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//but you never get too old to pray.
---shira4368 on 6/5/13//

Amen.
---char on 6/6/13


Samuel, forgive me.
But you like francis are mistaking the forgiveness of God with thinking you can't sin!
---TheSeg on 6/6/13

SHOW ME WHERE WE HAVE SAID SUCH THING
---francis on 6/6/13


Samuel, forgive me.
But you like francis are mistaking the forgiveness of God with thinking you can't sin!
You have no sin only because God through Christ has forgiven you. No other reason!

Anyone alive on the earth who tell me openly "I don't sin is a liar!"
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

This is endless!
Peace
---TheSeg on 6/6/13


The apostle Paul laid a foundation for this Church age, the body of Christ, all chritians should share

1 Cor. 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ
---michael_e on 6/6/13


---TheSeg on 6/5/13
yes, you have enough fertilizer for many tees

Just kidding about that

But honestly, I can tell by your post that you are not committed to God.
---francis on 6/6/13




Samuel, I am sorry I lost this post and just found it. It seems your answer to my post was very tricky, you say,

"JESUS is not an archangel as you state I said." and then turn around and say,
" I said JESUS is in charge of all the angels and that title is Archangel." So you gave Him a title of archangel and yet say He is not an archangel. What's that all about?
Here let me help you. Jesus Christ, who is God, is in charge of everything "He is Sovereign". Why did you stop at "in charge of angels?" is it so that it's ok to call Him an archangel? Why? Are you not limiting His Sovereignty? Agape.
---Mark_V. on 6/6/13


Rom 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness [come] by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

The law says False idols are a sin. So I know I am not saved by not worshipping idols. I worship GOD alone for Grace has saved me. The law is a stop sign. We obey because we are given the power to do so by GOD as the result of HIS grace to us.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/6/13


That's why I love the story of Jonah so much.
Here a guy says no! I ain't goin' fact is, I's jump'in a boat to Cuba.

Guys, I know this to so, if God wants you to be some place. You would be there. And there is nothing you can do about it.

It's like what I was telling francis about the tree.
Why it might even be two trees one inside your fence and one outside your property.
You water your tree every day, feed it and nourish it. But it dies anyway.
But the tree that you didn't even look at lives on.

Does this make any scene to you?
If it does then I believe you are blessed.
Love you all, Peace
---TheSeg on 6/5/13


seg. I don't have to prove anything to anyone. guess I was being picky. after all, got to say something besides fighting on here all the time. a healthy debate is good for all of us but some take it to a new level. I try to live a Godly life and be a testimony to a lost and dying world. I am older now and not able to do much but you never get too old to pray.
---shira4368 on 6/5/13


what exactly is it that yu are trying to say?
Read your words!
francis on 6/5/13
Sad, you don't remember your own words?

Now Nana, Micha and Shira I understand you are saying you CAN commit yourselves.
And on that, I can agree with you but more to my point is have you?

Now before you jump-up with, I do, I do!
Take a good look at the world around you.
What are you doing here?

It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

You don't have to prove anything to me, do you?
God Bless, Peace
---TheSeg on 6/5/13




seg, I can make a commitment. do you work? if so you have committed yourself to get up everyday and go to work. some go to work and it isn't a commitment for them because they lay out at least 1 day a week. I have made a commitment to get up every sunday and go to church. its ok seg, we just differ here.
---shira4368 on 6/5/13


You are the one who persecutes other for keeping the law of God
francis
---TheSeg on 6/5/13
POST IT
---francis on 6/5/13


Psa 37:3-6 Trust in the LORD, and do good ... Delight thyself also in the LORD, and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart. Commit thy way unto the LORD, trust also in him, and he shall bring [it] to pass. And he shall bring forth thy righteousness as the light, and thy judgment as the noonday.
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live, yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Phi 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure.
I understand where you're coming from Seg, but if God gave man responsibilities, wouldn't that necessitate commitment?
---micha9344 on 6/5/13


"we can commit ourselves to harder work, more testimonies, witnessing for Christ."
---shira4368 on 6/4/13

Absolutely agree.
---Nana on 6/5/13


No one has persecuted you for righteousness' sake
You are the one who persecutes other for keeping the law of God
francis

You see a lot of things, dont you? Anyway!
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
But really at this point its just stupid to keep telling you things you dont believe. Isnt it?

But just know this, whenever you posts things that are untrue.
Someone will always be there to rebuke you.

