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Is God Punishing Oklahoma

Just last week, Moore, OK suffered its FOURTH major tornado since 1997.

Is God punishing that city? After all, many people here asked that question about New Orleans after Katrina.

Talk amongst yourselves.

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francis, read john 10:30. it is very plain that Jesus is God in the flesh.
---shira4368 on 6/2/13


--christan on 6/1/13
Deny that Jesus is not God? Rewrite that to make sense

---StrongAxe on 6/1/13
John 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father,

1 Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto, whom no man hath seen, nor can see:

it was the Son who is also God.

---Jasheradan on 6/2/13
Good question, but the bible says it, so it is a fact. Replace God with Jesus and you will get your answer.

Zechariah 3:2 And JESUS said unto Satan, The FATHER rebuke thee, O Satan,

Jude 1:9 Yet JESUS,... durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The FATHER rebuke thee.

the son does the will of the father
---francis on 6/2/13


"How do you "know this is Jesus"? His name is mentioned nowhere in the Old Testament. Any such inferences are just that. Inferences." StrongAxe

Do you even realise that the Holy Bible is also preferably known as the Word of God to many? And for a good reasons too. The apostle John declared,

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men."

The OT concealed the NT and the NT revealed the concealment... The Lord Jesus Christ.
---christan on 6/2/13


francis, it's one thing to deny that Jesus Christ is not God. Even unbelievers doesn't pull references from the Holy Bible to deny His Holiness. You have taken denial to a very different wicked and evil level. But I'm sure God has a purposed for you, just as He has for each and everyone He has brought forth. And should your life be taken by Him in this very state you're in, woe be to you.

To use the Holy Bible and it's Scriptures, which talks nothing but about Jesus Christ being God and coming in the flesh to redeem His people whom the Father has given to Him from eternity. It's a plan and nothing or no one can stay His hands in His Holy plan, scream and shout all you want.
---christan on 6/1/13


francis:

You said: Genesis 18:3 And said, My Lord,

Although we know this is Jesus, it still does not say "Jesus is God."


How do you "know this is Jesus"? His name is mentioned nowhere in the Old Testament. Any such inferences are just that. Inferences.
---StrongAxe on 6/1/13




Ok Francis, lets look at what you're saying this way.

If A=B and B=C then A=C.

If Michael is Jesus (A=B)
and Jesus is God (B=C)
then Michael MUST also be God (A=C)

Why would God dare not to bring accusation against the devil?
---Jasheradan on 6/2/13


But Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil, ... said, "The Lord himself rebuke you."
Does this not show a distinction between Christ and Michael?
---Simone on 6/1/13
NO! in fact it confirms that they are one and the same:


Zechariah 3:1 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.

Zechariah 3:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee,


Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
---francis on 6/1/13


Jude verse 9 says: "But Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil, diputing about the body of Moses, did not presume to pronounce a reviling judgment against him, but said, "The Lord himself rebuke you."
Does this not show a distinction between Christ and Michael?
---Simone on 6/1/13


---Jasheradan on 6/1/13
GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH
does not say "Jesus is God"

Let me show you in the bible a manifestation of God in the flesh:
Genesis 18:2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw [them], he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

Genesis 18:3 And said, My Lord,

Although we know this is Jesus, it still does not say "Jesus is God."

Do you understand that I am not saying that Jesus is not God, i am saying that the phrase " Jesus is God" is not in the bible?

If you do not understand that, we are done
---francis on 6/1/13


Theres really no point in asking for scripture if when you receive them, you ignore what they say.

Either Gods word is tainted by man and gives false information or GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH.

If you study a little Hebrew you'll see that the name God gave to Moses YHWH has a symbolic meaning in paleo Hebrew. Behold Hand Behold Nail. God is flat out telling us that he is the hand pierced by the nail. He is Christ! He is the Savior!

If you deny the Son, you deny the Father.
---Jasheradan on 6/1/13




John 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.John 1:18

While no one has seen the father at any time, many have seen God The Son:
Genesis 32:30 Jacob: I have seen God face to face,
Judges 13:22 Manoah: we have seen God.
Abraham saw God, Moses saw, God,Joshua saw God.
Who they saw was Jesus as the Messenger of God. It is Jesus who appears as The Angel of God, and it is Jesus whose voice is active as God in the bible

Genesis 31:11 the angel of God spake saying..I am the God of Bethel,

This does not take away the divinity of Jesus, but helps us understand the working of the trinity
---francis on 6/1/13


What I want you to see, is that no scripture says that " Jesus is God --- Francis

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory -- 1 Tim 3:16
---Jasheradan on 6/1/13


---christan on 5/31/13

Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God

Genesis 5:1 God created man, in the likeness of God made he him

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him,

2 Cor 4:4 ... Christ, who is the image of God,

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God,

So as you can see, both Jesus, and created man are in the image of God, That does not make man God.

