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Can We Trust The Bible

Is the Bible the entire Word of God, or just the words that Jesus is quoted as saying in the Gospels? If every book in the Bible was written by men who were inspired by God, can we trust that every book is Truth, especially the Epistles?

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Luke 13:23 "Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able."

Luke 13:26_27 "Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are, depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity."

Only the workers of iniquity be left out.

John 8:51 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death."
---Nana on 5/22/13


Warwick, you now say,

"Christan, it seems those not preordained may/should live as they please as they are hellbound any way."

Brother Warwick, I know you know that the lost live life anyway they want. And that is everyone, even the children of God before they are saved, just read Eph. 2 where it says we use to walk "according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lust of the flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath.." but not anymore. You see, everyone lived life as they wanted outside of God.
---Mark_V. on 5/22/13


Eph 1:4,5 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Yes Mark this seems to support your postion. If we ignore the fact that JESUS wants all to be saved. NASB - 2Pe 3:9 - The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance. NASB.

So does GOD decide for us? YOu have Tulip that says so. But what if the U and L are wrong? Then so are you. The Bible shows that GOD loves all. You deny this.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/22/13


"I've shown you verses, and all you do is reject them." Cluny

First and foremost, don't kid yourself. You hardly quote verses from the Holy Bible in your blogs.

Secondly, if ever I reject anything from you, it's your theology and your understanding. I never reject anything that's from the sixty-six books of the Holy Bible (notice I say sixty-six books). Remember this the next time you "quote from the Bible" (if ever you do), it's your understanding that I reject not the Scripture.
---christan on 5/22/13


Christan, it seems those not preordained may/should live as they please as they are hellbound any way.

Adam's sin brought the curse and death upon the world, and Christ's sacrifice repealed it. But why should the chosen suffer and die for millennia when Adam was preordained to sin anyway? Why should the whole universe be marred (Romans 8:22) because a preordained sinner sinned? What a monster this god is!

Those who reject Christ never had the chance to do otherwise.

Noting what the early church leaders wrote Calvanist Loraine Boettner wrote "It may occasion some surprise to discover that the doctrine of Predestination was not made a matter of special study until near the end of the fourth century.."
---Warwick on 5/22/13




Warwick, you say,

"..means He has ordained that billions of His children were born never having a chance of salvation."

That is the wrong idea. The children of God are not every single person. His children are those born of God, those chosen from the foundation of the world. The others are Satan's children, children of wrath. (1,2 Peter are addressed to the "Us" the believers, the beloved in (2 Peter 3:8), and the full amount of which will come to faith, He is not willing that any of them perish. Since the whole passages is about God's destroying the wicked. His patience is not so He can save every single person since the emphasis is that He will destroy the ungodly reserved for fire(2 Peter.3:7)
---Mark_V. on 5/22/13


Christan: "That is, one is saved because He has chosen them to be save [sic], unconditionally"

Let me guess. You are in the "saved" pile, aren't you? I'll bet you think that we who disagree with you are in the "lost" pile, don't you? That's good news for us, since Christ came to save the "lost". Too bad for you.

Luk 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.


---jerry6593 on 5/22/13


\\You'll be hard pressed by the verses I have shown you to reconcile it with your thinking.\\

I've shown you verses, and all you do is reject them.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/21/13


Warwick, you quote John 3:16 & 2 Peter 3:9 to justify your own erroneous understanding.

I will show you verses from John 6:37,44,65, Acts 13:48, Ephesians 1:4-6 that your understanding of the above mentioned verses by you will hit a brick wall. You'll be hard pressed by the verses I have shown you to reconcile it with your thinking.

And no, Scripture does not contradict Scripture, which then means John 3:16 and 2 Peter 3:9 are the consequence of the verses I have shown you. Remember that God is a "God of order not confusion". That is, one is saved because He has chosen them to be save, unconditionally (Romans 9:11).
---christan on 5/21/13


"This would make them but 'cannon fodder' and God an unjust tyrant." Warwick

"...Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

For He saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

Therefore hath He mercy on whom He will have mercy, and whom He will He hardeneth. Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?"