Also you ever look at the way a tree grows?
Well God did the same thing with men.
Peace
---TheSeg on 6/5/13


shira4368, sorry but you can commit yourself to doing it.

I just cant help myself, everywhere I go, everyone I talk to.
All day long, night and day, day in day out, this is all I do!

There is no commitment, here!
I never told God this is what I do.
I never agree to this, I never asked for this.
I can help myself I am not in control of myself.
Sorry if this sounds hard to you.
But it is important you know this, even if, you dont understand it.

I never picked God!
I was 7 years old a child!
When it happen a child, I knew not God.
I only knew of him! To this day no one believes!
Commit, Oh Please!
---TheSeg on 6/4/13


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"If it was an Old Testament title, wouldn't you think they would use it in the old Testament? And if it were pre-incarnate Christ, wouldn't you think they would use His other titles after incarnation?
The whole thing is from the mind of a false prophetess."
micha

Not everywhere in the OT is michael used to refer to JESUS. But it is used there. After his incarnation he is referred to as JESUS CHRIST 99% of the time.

This doctrine was from history. John Calvin considered it and Matthew Henry taught it. So like 95% of what we Seventh day Adventist teach came from our Protestant forebearers. If you read actual good critics we have only one new doctrine. This is not it.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/5/13


Unlike you rich in deeds!
Sinless, a keeper of the law!
Peace
--TheSeg on 6/4/13
what exactly is it that yu are trying to say?

I keep telling you, and i see others telling you that you are not saying anything

No one has persecuted you for righteousness' sake

you are the one who persecutes other for keeping the law of God
---francis on 6/5/13


we can commit ourselves to harder work, more testimonies, witnessing for Christ.
---shira4368 on 6/4/13


Why don't you know the difference between committed and submitted?

You don't commit yourself to God.
Joh_5:41 I receive not honour from men.
You submit yourself to God.
Jas_4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Poor guy
Yes francis a very poor guy indeed!
But, Blessed are: The poor in spirit, They that mourn, The meek, They which do hunger and thirst after righteousness, (The merciful), The pure in heart, The peacemakers, They which are persecuted for righteousness' sake
Ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely!
For my sake!

Unlike you rich in deeds!
Sinless, a keeper of the law!
Peace
---TheSeg on 6/4/13


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the title "archangel" is only given in the New Testament and mostly concerning future events?
---micha on 6/4/13

Here is the future event:
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with THE VOICE OF THE ARCHANGEL, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Here is another reference:

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear HIS VOICE, And shall come forth, they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life, and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation

more details on this event IN
Daniel 12:1-3

so whose VOICE raises the dead?
---francis on 6/4/13


Yes I know I did not commit myself to God.
This is just one of the many reasons you dont understand!
---TheSeg on 6/4/13

poor guy,
twoe words:
1: COVENANT
2: EXPAND
---francis on 6/4/13


\We believe this is a title given in the Old Testament to the preincarnate GOD.\-Samuelbb7 on 6/4/13
Does it solve the problem that the title "archangel" is only given in the New Testament and mostly concerning future events?
The problem truly lies, not in the title, but in the name Michael. For there are many Michaels in the Bible. To say that Michael, the "cheif" angel corresponds to any other Michael is just the same as comparing apes to humans.
Furthermore, If it was an Old Testament title, wouldn't you think they would use it in the old Testament? And if it were pre-incarnate Christ, wouldn't you think they would use His other titles after incarnation?
The whole thing is from the mind of a false prophetess.
---micha on 6/4/13


---Mark_V. on 6/4/13
You lack of understanding has been well documented on CN
1: you think God gave Adam a soul
2: you think souls are immortal
3: you do not know which day is the sabbath
4: you do not know that the Angel of God is Jesus
5: you do not know what " the spirit of the law" means
6: you think that one can keep the spirit of the law, without actually keeping the latter

i will give you credit for a few things though: you do know that the last week of the 70th week of daniel 7 has passed. You do believe in righteousnes sby faith, though your knowledghe is limited. You do believe the trinity, though you cannot explain how the trinity opperates.
---francis on 6/4/13


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Samuel, you say in defense that Jesus Christ is an archangel,Mark_V.

Dearest MarkV let me state this again. JESUS the CHRIST is GOD. Second Person of the Trinity who created all things, is uncreated having existed with the FATHER and HOLY SPIRIT since all eternity. JESUS is not an archangel as you state I said. I said JESUS is in charge of all the angels and that title is Archangel. He is:1Ki 18:15 And Elijah said, [As] the LORD of hosts liveth, before whom I stand, I will surely shew myself unto him to day.