What I want you to see, is that no scripture says that " Jesus is God" We have to look at the role of God, especially as creator, and look at Jesus as creator and conclude rightly that Jesus is God. Can we at least agree on that!
---francis on 5/31/13


---christan on 5/31/13
Yes Jesus is God

---Jasheradan on 5/31/13
Look up the meaning of the word "One" in your Strong's if you do not mind. You will find it means " first"

Daniel 10:13 Michael, THE FIRST OF THE princes,

Daniel 8:25 the Prince of princes,
Daniel 12:1 Michael the great prince
Isaiah 9:6 The Prince of Peace
Daniel 8:11 prince of the host
Acts 3:15 Prince of life,
Acts 5:31 a Prince and a Saviour

Look it up in Matthew Henry commentary, Matthew Henry existed long long before there was a SDA and he speaks of Michael as Jesus

You need to catch up
---francis on 5/31/13


"I asked you to show me where the bible says that Jesus is God, You of course could not because the bible never says that Jesus is God, but you correctly posted this" francis

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1, "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God" Philippians 2:5,6

"It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." John 6:63

You're spiritually alive? Even your carnal mind cannot understand the English language.
---christan on 5/31/13


francis, you want to ask me "point-blank" questions? Sure, but first you haven't answer my "point-blank" question that I have asked you many moons ago.

Is Jesus Christ God?
---christan on 5/31/13


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Michael is said to be ONE of the chief princes in scripture (Daniel 10:13). Not THE chief prince. One of them. There is but ONE God but many angels.

The bible warns against the worship of angels (Col 2:18) and lets us know that Jesus is superior to the angels and they worship Him! (Heb 1:6-8)

There is a clear distinction between Michael and the LORD (Jude 1:9)

SDAism is only a stones throw away from Mormonism.
---Jasheradan on 5/31/13


MARK_V, I asked you to show me where the bible says that Jesus is God, You of course could not because the bible never says that Jesus is God, but you correctly posted this:

Col. 1:16,17). Only God is Creator, doesn't that tell you Jesus Christ is God? Mark_V. on 5/29/13
____
So what you did was use two scriptures that shows the roles of God, in one God is creator, in the other Jesus is creator, thus you correctly concluded that Jesus is God

I have posted before you several scriptures that show that Michael and Jesus do the exact same things, hold the exact same offices, and you are yet to put together that Michael is Jesus because they do the same things, and fulfill each others prophecies

same role same person
---francis on 5/31/13


\\ if we are covered by the blood, we are saved.
---shira4368 on 5/31/13\\

What do you mean by "covered by the blood," shira?

I know this is a common Evangelica buzz phrase, but it occurs nowhere in the Bible, like most things Evangelicals say.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/31/13


---christan on 5/30/13

I must ask these point blank:

Do you believe that the books of the bible are placed in the order in which they were written?

Do you believe that the epistles of Paul was arranged in the order in which they were written or based on the length of each epistle?
---francis on 5/31/13


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"All these above say do not add to God's word. yet we have several books after Deuteronomy" francis

You call this meat? Poison meat is what I see. You forget that the prophesy of Christ coming to do the Father's will still had to be fulfilled as prophesied by the OT prophets. That's why we have the precise account of God's work until the time His Son Jesus Christ came in the flesh to do His will.

Now here's meat for you, Jesus came and fulfilled all that was prophesied about Him and the final prophesy He left us is His final coming, aka Judgement Day. There's no more prophesy about any other prophets or another saviour that's to come.

