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What kind of car does Franklin Gramham and Charles Stanley drive?

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---Trav on 6/2/13
You have not told me,
Eccl 1:1 The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem.
Eccl,
IS the preacher here solomon or someone else?
---francis on 6/2/13

Yes he is, the "gatherer". Did I point out what you didn't want to hear? Solomon is by the Hebrew/O.T. definition an assembler of words...a lecturer. He did not charge for the lectures. You/I received it free and the explanation.

Preacher by definition today are assemblers of public's money. They may share a funny story....but, not what a prophet says.
Truth or Gospel is rare to non existent from their mouth.
---Trav on 6/3/13


Francis, you have a good deal there!
---Love.wins on 6/3/13


Francis, I guess just bring your down payment to the Ford dealer. :)
---Love.wins on 6/2/1
no money down

1st payment due 45 Days

lifetime service oil change

free annual inspection

blue book value PLUS $500.00 for your trade-in

Military discount up to $500.00

Four calling birds,
Three French hens,
Two turtle doves,
And a partridge in a pear tree.
---francis on 6/3/13


I'm not in active paid ministry with any church.
---Love.wins on 6/2/13


---Trav on 6/2/13
You have not told me,
Ecclesiastes 1:1 The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem.

Ecclesiastes 1:2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities, all [is] vanity.

Ecclesiastes 1:12 I the Preacher was king over Israel in Jerusalem.

IS the preacher here solomon or someone else?
---francis on 6/2/13




Francis, I guess just bring your down payment to the Ford dealer. :)
---Love.wins on 6/2/13


love wins, get your people in your church to buy a new car for you. I honestly wish they would. it is a blessing to have a new dependable vehicle.
---shira4368 on 6/2/13


I'm ordained and drive a 2001 Chevy Prizm.
---Love.wins on 6/2/13
what do I have to do to get you into a new ford by Friday?
---francis on 6/2/13


And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests, but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.
---StrongAxe on 6/1/13

Maybe because he was a traveling preacher
---francis on 6/2/13


Can you help me here?

Which king and preacher is he referring to ..... ---francis on 5/31/13

Thanks for expanding this...really. You did wake up strong axe though.
We could do an in depth study just on the original Hebrew word used for preacher in Ecl. One study alone would expand on the feminine form of the word used.
Solomon was a gatherer of words...or lecturer regarding scripture and wisdom.

ko-heh'-leth = preacher
Feminine of active participle from H6950, a (female) assembler (that is, lecturer), abstractly preaching (used as a nom de plume, Koheleth)

The point: Solomon did not "merchandise" GOD words for monetary gain. All Israel was blessed through Soloman's wisdom.
---Trav on 6/2/13




many poor is a way of life they can't seem to rise above and are not motivated to do any different. some are poor because they are lazy. many are poor from circumstances. my heart goes out to those who lost everything they had in a tornado or flood. we just never know when its our time.
---shira4367 on 6/2/13


I'm ordained and drive a 2001 Chevy Prizm.
---Love.wins on 6/2/13


francis:

Matthew 8:20, also Luke 9:58:
And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests, but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.
---StrongAxe on 6/1/13


Jesus was so poor he didn't even have a place to lay his head.
---StrongAxe on 5/31/13
HHMM
He had a treasurer
He received wealth at his birth
---francis on 6/1/13


God loves poor people and they r more humble than a snotty rich person. I think God knew I couldn't handle lots of money. On the other hand I'm rich with a Godly inheritance. A mansion waiting got me. Street of pure gold.plus He is taking care of me now.
---shira4368 on 6/1/13


Poverty is the result of sin. Not individual sin, but like storms, and disasters, it is a result of sin


Deuteronomy 8:18 But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for [it is] he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as [it is] this day.
---francis on 6/1/13


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francis:

David, Solomon, Job, etc. were rich. Jesus was so poor he didn't even have a place to lay his head. One can't use the bible to justify the idea that God necessarily wants us all rich, nor that God necessarily wants us all poor either, because there are examples of biblical heroes of both kinds.
---StrongAxe on 5/31/13


David was very rich.
Solomon was very rich
Abraham was very rich
Job was very rich

God is in the financial blessing business also
---francis on 5/31/13


Trav:

You said: Here is a very well paid preacher
---francis on 5/30/13

Again....you equate priest as kings.


