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False Teaching Cults

My pastor has just finished preaching on the book of Jude. He emphasized that we need to be on guard against false teachers. I know the Jehovah Witnesses, and Mormons are false teachers. Aren't there other mainline, denominational Christian "churches" that are based on false teaching?

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 ---Grandma on 5/13/13
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---TheSeg on 5/20/13
Do you believe this to be true:
Isaiah_8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
francis on 5/20/13

Exo_20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Exo_20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exo_20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Exo_20:5, Exo_20:6.

Jud_1:9
As Michael the archangel said The Lord rebuke thee.

1Jn_4:2 God's
1Jn_4:3 Not God's
Clear!
---TheSeg on 5/20/13


Gen 31:11
The angel was the messenger.
Through His messenger, God voiced His Word to Jacob.
Acts 27:23
It is God, Whose Paul was and Whom he served, not the angel.
The angel is just a messenger.
Your lack of understanding, and unbelief does not change the truth that Jesus is not an angel and IS God, therefore is the chief of all the angels.
---micha9344 on 5/20/13


"...in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.

6 They...worm their way into homes & gain control over gullible women, who're loaded down with sins & are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth...these teachers oppose the truth..."
2 Tim. 3:1-8 (NIV)
---Leon on 5/20/13


---Mark_V. on 5/20/13
Genesis 31:11 the angel of God spake unto me in a dream, ...And he said, .. I am the God of Bethel,

Acts 27:23 For there stood by me this night the angel of God, whose I am, and whom I serve, 2 Timothy 1:3 I thank God, whom I serve

Your lack of knowledge, and unbelief does not change the truth that Jesus is the angel of the Lord, and is like God and is the chief of all the angels

Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:


---TheSeg on 5/20/13
Do you believe this to be true:
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
---francis on 5/20/13


\\No. You don't have that right. That's not at all what I said or implied. If you can't figure it out, it seems you're even dumber than I originally assumed.
---Jed on 5/19/13\\

Let me put it like this:

Have you yet grasped that Eastern Orthodoxy and Catholicism are TWO DIFFERENT CHURCHES yet?

Have you grasped that I am ORTHODOX?

If you have not grasped one of these by this time, I'm not the one who is dumb.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/20/13




---Elder on 5/19/13
which of these do you consider a lie?

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Matthew 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.

Rev 12:17 the remnant ,which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
---francis on 5/20/13


francis, you always leave the important law out of your post. love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, mind, body, soul and the rest of what our body makes up. that is the commandment I try to keep after all, God said it was the first commandment.
---shira4368 on 5/20/13


francis, I call you heretic francise because of your unbelief. SDA's might call themselves Christians, so do the Jehovah witnesses, that does not make them Christian. As long as you belief that Jesus Christ is an archangel, you will always have the wrong Jesus and always be a heretic because you teach it. SDA's must be followers of a jesus but not the One from Scripture. Only the Spirit of God can give you insight as to who Jesus Christ is, and He is God, Creator of all things even angels. He did not create Himself, since He is Eternal.
---Mark_V. on 5/20/13


Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

(if they speak not according to this word!)
Yes I am making the same claim as the bible: Michael the Arch Angel and Jesus are one and the same
francis on 5/16/13 Captain Of The Host blog!

(according to this word!)
Act_4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

So We do not determine who are false teachers based on " mainline teaching." (really)
If they are not teaching the LAW and the TESTIMONY, they are false teachers. (by your own words)

Peace
---TheSeg on 5/20/13


Let me paraphrase what you are saying to see if I understand you.

You don't yet grasp that Orthodox and Catholicism are two different churches, but I am dumb.