Is this "tyranny" in your eyes or God's sovereign?
---christan on 5/21/13




Christan 2 Peter 3:9 reads "The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance."

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life" John 3:16

As I see it the idea that God selects those who are worthy of forgiveness means He has ordained that billions of His children were born never having a chance of salvation. This would make them but 'cannon fodder' and God an unjust tyrant.
---Warwick on 5/21/13


Paul taught the New Covenant which was a fullilment of the process GOD started in Eden.

Hbr 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Hbr 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel.

This was promised by Isiah.

We can trust the Bible because we can see a lot of proof for many parts of the Bible. We can read the fulfilled prophicies. We also know that there have been some spelling errors but they are small and minor.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/21/13


Paul explains the preaching of the cross as it was given to him by Christ:
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness, but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 1 Cor 1:17-18
Although we now know that the redemptive work of Christs death and resurrection is the crux of our message of salvation for today, be careful not to read into Jesus ministry what is not there.

We would search in vain for a clear presentation of the preaching of the cross in the ministry of Jesus and the disciples in Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John.
---michael_e on 5/21/13


Is the Bible the entire Word of God, or just the words that Jesus is quoted as saying in the Gospels? If every book in the Bible was written by men who were inspired by God, can we trust that every book is Truth, especially the Epistles?
---Grandma on 5/16/13

how did we get off such a great topic?
---francis on 5/21/13


Paul came with a new message of salvation that Jesus never taught.
---barb on 5/20/13

If Paul did come with a new message...different than Jesus taught he is doomed. He would not do that.
He is mis-interpreted by denominational men. Their twist/slant is incorrect and may be why it doesn't mesh for you.

His fundamentals are stated: Acts 26:6 And now I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise made of God, unto our fathers:

7 Unto which promise our twelve tribes, instantly serving God day and night, hope to come. For which hope's sake, king Agrippa, I am accused of the Jews.
(He is being judged by 1 instead of twelve as he states)
Most denom's do the same...judge by the jews....
---Trav on 5/21/13


Warwick, firstly I ask you this: if according to you "Jesus died and rose again for all" shouldn't "all" be going to heaven? After all, Christ is God and as God who's Almighty, who can resist His power to save? You are saying His death alone was insufficient to save, and that's impossible.

Secondly, in the believing of Christ, you have put the cart before the horse. Why? That's because Scripture says, "...and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed", confirming John 6:44,65 that one has to be first elected and drawn by God to be saved. Believing is the consequence of salvation not vice-versa as you implied.
---christan on 5/21/13


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"Paul came with a new message of salvation that Jesus never taught." barb

Would you like to enlighten us what this "new message of salvation that Jesus never taught" you are referring to? Better still, show us the verses in comparison that's different from what Jesus taught.

You sure are having a hard time believing the sixty-six books of the Holy Bible is one whole organic teaching that's all about Jesus Christ, aren't you?
---christan on 5/21/13


Ruben, 1 Timothy 2:3,4 reads "....it is pleasing in the sight of God our Saviour, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth." Then vs. 6 "who gave himself as a ransom for all,...." This agrees with 2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.

I believe Jesus died and rose again for all, but that only those who believe in him and repent gain forgiveness and eternal life. Therefore I see no contradiction between 1 Timothy 2:6 and Hebrews 5:9. Only obedience separates the forgiven from the unforgiven.
---Warwick on 5/21/13


barb, you say you believe the word of God and reject almost all of it. What you are really saying is that you believe the word of God only the parts you want to believe. Scripture is written by authors who were inspired by the Holy Spirit. What you are saying also is that only a few authors of Scripture were inspired, the rest were liars. And you also say, you are the gage by which they go by, if they do not fit your perception of what is Truth, you reject that author. If you do not believe in the author of Genesis, how do you even know you need a Savior? Jesus never spoke about Adam's fall, and that all descendants of Adam needed a Savior. And how do you know that Apostle John was telling the Truth when He wrote John, 1,2 John and Revelation?
---Mark_V. on 5/21/13


