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Hebrew Language Of Numbers

We are studying the numbers in the Bible and it's meaning in our Adult education class. It is fascinating!

Can anyone share any knowledge about the Hebrew's language of numbers?

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---kathr4453 on 5/31/13
In times past, God dealt with Israel as a nation. Took them out of Egypt as a nation, had a covenant with them as a nation Exodus 19:8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.

Disciplined them as a nation. If Israel as a nation had accepted Jesus, then Israel as a nation would be saved**

But in the new covenant, no one is saved or punished as a nation, but individuals accept Jesus, and a disciplines as individuals

Compare Achan, and Ananias
All of Israel suffered for Achans sin
Only Ananias suffered for his sin
---francis on 6/1/13


Kathr: I think that you and Francis are both right. Let me explain. God is indeed the God of all mankind, and His intent is that all come to know and love Him. Originally, He gave to Adam instruction to be disseminated to all his progeny. Two thousand years later He entrusted His oracles to Abraham (the Jewish dispensation). They were likewise to evangelize the world, but became self-absorbed. In another 2000 years, the oracles of God were transferred to the Christian Church (Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people), and Christ commanded that we evangelize the world. But, we have become Laodicean. That was 2000 years ago. It's time to go home!


---Jerry on 6/1/13


Francis, Peter went to Cornelius, as God was showing Peter even Gentiles were given the SPIRIT just as They were. How many Jews were added to the Church on the day of Pentecost? But we know, Peter was an-apostle to the JEWS. And Paul went to the Gentiles. So Jews were not cut off from Salvation, nor to this day ever have been.

If Jews were cut off, then God would have chosen a Gentile to be an apostle and not Paul.

You may want to re-read Galatians too. There are not two gospels being preached today...one to Jews and one to Gentiles. The TWO, that is Jew and Gentile are together that one New Man in Christ. The wall has been broken down between the two, not erected higher than in the beginning. Ephesians makes that clear.
---kathr4453 on 5/31/13


Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people

Matthew 10:5, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not

Because the 70 weeks set aside for Israel was not yet op

Acts 7:59 they stoned Stephen, .. he fell asleep.

But once Stephen is stoned in 34 AD, the 70 weeks are up watch what happens:
Acts 8:5 Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them.

Then peter gets his vision of the sheet goes to a gentile

There are thus three outpouring of the holy spirit
1 120 in the upper room ALL JEWS
2: The new converts in Samara
3: The house of Cornelius ALL GENTILES

And PETER head of the church is there to witness them all
---francis on 5/31/13


---kathr4453 on 5/31/13
Daniel 9:25.. from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem ....
This starts the 70 weeks:
3. The decree of Artaxerxes to Ezra, 457 B.C. (Ezra 7.) This commands them to return with materials to rebuild Jerusalem

This would place the end of the 70 weeks at 34 AD

Jesus born at 4 BC, Baptized at age 30 AD 27, died Age 33 AD 31

69 weeks from the start date, Jesus is baptized, anointed and starts his ministry as Messiah. In the middle of the week he will be cut of
So halfway between 27 AD and 34 AD is about 31 AD actual death of Jesus.
3 1/2 years later: THE STONING OF STEPHEN the final rejection, and end of the 70 weeks
---francis on 5/31/13




Francis, Daniel has nothing to do with Paul being called to preach to the Gentiles.

Ok calculate the days, years etc again and tell me exactly what year some of the Branches were broken off so that the Gentiles could be grafted in, and let's see if it is EXACTLY to date as Daniel prophesied. Exactly what year was Paul saved, and exactly what day did Paul go to the Gentiles?

Those who have studied this thoroughly can prove through dates it is Jesus Crucifixion. The Kingdom to Israel was preached UNTIL Jesus was Crucified, being short that one week, yet to be fulfilled after the Gospel of Grace to the Church is preached, and Raptured, and THEN the 70th week will be fulfilled.
---kathr4453 on 5/31/13


Francis, now we know in Acts 1:6-11 Jesus was asked by the Apostles before He ascended to heaven...." Will you AT THIS TIME restore the KINGDOM TO ISRAEL? ". Jesus reply....ONLY the Father knows that day. We also see Matthew 24-25 correspond with Daniel, and Revelation as some time in the future, again seeing Zechariah 12-14, totally confirming it is in fact yet future.