Priests and preachers are NOT the same thing. Priests are intermediaries between men and God - i.e. they usually face God and speak to God on behalf of men. Preachers are the opposite - they face men and speak to men on behalf of God. While the two may tend to be treated as somewhat similar in the modern church (i.e. one heads a Catholic congregation, while the other heads a Protestant congregation), they were very different in the Old Testament.
---StrongAxe on 5/31/13


\\Solomon was a King...not a preacher.\\

Not according to Ecclesiastes 1:1.

"The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem."

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/31/13


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Again....you equate priest as kings.

Solomon was a King...not a preacher.
---Trav on 5/31/13

Sorry my mistake. I thought these verses referred to Solomon:

Ecclesiastes 1:1 The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem.

Ecclesiastes 1:12 I the Preacher was king over Israel in Jerusalem.

Can you help me here?
Which king and preacher is he referring to when he said I the preacher was king, and can you tell me which son of David was both king and preacher and wrote Ecclesiastes
---francis on 5/31/13


1 Kings 10:2 ....Solomon, she communed with him of all that was in her heart.

Here is a very well paid preacher
---francis on 5/30/13

Again....you equate priest as kings.

Solomon was a King...not a preacher. An earthly Lord operating under the Heavenly Lord.
No problem with a preacher owning a business or making his fortune.

Those that make their fortunes "Merchandising" Christ are lower than a snakes belly.
Having no wisdom or understanding themselves....more so are their followers, promoters and defenders.
2 Peter 2:3
through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
---Trav on 5/31/13


jed, I have never criticized a preacher. if it sounded that way I didn't mean for it to. I don't believe in being critical to God's man. I was just telling what my dad did when he pastored. not many pastors like my dad. of course he pastored a church in the worst part of Atlanta.
I know a God called fellow here on christianet and he has been trying to get his campground ministry for the past 10 yrs. he has done it with no help even tho he was promised work from some of the fellas he knows but so far none have helped him. When a preacher has a vision, he can put all he wants into his ministry. him and his wife have poured their lives, money to get their ministry going.other pastors may not feel the same way as my friend does. God bless
---shira4368 on 5/30/13


I Believe that God does bless his ministers and his people. There are Christians who make millions of Dollars, why can't pastors do the same.

most of these millionaire pastors do not get the money from the congregation, they get the money from book sales

There is nothing wrong with prosperity of a minister

3 John 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth

1 Cor 9:4 Have we not power to eat and to drink?
1 Cor 9:5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and [as] the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?
1 Cor 9:14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
---francis on 5/30/13


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Shira, I responded to you the way I did because of your criticism of pastors who have money and drive nice cars, and then proceeding to tell us about the nice car you have. Why do you hold them to a different moral standard than the Christians sitting in the pews? They are no different than a Christian doctor or lawyer who has money and drives a nice car. Aren't all Christians to be as financially dedicated as pastors?
---Jed on 5/30/13


Karend. you are absolutely correct. God gave me means to buy the auto I bought. all my life I have lived for others, took care of others, give to others and I decided its about time for little ol me.
---shira4368 on 5/30/13


We say it this way. God gave us our vehicles and gave us the financial ability to pay the payments too.
---KarenD on 5/30/13


---Trav on 5/30/13

You post if funny because I am yet to identify anyone by name

so let me do so now: SOLOMON
Ecclesiastes 1:1 The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem.

Ecclesiastes 1:12 I the Preacher was king over Israel in Jerusalem.

1 Kings 10:1 And when the queen of Sheba heard of the fame of Solomon concerning the name of the LORD, she came to prove him with hard questions.

1 Kings 10:2 And she came to Jerusalem with a very great train, with camels that bare spices, and very much gold, and precious stones: and when she was come to Solomon, she communed with him of all that was in her heart.

Here is a very well paid preacher
---francis on 5/30/13


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Shira: I could be mistaken, but I think Jed was using sarcasm in his post to you.
---Grandma on 5/30/13


shira4368 on 5/30/13
you are too much
---francis on 5/30/13


Why are we complaining when Minsters of God make millions on a gospel that will never perish?
---francis on 5/30/13

You've identified yourself by the comment.
Wolves Gospel like yours does perish. That is the cost.
What these so called wolves are preaching is not "gospel". It is called tickle my ears and we'll give you money.