Do I have you right?
---Cluny on 5/19/13


No. You don't have that right. That's not at all what I said or implied. If you can't figure it out, it seems you're even dumber than I originally assumed.
---Jed on 5/19/13




"God's definition of what constitutes his true church excludes baptist, "
Francis
More of Francis' tripe to try to prove a lie.
There is sure no place in God's Holy Word where there is any reference to the SDA cult. Yet in all reality we see we do see John the Baptist.
By the way, Francis, how far away from the "church" you "worship" at do you live? I'll say you don't keep God's law like you say you do!
---Elder on 5/19/13


Aren't there other mainline, denominational Christian "churches" that are based on false teaching?
---Grandma on 5/13/13

Now lets look at the bible:

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Matthew 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.

So We do not determine who are false teachers based on " mainline teaching." If they are not teaching the LAW and the TESTIMONY, they are false teachers.

Rev 12:17 the remnant ,which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

---francis on 5/20/13


To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Who better then you to know this?


These two you say you do, right
the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
So look no farther than your own seat for these!


For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
And John was beheaded in the prison. Wasn't he?
So Elias has come already.
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/20/13


---shira4368 on 5/19/13
Way of life literature:In essentials unity

It is online, look it up

---TheSeg on 5/19/13
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Revelation 12:17 the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Matthew 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.

have you seen these in your bible at all, or do you pretend they are not these?
---francis on 5/19/13


Suppose you wanted to tell someone a story.
And you want them to know, it's a true story.
Wouldn't they first have to believe you, otherwise it's just a story.

Take the story of the wither fig tree.
Is there a lesson there?
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/19/13

??? no context
---francis on 5/19/13


For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already,
agree.
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
agree.
Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
agree
If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
I really really really agree!

Suppose you wanted to tell someone a story.
And you want them to know, it's a true story.
Wouldn't they first have to believe you, otherwise it's just a story.

Take the story of the wither fig tree.
Is there a lesson there?
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/19/13


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Ye judge after the flesh, I judge no man.
---TheSeg on 5/19/13

Most of what you posted is beyund your understanding, simply because you are unable or unwilling to expand your knowledge of the word of God

example:
1 Corinthians 5:3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already,

1 Corinthians 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

1 Corinthians 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

1 Corinthians 6:4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
---francis on 5/19/13


Revelation 14:12 the saints: are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
And you order know!

I am one of the saints: they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Revelation 14:12
francis on 2/4/13, What Is A Southern Baptist blog!

And now on the Christianity Different Religion Blog
Appearing for the first time!
Islam also has Jesus

Saint francis
Dont you mean: Allah be praised?

And I agree, with you!
I was in Puerto Rico late one night.
I was so hungry I saw a restaurant with chicken parts.
It was late so, I asked what do you have left.
The guy said Allah! I was so thankful!
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/19/13


francis, I can't stand by and watch you say things that are a lie. I don't know where you get your information but it is obvious you know nothing a bout the Baptist faith. you don't know one thing your so called commet you made concerning cults. I don't know what book you read but we know a cult is a group of people who follow a man. I think everyone knows that except you. you consistently cut everyone down on christianet blogs. you need to get back in your hole.
---shira4368 on 5/19/13


I found this in the bible!
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Ye judge after the flesh, I judge no man.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Sabbath days, meats, holyday.
Who was it what said:
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
---TheSeg on 5/19/13


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THE KINGDOM OF THE CULTS
{REVISED} by Walter Martin

Appendix C:The Puzzle of Seventh-day Adventism

In a volume such as this dealing with the problem of non-Christian cults, the question might logically be
asked, Why include Seventh-day Adventism, especially since the writer has classified them in a fulllength volume as a Christian denomination?

SDA stands firmly on God's word not baptist definitions

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

God's definition of what constitutes his true church excludes baptist,

Revelation 14:12 the saints: are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
---francis on 5/19/13


The Kingdom of the Cults, by Baptist minister Walter Ralston Martin.