This is why Jesus death and resurrection threw off the Apostles...because this Church Age of ONE NEW MAN out of both Jew and Gentile was never told in the OT. The CHURCH, bride Body of Christ is not a Kingdom teaching or promise to earthly Israel the NATION.
---kathr4453 on 5/31/13


---kathr4453 on 5/30/13
As a nation, they were cut off
Individual Jews cam be saved.

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,... and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate,

Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, .. how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Are the Jews in total control of The holy city today?

Romans 11:20 Well, because of unbelief they were broken off,.. For if God spared not the natural branches,

Before this, God dealt with Israel as a nation, today as individuals
---francis on 5/30/13


francis, the Jews were never and have never been cut off. I am a Jew, and I am saved. If Jews were cut off, no salvation would come to any Jews. Paul was one of 12 Apostles who went to the Gentiles. Paul had no authority to cut of any Jews from Salvation. Paul just removed himself from the Jew and went to the Gentiles. the other 11, Peter, James etc still preached salvation to the Jews. You can read that in the beginning of each of James and Peters epistles.
---kathr4453 on 5/30/13


Kathr, I believe your answer is correct. Markv

Did anyone ever think for a moment...?

There is a God!
---aka on 5/30/13




Ok lets put this daniel to rest for now

ANd give me number 70
What does 70 stand for?

Exodus 24:9 Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:

Isaiah 23:15 And it shall come to pass in that day, that Tyre shall be forgotten seventy years, according to the days of one king: after the end of seventy years shall Tyre sing as an harlot.


Jeremiah 25:11 And this whole land shall be a desolation, [and] an astonishment, and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years.
---francis on 5/30/13


Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

what do you supposed happened after the 70 weeks?
The Jews were cut off as a nation

Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off,

Acts 13:46 It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life,
---francis on 5/29/13


Kathr, I believe your answer is correct. (Daniel 9:27) is talking about Jesus death on the Cross. "He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week, and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease.."
He shall confirm the covenant,
"Jesus Christ said, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.." (Matt. 26:28)
After exactly three and a half years of His holy ministry, Jesus Christ died on the Cross. That is in the middle of the seven years. At the exact moment of His death, "the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom." (Matt. 27:51) and no more sacrifices.
The devil nevers confirms covenants.
---Mark_V. on 5/30/13


-kathr4453 on 5/29/13

good post.

that's why i was asking specifically where this comes from because i do not read that in Daniel.
---aka on 5/29/13


Where specifically does this come from?
---aka on 5/28/13


Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah BE CUT OFF, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary, and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
---francis on 5/29/13


Daniel 9: 24-27. Calculates to 490 years (the Messiah ) will be cut off, not the Jews.

Remember too, in Romans 11, Paul tells us concerning Israel, only SOME of the branches were broken off so the Gentiles could be grafted in. So nowhere are the Jews ever CUT OFF. Remember too, Paul says over and over, to the Jew first and then to the Gentile.

Look up the Hebrew word for cut off. I believe this is referring to Jesus crucifixion.
---kathr4453 on 5/29/13


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In the book of Daniel 490 years are set aside for the Jews, after which they would be cut off---francison 5/28/13

Where specifically does this come from?
---aka on 5/28/13


do you mean bc or ad? where does this come from?
---aka on 5/27/13
When peter asked how often shoud we forgive, jesus answer was 490 times

In the book of Daniel 490 years are set aside for the Jews, after which they would be cut off
---francis on 5/28/13


except, after 490 the Jews are cut off...I say 490 is the number of patience and waiting...forgive 490 times then cut em off as jesus did to the jews ---francis on 5/27/13

do you mean bc or ad? where does this come from?
---aka on 5/27/13


7 denotes perfection and 70 denotes aged perfection, so jesus it telling peter to forgive perfectly perfect not 490 times. --aka on 5/27/13

I never thought of it like that. Very interesting.
---Nikki on 5/27/13

except, after 490 the Jews are cut off

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression,

I say 490 is the number of patience and waiting

forgive 490 times then cut em off as jesus did to the jews
---francis on 5/27/13


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7 denotes perfection and 70 denotes aged perfection, so jesus it telling peter to forgive perfectly perfect not 490 times. --aka on 5/27/13

I never thought of it like that. Very interesting.
---Nikki on 5/27/13


Matthew 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven. ---francis on 5/26/13

in english, we see it as a multiplication equation. however, it is more off an addition equation 70 times AND seven = 77.

