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Last week of May 2013.

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Leon:

You asked: Who are you 'Axe to determine what's valid or invalid?

No. I am not the arbiter of what constitutes proper discourse. I leave that to several thousands of years of people who have been able to tell how proper discussions are held.

You guys are one & the same.

No, we're not. We just happen to both agree on what constitutes a reasonable discussion.

Never mind! This is an exercise in futility.

This is one of the few things about which you and I are in complete agreement!
---StrongAxe on 6/3/13


\\Who are you 'Axe to determine what's valid or invalid? You guys are one & the same. Never mind! This is an exercise in futility.
---Leon on 6/2/13\\

I agree, Leon.

Trying to carry on a rational discussion on issues with you is an exercise in futility.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/2/13


Strongaxe, thank you for that impute you gave. I completely agree with you. Peace brother.
---Mark_V. on 6/2/13


"...When people cannot properly respond to an argument, they frequently deflect the issue by rejecting the form of discussion & changing the subject to a personal attack that has nothing to do with the subject at hand...Do you have anything to add that actually addresses the issues [?] raised, rather than trying to avoid them?"
---StrongAxe on 6/2/13


"And He (Jesus) asked him (the man), "What is thy name?" And he answered, saying, "My name is Legion: for we are many." (Mark
5
:9)

Who are you 'Axe to determine what's valid or invalid? You guys are one & the same. Never mind! This is an exercise in futility.
---Leon on 6/2/13


Leon:

When people cannot properly respond to an argument, they frequently deflect the issue by rejecting the form of discussion and changing the subject to a personal attack that has nothing to do with the subject at hand - for example "A: You didn't finish your homework. B: Well, you have smelly feet". A discussion of the form "A: I am making a precise statement. B: But schizophrenics are precise, so you must be schizophrenic" is exactly the same kind of invalid reasoning. Do you have anything to add that actually addresses the issues raised, rather than trying to avoid them?
---StrongAxe on 6/2/13




\\"My country tis of thee,\\

Remember how Aretha Franklin sang this at Obama's first inauguration?

I will agree with Leon. Freedom including the right to be deliberately gauche and boorish as he wishes.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/1/13


The "U.S. FLAG CODE"

"This code is the guide for all handling & display of the Stars & Stripes. It doesn't impose penalties for misuse of the U.S. Flag. That is left to the states & to the federal government for the District of Columbia...no federal agency has the authority to issue 'official' rulings legally binding on civilians or civilian groups. Consequently, different interpretations of various provisions of the Code may continue to be made..."

"My country tis of thee,
Sweet land of liberty...
From every mountain side,
LET FREEDOM RING!"
---Leon on 6/1/13


"...to be precise, that isn't quite what I said...when [you're] trying to communicate about [FACTS], you need to be equally [FACTUAL, e.g.,] when one nitpicks [?]...words... another person [uses] (i.e. when [accusing] another of imprecise wording), ones... words must be [equally] as [FACTUAL] as...one expects of others."
---StrongAxe on 5/31/13


'Axe: Huh?!!! Come on bud, let's cut the "mess"! That sounds "precisely" like gobbledygook! Is being a pompous... & nitpicking really a Christian virtue or a vice? :)

No wonder there's so much devilish confusion in the world! No one can "logically" argue against facts. Luny expressed his pompous opinions (5/28), NOT FACTS!
---Leon on 6/1/13


\\"Axe: In short you're saying balance minus the triteness of pomp (delusion of grandeur) & nitpicking (fault-finding) is vitally necessary to effective communication? Okaaay! I agree! :)\\

Better delusions of grandeur (which I don't have) than delusions of adequacy.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/31/13


Leon:

You said: "Axe: In short you're saying balance minus the triteness of pomp (delusion of grandeur) & nitpicking (fault-finding) is vitally necessary to effective communication? Okaaay! I agree! :)

No, to be precise, that isn't quite what I said at all. What I was saying was that when you are trying to communicate about precise things, you need to be equally precise. For example, when one nitpicks specific words that another person is using (i.e. when one accuses another of imprecise wording), ones own words must be at least as precise as the precision one expects of others.
---StrongAxe on 5/31/13




Leon: ...schizophrenics may be unnecessarily legalistic & formal, lawyers are legalistic & formal for good reason...When one person makes vague accusations at another, [it's] necessary... for the victim to ask for a precise statement of the accusation.

Words are...tools for communication. If...[used] loosely, ideas [will] be communicated vaguely...More precision than necessary [isn't needed] for adequate communications, but one can't use less precision... & still communicate effectively."
---StrongAxe on 5/30/13


"Axe: In short you're saying balance minus the triteness of pomp (delusion of grandeur) & nitpicking (fault-finding) is vitally necessary to effective communication? Okaaay! I agree! :)
---Leon on 5/30/13


"Cluny, I didn't know that the minute a person said,

"The Star Spangled Banner and other patriotic songs should be sung straight, without turning them into soul, gospel, or rock numbers, with slides, turns, wrong notes, and the like."

a person would become schizo or a luny. I was going to agree with you but I better sing it with a soul sound or else I too will become schizophrenic. I sure don't want to become schizo or a luny. francis already calls me an idiot, I call him a heretic because he is a heretic for reals, I'm not making it up. I don't want to be an idiot, luny or schizo."
---Mark_V. on 5/30/13