I hope solves the problem. We believe this is a title given in the Old Testament to the preincarnate GOD.

I do not understand how you got your understanding after all the times I have defended the trinity here. Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/4/13


You do not know what love is yet. I can tell by your post that you are not yet committed to God
francis

Yes I know I did not commit myself to God.
This is just one of the many reasons you dont understand!

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
---TheSeg on 6/4/13


---TheSeg on 6/3/13
You do not know what love is yet. I can tell by your post that you are not yet committed to God

Almost every time you post something, I ask you to EXPAND, and I EXPAND for you, showing that you idea are half baked

Is it too much to ask that you check you context maybe even your doctrine

Example: Maybe you should stop trying to keep it and start doing it!---TheSeg on 6/3/13

I expanded for you, turns out doing and keeping are interchangeable

The Royal Law is Joh_13:34!
---TheSeg on 6/3/13

I corrected you again. only James uses the phrase " royal law" and he uses it to speak of the ten commandments

I know you can do better IF you expand, and stop being contentious
---francis on 6/4/13


Samuel, you say in defense that Jesus Christ is an archangel,
"That does not make me wrong. In this minor doctrinal difference."
If this issue is minor to you, then it means that salvation means nothing to you. The issue is big. It is an issue that holds you from the pit of hell. What you are suggesting is that an archangel really died for you, not the Person of Jesus Christ.
Jesus did manifest Himself as the Angel of the Lord, and the Angel of Jehovah, but He was not an angel just like satan was not a literal snake. Nowhere in Scripture are we told Christ is a literal archangel, archangels are created being created by Christ Jesus Himself, nor is He a piece of bread, a door, or a literal gate.
---Mark_V. on 6/4/13


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I have no problem with the Trinity. I support and believe in the Trinity. I just believe that one of the Old Testament names of JESUS is Michael.
Samuelbb7

This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Far be it from me to tell you what to believe and what not to believe!
If you want to believe there was another name given then do so.
But know this you believe there are two names!

O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken!
Peace
---TheSeg on 6/4/13


Mark_V. I really dislike saying this, but francis is a fool.
Does not mean I dont love francis, just means this is a fool.

One thing I know for sure, francis has no real love inside.
Some might even ask how I can know this, all I can say is dont worry about it.
Ive seen enough love to remove the tallest of mountains and fill the deepest of valleys.

You know what get me most about men, the way most always says:
You have to be sure about what you believe, and I totally agree 100%

Like when God said:
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Yes, one really has to be sure!
Peace Brothers
---TheSeg on 6/3/13


Exodus 13:21 And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way, and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light, to go by day and night:

Exodus 14:19 And the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them, and the pillar of the cloud went from before their face, and stood behind them:

Here again the Angel of The Lord is God
Exodus 19:9 And the LORD said unto Moses, Lo, I come unto thee in a thick cloud,
---francis on 6/3/13


JESUS is LORD and GOD and head (arch) of all the angels.

I have no problem with the Trinity. I support and believe in the Trinity. I just believe that one of the Old Testament names of JESUS is Michael.

Yes I know that JW have misused this and are totally wrong in their many gods. But then they also do not believe or teach that they are born again. Except for the 144,000 dying leaders who tell the poor flock what to believe.

That does not make me wrong. In this minor doctrinal difference.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/3/13


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---Mark_V. on 6/3/13
the only person who post more garbage than seg is you

Here the bible makes it very clear that the angel fo God is God


Genesis 31:11 And the angel of God spake unto me in a dream, [saying], Jacob: And I said, Here [am] I.

Genesis 31:12 And he said, Lift up now thine eyes, and see, all the rams which leap upon the cattle [are] ringstraked, speckled, and grisled: for I have seen all that Laban doeth unto thee.