70 is big number in the OT. Num_11:16 And the LORD said unto Moses, Gather unto me seventy men of the elders of Israel..."

7 denotes perfection and 70 denotes aged perfection, so jesus it telling peter to forgive perfectly perfect not 490 times.
---aka on 5/27/13


CALLING 490 or and 49 ( 7 x 7 or and 7 x 70)

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression,

Leviticus 25:8 And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years, and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years.

Matthew 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

Matthew 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
---francis on 5/26/13


may I have a review on 9

after all 7 ate 9
Nope! on second thoughts, it was 6 7 ate

ten plagues on egypt---francis on 5/26/13

What is your IQ?

It took me a minute, but I finally got it.


Speaking on the 10 plagues of Egypt, I am glad to see you are getting the hang of the memory progress.

10: Fullness. The 10th plagues released Israel from bondage, so now Divine Perfection, Fullness of the First Born Jesus Christ released us from bondage.
---Nikki on 5/26/13


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9 Judgement. Summation of all human works:
Number of judgment
---Nikki on 5/25/13

may I have a review on 9

after all 7 ate 9
Nope! on second thoughts, it was 6 7 ate

ten plagues on egypt
Revelation 15:7 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.
---francis on 5/26/13


The Path is Christ:God's anointed - Word.

Elohyim - as creator and Savior has His order of arrangement.

Yes - we are to take heed that the path we are walking is In-Christ.

Thank-you brothers and sisters for sharing - for both:
in agreements
-and-
for the heeds...

God Salvation-
Y:right hand of God.
Sh:mediating, chewing, two-edgesword (His Word)
A:eye - window of knowledge

Enjoyed this post for sure,



Shalom
---char on 5/25/13


9 Judgement. Summation of all human works:
Number of judgment

10 Divine Perfection. Ordinal perfection, Fullness, 10 commandments. 10 "I AM" statements of Jesus.
Number of Ordinal perfection

12 Fullness and new beginning, Governmental perfection: 12 tribes, 12 apostles
---Nikki on 5/25/13


CALLING 490 or and 49 ( 7 x 7 or and 7 x 70)

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression,

Leviticus 25:8 And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years, and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years.

Matthew 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

Matthew 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
---francis on 5/25/13


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Not only is this a VERY PLEASANT discussion. Seeing Christ in everything is from God.

YES, it must all point to God. Steven, we are not discussing numerology. NOW, there may be some nuts out there who actually do some sort of Numerology with scripture. But Numerology is a whole different subject that calculates in a whole different way. Numerology is no different than astrology and us unscriptural. Again, this is NOT numerology.

When Rev says calculate the number of the beast, we need a foundation to do that. Many have used numerology to figure it out and all have been wrong. WHY, because their using numerology.

We are to GROW in the Grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ and growing IS done in love of Christ.
---kathr4453 on 5/25/13


Yes Char, I also got that list of meaning of the numbers from a Jewish mindset.

1 Unity, Father, Commencement, Sovereignty: "The Lord is one" Dt 6:4, "One Lord, one faith, one baptism Ephesian 4/5:
Number of Unity

2 Division, Differences, Distinctness, a witness, two natures, human and divine. Gender as two, day and night:
Number of division

3 Solid, Real, Substantial, Complete, Entire, Divine Perfection, Trinity consists in Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Quality of universe:time, space and matter.:
Number of Divine Perfection

4 Things that are made, Material things, Matter itself, Creation: north, south, east and west. 4 seasons:
Number of Creation
---Nikki on 5/25/13