This is his definition of cult:
A cult, as I define it, is any religious group which differs significantly in one or more respects as to belief or practice from those religious groups which are regarded as the normative expressions of religion in our total culture

It has nothing to do with what is biblical, doctrinal or scriptural, only with what is popular
This from baptist who believe that Sunday is the sabbath
they can eat what God alls unclean
Serves Easter the queen of Heaven
serves Tammuz- the December 25th birthday boy
And lives by: In essentials unity, in non-essential liberty, in all things charity
none of which are biblical
---francis on 5/19/13


\\Nope. Your Orthodox because your too dumb to know you're a Catholic.
---Jed on 5/19/13\\

Let me paraphrase what you are saying to see if I understand you.

You don't yet grasp that Orthodox and Catholicism are two different churches, but I am dumb.

Do I have you right?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/19/13


A word about unity. Unity is not in the flesh, but in the Spirit.
Even if you cast parts of your body from you they are part of the body.
Mat_5:29,Mat_5:30

If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body, is it therefore not of the body?
And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body, is it therefore not of the body?

Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee, Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way, first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

Mat_5:44,Mat_5:48
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/19/13


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francis, the same can be said about the SDA's. All you have to do is read "The Kingdom of the Cults" And your denomination is found there. You can say someone is wrong, especially if you are wrong. There is no denomination that is perfect. As long as tares are in the visible Church, especially in position of leadership, you will always have problems with doctrines.
A good example is your teachings that Jesus is Michael the archangel, now that is a flat lie from hell. Jesus Christ is God. Creator of all things. You have got the jesus of the Jehovah witnesses.
---Mark_V. on 5/19/13


stop barking at the moon

The blog question is written by grandma, it addresses false teachers as preached by her pastor from the book of Jude. Grandma is a member of the independent baptist church

My post are quotes from an article called "IN ESSENTIALS UNITY" from the independent baptist website " way of life literature." This article chronicles the heresy ( thier word, not mine) and false teaching found in the baptist churches

The irony here is that a baptist pastor would even dare to preach about false teachers, when his own organisation is speaking out about the heresy ( thier word not mine) in the baptist church

My point: Matthew 7:4
---francis on 5/19/13



\\Catholicism is a false religion.
---Jed on 5/17/13\\

So is Protestantism in any of its forms. That's why I'm Orthodox.
---Cluny on 5/17/13


Nope. Your Orthodox because your too dumb to know you're a Catholic.
---Jed on 5/19/13


The Seg, you say,
"Then lets decide who the friends of grace are and tolerate them.
(We dont have to unite) but we do need unity."

That's what I do. I decide by their answers if they are following the essentials of the Christian faith. We can dispute with another on parts of the Bible that are not clear. But we cannot ever be in unity with those who follow another Jesus, and not the God of the Bible. He is the same, yesterday, today and forever. I do disagree with many on some area's of faith, and I try to correct them, but at least I can read by their answers their faith in Jesus Christ, that is easy to do. People that have a different Jesus are not our brothers. They are brothers to others in a different family.
---Mark_V. on 5/19/13


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But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.


Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth.
Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike.
Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
---TheSeg on 5/18/13


francis, you jump at the chance to stab another Baptist don't you? most of us can get over some things that you alledged read. there are many apostates out there aren't there?
---shira4368 on 5/18/13


When Gods Word speaks, our liberty ends.
---francis on 5/18/13

And yet:

Gal 5:13 "For you, brethren, have been called to liberty, only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another"

We have been called to liberty, not to legality or legalism.

God's Word is clear on many subjects and many others are subjectively understood. Modest dress is a subjective matter. Modern music is a subjective matter. Reverence in worship is a subjective matter.

We must live our lives as a witness to others but not compell them to live their lives as we do. We must remember we are not their master, Jesus is. They will answer to Him and not us.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/18/13


Modesty is considered a non-essential, (In the book Dressing for the Lord, we exegete 25 key Bible passages on this topic which contain principles that can be applied to any nation or culture.) The Bible has spoken on the issue of modesty and we will not treat this as some sort of non-essential.