//Paul came with a new message of salvation that Jesus never taught.//

An example please.
---Scott1 on 5/21/13


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Barb on 5/10/13 ---- I Won't loose my enteral life ? -- I Guest were your coming from, when Jesus speaks in the bible - that's the most important parts -

REVELATION - 22:19 And if any man shall take away the Words of the Book of prophecy, god shall take away his part out of the book of life, --------------------

How you can conclude that, with verse - 2 Timothy3:16 - you got me - But that being So: You don't believe your running in trouble with taking, away from the word ? Saying some parts of the bible, are more important than others ? What I see is that your taking away - or has the inspiration of God - made mistakes ?
---RICHARDC on 5/20/13


Ruben, "all" in 2 Timothy 3:16 is not in the same context to 1 Timothy 2:6. Don't confuse yourself. Here's why, one speaks about where the words of the Scriptures comes from and the other is particularly to salvation. That is, the "all" when read in context is not the same.

Anyways, the "all" in 1 Timothy 2:6 does not include everyone of mankind, because Jesus declared, "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." John 6:37.

Therefore, if the "all" is everyone of mankind, then no one should be going to hell, period. But multitudes are already in Hades, what say you on your "all"?
---christan on 5/20/13


Scott, Paul also says in 1 Cor 11:1, "Be ye followers of me (Paul) as I am also a follower of Christ." The trouble with following Paul is that he goes beyond the Words of Jesus Christ. Paul came with a new message of salvation that Jesus never taught.

I follow Jesus and if you are one of those who have a problem with that...well, it is your problem and not mine. I am at peace with my decision and rely on the Holy Spirit to lead me into Truth and understanding. 1 John 5:17-20.
---barb on 5/20/13


Scott, I want to add this: Jesus speaking to His disciples said, "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, shall teach you all things AND BRING ALL THINGS TO YOUR REMBRANCE, WHATSOVER I HAVE TOLD YOU". John 14:26 and also see John 15:27. Jesus promised His disciples that the Holy Spirit, not a man named Paul would teach them. John was acknowledged as a disciple by Jesus, Himself and Paul was not. Jesus never spoke of Paul unless you want to count Rev 2:2.

I won't loose my eternal life because I do not follow the words of Paul but I will loose out completely if I reject the Word of God.
---barb on 5/20/13


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"All" mentioned by Paul is without exception, ie Genesis to Revelation.
---christan on 5/17/13

Really you do not believe this?

"Who gave himself a ransom for all" ( 1 Tim 2:6)

"And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him," (Heb 5:9)

First verse tell us for "All" and the second verse tells us for those of us who obey him:)
---Ruben on 5/20/13


//I follow Jesus because He said Follow me. A Christian follows other Christians.//

Barb, I agree we follow Christ and Christ alone.
You quote 1 John 2:27 from John. I quote 1 Corinthians 1 10-13 from Paul which says the same thing that we follow Christ see also Ephesians throughout "in Christ, in Him". So why do you treat Paul as evil and an anti-christ?
---Scott1 on 5/20/13


Christan: I will end our exchange with this.I could very well be in error. I am both finite and falible. I concede to the reality that my understanding is limited. I make no claim to hold irrefutable truth concerning the things of God. I only embrace the truth given me, fully recognizing that there will always be room within me for growth, and a deeper understanding. As one who does call themselves "Christian", please pray with me that the eyes of my understanding continue to be opened. That I might be Truly enlightened by The Truth. That I might know Him. "The only true God, and Jesus [the] Christ, whom [He] has sent." Thanks for the exchange. I have enjoyed it:o)
---Josef on 5/20/13


--Mark_V. on 5/20/13. Exactly Brother Mark. I think that you know, that I know, "that all scripture is given by the inspiration of God," and that I would never deny or argue that fact. I appreciate your taking the time to consider and understand my statements.
---Josef on 5/20/13


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JEREMIAH 36:4 - Then Jeremiah called Baruch the son of Neriah, and Baruch wrote from the mouth of Jeremiah all the words of the Lord he had spoken unto him , upon a roll of a book.