:D

Too late!!!
---Leon on 5/30/13


Cluny, I didn't know that the minute a person said,

"The Star Spangled Banner and other patriotic songs should be sung straight, without turning them into soul, gospel, or rock numbers, with slides, turns, wrong notes, and the like."

a person would become schizo or a luny. I was going to agree with you but I better sing it with a soul sound or else I too will become schizophrenic. I sure don't want to become schizo or a luny. francis already calls me an idiot, I call him a heretic because he is a heretic for reals, I'm not making it up. I don't want to be an idiot, luny or schizo.
---Mark_V. on 5/30/13


Leon:

While schizophrenics may be unnecessarily legalistic and formal, lawyers are legalistic and formal for good reason. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

When one person makes vague accusations at another, it is necessary and proper for the victim to ask for a precise statement of the accusation.

Words are used as tools for communications. If people use them loosely, ideas can only be communicated vaguely. One doesn't need more precision than necessary for adequate communications, but one can't use less precision than necessary and still communicate effectively.
---StrongAxe on 5/30/13


Projecting again, Leon?

YOU were the one who said "silted and pompous", not I. I merely quoted you.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/30/13


\Stilted or pedantic speech, as seen above, is:\\

"What's stilted [POMPOUS] or pedantic [NITPIKERY] about what I said, Leon? Almost all my words there are monosyllables.

Be specific.

Christ is risen!"
---Cluny on 5/30/13


"Specifically", that describes you to a tee (exactly)! :)
---Leon on 5/30/13


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\\Stilted or pedantic speech, as seen above, is:\\

What's stilted or pedantic about what I said, Leon? Almost all my words there are monosyllables.

Be specific.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/30/13


"You've never been able to understand good taste, have you, Leon?

And again, you think you're a wit, but only half right.

Christ is risen!"
---Cluny on 5/29/13


Stilted or pedantic speech, as seen above, is: A symptom of thought disorder seen through a person's communication. In schizophrenia it's shown by speech content that's inappropriately pompous, legalistic, philosophical or bizarre. This kind of cognitive disorder is also seen as a symptom in the narcissistic personality disorder.
---Leon on 5/29/13


You've never been able to understand good taste, have you, Leon?

And again, you think you're a wit, but only half right.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/29/13


Shira, Your Dave is a national hero and what memorial day is all about!
As far as re marriage, when you've had the best, would you settle for 2d best ?? Naw!
---1st_cliff on 5/29/13


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"...The Star Spangled Banner and other patriotic songs should be sung straight, without turning them into soul, gospel, or rock numbers, with slides, turns, wrong notes, and the like."
Christ is risen!"
---Cluny on 5/28/13


Don't be such a sour puss (lemon face) luny! "We the People" are free to sing our beloved patriotric songs as we well may please, no matter our diverse ethnic persuasions. Just who do you think YOU are to tell US how to express our love of God & country?! :D
---Leon on 5/28/13


Leon, thank you very much. at this point in my life, I am not even one bit want to get married again. Dave has been gone 6 yrs and I miss him too much to even think of marrying again. he was my hero. many women who loose their spouses are out looking in a few short months. I was telling this to you so you could understand how I miss Dave and how he was my hero. God bless
---shira4368 on 5/28/13


This is as good a time as any to point out a couple of things.

According to the US flag code, which has the force of law, the US flag is not to be used as an item of apparel, except for flag patches on military or other uniforms.

That means it is illegal to wear it as a bandanna, head rag, cape, or anything similar.

Since flag pins do not contain 50 stars and 13 stripes, they are not flags.

The Star Spangled Banner and other patriotic songs should be sung straight, without turning them into soul, gospel, or rock numbers, with slides, turns, wrong notes, and the like.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/28/13


Shira: I heartily salute your husband & others true patriots like him who selflessly gave their "ALL" for the sake of others. I pray the Lord will daily meet & fill your needs in the loss of your husband.
---Leon on 5/27/13


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I would like to honor my husband who served for 23 years, exposed to agent orange. agent orange is a slow killer and anyone who comes in contact with it dies slowly. I proudly honor Dave for his service and patriotism. He was awarded the airmans medal for single handly pulling an aircraft from burning fuel. all the others ran and he stayed. if it had blown up, many lives would have been lost. He loved the flag and his country.
---shira4368 on 5/27/13


trish, i do apologize that you took what i said as a direct put down to you.

i did not intend it that way.

So, what's up, everybody? are you having a good day?
---aka on 5/27/13


TAPS

Fading light, dims the sight, and a star gems the sky, gleaming bright. From afar, drawing nigh, falls the night.

Day is done, gone the sun, from the lakes, from the hills, from the sky. All is well, safely rest, God is nigh.

Thanks and praise, for our days, 'neath the sun, 'neath the stars, 'neath the sky. As we go this we know, GOD IS NIGH!!!

IN GRATEFUL MEMORY OF ALL OUR ARMED FORCES MEN & WOMEN WHO GAVE THEIR ALL (LIVES) IN THE LINE OF DUTY TO PRESERVE OUR AMERICAN FREEDOM!
---Leon on 5/27/13


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