Sacred music, another so-called non-essential, is actually a fundamental doctrine (Eph. 5:19, Col. 3:16). Music is one of most powerful forces in modern society. It is at the heart and soul of worldliness and compromise and apostasy today. It is a major element in the building of a one-world church. To treat music as some sort of non-essential is spiritual folly.
---francis on 5/18/13


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In 1 Corinthians 11:2 Paul said to the church at Corinth, Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in ALL THINGS,...

This passage deals with hair length and the Lords Supper, which are widely considered to be non-essentials, yet Paul praised the church for remembering him in ALL things.

In light of this clear Bible teaching, I reject the contemporary philosophy that rebukes those who make an issue of hair length rather than rebuking those who flaunt their liberty in this matter. When Gods Word speaks, our liberty ends. When the Word of God says it is a shame for a man to have long hair and that long hair is the womans covering and glory, that is the end of the matter and it is our part to honor God by obeying His Word.
---francis on 5/18/13


Mark_V. on 5/16/13!
OMG! Anyone would think sugar doesn't melt in his month.

Lets decide who the enemies of the cross are and divide from them!
Then lets decide who the friends of grace are and tolerate them.
(We dont have to unite) but we do need unity.

Next:
We should grant each other (the freedom to hold differing viewpoints) and to refrain from caustic letter-writing campaigns to or about those (with whom one might differ.)

Yes francis, I can truly understand you.
Just like a wolf dressed in sheep skins.
Ever read the fable, the scorpion and the frog?

Be sober, be vigilant!
Because your adversary the devil!
As a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour!

Peace
---TheSeg on 5/18/13


Strong axe, It's not difficult to write a book if someone else actually writes it down (dictation)
Apparently Paul had poor eyesight. There are bible scholars who believe Luke was not the author of the epistle that bears his name,
the book doesn't actually say who wrote it. They come up with Luke by deduction!
Schooling was not universal in those days, most were illiterate!
---1st_cliff on 5/18/13


1st_cliff:

It would have been difficult for Peter to write the epistles bearing his name if he himself was not literate.
---StrongAxe on 5/18/13


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In a mailing to its alumni announcing its February 2011 National Leadership Conference, Calvary Baptist Seminary of Lansdale, Pennsylvania, stated:

We should grant each other the freedom to hold differing viewpoints and to refrain from caustic letter-writing campaigns to or about those with whom one might differ. ... in our zeal to earnestly contend for the faith, fundamentalism became more concerned about MINOR ISSUES and less concerned about what the Bible clearly presents as THE MAJORS (Aug. 25, 2010).
---francis on 5/18/13


Cluny, I'll give you that! Never having chanted,I only know what I've heard like Harri Krishna, Harri Harri Krishna etc...(bald guys in saffron robes with tamborines)
I don't know what scriptures encourage chanting,or even if God listens to it! Maybe it's a "feel good" thing?
---1st_cliff on 5/18/13


\\Catholicism is a false religion.
---Jed on 5/17/13\\

So is Protestantism in any of its forms. That's why I'm Orthodox.

A wink to KarenD ,)

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/17/13


In his book Thinking Outside the Box, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) leader Charles Keen said:

Im a slow learner, but I finally realized that not all truth is of equal value. Some truths I differ from others and divide over even die for (as least I should). With others, I might be uncomfortable with how they are handled by my brethren, but I can still fellowship with them either personally or in some cases, ecclesiastically. We need to develop some ecumenicalism within the parameters of fundamentalism. ... Lets decide who the enemies of the cross are and divide from them. Then lets decide who the friends of grace are and tolerate them. We dont have to unite but we do need unity (p. 81).
---francis on 5/17/13


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Cluny...Does that make you en-chanting? Sorry. I just couldn't resist.
---KarenD on 5/17/13


Catholicism is a false religion.
---Jed on 5/17/13


\\Cluny, One doesn't need literacy to chant. I can teach you a "chant' in a foreign language ,after a few practice lessons you would do quite well, even if you didn't know the meaning of the recitation!
---1st_cliff on 5/17/13\\