You keep dreaming...
---christan on 5/31/13


H. francis, please don't choke when I tell you that when God said not to add or take away from His Word in the Old Testament, it did not mean He didn't have more revelation to be given later in history. What He didn't want was, for anyone to add to what He had just stated to them, and, to not take away from what He had already stated. The last book of the Bible was Revelation. It was written in the last decade of the first century (A.D. 94-96) but after the gospel of John (A.D. 80-90) and 1-3 John.
Please do not choke francis. And how about showing where we are told that Michael is our Lord and Savior? Where are we told that Michael is Creator of all things? If he is the same as Jesus, you should have no trouble posting the passages.
---Mark_V. on 5/31/13


cluny, the blood on the doorpost in the old testament is salvation. if we are covered by the blood, we are saved.
---shira4368 on 5/31/13


Mark we have a free-will to do or not to do!
---Ruben on 5/30/13

Mark and Ruben,
This is one of the great mysteries of God that man in is fallen, free willing, choosing, temporary, state will accomplish God's perfect, unchanging, eternal, glorious plan. I which I had the language to explain it but God being eternal takes our actions "for good to those that love him."
---Scott1 on 5/31/13


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-christan on 5/30/13

Let me place some meat before you, maybe try to wean you of the milk. Go slow, try not to choke on it

Deuteronomy 4:2
Deuteronomy 12:32
Proverbs 30:6.
Revelation 22:18-19.

All these above say do not add to God's word. yet we have several books after Deuteronomy

AGABUS a prophet who came up AFTER the death of Jesus. Showing that Jesus was not the last prophet

The book of Revelation: Revelation 22:18-19 being written BEFORE the book of John

Please don't choke
---francis on 5/30/13


"This cannot apply to the Bible as a whole, because St. John wrote his Gospel AFTER Revelation, and there were still Epistles to come." Cluny

Ya right.

Ever wondered why Revelation is the last book in the Holy Bible? Why the epistles came before it and the Gospels before the epistles? Ever wondered how the Bible flows so seamlessly from chapter to chapter?

Your understanding that it pertains to only Revelation is so erroneous. The apostle John is reminding the Christians of what God reminded the Jews in Deuteronomy 4:2 "Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you."
---christan on 5/30/13


**"...If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life..." Revelation 22:18,19**

This cannot apply to the Bible as a whole, because St. John wrote his Gospel AFTER Revelation, and there were still Epistles to come.

You don't actually think the books of the NT were written in the order most English Bibles have them, do you, christan.

I say English Bibles, because other languages, such as Russian, have them in a different order.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/30/13


"Why do you think that the " word of God" is limited only to what is written down in the bible..." francis

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" 2 Timothy 3:16

"...If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life..." Revelation 22:18,19


"...and that God cannot or will not speak to his people beyond what is in the bible?"

Hebrews 1:1,2
---christan on 5/30/13


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Ruben, you say,
"..perhaps the firstborn were going to be just like thier fathers were-against God." The Israelites were sinners just like the other people, "Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins" (Eccl. 7:20).
and say,
" the Israelites were told to put blood on the doors. All others died.
They had a choice to make!"
The Israelites had a choice, the other people were not given a choice.
Then say,
"..Are you saying he command a father to shoot all of his family? No Mark we have a free-will to do or not to do!" God allows people to continue in sin. He could stop sin, but doesn't. You haven't stopped sinning have you?
---Mark_V. on 5/30/13


Yes Francis, everyone who has the Spirit of Christ receives gifts. Some receive prophecy. That does not place them on a higher pedestal than those with other gifts.
---Jasheradan on 5/30/13

What is your context since i said no such thing as one gift being above another, or one person above another?

You would be better served to make such a comment without referencing my name since I said no such thing
---francis on 5/30/13


are all city's in tornado alley suffering the wrath of God, or are they just unfortunately on this earth in a bad spot climate wise. If I build a city next to an active volcano, and it erupts, is it God's wrath on those who built next to an active volcano.

NOW if a volcano just happened to APPEAR out of obscurity never in that area before even hidden underground, and erupted then YES, that would have to say it was.



---kathr4453 on 5/30/13


Absolutely, whenever children are killed for no good reason the hand or foot of god is there. He's just trying to prevent bad people from growing up and doing bad things. Its surprised that he doesn't just do the flood thing again. At least this time it would be videotaped.
---atheist on 5/30/13


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From the cradle, we learn the law of cause and affect. When things happen, we always assume there is a reason, and try to invent one when none is apparent. Jesus dispelled this kind of assumption when he told his disciples that the man born blind wasn't blind because of his or his parents' sin, and the people killed when the Tower of Siloam fell didn't die because of their sin. Not every disaster is God's judgment (and if Katrina was, God had extraordinarily bad aim!)
---StrongAxe on 5/30/13


---christan on 5/30/13

Why do you think that the " word of God" is limited only to what is written down in the bible, and that God cannot or will not speak to his people beyond what is in the bible?
---francis on 5/30/13


Mark_V.* God commanded the destruction of man, women and children of all the other nations. He commended the angel to kill all the firstborns.