2 PETER 1:21 - For the prophecy came not in old times by the will of man: but Holy men of God spake as they were moved by the holy ghost.
---RICHARDC on 5/20/13


Christan, I have a problem with nothing, which of course includes you.
If the question you are referencing is "if you claim to follow Jesus Christ and you're not a Christian, what then do you call yourself?" It was answered 5/18/13
However I will reiterate. I call myself what Jesus, the prophets, and the apostles He inspired, has called His followers. A disciple.> Jhn 8:31>A friend.>Jhn 15:15>Jhn 3:29>A son of the living God.>Hsa 1:10>Rom 9:26>A member of the body of Christ>1Cr 12:27.
Now to repeat my question to you on 5/17/13. "What does not calling oneself a "Christian" have to do with "that hypocrisy"?
---Josef on 5/19/13


Barb on 5/19/13 Beautifully stated.
My reasons are basically the same.
Christian, In 'my' mind, denotes membership in one of the many denominations of Christianity, as the 'religions', or the various methods of worship within Christendom. I choose not to join or associated my with any denominational religions. Nor do I chose to be labeled with, Catholic, baptist, Evangelical, or any other religious tag. The only method of worship that I personally adhere to is written in James Jam 1:27. And Christan, If you believe that to be "wreaked with hypocrisy all the way and false humility". Then I certainly will not argue, or judge, Your belief. I would never judge another man's servant, and arguing is futile.
---Josef on 5/20/13


Bro. Josef, I believe I know what you are getting at. You say that not every word written in the Word of God is God's words. When satan spoke, it was satan's words, even though they are found in the Word of God. When David showed his emotions, anger or joy in many Psalms, they are his words not God's.
The authors sometimes write as if looking through the eyes of God (as spokesmen for God- Noumenologically from God's perspective) perticularly in moral matters, but in narrative sections they frequently describe things the way they appear from a human perspective (as a reporter's speaking from his perspective-phenomenomenologically). Is that what you were answering about?
---Mark_V. on 5/20/13


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josef, you still did not answer my question but I guess from your round the mulberry bush replies, you have a problem saying you're a Christian.

Both you and barb are just fooling yourselves telling people you're a "follower of Christ" and yet having a hard time telling people being a Christian is actually one who follows Christ and His teachings.

Dictionary defines a Christian - "of, pertaining to, or derived from Jesus Christ or His teachings: a Christian faith. of, pertaining to, believing in, or belonging to the religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ"

Bottomline, your confessions of being a follower of Christ is wreak with hypocrisy all the way and false humility.
---christan on 5/19/13


Barb you say Here is why I call myself a Follower of Jesus//
Do you follow the Lord in circumcision (Luke 2:21). Do you follow Him into the synagogue on the Sabbath (Luke 4:16) Do you follow Him as One under the Law, obeying them that sit in Moses seat (Gal. 4:4 & Matt. 23:1-3). Do you heal the sick, cleanse lepers, raise the dead (Matt. 10:8). If anyone sues you, would you contest the suit, or give them more than they demand (Matt. 5:40). If someone borrow from you, would you deny them, or lend without expecting to be repaid (Matt. 5:42 & Luke 6:34-35). If you are following Jesus of Nazareth, you should do these things, Jesus Himself taught and practiced them.
But we know you can't.
You should be following the risen Christ.
---michael_e on 5/19/13


"Now I know why you don't call yourself a Christian."
No. You don't have a clue.
"josef my question was: if you claim to follow Jesus Christ and you're not a Christian, what then do you call yourself?"
No, your question was, "If you don't call yourself a Christian, what are you?" Therefore my answer was completely valid and relevant.
By the way, my response to your generally addressed question, on 5/17/13 "isn't that hypocrisy?" was my question to you, and I quote, "Why would it be?" Which was never answered.
MarkV my response was to this specific question "Isn't every word in the Bible from the mouth of God?"
---Josef on 5/19/13


Here is why I call myself a Follower of Jesus...just in case anyone really wants to hear. I am not a follower of Christianity, I follow Jesus because He said Follow me. A Christian follows other Christians. He follows the beliefs and practices of the leader of whatever church group he belongs to. My Leader and my teacher is Jesus Christ. I follow His Word and His Testimony because I know it is True.