Gospel= Good News or Truth. These money grubbers deliver neither. They deliver no meat and barely milk. And that at the cost of everything to those who worship them.
Isaiah 5:20
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil, that put darkness for light, and light for darkness, that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
---Trav on 5/30/13


jed, sorry you feel that way. I could tell you here some of the things I have helped people with money, a car, another car, a campground, semi truck and that is only a few. I am a giving person and I always have given before I get anything I want. what kind of a car do you drive? why don't you sell it and give to the poor? I could have bought a brand new car, but I got a dealer car at a cheaper price. if you think I feel bad getting my car, you are a nut case.
---shira4368 on 5/30/13


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franci, why are comparing the saving of a soul to a super nice car? they are on the opposite ends of importance. men of God should have a nice car. I have never said they shouldn't. I was telling about my dad and others who give all for the glory of God.
---shira4368 on 5/30/13


jed, one more thing to you.I have never in my life had a nice car. I think God gave me that vehicle and I thank Him everyday for all He does for me. when God gives me something, I always share it with others. I don't have much money because I gave most of it to others in need. you really don't know me to make a judgement like you made. I will also tell you, I am enjoying what little I have now. If I want to give it away I can. my children are self sufficient even tho I gave them much. God bless
---shira4368 on 5/30/13


we don't complain when auto manufactures make millions of dollars on cars that perish. Why are we complaining when Minsters of God make millions on a gospel that will never perish?

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth,

1 Corinthians 9:14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

Can we place a monetary value on the life of one soul saved through the preaching of the gospel?
---francis on 5/30/13


well, I love my Hyundai. it is classy and is the best kept secret in the world of vehicles. it even stops when a jogger is jogging up the street. it makes all kinds of noise to alert me. also will slow down if I come up behind another vehicle. I'm still learning how to handle it. if I get out and take my keys with me and if my car is running, it will shut off.
---shira4368 on 5/29/13


Wow, that sounds like too nice of a car for a Christian to drive. Don't you think you're sending the wrong message to unbelievers? What are you doing with that much money anyways? You should have donated all your money to the church instead!
---Jed on 5/30/13


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well, I love my Hyundai. it is classy and is the best kept secret in the world of vehicles. it even stops when a jogger is jogging up the street. it makes all kinds of noise to alert me. also will slow down if I come up behind another vehicle. I'm still learning how to handle it. if I get out and take my keys with me and if my car is running, it will shut off.
---shira4368 on 5/29/13


I say all pastors must drive FORDS
It is the only car approved for travel from one nation to another---francis on 5/28/13

Esp if they wish to ESCAPE from one Country to another Country.
---Nikki on 5/29/13


Shira, since ALL believers are men/women of God and are called to serve God (in one ministry or another), and are called to preach the gospel (in one venue or another), and ALL believers represent Christ in the earth, then ALL believers are to be held to the same moral standards. Your claim that pastors should give all they have into the ministry would apply equally to all believers and not pastors alone. If it is wrong for a pastor to drive an expensive car then it is equally wrong for a christian doctor or christian business owner to drive an expensive car. Perhaps you should start complaining about ALL christians who drive nice cars instead of just picking on pastors only. We are no less called to serve God than the pastors are.
---Jed on 5/28/13


1 Corinthians 9:14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

There is no limit on the blessings of God to his people.

If God's people are faithful, god will continue to bless them all
---francis on 5/28/13


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Fords are very good in a chase


Joshua 2:7 And the men pursued after them the way to Jordan unto the fords: and as soon as they which pursued after them were gone out, they shut the gate.


Ford can pass other cars, but no cars can pass them

Judges 3:28 And he said unto them, Follow after me: for the LORD hath delivered your enemies the Moabites into your hand. And they went down after him, and took the fords of Jordan toward Moab, and suffered not a man to pass over.


therefore get a ford
---francis on 5/28/13


But chevy is "like a rock" and Jesus is our cornerstone.
Beat that one francis
---Scott1 on 5/28/13
and Manza is light of god

but th ebible neigther speaks of Mazda nor Chevy
---francis on 5/28/13


//Ford...It is the only car approved for travel from one nation to another
---francis on 5/28/13//

But chevy is "like a rock" and Jesus is our cornerstone.
Beat that one francis
---Scott1 on 5/28/13


Scott1.....Because a minister makes a 10 million dollar decision makes it right to sell the Gospel of Jesus Christ????? My personal opinion is that anyone selling anything (books, music, CDs, videos, Bibles, etc.) is going to have to answer to God and tell HIM why they sold HIS GOSPEL. I am not talking about the publishers who print the Bibles. And, yes, Scott1, I have been part of making 10 million dollar decisions through grant-writing for an organization for which I worked.
---KarenD on 5/28/13


