on 5/13/13


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//Exactly! Angels are not to be worshipped, but their Captain - Michael, the Master of the angels // jerry

i was in the army and usmc. there was a general who commanded all the soldiers in the army and all the marines in the corps. and, they will tell you...stripped down...they were simply a soldier and simply a marine.

if the captain of your angels is not an angel, he is not a good commander.

//God, IS to be worshiiped - as proved in Joshua 7:13-15.// jerry

proof?

are you sure you quoted the right verses? what proof is there about Michael being Jehovah?
---aka on 5/12/13


not a cherub, not a seraph)
I can't understand why you keep going on and on about them.
---TheSeg on 5/12/13
Children think angels are all cherubims and seraphims, those winged created beings from heaven.

1 Samuel 29:9 And Achish answered and said to David, I know that thou art good in my sight, as an angel of God:

Galatians 4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected, but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

2 Timothy 4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist

To those who become a man, and put away childish thoughts, an angel is a messenger of God, be it cherub, seraph, Jesus, David, Saul, or Timothy
---francis on 5/12/13


(not a cherub, not a seraph)
I can't understand why you keep going on and on about them. But, whatever!

To start with, see how confused you guys really are. No I guess you don't!
You guys believe the word of God is saying Joshua would put someone before God!
As your word say, "he worship an angel, before God!"
More importantly you just can't see how foolish is that?

What's even funnier to me is your belief.
That Christ the KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS, would only be a captain in his own kingdom army. When you say you know him.

Do you guys even know what a captain is?
Rom_1:20 So that they are without excuse!
But, it's not you guys. Right!
---TheSeg on 5/12/13


Rev_19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him.(the Angel)
And he(the Angel) said unto me, See thou do it not!
Worship God!
---TheSeg on 5/11/13

If this was not God, he would have said the same thing which the angel in Rev_19:10

Exodus 14:14 The LORD shall fight for you, and ye shall hold your peace.

not a cherub, not a seraph, THE LORD

and the Lord shows us to fight and calls himself the captain of the Lord's host
---francis on 5/12/13


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//jerry, to the SDAs he is.
---aka on 5/11/13 //

Apparently, He was to Joshua as well.



The: "See thou do it not!
Worship God!"

Exactly! Angels are not to be worshipped, but their Captain - Michael, the Master of the angels - being God, IS to be worshiiped - as proved in Joshua 7:13-15.



---jerry6593 on 5/12/13


Some problem with Exodus_15:3 and Daniel_4:35?
God is in control of everything!

Jos_5:14(In the name of God) I now come.
And Joshua fell on his face and did worship.(God!)

Rev_12:7(So you think Michael decide to fight on his own?)
Jud_1:9 Yet Michael the archangel,(whom ye say is Lord) when contending with the devil
Said, The Lord rebuke thee.(not me!)

Let's look at what an angel told him right before Rev_19:11!
Rev_19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him.(the Angel)
And he(the Angel) said unto me, See thou do it not!
Worship God!

As before what's the problem with Rev_19:11 and Rev_19:19?
Weren't you talking about hosts and angels?
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/11/13


jerry, to the SDAs he is.
---aka on 5/11/13


Joshua 5:14 And he said, Nay, but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him,

If this " captain of the Lord's host" was not God ( Jesus) he would have refused the worship of Joshua

Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God:

This angel is a seraph or a cherub, and not Jesus, so he must refuse to be worshiped, for only God is to be worshiped

Isaiah 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
---francis on 5/11/13


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Exodus 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

If God is a man of war, he has to be the captain of His army.

the leader of any kingdom, is the supreme commander of His army

Jesus is the same, In the days of Joshua, the commander of the Army was called the captain. Jesus is that captain of God's army.

That is why you read in revelations that Jesus, and his angels, are fighting against Satan and his angels
---francis on 5/11/13


Exodus 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

Daniel 4:35 he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and .. earth:

Joshua 5:14 as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come.

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon,

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse, and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
---francis on 5/11/13


Was Jesus the captain of the LORD'S host?

Christ is the lord, not the lord's host.
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Created!

Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me?
Saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?

Hath not my hand made all these things?
Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/11/13


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