1st John 2:27 "But the annointing which you have received from Him, lives in you and you do not need ANY MAN to teach you, but the same annointing teaches you all things, and is no lie, and even as it has taught you, you shall abide in Him."
---barb on 5/19/13


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can we trust that every book is Truth, especially the Epistles?
---Grandma on 5/16/13

Can't trust men. We can trust multiple scriptural witnesses.
2 Corinthians 13:1
This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.
Isaiah 34:16
Seek ye out of the book of the Lord, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.
Deuteronomy 19:15
One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.
---Trav on 5/19/13


josef, my question was: if you claim to follow Jesus Christ and you're not a Christian, what then do you call yourself? Your answer: "I am just a nobody, trying to tell everybody, about somebody, who can save everybody" has nothing to do with the question I was asking about one following Jesus Christ.

You not believing that every word in the Bible is from the mouth of God, that's your problem. But to quote Job 34:35-37>38:2> and then Matthew 16:22,23 to justify your unbelief, it's ridiculous. Neither of those Scriptures in context talks about the Scripture not coming from the mouth of God. Basically, you are declaring that the Holy Bible is filled with errors.

Now I know why you don't call yourself a Christian.
---christan on 5/19/13


Josef, here is how I see it. The whole of Scripture is inspired by God. It's His Word to us. We know the writers of Scripture wrote everything down as they were moved by the Spirit. Even the lies of Satan, and others in Scripture. We know the Devil is a liar, because the Word of God tells us what he said to deceive others. That is why we need to believe the Word of God, the Bible is Truth, otherwise we would never find out who the devil was and many other things. All those things are in Scripture. We also know that many times what the writers wrote came from their heart, even those things God wanted the writers to write. What they saw with their own eyes and what they felt. We would not have the Psalm's of David, if we did not believe the Bible.
---Mark_V. on 5/19/13


"Isn't every word in the Bible from the mouth of God? "
My apologies Christan, I overlooked this question. My answer is no.
Every word in the bible, I believe to be truly stated, however not every word is a statement of truth. Examples: Job 34:35-37>38:2>Job himself acknowledged that I " uttered what I did not understand, Things too wonderful for me, which I did not know." 42:3 Yet his words are documented in scripture. Also see Matthew 16:22,23. Jesus rebuked Satan for the words he inspired in Peter, saying "Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men."
---Josef on 5/18/13


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so when we take everything together: the accurate prophecies, the health laws, the scientific revelations, and the historic and archaeological find, and we compare the bible to any other spiritual book, we find that we can believe and trust the bible over any other spiritual book.

The Epistles themselves contain nothing new, but rather the expounding of certain passages of scripture which were relevant to the correcting and edification of the early church
---francis on 5/19/13


Grandma: Of course we can trust the entire Bible - from Genesis to Revelation - as the inspired Word of God. What's the alternative? the word of man? the opinion of a preacher? a concensus of intellectuals?

The Word is so straightforward that a child can understand it, yet so deep that it confounds the wise. What other book does that?



---jerry6593 on 5/19/13


"Why defensive?" Christan the statement was not intended as a defense. I am not about defense, or offense. It was simply a question to you, and a stated fact.
"If you don't call yourself a Christian, what are you? As far as what I am, Secularly, in the words of a song, "I am just a nobody, trying to tell everybody, about somebody, who can save everybody." Spiritually, I am a child of the living God, called to be a disciple, and called to share that which I have been taught.
---Josef on 5/18/13


"the gift of faith from God" is what separates the Christian from the rest of the world. For it is with this "faith" through regeneration that the sinner comes alive to the Word of God to believe they are sinful and that Christ is the only way to eternal life.