Genesis 31:13 I [am] the God of Bethel, where thou anointedst the pillar, [and] where thou vowedst a vow unto me: now arise, get thee out from this land, and return unto the land of thy kindred.
---francis on 6/3/13


The Seg, francis says, when you will ever post some logic? He just doesn't understand. Whatever Truth you give him it is foolishness. He cannot comprehend any of it.
"But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, Nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" (1 Cor. 2:14). As long as he beliefs that Jesus is an archangel, he will never understand the Truth who is Jesus Christ. His got the wrong truth. Nothing anyone tells him will convince him. He needs the Spirit of God in order to be under the new Covenant of Jesus Christ who is Lord and God, not an archangel.
---Mark_V. on 6/3/13


Maybe you should stop trying to keep it and start doing it!
---TheSeg on 6/3/13
More garbage

keep the law, and do the law are interchangable

2 Chronicles 14:4 And commanded Judah to seek the LORD God of their fathers, and to do the law and the commandment.

1 Chronicles 22:12 Only the LORD give thee wisdom and understanding, and give thee charge concerning Israel, that thou mayest keep the law of the LORD thy God.
---francis on 6/3/13


Rom_13:8 Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law!

Jas_1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

Rom_13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Maybe you should stop trying to keep it and start doing it!

Now you do understand the words in Rom 13:10??
Love worketh no ill to his neighbor, dont you?
Seems to me thats, where you get so lost.

What are you thinking, is that what love is to you?
Youre saying you can love someone and do him wrong?
What kind of love are you talking about, thats not love!
Speak the truth!
---TheSeg on 6/3/13


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TheSeg on 6/3/13

royal law is only mentioned in james


James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.


TEN COMMANDMENTS
---francis on 6/3/13


The royal law is the ten commandments. Circumcision is a blood covenant Exodus 4:26 So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision. ( Moses did not do the circumcision, his wife did. he got no blood on himself)
francis

The Royal Law is Joh_13:34!
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another, (as I have loved you), that ye also love one another.

Jas_2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture (Not according to francis!),
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Ye do (very very) well!

//Circumcision is a blood covenant Exodus 4:26//
Made with Abraham in Gen_17!
And Abraham took Ishmael his son, and all...
And so?
---TheSeg on 6/3/13


francis, are you so blind you don't see you are circumcising yourself!
---TheSeg on 6/3/13
the garbage from you keeps coming
when will you post a single intelligent post?
---francis on 6/3/13


francis, are you so blind you don't see you are circumcising yourself!
I love you because you're crazy! You really believe the things you tell yourself.
I say yourself, because I really do feel you and yours are the only ones listening!
I also know it's OK for you to believe what you do. It will not change what God has done!
Many just like you can't understand that!

Samuelbb7, may God bless you too!
You think because God gave you Spirit, you can't sin in the flesh? New flash!
The flesh is sin!

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, neither doth corruption inherit incorruption!

You're to live in the Spirit!
Not in the flesh!
Peace!
---TheSeg on 6/3/13


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The truth that love fullith the law is misunderstood by many. As JESUS points out in Matthew 5 when we love we go on to the Spirit of the law and not just the dead letter. When you follow the Spirit you do not break the letter. do you hate someone you love? Not possible. So therefore you will lie, murder, steal commit adultery etc since they are unloving. When you love GOD do want to replace him with money, idols and do you want to spend time with HIM? Would you use the name of a loved one as a curse?

The Jews in JESUS day had replaced love as Moses taught and grace as Moses taught then replace it with works.

Love results in doing right. See First John.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/3/13


--Theseg on 6/2/13
Actually the fool here is you

EXPAND: Circumcision is NOT part of the ten commandments



Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet, and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

The royal law is the ten commandments. Circumcision is a blood covenant Exodus 4:26 So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision. ( Moses did not do the circumcision, his wife did. he got no blood on himself)

You are talking about two different things
---francis on 6/3/13


The Seg, the thing to share among all new and some old Christians, is that believers in Christ should learn to be aware of those from the SDA religion. Some of their members want the new believers to stay in the Old Covenant which was given to Israel.
The new believers need to know they are under a new an better Covenant, the Covenant that Jesus paid with His own blood.
You are right, the SDA's like francis and jerry, want to keep the burden on the new believers by telling them they are under the law when they have already been set free by the Lord Jesus Christ.
---Mark_V. on 6/3/13


francis!

Every one of the apostles told you and everyone else exactly how to fulfill the law. Clearly, even the Lord Jesus Christ told you how to fulfill the law!

Thou shall love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets!

Adding!
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another, as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

You think you going to convince anyone away from this?
Mark_v right! You are a heretic and a fool!
---TheSeg on 6/3/13


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If ye fulfil the royal law (according to the scripture), (Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself), ye do well:

On these two commandments (hang all the law and the prophets.)
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, (Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.)

For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this, (Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.)