5 Divine grace, God adding gifts and blessing to the works of creation, Redemption. Israel came out of Egypt in 5 ranks. Ex 13:18:
Number of grace

6 Doubt, Evil, Failure. Unfinished. Man against God. Creation of man on the 6th. Serpent appeared on the 6th:
Number of man

7 Spiritual perfection, Seven is the number which regulates periods of gestation 7 days in a week, 7 colors in spectrum. 7 eternals in Hebrews(1/6,1/9,6/2,9/12,9/14,9/15,13/20,7 sayings of Jesus from the cross:
Number of spiritual perfection

8 Re-generation:the 8th is a new "first", Salvation. 8 people on ark, 8th day circumcision, 8 covenants with Abraham:
Number of new beginnings
---Nikki on 5/25/13


//In all things they must point to God - the adversary will attempt to pervert Gods order of arrangement.//

*Five: express Divine Grace
*Seven: express spiritual perfection (Holy Spirits work)
*Ten: express Ordinal perfection

Pentecost = "the fiftieth day"
1) the second of the three great Jewish feasts, celebrated at Jerusalem yearly, the seventh week after the Passover, in grateful recognition of the completed harvest

Act 2:1When the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all together in one place.



Shalom
---char on 5/25/13


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Steveng, If you want to call me unspiritual, that is fine. There is a difference between debating and discussing. When jesus spoke in parables was he telling secrets? No, he was speaking in a way that was not readily understood by those not willing to hear. There are no secrets in the bible. There are no magical powers in words or numbers as those in numerology do use, but there is meaning in the way people speak. So many times we are wrong. But there are times we are right. So we discuss. It is interesting. I have come accross other people like you who focus on one thing like love. They speak to others in a way that is not very loving. They speak with attitude and they are resistant to learn from others. So, do 'predestinationalists'.
---aka on 5/25/13


God chose numbers to fit the situation not to have any significant spiritual meaning as a mystic does. Numbers in the Bible do not have deeper spiritual significance. It has boggled the minds of worldly people for thousands of years. There are no hidden meaning of numbers in the Bible. Debating about biblical numerology takes away from the true meaning of the way of a christian life - love. Only unspiritual people debate about the meaning of numbers in the bible. How does knowing the meaning of numbers prepare you for the coming Kingdom of God?
---Steveng on 5/24/13


Francis, you are having too much fun.
---Nikki on 5/24/13
No matter what they say, I've done
But I ain't never had too much fun


Now I'm fixin' the sink and I'm mowin' the grass
You made me a list and I'm bustin' my...wheel
All broke down, tail's been (or talespin? ? ) draggin'
It's a tough ol' life up here on the wagon
Now I'm feedin' the dog, sackin' the trash
It's honey do this, honey do that
I sobered up, and I got to thinkin'
Girl you ain't much fun since I quit drinkin'
Yeah, I sobered up, and I got to thinkin'
Girl you ain't much fun since I quit drinkin'
---francis on 5/24/13


Francis, you are having too much fun.

You also have to count the people in the verses to get the complete picture.

Mark 5:37-42
Jairus' Daughter, her parents.
Peter, John, and James. Jesus makes 7.

Now I would continue to explain the meaning of this, but I forgot what the Priest said.
Well, you wouldn't believe it anyway.

Mediate on it.
Please not while you are watching ESPN.
---Nikki on 5/24/13


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CALLING 490 or and 49 ( 7 x 7 or and 7 x 70)

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression,

Leviticus 25:8 And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years, and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years.

Matthew 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

Matthew 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
---francis on 5/24/13


this is the best blog to date//---francis
WITHOUT A DOUBT

//Aleph- 1000 or one, meaning - unity// char

999 brings us back perfectly 3 nines to aleph 1 or 1000.

30 three 10s - 10 perfection 3 times - jesus was ready for perfectly ready for his ministry. 3 years in ministry - good news.
---aka on 5/23/13


//LOOKING for 9 ...

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is,
1)love, 2)joy, 3)peace, 4)patience, 5)kindness, 6)goodness, 7)faithfulness,
Gal 5:23 8)gentleness, 9)self-control,...

ironically...against such things there is NO law.