And it is with this "faith" that the Christian does not require physical evidence to support what the Holy Bible declares. For Christ said to Thomas,

"...blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."
---christan on 5/18/13


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Bible historical statements are accurate. What God says in His book is true. Sometimes, temporarily, evidence may not be found to substantiate certain historical facts from the Bible, but in time the evidence surfaces. Note the following:

Articles about Abraham, Moses, The exodus, the kings of Israel, sodom, Nineveh, have all been discovered, proving that these people and places did exist
---francis on 5/18/13


"Why would it be? Jesus never called His followers Christians, nor is it documented that His followers ever call themselves Christians." josef

Why defensive? Did I particularly called you out? Please read, "And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch." Acts 11:26, "Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God on this behalf." 1 Peter 4:6

Jesus rebuked the devil when tempted, saying "It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." Isn't every word in the Bible from the mouth of God?

If you don't call yourself a Christian, what are you?
---christan on 5/18/13


God knows all He means by His word. We can trust how He us living and loving the way He means.
---willie_c: on 5/18/13


"Really? Some of what we now accept as the Bible had not been written when St. Paul wrote this."

And God revealed this to you or is it just your own "secular" idea that this is so because you find it hard to understand, let alone belief what is written in the Bible to be the words of God?

Then maybe someone is missing in you when you read the Holy Bible, for Christ did tell us "It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." John 6:63

Does this make sense to you? The Scripture always say, "He who has ears, let him hear." Do you hear?
---christan on 5/18/13


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prophecies concerning Jesus

1. Born in Bethlehem Micah 5:2 Matthew 2:1
2. Born of a virgin Isaiah 7:14 Matthew 1:18-23
3. Of David's lineage Jeremiah 23:5 Revelation 22:16
4. Attempted murder by Herod Jeremiah 31:15 Matthew 2:16-18
5. Betrayal by a friend Psalms 41:9 John 13:18, 19, 26
6. Sold for 30 silver coins Zechariah 11:12 Matthew 26:14-16
7. Crucified Zechariah 12:10 John 19:16-18, 37
8. Lots cast for His clothes Psalms 22:18 Matthew 27:35
9. No bones broken Psalms 34:20 Exodus 12:46 John 19:31-36
10. Buried in rich man's tomb Isaiah 53:9 Matthew 27:57-60
11. Year, day, hour of His death Daniel 9:26, 27 Exodus 12:6 Matthew 27:45-50
12. Raised the third day Hosea 6:2 Acts 10:38-40
---francis on 5/18/13


The words that Jesus spoke in the gospels are mainly to the Jews.
---jan4378 on 5/17/13

jan, at risk of offending your statement is 10/12th's incorrect.
Jesus did come to his own (immediate family), Judah. They would have him not. If prophets are researched it's found that the "Lost Sheep" were the other 11 names of the house of Israel. Matt 10:6 and 15:24.
As far as the covenant goes it only mentions these two participants. The house of Israel...AND Judah. Ref Heb 8:8 and Jer 31:31.
Acts 2:36
Therefore let "all" the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Three letter alerts: "all", "and".
---Trav on 5/18/13


After his resurrection, Jesus pointed to the prophecies concerning Himself as his proof.

In addition to the prophecies, the bible is first in science in many things. who show the knowledge of God

Here are a few Bible statements that have been confirmed by science:

"He . . . hangeth the earth upon nothing." Job 26:7. This scientific fact is from Job, the Bible's oldest book.

"He . . . sitteth upon the circle of the earth." Isaiah 40:22. The Bible said the earth is round centuries before man found out.

"To make the weight for the winds." Job 28:25. Long before scientists knew, God said air has weight.
---francis on 5/18/13


Nikki: Not all Bibles are published as Red Letter Editions, wit the words of Jesus printed in red. People buy them as a matter of personal preference.

How do you know that the Lord did not teach Paul, Peter, and the other writers of the Bible to write things that He is not quoted as saying in the Gospels? I am certain that Jesus had plenty of conversations with the apostles which were not recorded in Scripture. How do you know that Peter was not told by Christ that Jesus is the Rock upon which He will build His Church?
---Grandma on 5/18/13


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Grandma, I still love that name.