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cluny, my mom and dad were the most Godly people I have ever known. yes they did raise me right but my hard head wouldn't listen to them. after all we do make our own choices don't we? that includes you. whatever is going on in your life is because you made choices. don't even try to tell me you always go the right path.
---shira4368 on 5/28/13


see cluny, you don't understand the overall blessing God gave me. I prayed for 35 yrs for my husband to get saved and he did get saved 3 yrs before he died. now, flip that coin over and say maybe he would have died and went to hell had we not married. maybe he would have gotten a sorry low life wife who was into drugs and drinking and running around with others but the fact, he did not marry someone like that. all this could have been divine intervention. who knows????? neither of us know.
---shira4368 on 5/28/13


Since Franklin Graham makes over a million dollar a year ....
Since Charles Stanley's salary is a little less than three hundred thousand a year and his books have generated....
Both men are getting rich off the Gospel of Jesus Christ. SHAMEFUL!!!!
---KarenD on 5/26/13

The money grubber/celeb's today. Wolves with Sheep mask's.
Make Shira's dad stand out.

Francis...there is no priest but Christ. You've placed a veil / individual between you and GOD.

2 Peter 2:3
And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
---Trav on 5/28/13


I say all pastors must drive FORDS

Judges 3:28 Follow after me: for the LORD hath delivered your enemies the Moabites into your hand. And they went down after him, and took the fords of Jordan toward Moab

It is the only car approved for travel from one nation to another
---francis on 5/28/13


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//Both men are getting rich off the Gospel of Jesus Christ. SHAMEFUL!!!!//

karen have you ever made a 10+ million dollar decision. That is a decision that pastors of large churchs and organizations have to make repeatedly.
---Scott1 on 5/28/13


\\well cluny, my dad pastored for many years never drawing a salary.\\

Your dad was a pastor, but he didn't raise you any better than to marry an unsaved man, shira?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/27/13


if you believed your tithe was being grossly mishandled, you would not continue to tithe.
---aka on 5/27/13
I would still tithe
i would just pray for those who were empowered to use the tithe

Tithing is part of my worship of God
---francis on 5/27/13


well cluny, my dad pastored for many years never drawing a salary. when he passed away, the church told us dad had not taken a salary and they kept it in their bank. they offered it to us and we declined. I think that's nuff said.
---shira4368 on 5/27/13


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francis, i was just explaining what might be frustrating the blogger.

if you believed your tithe was being grossly mishandled, you would not continue to tithe.
---aka on 5/27/13


++the disciples were all in accords. ---aka on 5/26/13++

Wrong. It was the SAME car, because they were in ONE accord. --- who else?

Cluny, Wrong!

I did not say all in acts were disciples of jesus.

there were also disciples of judaism and they were all in one accord (Act 7:57), sideswiped stephen, and stoned him to death.
---aka on 5/27/13


If I tithe or don't tithe 'tis 'tween me and God.
If the priest / pastor, levite, board of trustees abuse it, that is 'tween them and God
---francis on 5/27/13

I believe some people use the excuse of not to tithe because of the house or car the Pastor lives in or drives.

If the Pastor's car bothers them so much why don't they go to another Church?
---Nikki on 5/27/13


oh cluny you just don't know how to be nice do you? I was making a point that my friend has put all his money into his ministry. now, I call that dedication. I didn't mean to rock your boat but I always give more than 10 percent. I also help others when they cant help themselves. that gives me a real good blessing but guess you know know about that do you?
---shira4368 on 5/27/13


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---aka on 5/27/13
What the preacher, / levite does with the tithe, is not the responsibility of the tither

My responsibility is to God to tithe faithfully. That is where my responsibility end

Jesus NEVER discouraged anyone from being a faithful tither, or a cheerful giver

Malachi 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

If I tithe or don't tithe 'tis 'tween me and God.

If the priest / pastor, levite, board of trustees abuse it, that is 'tween them and God
---francis on 5/27/13


\\cluny, a man of God should put money back into the ministry.\\

Should he put a higher percentage into his ministry than you do, shira?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/27/13


It sounds like a Focus on God would be good (c:

I have been told that the smart car for a poor person to get used to be a Cadillac, because those Cadillacs stayed in shape so you didn't have to keep paying for breakdowns.

So, if they're smart, may be they have well-made cars. And this would be hospitable, maybe, for guests. What they have, as Christians, can be shared.

Paul worked with his own hands, so he had enough to support those with him (Acts 20:33-35) . . . while doing all the ministry he did. Grace is the choice vehicle (2 Corinthians 12:9) all-purpose (Philippians 4:13).
---willie_c: on 5/27/13


Would not that ONE tribe be tremendously blessed?---francis on 5/27/13

yes, with that blessing, that one tribe is tasked to bless the other 11.

but in malachi, it clearly shows what that one tribe does with such a blessing, and it is not good.