Since I have degrees in music, and in the Orthodox Church the prayers and Scriptures are NEVER read in an ordinary speaking voice, I think I know a bit more about chanting in worship than YOU do.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/17/13


Cluny, One doesn't need literacy to chant. I can teach you a "chant' in a foreign language ,after a few practice lessons you would do quite well, even if you didn't know the meaning of the recitation!
---1st_cliff on 5/17/13


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\\One doesn't need to be literate to "chant" now do they?
---1st_cliff on 5/16/13\\

I'm not too sure what you mean by this. Are you?

if so, could you please clarify.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/17/13


1stCliff, your erroneous understanding of Acts 4:13 about Peter/John being "unlearned and ignorant" does not imply they couldn't read or write. The context in Acts 4 is they were standing before the Pharisees and Sadduccees in the temple and witnessing Jesus Christ.

When Luke wrote "unlearned and ignorant", he was implying to the ways of the Pharisees and the Sadduccess. It was not that they couldn't read or write. As such, neither John/Peter were trained in the Pharisees and Sadduccees doctrines, that's what "unlearned and ignorant" was referring to.

A child of God born of the Spirit is never ignorant of the Truth to begin with. And mind you, these were apostles of Jesus Christ.
---christan on 5/16/13


Cluny, Nice try at guessing the Apostles could all read and write.
Acts 4.13(KJV) says" Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men they mavelled...."
Where is it written that St.Peter did his own accounting for his fishing business?
One doesn't need to be literate to "chant" now do they?
---1st_cliff on 5/16/13


francis, it does not sound like you know what independent Baptist believe.
---shira4368 on 5/16/13

If you read the article, it does not sound like any baptist know what the believe
---francis on 5/16/13


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francis, it does not sound like you know what independent Baptist believe. we don't believe in calvanism but we believe in proper dress, separation from the world, saved by the blood, and anything else the bible teaches. proper dress does not mean a granny dress and granny shoes and long hair up in a bun. women can dress chic without exposing everthing she shouldn't expose. southern Baptist do not use the king james bible, well, maybe some do but most don't. many believe in Christian rock music in the church.
---shira4368 on 5/16/13


The Promise Keepers Ambassador booklet stated that the following are examples of issues that must be ignored for the sake of unity: Eternal security, the gifts of the Spirit, baptism, Pretribulation or post-tribulation prophecy, sacraments or ordinances (PK Ambassador booklet).

Many Independent Baptists are now buying into this heresy.

The Independent Baptist Friends International conference in 2010, hosted by Clarence Sexton of Crown College, was based on this premise, that such things as the Bible text issue, dress, music, Calvinism, modes and candidates of baptism, and separation from the SBC are non-essentials that should not hinder fellowship and associating together for the sake of evangelism and world missions.
---francis on 5/16/13


francis, while it is great to respect, teach, correct, and even forgive your brothers and sisters, it is impossible to correct, teach and ever be equal with one who is not a brother. The Lord told us there would be division between the children of God and the children of satan. No one knows really who is a real brother in Christ. Some claim that Jesus is Michael the archangel and the Jesus I know, the One from Scripture, is not Michael or an archangel, "He is God."
All those who claim He is an archangel are not my brothers. They might be brothers to those others who are not children of God.
---Mark_V. on 5/16/13


SBC leaders David Dockery, Timothy George, and Thom Rainer express the prevailing philosophy in the following words:

Though I may disagree with some on secondary and tertiary issues, I will not let those points of disagreement tear down bridges of relationships with brothers and sisters in Christ. ... We need a new spirit of mutual respect and humility to serve together with those with whom we have differences of conviction and opinion. It is possible to hold hands with brothers and sisters who disagree on secondary and tertiary matters of theology... (Building Bridges, 2007, pp. 11, 34).
---francis on 5/16/13


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In essentials unity, published March 18, 2010

Jesus commanded His disciples to teach converts to observe ALL things whatsoever I have commanded you (Mat. 28:20).