You all really know, I don't believe everything is in the bible.
That is why the Holy Spirit is own teacher.
For the Restivus, it's like Seinfeld Festivus!

If every book in the Bible was written by men who were inspired by God, can we trust that every book is Truth, especially the Epistles?

I believe as inspired people of God we can, with the help of his Spirit!
The problems come in when men who are not inspired by God, start interpreting the inspired words of God.

You can't tell them anything, because they're just words.
And that's the way they see it, words!

How can uninspired men understand inspired men?
What communion hath light with darkness?
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/17/13


"Then there are those who claim to follow Christ but say they don't call themselves Christian - isn't that hypocrisy?"---Christan on 5/17/13
Why would it be? Jesus never called His followers Christians, nor is it documented that His followers ever call themselves Christians.
Hypocrisy is defined as "a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess."
What does not calling oneself a "Christian" have to do with that?
---Josef on 5/17/13


"Can We Trust The Bible?" We can trust the One who inspired it.
---Josef on 5/17/13


Grandma, i do not think thay you are in any way trying to discredit one word in the bible. I think you are trying to start a meaninful discusion on the credibility of the bible.

The way it is framed id funny to me.
---francis on 5/17/13


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francis:

You wrote: We know we can trust the bible mainly because of the cuuracy of the prophecies, not because we are told that God inspirired the men who wrote it.

But that only speaks to the accuracy of those prophecies themselves. How about books that didn't contain any prophecies at all? Remember, there have been disagreements throughout history about whether certain books (like Esther, for example) should be included in the canon.

Also, remember the warning about prophets - that one should not follow a prophet whose prophecies come true, yet who tells one to follow other gods. The very fact that such a warming is necessary means it is possible for someone to prophesy accurately, yet still teach wrong things.
---StrongAxe on 5/18/13


Anyway to continue answering the blog question, I would like to consider the prophecies of daniel:
four nation that will arise
When we read those prophecies and see the accuracy of them, we begin to get the sense that the bble is probably true, we turn that probability of truth into faith.

Four nation arise ( babylon, medio persia, greece, fourth beast)
one starts off as two ( medeo persia) nationa nd them become one
one starts off as one nation becomes four ( greece)
from one of those four starts a little nation that fills the earth ( fourth nation)
from that one nation comes ten, and three of those ten are destroyed

to accurate to be coincident
---francis on 5/18/13


I think Grandma is speaking about when I was asking direct quotes from Jesus.

I voiced that Jesus Words in the Bible are higher in importance than any other person, prophet or apostle.
Jesus is God and they are not.
Their words are inspired by Jesus.
No one has to inspire Jesus Words. NO ONE.

Those who produce Bibles seems to agree with me, because they only give Jesus a different color ink for when He speaks.

It's in the Bible. There shouldn't be any disagreement.
Jesus is God and everyone else isn't God.
---Nikki on 5/18/13


Grandma, those who want to bring doubt to what Paul wrote, do it to their own destruction. When he Paul, said all, it means all of Scripture. Peter says,
to be diligent, to be found by Jesus in peace without spot and blameless. Considering that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, who had written to them. "as also in all his epistels, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own distruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures" (2 Peter 3:14-18).
---Mark_V. on 5/18/13


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\\"All" mentioned by Paul is without exception, ie Genesis to Revelation. \\

Really? Some of what we now accept as the Bible had not been written when St. Paul wrote this.

And there were other writings, eventually not accepted as Biblical that were circulating among local churches.

You're really using a circular argument.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/17/13


Francis: What is so funny?
---Grandma on 5/17/13


to the OP> The words that Jesus spoke in the gospels are mainly to the Jews. He said he came to them foremost. The epistles are especially of the new covenant and to those who believe in Jesus Christ. So, definitely read them!
---jan4378 on 5/17/13


We know we can trust the bible mainly because of the cuuracy of the prophecies, not because we are told that God inspirired the men who wrote it.