Since God knows all perhaps the firstborn were going to be just like thier fathers were-against God.

Mark V* the Israelites were told to put blood on the doors. All others died.

They had a choice to make!

Mark_V.* Do you really think that there is things happening without God commanded to happen?

One of the Commandments is 'Thou shall not kill' but yet turn on the TV and that is all you hear, Are you saying he command a father to shoot all of his family? No Mark we have a free-will to do or not to do!




---Ruben on 5/30/13


Yes Francis, everyone who has the Spirit of Christ receives gifts. Some receive prophecy. That does not place them on a higher pedestal than those with other gifts. 1 Cor makes it clear to us that we arent to let our gifts go to our head. In no way does a prophet of God replace God himself or his Spirit who lives within all of us.

If that prophet (EGW) is teaching against scripture (ie. giving a date to Christs return) then they aren't of God. Its very simple. Once they expose themselves as a false prophet we no longer have to listen to them. Why follow this woman's teachings after she has been proven a deceiver by scripture?
---Jasheradan on 5/30/13


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Hebrews 1:1,2 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, ---christan on 5/30/13

how could you read this and say that Jesus is the last prophet, and then I point you to Agabus who was AFTER Jesus.
Not one word in here said jesus was the last prophet

It says last days not last prophet

Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

this gaurantees us more prophets to come after Jesus
---francis on 5/30/13


Hebrews 1 does NOT say that Jesus is the last prophet.

Otherwise, how would Agabus or the daughters of St. Philip be prophets, as the book of Acts says they were?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/30/13


francis, your problem is you're in unbelief of the Holy Bible and here's why, Hebrews 1:1,2 explicitly tells us that Christ was the last prophet God sent to mankind, period - non-negotiable:

"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds."

Question for you is, are you guided by the Word of God or you simply don't believe that Christ was the last prophet as written. Obviously the latter is your stance, so there's nothing left to be discussed.
---christan on 5/30/13


Nurseroberts, you and Ruben should learn about the God of the Bible. I am not God. I cannot tell you why God allows children to die, it happens every second of the day all over the world. I do not control the lives of every single person in the world as God does.
For the purpose of protecting Israel, God commanded the destruction of man, women and children of all the other nations. He commended the angel to kill all the firstborns. Only the Israelites were told to put blood on the doors. All others died. Do you really think that there is things happening without God commanded to happen? If there was one molecule working behind God back, that molecule would have more power then God.
---Mark_V. on 5/30/13


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Nurseroberts 2: I'm only able to give a few cases concerning God because of the space allowed. Can you imagine a God who has formed a plan, set it in motion, and some sinful person, having the power to change what God ordained to happen? God would have to be changing His plan every second, every time man changed his mind or every time nature caused a disaster. Would He say, oh, I was going to save this persons but the tornado killed them." God would be learning every time man did something. That is not the God of Scripture. He is Omniscient, knowing all things. He is omnipresent, He is Omnipotent, which means God holds all power over His creation. No part of creation stands outside the scope of His sovereign control. Not even tornado's
---Mark_V. on 5/30/13


"Did God kill just the wicked or both wicked and the righteous? If he did then he broke his own commandment "Thou shalt not murder"!" Ruben

"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one." Romans 3:10

"And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and He doeth according to His will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay His hand, or say unto Him, What doest thou?" Daniel 4:35

"Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?" Romans 9:20
---christan on 5/29/13


When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him -- Deut 18:22

EGW was a false prophetess according to scripture.
---Jasheradan on 5/29/13


Mark V, The humor is not about the storm or it's victims....get a life!
---1st_cliff on 5/29/13


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---christan on 5/28/13
was he before or After Agabus?

Acts 11:28 And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified by the Spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world: which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar.


If he was the last prophet why did he give other prophets after he assended


Ephesians 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles, and some, prophets, and some, evangelists, and some, pastors and teachers,

Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
---francis on 5/29/13


Can you explain why God allowed that to happen? NurseRoberts

It would only be fair to markv if you would explain why job had to suffer the calamities that beset him first.
---aka on 5/29/13


"So the Lord sent a pestilence upon Israel from the morning even to the time appointed: and there died of the people from Dan even to Beersheba seventy thousand men. And when the angel stretched out his hand upon Jerusalem to destroy it, the Lord repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed the people, It is enough: stay now thine hand." 1 Samuel 24:15,16

Now, you tell me-chritian


Did God kill just the wicked or both wicked and the righteous?