For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, (that we should love one another.)

Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, (Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law:) (to whom we gave no such commandment:)

Luk_18:9, fool!
---Theseg on 6/2/13


---TheSeg on 6/1/13
Sorry your entire post in without context, it is a pretext and a pretense of nothing.

for example: you posted this: Mat_23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders, but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

For this post to make sense you need to say what exactly is the heavy and grievous burden that is placed on you.

But before you post your usual garbage EXPAND: 1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous


Mark_V post where I said that Jesus is not God, and stop being an idiot
---francis on 6/2/13


Its like I said before francis and will continue to say always.
But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Mat_23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders, but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
Luk_11:46 And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers.

Gal_6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
Until that day!
---TheSeg on 6/1/13


Mr. Seg: "You see yourself as righteous. You've even told me you're a saint, but really just a foolish man."

The same might be said of you. Your writing style is seldom honest and straightforward, but rather cryptic and pseudo-poetic. Francis uses his real name, but you call yourself "The". HOW FOOLISH!


---jerry6593 on 6/2/13


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H. francis, the problems you are having is that you are completely lost. I say that by your answers. Not only are you lost but you are teaching anti-christ teachings. You are not even an SDA for they do not teach what you do. You have a big problem, the Spirit of God has not changed your heart. It is full of pride, the reason you are full of yourself. When you are able to understand that Jesus Christ is God in the flesh, then you will know the Truth (who is Christ) and He will set you free from the bondage you are in and don't even realize it. Doing the desires of your other father.
---Mark_V. on 6/2/13


---TheSeg on 6/1/13
Your problem is that you have not YET committed yourself to God. And because of this, you have difficulties accepting the word of God


I accept the word of God as is, from God and I see myself as God sees me, not as man sees me

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
---francis on 6/1/13


francis you can believe whatever you want, it will not change anything, the truth can't not be hid.
You see yourself as righteous. You've even told me you're a saint, but really just a foolish man.

I always find it interesting when you write, Rom_3:31.
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Because the truth is the only one saying, I keep the law and is sinless before God, is you!
In actuality, making the law void!

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
You do just the opposite!

Jas_5:16, it's ok!
Because I know the truth, 1Jn_1:8!
Foolish man!
Peace
---TheSeg on 6/1/13


The problem that some are having is balancing these scriptures:

Acts 13:39 ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Galatians 3:11 no man is justified by the law
Galatians 5:4 whosoever of you are justified by the law, ye are fallen from grace

With these:
Romans 2:13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified
James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works,
James 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works,

If you are having trouble with those raise you hand O/. I will help you
---francis on 6/1/13


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---TheSeg on 6/1/13
I believe you do not understand the word of God, because you are not committed to God YET

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Romans 2:13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ,... and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Galatians 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found NOT KEEPING THE LAW, is therefore Christ the minister of LAWLESNESS? God forbid.
---francis on 6/1/13


As evidence that we have accepted righteousness (by faith we then keep the law.)
francis

Heb_11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Rom_6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Rom_11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

I believe youve made yourself clear, Thank you!
We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken, we also believe, and therefore speak,

For there is one body
Peace
---TheSeg on 6/1/13


---TheSeg
No matter how perfectly we keep the law from the time that you have accept Jesus, that one sin that we committed, have blemish us and is the reason for our death. We cannot then even with one sin way way way in the distance past stand before God and declare that we have kept the law for years and thus we are righteous and Just.
That one sin years ago had disqualified us for that righteousness.
Now the only righteousness available to us, is the righteousness of God that is made available through Christ through both justification, and sanctification ( righteousness by faith) as opposed to righteousness by works

As evidence that we have accepted righteousness by faith we then keep the law
Romans 2:13
---francis on 5/31/13


Now Nana or francis can you tell me what is meant by:
Rom_3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom_3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Instead of side stepping it!
So that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
---TheSeg on 5/31/13


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1 Cor 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation...,
1 Cor 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

1 Cor 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.




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---michael_e on 5/31/13


Nana I have said it already and you did not hear.
Do we then make void the law through faith? No!
Now listen, the law is not void, did you hear it?

Rom_3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin, As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Is that clear enough? Now if you want to believe you don't sin.
Then you have not heard the law!
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/31/13


So then TheSeg maybe you can explain to everyone, what is mean by:
Romans 3:31 "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law."