We first consider that if these prophecies written in the bible came true, then there probability is thatthe bible is true

now conserning the spistles. There is nothing new in any of these epistle, except for a few verses in revelation. What the apostles did was quote and expond on what was written in the books of the OT
---francis on 5/17/13


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Grandma, was I judging you or anyone? On the contrary, the Word of God is what judges you and I by the words that comes from our hearts.

Scripture is clear and precised, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Timothy 3:16,17

"All" mentioned by Paul is without exception, ie Genesis to Revelation. To say that only Jesus's teachings in the Gospels is the only truth is sheer hypocrisy. Then there are those who claim to follow Christ but say they don't call themselves Christian - isn't that hypocrisy?
---christan on 5/17/13


Furthermore, when Scripture in the OT gives an account of "Come, let us reason together.", it was not in perspective to questioning the Word of God but rather to cross-reference the Word with what is being taught and propagated out there.

Eg, there are those who worship angels and claim that Christ was an angel. And when we say "Come, let us reason together.", do we question the Word? No! The Word is what guide us to know if these people who vehemently worship angels are Christians or not.

Does that mean we are judging them? No! Jesus said, "For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."
---christan on 5/17/13


I must say I have learned alot about Catholicism on these blogs over the past few weeks and I can say that I am even more grateful NOT to be a Catholic. Here are some Catholic beliefs I have learned about on these blogs:

1) That Mary remained a virgin her entire life.

2) That Mary never sinned.

3) They deny the ultimate authority of the Bible.

4) The Bible is not inerrant.

5) That the teachings and traditions of their denomination hold more authority (or at least equal authority) than the Bible.

6) That only Catholics are truly believers.

7) That when the Bible talks about the church, it is actually referring to THEIR church, the Roman Catholic Church. (LOL. That is the funniest one).
---Jed on 5/17/13


lol lol lol THIS IS TOO FUNNY
---francis on 5/17/13


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Christan: I did not write the question because of unbelief I wrote it, because there was such a discussion on another thread, which had reached the 75 reply maximum.

There are some people on CN who believe that the only words in Scripture we can trust are the direct quotes of Jesus. I wanted to get a consensus of what others here believed.

Don't be so quick to judge. A lot of people post hypothetical questions.
---Grandma on 5/17/13


This question I had to answer before I become a Christian. It took me two years and a lot of research before I could say yes we can trust the entire Bible.

That is not to say there are not minor differences and some spelling errors in the Bible that had to be corrected.

Today the Bible is under attack from both inside and outside the Christian Denominations. We need to be able to answer legitimate questions about why we believe the Bible is true.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/17/13


The standard for accurate literature is Homer's Illiad which we have a few parts of many editions that have been combined to form one copy which is at least 500 years after the original. The oldest copies of the epistle and the gospels are less than 100 years old and are mostly complete editions. We also have the Dead Sea Scrolls which has preserved the OT from the time of the Bible just for today. False gospels like the gospel of Judas, Mary, etc which have been recently found were written in 300 AD and do not follow the main points of the other books in thought or style. Paul's letters were not discarded in the past like the false gospels were but spread around to different churchs preserving the knowledge and context of the books.
---Scott1 on 5/17/13


\\How can one call himself/herself a Christian and in the same breathe that God has given to them ask such a question as "can we trust that every book is Truth, especially the Epistles?"\\

There is nothing wrong with asking questions, christan. Even in the OT, it says, "Come, let us reason together."

We walk by faith--but it's not a BLIND faith. That is a feature of mahometanism.

However, I don't expect you to be able to grasp this.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/17/13


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How can one call himself/herself a Christian and in the same breathe that God has given to them ask such a question as "can we trust that every book is Truth, especially the Epistles?"

Such are truly words of an unconverted soul that imagine they are converted. As Paul declares, "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools".

Faith from God is so powerful that Christ mentioned, "Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven." He who has ears, let him hear.
---christan on 5/17/13


"NOW FAITH IS..." Hebrews 11...
---Leon on 5/17/13


Are you asking if everything is in the bible?

Joh_21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

2Co_12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Rev_10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

Does this also help?
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/17/13


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