Paul instructed Timothy to keep the truth without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ (1 Tim. 6:14).

I challenge anyone to show me where the Scripture encourages the believer to stand for the cardinal truths and downplay the peripherals.

Jude instructed every believer to earnestly contend for the faith once delivered to the saints (Jude 3). As Jude didnt delineate what part of the faith is to be defended...Gods people should rally to its defense rather than pretending that it is a non-essential.
---francis on 5/16/13


\\Cluny, The simple fishermen (Apostles) were illiterate in the main\\

That's a myth.

How do you think St. Peter was able to keep accounts of his fishing business were he illiterate?

Several of the Apostles wrote part of the NT, so they were hardly illiterate.

Most Jewish males could read Hebrew well enough to chant the Torah in the Synagogues.

Try again.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/16/13


Cluny, The simple fishermen (Apostles) were illiterate in the main. I'm sure they had no problem understanding "technical theological" meanings huh?
I am quite positive they knew what a "person" was and not a "code" word with hidden meaning.
Someone stays awake at night dreaming up these terms(technically theological, homoousios, etc..) to confound those earnestly seeking the truth!
The only ones who "get it' are the trinitarian touts!
---1st_cliff on 5/15/13


"In my opinion,evangelical fundamentalists are the greatest false teachers of all, Beliefs=
#1 That God tortures humans in a fire (underground yet!!!)
#2 That once born,people can never die!
#3 That God has 3 personalities !
All pagan and unsupported in scripture!" 1stCliff


Simply put, you're a perfect definition of an UNBELIEVER & BLASPHEMER.
---christan on 5/16/13


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\\Cluny, The dictionary definition of "person" is "individual"
So you have 3 individual persons,(that's 3 people in common terms)
Since each "person" is labeled "God" that's 3 Gods!\\

As I said, "persons" has a technical theological meaning here that is NOT the same as the common use. You obviously don't get it.

It's pointless to give you such strong food when you clearly don't even believe in the real Jesus and therefore cannot even digest milk yet.

Christ is risen.
---Cluny on 5/15/13


Your pastor needs to read:WAY OF LIFE LITERATURE--
IN ESSENTIALS UNITY
---francis on 5/13/13

WHY IS IT THAT FRANCIS HAS TROUBLE WITH PEOPLE PREACHING OUT OF THE BIBLE?????
---KarenD on 5/15/13

I was not aware that
WAY OF LIFE LITERATURE--was the bible

Nor am I familiar with the book chapter and verse that says<> where is it?
IN ESSENTIALS UNITY
---francis on 5/15/13


The spurious concept of being "slain in the spirit" makes my skin crawl! No musical instruments in the church-house? Really?! Women pastors? Church legalists won't let you wear makeup Grandma! Incredible!!! :) ---Leon on 5/15/13


As I said before, I don't understand how people can speak in tongues (Holy Spirit's assistance).
I have prayed, but I never have spoken in tongues.

But, my dear Friend who is Pentecostal, and speaks in Tongue weekly if not daily is the HOLIEST person I know to date.

I know God is proud of her and her family. She is truly blessed. Maybe that's how she speaks in Tongues. Who knows?
A HOLY MYSTERY
---Nikki on 5/15/13


Cliff ol' bud. The Trinity is basically like this: For purpose of this illustration, there is only one Cliff family. 1st Cliff is the head of the family. She Cliff is the heart & spirit of the family. Then there's lil' sonny boy, He Cliff. Now, they're all integral & equal parts of the Cliff family. All are Cliff! But each of the three members of the Cliff family have three distinctly different personalities & function within the Cliff household & family. But all are of the "one" Cliff family though obviously three distinct individual persons. Comprende amigo? :)
---Leon on 5/15/13


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Leon, I may not always agree with your theology,but I got to say, I like your style!
---1st_cliff on 5/15/13