And:
Romans 2:13 "(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified."
---Nana on 5/31/13


Christ was born a Jew. He died King of the Jews,....
---mike on 5/30/13

Christ means anointed. So the anointed was born through the "Judean" line. Not accepted as the King of Judah....but, the Lost Sheep of Israel did accept. You know the other 11 composing Israel.

Who had been divorced/put away from GOD....making them as you say of the "ethnos", "nations"...translation = gentiles.

The anointed = Christ / Apostles / found sheep, didn't fail. Matt 10:6 - Matt 15:24.
Regard-less what the puft/puffy self elected preachers....preach.
Remarriage legal because of the death of Jesus. Wah-lah....New Covenant with the same participants. No laws broken, all prophecy fulfilling.
---Trav on 5/31/13


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We are saved by Grace alone. But once saved we are to:

Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Dear Francis Are you stil a member of the Seventh day Adventist church and do you still believe in the 28 fundamentals?
---Samuelbb7 on 5/31/13


For the few, they live, die, and live again.
---aka on 5/31/13


"Is there anything share by all Christian, other than there is a God?" Yes. Christ.
---Josef on 5/31/13


So then francis maybe you can explain to everyone, what is mean by:
Rom_3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom_3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Thanks!
Peace.
---TheSeg on 5/31/13


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Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Rev 14:12 the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Matthew 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.

Christianity has standards that not everyone is willing to receive THE LAW AND THE TESTIMONY

Isaiah 4:1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.

Some just want to be called Christian to take away their shame
---francis on 5/30/13


I thought I asked a very simple question.
What can be share by all Christians and what do I get.
Not everyone is a Christian. How true.

For what if some did not believe? Shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
I guess you guys are saying it would.

And if the ear shall say, because I am not the eye, I am not of the body, is it therefore not of the body?
Here too it seems you believe they're not.

Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
And here, he can't do this.

Shira, you seem to be the only one
Bearing one another's burdens!
Peace
---TheSeg on 5/30/13


The true children of God should be told of their election by God. If they don't know then they need to be told. It is imperative that they know how they were saved. Because the glory always goes to God. For without God we can do nothing.
---Mark_V. on 5/30/13


the foundation of all Christians is Paul's gospel Rom 2:16, 1 Cor 15:1-4
---michael_e on 5/30/13


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Samuel, your methods and answers would work great if the person were really born of God. A genuine Christian believer. We can only see the outside of another person. They might do all kinds of good things in front of everyone, but in their hiding places they could be more evil then anyone. We cannot see the heart in order to know if they are born of God. We can judge them by their works, but many times that is not enough proof. God is the only one who knows who the true Christians are. Many today who call themselves Christians will one day be turn back by God. He will not know them. God knows all of His children. Love is the greatest commandments.
---Mark_V. on 5/30/13


All Christians should share a whole lot. But because men have devised many ways to GOD and many leaders pull apart followers then we have many denominations.

All true Christians Love GOD and love others. You can tell the true Christians by their love.

Jhn 13:35 By this shall all [men] know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/30/13


Christ was born a Jew. He died King of the Jews,so if christians "put on christ", why do they have a gentile mind?
---mike on 5/30/13


By "Christians", here, I mean "we who first trusted in Christ" (Ephesians 2:12). And trusting Jesus includes how we are guided by Him "continually" (Isaiah 58:11). We share in this, are "called in one body" (Colossians 3:15) to always . . . "continually" . . . be obeying how our Father rules us in His own peace in our "hearts", Paul says in Colossians 3:16.

We are with our Groom and one another in His love, all the time while we obey "in one body".

And Jesus has prayed that our Father loves us as He loves Jesus > John 17:20-26. So, we share in God's own love "in our hearts" (Romans 5:5).
---willie_c: on 5/30/13


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Is there anything share by all Christian, other than there is a God?
---TheSeg on 5/29/13

This question should be rephrased

the question broadens the definition of Christian to include all who say lord lord


Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

It is only those who do the will of the father, who are Christians

1 Thessalonians 4:2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.
1 Thessalonians 4:3 For this is the will of God, [even] your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
---francis on 5/30/13


yes there is much a Christian can share. bearing one anothers burdens, Christ who God sent to bare our sin. Godly music, doctrine and it goes on and on.
---shira4368 on 5/29/13


Yes! The death, burial & resurrection of Jesus Christ, THE SON OF GOD. Anyone who doesn't believe in the aforementioned isn't a Christian.
---Leon on 5/29/13


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