Nine is the number that brings us to full circle.

99 sheep, 1 lost.
9 lepers, one leper leaping.

if tithe is 10%, what is the difference?

Acts 3:1 Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour.

Acts 10:30 And Cornelius said, Four days ago I was fasting until this hour, and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing,
---aka on 5/23/13


LOOKING for 9

now paging NINE to the batting area

Anyone seen NINE?

meanwhile lets revisit 30:
Zechariah 11:12 And I said unto them, If ye think good, give [me] my price, and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty [pieces] of silver.

Matthew 27:3 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,
---francis on 5/23/13


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Kathr, Nikki and all else here,
I commend the unity witnessed on this blog -Blessings to you...

With/In all things - they/it must point to God. The adversary will attempt to pervert Gods order of arrangement.

Use wisdom, do not take my understanding without prayer and seeking the Holy Spirit (God in counsel).

12 denotes Governmental perfection whether in the heavens/earth, or tribe/Apostles, or measurements of time.

11 denotes disorder, disorganization - it is one short of 12

The ancients may have known - The harmonious with the mathematics of the cosmos (heavens).
Ps19 "The heaven declare His Glory" ,Job 38:7

Ex31:18, Deut 9:10
Every Hebrew letter denotes a number
Continued'
---char on 5/23/13


1Cor2-Seek God in counsel...

Ancient Hebrew:Communication of words written used symbolic hieroglyphs - Words/numbers simultaneous is without coincidence. Elohyim Exist- God of order - (His designed Word written - Complete). Elohyim(Exist) creator and created all things in order - for His purpose -Salvation. Ex 31: 18, Deut 9:10,Is 43

Word meanings and the value of number associated - communicated the expression. The prototypical ancient Hebrew letters have specific meanings-consecutive character forms of the same pattern-sharing the same meaning.
Aleph- 1000 or one, meaning - unity
Bet- two, difference -(two agreeing/testifying) being-conclusive
Gimmel-three, completeness-Elohyim- Spirit/Word-Resurrection
---char on 5/23/13


CALLING FOR NUMBER 11

will number 11 please stand up and be identified

Exodus 36:14 And he made curtains [of] goats' [hair] for the tent over the tabernacle: eleven curtains he made them.

Numbers 29:20 And on the third day eleven bullocks, two rams, fourteen lambs of the first year without blemish,

Matthew 20:6 And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle?
---francis on 5/23/13


Thank you Nikki, I'll look too.

Francis, yes 30

The age Joseph began his leadership, Jesus began his ministry at 30. I believe David was also 30. Depending on when you believe what year Jesus was born, many believe it was 30AD when Jesus died and rose again. All those in the OT Priesthood began their priesthood at 30...

Lets also be clear, that studying TYPES and shadows through numbers and things like GOLD, or colors in no way gives us any thing in those to calculate the return of Jesus. Types and shadows pointed to Jesus Christ, and shows is in the OT many things hidden, are now revealed.

Like the DAY Noah's ark RESTED on Mt Arafat, is the EXACT DAY Jesus rose from the dead nearly 4000 years later.
---kathr4453 on 5/23/13


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Here's an interesting one re: colors, etc. The Lord showed me this many years ago, and to date, is still awesome to me.
Look in Leviticus as to exactly want the High priest wore. You'll have to look that up yourself. Note every detail.

Now look in Revelation re: exactly what the Harlot, Mystery Babylon is wearing? NOW see if you can find what is missing. HINT..it's a color.

The color BLUE is missing. The Color BLUE means HEAVENLY. Many bibles have with their concordance a section that also gives these answers. Gold means deity, for instance.

The mystery woman represents an earthly apostate Christianity . A bogus priesthood. A bogus type of Christianity that has joined with the political powers of this world.
---kathr4453 on 5/23/13


this is the best blog to date
aka, i liked what you have to say
kathr good post
NIKI NIKKI NIKKI what can I say keep it up

so what about 11?
---francis on 5/23/13


there is significance in the witness of numbers.

5 loaves, 5 smooth stones, 5 fold ministry, 5 foolish and 5 wise virgins = 10 virgins. 10 northern tribes.