In Malachi 3, God is specifically addressing the levites stealing from him and not the general masses.

i think that is what stanswatie is sore about.

it is interesting how the "levites" of today use malachi 3 against the masses when it is really addressing themselves.

any preacher that uses malachi out of context is a misguided preacher that returns the blessing with misguidance.
---aka on 5/27/13


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Those who understand the bible, understand that 12 tribes, were to tithe 10% in support of ONE tribe

In addition to the 10% tithe, they were to give freewill offerings to that ONE tribe

Would not that ONE tribe be tremendously blessed?

Numbers 18:21 And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, [even] the service of the tabernacle of the congregation.
---francis on 5/27/13


any public figure or God "called" preacher is accountable for what they do. preachers are to represent Christ and be a good testimony because they will have to answer to God for what they do on earth.
---shira4368 on 5/26/13


cluny, a man of God should put money back into the ministry. there is nothing wrong with pastors having money but they still must be accountable if they are called by God to preach the gospel. I have a friend in Richmond who has a campground ministry and he pours his money into it because he feels God has called him to this ministry. no one gives him money but he has worked years with his own money to serve the Lord.
---shira4368 on 5/26/13


What kind of car would you, their judge, approve of? Should they drive a car that is 15 to 20 years old and is nearly eaten through with rust holes? Or would a car that is merely 5 to 10 years old be acceptable to you? I won't even suggest that they be allowed to drive (dare I say) a brand new car! I don't want to send you into a cardiac arrest!

I'll tell you what's shameful. People who suggest that there is some sort of correlation between a person's character and the type of car they drive. How pathetic. What? Are people who drive crummy cars better than people who drive nice cars?
---Jed on 5/26/13


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All I know is that as long as they are tithing their monies to God it is enough for me.

I rather they have a million dollar, so they can tithe $100,000.00 than Biden with a million dollars who will only tithe $100.00

It isn't what you have, but what you do with God's portion of the money.

I know this for a fact. Dr. Stanley's Church, and other Baptists in Atlanta are the BIGGEST benefactors of our Catholic home Our Lady of Perpetual home.
The Sisters are able to care for patients with cancer for FREE because of their MONEY.

We didn't care if they dropped off the money in a Focus or a BMW.
The money was still the same.
---Nikki on 5/26/13


1 Corinthians 9:4 Have we not power to eat and to drink?
Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?
Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working?
Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?
Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?
For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?

I beleive that God ministers MUST be blessed financially
---francis on 5/26/13


Cluny...LOL....I don't need their money. Sometimes God blesses people when they just work really hard all their lives. That was also a very crowded accord.
---KarenD on 5/26/13


Genesis says God "drove" Adam and Eve out of Eden.
Since that was six thousand years ago it was probably a vehicle like the Flintstones had that you push with your feet??? y' think?
---1st_cliff on 5/26/13


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\\Both men are getting rich off the Gospel of Jesus Christ. SHAMEFUL!!!!
---KarenD on 5/26/13\\

Would you feel they were less shameful if they shared their money with you?

**The new Pope seems to lean that way.
---Geraldine on 5/26/13**

Most bishops (and the Pope is a bishop) have very little in personal possessions beyond clothes and books.

What gets called the Apostolic Palace is basically an office building. Would you like to live in an office building?

++the disciples were all in accords.
---aka on 5/26/13++

Wrong. It was the SAME car, because they were in ONE accord.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/26/13


How is this information any of your business? If you really want to know, contact their ministries and ask if you must know.

Or did you start this blog to gossip and cast judgment?
---Grandma on 5/26/13


I believe every Christian should take care not to flaunt material possessions, perhaps most especially those in leadership positions. The new Pope seems to lean that way.
---Geraldine on 5/26/13


Since Franklin Graham makes over a million dollar a year between the two organizations with whom he is affiliated, I can assume that he can afford to drive a very expensive car. Since Charles Stanley's salary is a little less than three hundred thousand a year and his books have generated lots of income for him, I can assume that he can also afford an expensive car. Both men are getting rich off the Gospel of Jesus Christ. SHAMEFUL!!!!
---KarenD on 5/26/13


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if they do not drive a Honda accord, they are not biblical because after the day of Pentecost, the disciples were all in accords.
---aka on 5/26/13


Why don't you ask them instead of people who have no more idea than you?

And is it any of your business
---francis on 5/26/13


Does it matter? What kind of car do you drive?
---Jed on 5/26/13


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