If he did then he broke his own commandment "Thou shalt not murder"!
---Ruben on 5/29/13


did you not know nothing happens without God causing it, allowing or permitting it to happen? ---Mark_V. on 5/28/13

So, Mark, you admit that God allowed the tornado that killed infants and children? Can you explain why God allowed that to happen?
---NurseRobert on 5/29/13


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NureRobert, here's some verses out of the many others from the Bible, you read:

"So the Lord sent a pestilence upon Israel from the morning even to the time appointed: and there died of the people from Dan even to Beersheba seventy thousand men. And when the angel stretched out his hand upon Jerusalem to destroy it, the Lord repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed the people, It is enough: stay now thine hand." 1 Samuel 24:15,16

"He covers His hands with the lightning, And commands it to strike the mark." Job 36:32, "...shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?" Amos 3:6

Now, you tell me.
---christan on 5/29/13


1Cliff, why do you make a joke concerning the Word of God? Why not ask questions so that you can learn about God? Not every blog is for making jokes. The subject here is about God and whether He is responsible or not responsible for the disasters in Oklahoma. The dying of people there is not a joke. If family members of yours were killed you would not be making jokes.
---Mark_V. on 5/29/13


It is written that "it rains on the just and the unjust"
But the Just get wetter because the UNjust steal the Just's umbrellas!
---1st_cliff on 5/28/13


Nurseroberts, did you not know nothing happens without God causing it, allowing or permitting it to happen? If one thing happens without His permission, that one thing would have more power then Almighty God. Nothing has that power.
"Of Him, and through Him are all things" (Rom. 11:36).
God's providence is universal, and He thus secures the complete fulfillment of His plans. God's providential control extends over nature, the animal creation, nations, individual men, the free acts of men, and the sinful acts of men. He even allowed and permitted the death of His own Son (Acts 4:27,28) Both Herod and Pontius Pilate and the people gathered together to do whatsoever God's hand and God's counsel foreordained to come to pass.
---Mark_V. on 5/28/13


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More like you're in unbelief of who's in control of even "nature" and that God is long-suffering. ---christan on 5/26/13

Christan, are you saying God purposely sent a tornado that killed 10 children, 2 of which were infants, and at least that many adults?
---NurseRobert on 5/28/13


"If this was God's punishment, he would have sent a prophet to warn them first" francis

Didn't you read the Holy Bible?

"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds." Hebrews 1:1,2

The last of God's prophet came and finished the mission the Father gave to Him. And you're still waiting for another prophet?

You have all the warnings you need in the Holy Bible. Harken unto them.
---christan on 5/28/13


NO,as a matter of fact there are more Christians in OK.than a lot of places I've visited.Many Christian schools and even a Creation museum.
---shirley on 5/28/13


Mat 24:3 ... Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.


---jerry6593 on 5/28/13


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God don't judge one geographical area. it rains on the just and unjust the same. they live in tornado ally. we should pray for all the victims of any natural disaster. as a matter of fact, we need to pray for our country for man made disasters.
---shira4368 on 5/27/13


These people have suffered enough. They need compassion, not judgement and suspicion.
---Mary on 5/27/13


Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.


If this was God's punishment, he would have sent a prophet to warn them first
---francis on 5/27/13


No,God isn't punishing that city. My Aunt lived in Oklahoma and when I was still a child and on a visit there I remember one night my uncle made everyone go down in the cellar due to storm warnings. He was raised there and knew that time of year they had tornados therefore that's why he had a cellar out away from the house. Different parts of the country have different types of weather.
---Darlene_1 on 5/27/13


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So, people in Moore can know tornadoes use their town for "target practice"? Then, they can dig holes so they are ready. Have sign marked holes along highways, so drivers can hop into them.

But parents even had time, with such warning, so they could drive to school, get their kids, then go home. And yet, all those people got killed.

So, were all those deaths punishment . . . or suicides?? Why did they keep kids above ground, in a school building? Is that punishment . . . or murder??
---willie_c: on 5/27/13


Bro. Josef, great passages you gave and a great explanation. Those people in Jerusalem Jesus talked about thought they were more moral then the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. "Unless you repent you will likewise perish" Jesus words prophetically warned of the approaching judgment of Israel, which culminated in the catastrophic destruction of Jerusalem in AD.70 where thousands in Jerusalem were killed by the Romans (Matt. 23:36). It was a removal of God's blessings on Israel.
---Mark_V. on 5/27/13


"It's superstition to think God is punishing Oklahoma or USA..." 1stCliff

"... the Lord brought an east wind upon the land all that day, and all that night, and when it was morning, the east wind brought the locusts."