2 loaves, ten loaves ... 2 southern tribes...10 northern

666 in the nt gives witness for 666 in the ot.

if someone makes fun...so what? say what you have to say. you don't need to strike back.

ask, seek, knock.
---aka on 5/22/13


40 represents trials and testing.
---kathr4453 on 5/22/13

Loving this blog
keep going

Jesus was 30 years old when he started public ministry: Meaning of 30?
---francis on 5/22/13


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Nikki, get a book called Seeing Christ in the Tabernacle, and you will be totally enriched as to what GOD means by these numbers, types, shadows, etc. every DETAIL, including the measurements have a deeper meaning.

It's truly awesome, where ANY denomination regardless can be so blessed by this deeper study...Learn how to discuss constructively.---kathr4453 on 5/22/13


Kathr, I am touch that you would suggest a book to me. I love book with numbers. My Dad love it as well. I am going to try to see if it written in Spanish for my Dad. He loves anything with numbers. Plus it him get to read the Bible more.

Thanks
---Nikki on 5/23/13


Francis, that's why you first have the number, then look at all the verses that use that same number,

Ok, 5...here are some. Joseph gave Benjamin 5 extra portions of food, also gave him 5 extra changes of cloths(. I'm going from memory here , I' ll find the verses later if you don't know where they are.

The five loaves of bread feeding a multitude.

Francis, i also said it's not numerology , and that is what YOU are trying to do with it. This is not numerology.

Francis, bread doesn't mean grace...but the GIFT attached to all these examples where there is abundance is that grace.
---kathr4453 on 5/23/13


Now lets take 666. We are actually told to calculate the number. To those who have WISDOM. What wisdom? Worldly wisdom? NO the WISDOM that is in Christ Jesus...ONLY. So playing the numerology game here won't work.

God never asks us to indulge in numerology. ALL those answers arrived at by using numerology are WRONG. Using the WISDOM in Christ do the exact same thing with the number 6. Look at every verse using 6 or 66 in any way. Or in the wording of Revelation. This is how you will be "revealed" the truth. Notice I said "be revealed"....why? well, James clearly tells us those who need WISDOM, ASK GOD. Only God reveals truth to us.
---kathr4453 on 5/23/13


Francis, the number 40 is mentioned over 140 times in scripture. The Flood rains Noah,. 40 days and nights.

Moses went up on a mountain to Get the law...40 days. Moses pleads with God again after the golden calf..40 days. Jesus tempted in the wilderness..40 days....Jesus on earth with disciples after His resurrection,...40 days. How many years was Israel in the wilderness before entering the promise land?

It's no coincidence all these say 40 years. There are many more, but these are ones that will sink in. 40 represents trials and testing. If certain numbers mean nothing, isn't it strange all represent trials, testing? So you see the numbers are always consistent with MANY instances to back up a truth.
---kathr4453 on 5/22/13


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Yes when Jesus took 5 loaves to feed everyone, THAT WAS GRACE.
---kathr4453 on 5/22/13

Matthew 15:36 And he took the seven loaves
1 Samuel 10:4 and give thee two loaves of bread,
1 Samuel 17:17 Take now for thy brethren an ephah of this parched corn, and these ten loaves
1 Samuel 25:18 Then Abigail made haste, and took two hundred loaves

There is a lot of leaven in those loaves numerology, how does one loaf rise above another?
---francis on 5/22/13


Yes when Jesus took 5 loaves to feed everyone, THAT WAS GRACE.
---kathr4453 on 5/22/13


You made a list, yet you didn't complete. 5 means Grace, 8 new beginnings, 7 rest, complete perfect, heavenly. 6 man means earthly. Adam and Eve were earthly. Those in Christ a 7, heavenly.
---kathr4453 on 5/22/13

You are funny
i can't complete it, because I have no scripture to support it

5 means bread,
Matthew 14:19 and took the five loaves
---francis on 5/22/13


Scripture teaches scripture so saying 9 means to eat your Cheerios has nothing to back it up.

Jesus rose on the third day, that is after his death. But we know He rose the day AFTER the sabbath , that we all know is the 7th day. Jesus didn't rise on Tuesday , which is the third day of the week...we all know that. So you are mixing apples with oranges.