Cluny, The dictionary definition of "person" is "individual"
So you have 3 individual persons,(that's 3 people in common terms)
Since each "person" is labeled "God" that's 3 Gods!
Trying to hide it with the smoke and mirrors of "Spiritually discened" is akin to slight-of-hand!
Why don't you say it like it really is? three Gods=a trinity .
three people is a "trio"
three appartments is a "tri-plex"
three horses is a "troika"
Fess up!
---1st_cliff on 5/15/13


My pastor has just finished preaching on the book of Jude. He emphasized that we need to be on guard against false teachers.
---Grandma on 5/13/13
Your pastor needs to read:WAY OF LIFE LITERATURE--
IN ESSENTIALS UNITY
---francis on 5/13/13

WHY IS IT THAT FRANCIS HAS TROUBLE WITH PEOPLE PREACHING OUT OF THE BIBLE?????
---KarenD on 5/15/13


Oneness Pentecostals believe God manifests Himself as, first, the Father. Then He goes back behind the curtain/veil, does a wardrobe change & re-appears as the Son, "then" He again returns to wardrobe & changes into the Holy Spirit. Some churches say speaking in tongues (ecstatic babble) is "the evidence" of one having received the Holy Spirit? If you don't speak in tongues, you don't have the Holy Spirit. Gotta love the "name it & claim it" bunch & the snake handlers? The spurious concept of being "slain in the spirit" makes my skin crawl! No musical instruments in the church-house? Really?! Women pastors? Church legalists won't let you wear makeup Grandma! Incredible!!! :)
---Leon on 5/15/13


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\\Cluny,If they don't have individual "personalities then what do you call it?\\

The proper term is PERSONS, not personalities.

And in this context, "person" has a technical theological meaning.

But I don't expect you to understand this because spiritual things are spiritually discerned.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/15/13


Cluny,If they don't have individual "personalities then what do you call it?
#1 Christ and Father forgives, Holy Spirit does not!
#2 Jesus died and was resurrected, Holy Spirit and Father were not!
#3 Jesus Prayed to the Father, Holy Spirit prayed to no one , niether did the Father
#4 Father and Son both send Holy Spirit, Holy Spirit sends no one!
#5 Holy Spirit was manifested as fire,dove,wind ,Father and Son had no unusual manifestations.
etc. etc. etc. ad infinitum!
Well????
---1st_cliff on 5/14/13


But 1stCliff, you've not dealt with my main point about how Trinitarians have never said God has "three personalities," as you falsely claimed.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/14/13


Cluny, Bravo, you got me back,I think they call that "tit-for-tat"
---1st_cliff on 5/14/13


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I would think anyone closely looking at their own church.
If you really understood everything God was saying, would find.

What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin,

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable, there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Their throat is an open sepulchre, with their tongues they have used deceit, the poison of asps is under their lips:
Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

On and on and on
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/14/13


\\pseudo-Christians are great with "labels"
---1st_cliff on 5/14/13\\

That's right, 1st_cliff. You sure are ready with your labels, like "false teacher."

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/14/13


People did not divide themselves from Jesus only because of different ideas and practices.
---willie_c: on 5/14/13


My pastor has just finished preaching on the book of Jude. He emphasized that we need to be on guard against false teachers.
---Grandma on 5/13/13
Your pastor needs to read:WAY OF LIFE LITERATURE--
IN ESSENTIALS UNITY
---francis on 5/13/13


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1st cliff,

I'm a fundamentalist (i.e. believing in the fundamentals of Christianity) but I don't believe the Bible teaches God tortures people in hell with fire. You've been listening to too many Calvinists i.e. a psychopathic enjoyment of people suffering, similar to what Muslims believe.
---Marc on 5/13/13


Definition of a heretic= Anyone who does not agree with and share your belief!
pseudo-Christians are great with "labels"
---1st_cliff on 5/14/13


\\#3 That God has 3 personalities !\\

This is not what Trinitarian doctrine has ever said, but truth has never mattered to heretics.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/13/13


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