"... and the Lord caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided." Exodus 10:13, 14:21

More like you're in unbelief of who's in control of even "nature" and that God is long-suffering. You think only North Korea, Iran, Afghanistan are evil as compared to USA? You had better think again... "There's none righteous, no not one."
---christan on 5/26/13


Soon after WW II, my father bought a new tractor for the farm. When he was plowing one day a piece of grease fell off the axle, and he said, "One of these days man is going to destroy himself himself with all his inventions." Man is doing a good job of it: God probably doesn't need to punish us since we are punishing ourselves. But, I agree with others who made comments that God is trying to get our attention through theses tragedies happening around the world, "We need to wake up an smell the coffee!" before He takes direct action.
---wivv on 5/26/13


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It's superstition to think God is punishing Oklahoma or USA , He would have flattened N.Korea,Iran Afghanistan etc if this were the case!
---1st_cliff on 5/26/13


Luk_21:11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences, and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.


it's very interesting to see man's progression in technology.
---aka on 5/26/13


**I personally believe that GOD is bringing Judgment onto America. GOD wants America to repent. **

That means God is bringing judgement upon YOU, Gordon, and he wants YOU to repent.

++Also, GOD wants America to support Israel and support the keeping of the land of Israel for Abraham's physical descendants,++

The Ashenazi Jews who settled and founded the modern state of Israel are NOT physical descendants of Abraham, but that's another issue.

In any case, the NT says that mere physical biological descent from Abraham--which includes Arabs--is meaningless, giving NO spiritual advantage in God's sight.

But I doubt your worldly denominational church will teach that.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/26/13


I personally believe that GOD is bringing Judgment onto America. GOD wants America to repent. GOD wants HIS American Churches who've back-slidden, to repent and return to HIM. HE wants the American Churches to love and serve HIM and cherish American Religious Freedom, otherwise, it will be stolen by the Devil. GOD wants America's Government to return to allow GOD's Religious Freedom into the country and for GOD and HIS Words to be respected by the U.S. Government and States, in general. Otherwise, swift Judgment will come, on account of the rampant murders (Abortions), Occult/Witchcrafts (Astrology, Alcohol and Drugs), and the barage of sexual perversions and immoralities and the break-down of the family structure.
---Gordon on 5/26/13


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Also, GOD wants America to support Israel and support the keeping of the land of Israel for Abraham's physical descendants, and to stand up against the bartering of this land to the enemies of Israel for the sake of "peace". America and her Government must stand by Israel and not do Israel any harm (including standing up against Israel's enemies). If America forsakes Israel and becomes a curse to her, then, GOD will punish and curse America.
---Gordon on 5/26/13


Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

We have destroyed much of what has been given to our dominion. Beyond climate control of wind, rain and snow, we must be aware that we are responsible for environment control of water, air and land. We have to be retarded to believe that pollutions of emissions and mismanagement of natural resources do not have a global effect. Go and tell this Earth, 'I know not: Am I this Earth's keeper?'
---Nana on 5/26/13


"Is God punishing that city?" No.
Tragedy and death happens, It is simply apart of living in this fallen world. In the words of Jesus, "those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse sinners than all other men who dwelt in Jerusalem? I tell you, no, but unless you repent you will all likewise perish." Luk 13:4,5
---Josef on 5/25/13


it rains on the just and unjust. global warming is a two sided beast. God is in control but man has tried to change things so drastically, God is just letting man destroy himself. He is surely turning His back on America.
---shira4368 on 5/25/13


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Do you seriously think that God is only punishing Oklahoma? What about Africa, India, China or the whole world? The apostle Paul has already told us,

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness." Romans 1:18 - this isn't a particular event but a reference till the end of time that's happening and going to happen.

Isn't the world ungodly? In fact, it's getting worse by the days. If you continue reading Romans 1:18 onwards, Paul even prophesied certain actions by certain groups and that it's not going to get any better. Or why else will the second coming of Christ be imminent?
---christan on 5/25/13


Only if you believe in global warning or climate change, or whatever they can trick people into believing we can control the weather.
---Nikki on 5/25/13


Luke 13:1 There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.

Luke 13:2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?

Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Luke 13:4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?

Luke 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
---francis on 5/25/13


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