You made a list, yet you didn't complete. 5 means Grace, 8 new beginnings, 7 rest, complete perfect, heavenly. 6 man means earthly. Adam and Eve were earthly. Those in Christ a 7, heavenly. Those who have entered His rest are Perfect IN CHRIST, Complete IN HIM, Heavenly New Creatures. We shall bear the image of the Heavenly.

666is all of man /earthly WITHOUT CHRIST.
---kathr4453 on 5/22/13


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kathr4453 on 5/22/13

8 is number fo new begining
7 days in a week
Jesus rose on the 3rd day

But like I said, I am just glad there are no scriptures for these numbers

so I can say 9 is thenumber of beds and giants

Deuteronomy 3:11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants, behold, his bedstead [was] a bedstead of iron, [is] it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits [was] the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.
---francis on 5/22/13


Francis, actually 8 is the number of new beginnings. Circumcision on the 8th day, 8 souls were saved..Noah...

Jesus rose from the dead on the 8th day....the 8th day is the First day after the 7th. Not the 8th day of a month.

We do see that NEW BEGINNING at Jesus resurrection.

6 is man.
Those in Christ are a 7, a NEW CREATURE. The 6 died with Christ, and are raised up a perfect 7 in Christ, living now in a NEW BEGINNING...8. Colossians 2...what circumcision TODAY MEANS. Cutting away the flesh...the flesh is 6..man. Our flesh is crucified with Christ...Galatians 5.

Nothing matters except the NEW CREATURE as Paul tells us in Galatians.

Nothing mystical about that to those saved.
---kathr4453 on 5/22/13


I am so glad that there are no scriptures to back up this numbers thing ( except 666 the number of a man) Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man, and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six.

so i can say that 8 is the number for fisherman if i wanted to
---francis on 5/22/13


There is no such thing as the HEBREWS language of numbers.

Hebrews did not make up the ability to COUNT..1-2-3. God did. On the FIRST DAY God said let ther be Light. God sanctified the 7th day. God speaks to us in numbers as well as other types..GOLD, SILVER, etc.

Nikki, get a book called Seeing Christ in the Tabernacle, and you will be totally enriched as to what GOD means by these numbers, types, shadows, etc. every DETAIL, including the measurements have a deeper meaning.

It's truly awesome, where ANY denomination regardless can be so blessed by this deeper study.

Nikki, Please don't reply back if you have a smart aleck answer to me.

Learn how to discuss constructively.
---kathr4453 on 5/22/13


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Steven, lets be clear that studying numbers in scripture IS NOT numerology in any way shape or form.

It also is not mysticism in any way shape or form.

There is nothing MYSTICAL about the 7th day of REST, that is also preached and referred to in Hebrews 3-4. You're accusing the author of Hebrews of numerology and mysticism. GOD AUTHORED HEBREWS.

In Revelation, 7 is spoken many many times, and 7 , if UNDERSTOOD as God wants you to understand it's deeper meaning, has many things to say to us.
---kathr4453 on 5/22/13


//Hebrew didn't have a way of saying good, better or best, but triple it's meaning by saying it 3 times.// nikki

i dont know where you get this.

//Notice how 6 is man, is triple as worst than man.//

3 is a number of strength and perfection and witness. 666 (6 3 times) is the number (and mark) of the perfect man. he is not worse, but he is man perfected.

but, the absolute perfecr man will be worse than has ever been. the world will fall in love with him despite their own destruction.
---aka on 5/21/13


---Steveng on 5/21/13

---Nikki on 5/21/13

keep going
---francis on 5/21/13


Knowing the number's meaning in the bible is part of the Jewish Kabbalah mysticism. Stay as far from numerology as you can for it is a trap of Satan to get you involved in in this mysticism which leads to other mysticisms.

Besides, the meaning of numbers are completely different from one culture to the next. The number 13 is bad luck in America and Eurpean nations, but in china it is good luck.

No matter what number God chose in the bible, man will always try to put a meaning into it and that's not the purpose of living a christian life.
---Steveng on 5/21/13


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Francis, 666 does stand for the mark of the beast. Rev 13:17-18 ..one who had the stamped image of the beast's name or the number that stood for it's name. Wisdom is needed here, one who understands can calculate the number of the beast, for it is a number that stands for a person. His number is six hundred and sixty-six.

Notice how 6 is man, is triple as worst than man.
Hebrew didn't have a way of saying good, better or best, but triple it's meaning by saying it 3 times.

7 means perfection due to God rested on the 7th day Genesis 2:2 Genesis 2:3 God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work he had done in creation.

I am not speaking about superstitions usage of numbers.
---Nikki on 5/21/13


OK On with the numbering
1= God
2=
3= trinity
4= earth
5=
6=man
7= perfetion
8=
9=
10=
11=
12= government
13=
14=
15=
16=
17=
666= number of a man ( not mark of beast)

copy paste fill in the blanks

How high can we go?
---francis on 5/21/13


We go thru life daily, adding, subtracting, multiplying & dividing. Think about it! :)
---Leon on 5/21/13


The Jewish people have a way or system to remember their doctrines.

I don't see any harm in their system as well.
Jesus taught us with Jonas being in the whale for 3 days.
---Nikki on 5/20/13
which jewish people, the same ones who rejected and killed Jesus?

you do not see any harm in that system?

It is one thing to say that Jonas was 3 days in the fish, because you can find it n the bible, quite another thing to say that 7 means perfection
---francis on 5/21/13


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as long as we do not make a doctrine out of it, and as long as we do not say it is from the word of God

Titus 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. ---francis on 5/20/13

Francis, God teaches us by numbers and symbols of numbers. It can't be doctrine, unless it is doctrine. Then it is called false doctrine.
The Jewish people have a way or system to remember their doctrines.

I don't see any harm in their system as well.
Jesus taught us with Jonas being in the whale for 3 days.

---Nikki on 5/20/13


but my understanding it that the Jewish people remembered scripture by the usage of numbers.
---Nikki on 5/20/13

If people want to do numbers fine.
1= God
2=
3= trinity
4= earth
5=
6=man
7= perfetion
8=
9-
10=
11=
12= government

as long as we do not make a doctrine outof it, and as long qs we do not say it is from the word of God

Titus 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
---francis on 5/20/13


True Nikki: God-given common sense should show us everything that we do in life (past, present & future) is by the numbers. Think about it! :)
---Leon on 5/20/13


the numbers thing is supposition, man made, and not nessesarily scripture ---francis on 5/18/13

TRUE, but my understanding it that the Jewish people remembered scripture by the usage of numbers.

Passing down the accounts of history (kept accurate due to numbers).
---Nikki on 5/20/13


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FYI: In the Book of Numbers the task before the Israelites is to take possession of the Promised Land. The people are numbered & preparations are made for resuming their march.

Numbers is the culmination of the story of Israel's exodus from oppression in Egypt & their journey to take possession of the land God promised their fore-fathers. As such it draws to a conclusion the themes introduced in Genesis & played out in Exodus & Leviticus: God has promised the Israelites that they'll become a great (NUMEROUS) nation, that they'll have a special relationship with Him, & by the power of their ONE & ONLY True & living God they'll take possession of the land of Canaan.
---Leon on 5/19/13


Hebrew Language Of Numbers
We are studying the numbers in the Bible and it's meaning in our Adult education class. It is fascinating!

Can anyone share any knowledge about the Hebrew's language of numbers?
---Nikki on 5/17/13

Beside this: Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man, and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six.

I know of no other number which the bible / God/ assigns meaning to

the numbers thing is supposition, man made, and not nessesarily scripture
---francis on 5/18/13


It's incredible how God has "His children" coloring by the numbers so we can, upon completion, see the big picture in its absolute beauty, splendor & magnificence reflective of His grace, mercy & glory.

Yes, like the Lord also has us contextually connecting the Scriptural dots (line-upon-line, precept-upon-precept), He likewise has us coloring by the numbers He has designated for our application (use) to enhance our understanding. Indeed, fascinating! :)
---Leon on 5/17/13


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