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Are there any Christian Believers here who used to listen to Rock Music (both secular and Christian) but have stopped doing so to follow the LORD better? If so, was it effective?

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micha, we just need to be a lighthouse on a hill and live what we preach.
---shira4368 on 6/17/13


The prize is the salvation of others through His Word, the Gospel.
The race run is our obedience.
If we are not obedient to the gospel, our preaching is in vain, we become useless to preaching when we don't practice, we become disqualified to preach and being used by God for the salvation of another.
The unbelieving world sees our race and the prize is their salvation. Our actions can either qualify us to speak without hypocrisy or disqualify us, making our words useless in hypocrisy.
---micha9344 on 6/17/13


anyone who is saved is not part of the world anymore. Once I went on a bowling tournament with a team. The sat night all went to a bar. Not to be left out I went along with them. I sat there for about 10 minutes and I was miserable. I got up and left. Didn't like the loud rock music and the drunks.
---shira4368 on 6/13/13


\\James....objects to something for no good reason...\\
---James on 6/11/13


I wasn't objecting to the way the passage is written, I was trying to get a particular response from Mark V, and BUILD to a point.

The point is - How could Paul be disqualified from preaching AFTER he preached?

Would God go back and unsave all the people who had heard the gospel from a disqualified preacher?

Or would the DQ be before the preaching


If the PAST TENSE issue isn't nailed down first, the rest is for naught

See now ???
---James_L on 6/12/13


James, The point is, is that, The Apostle Paul is saying that, at the time when he made the statement "Lest, when I have preached to others..." he had, in fact, by that time, ALREADY had preached to others, and that, now it was, from that point onward, a real possibility for him to become "disqualified" and a "castaway" from GOD's Kingdom, if he did not continue to walk in the Ways of the LORD.
---Gordon on 6/12/13




James: This is one of those cases where someone objects to something for no good reason.....

In case your English is not so good: 'when I have preached to others' (this was already written by Mark V and you objected, but as far as I can see it was due to a lack of understanding of the English language)

You complain that 'HAVE PREACHED is past tense'

Well, as your first or second grade English teacher would have pointed out to you in elementary school, Mark already WROTE it in past tense - both when and after indicate past. In the original Greek you cannot tell which of the two is the better translation.

REMEMBER - the bible sitting on your shelf is a TRANSLATION, not the ORIGINAL
---James on 6/11/13


\\ "lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified" \\
---Mark_V. on 6/11/13

Wrong ! !

He' saying that AFTER he has preached, he could be disqualified

NIV - AFTER
NASB - AFTER
ESV - AFTER
NLT - AFTER
HCSB - AFTER
ISV - AFTER
NET - AFTER
ASV - AFTER
ERV - AFTER

HAVE PREACHED is past tense
---James_L on 6/11/13


Cluny, only one time will I answer your comment. I know it will not make James L, a happy camper either. He never likes my answers. How many do? Not many. But I am here to speak for the Lord no matter what anyone says.
(1 Cor. 9:24-27) Paul begins by using the metaphor of a race (v.24) Everyone in the race competes for a prize. (v. 26)
"Therefore I run thus: not with uncertainty. Thus I fight, not as one who beats the air. But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, "lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified" Paul knew that a preacher of the Word needed to be blamesless and above reproach. If he had those sins he would be disqualified from teaching the Truth.
---Mark_V. on 6/11/13


\\ The context says NOTHING about being disqualified from preaching and teaching. \\
---Cluny on 6/10/13

but...but...but...that's the only interpretation that fits into his pre-manufactured doctrine that appeals to only half the scriptures, and either rejects or twists the rest
---James_L on 6/10/13


\\ The contestants who failed to meet the basic training requirements could not participate at all, much less have an opportunity to win. Paul means sins that disqualify a man from preaching and leading the Church. \\

The context says NOTHING about being disqualified from preaching and teaching.

But you're right--if you're disqualified, you don't win the contest.

And Hebrews 11 extends the athletic metaphor.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/10/13




Gordon, you failed to read the context of the passages. (1 Cor. 9:27) Paul is not saying he will lose his salvation. He discipline himself by knocking out the bodily impulses to keep them from preventing him from his mission of winning souls to Christ. Disqualified is a metaphor from the athletic games. The contestants who failed to meet the basic training requirements could not participate at all, much less have an opportunity to win. Paul means sins that disqualify a man from preaching and leading the Church.
(1 Tim. 1:18,19) makes it clear that those having faith and a good conscious were the ones who did not reject the faith. The false teachers ignored their consciences and the truth , and as a result suffered shipwreck.
---Mark_V. on 6/10/13


Mark V, Satan HATES the people of GOD and will do anything, as I mentioned, to get GOD's people to shipwreck their Faith. You didn't know that it's possible for a child of GOD to wreck their Faith and become cast-aside? Let's see what the Holy Bible says about this in I CORINTHIANS 9:27, the Apostle Paul admonishes "But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a CASTAWAY." In I TIMOTHY 1:19, it says "Holding Faith, and a good conscience, which some having put away concerning Faith have made SHIPWRECK."
---Gordon on 6/10/13


1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant, because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Matthew 8:16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils:

Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

1 Timothy 3:7 lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.


1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils,

2 Timothy 2:26 And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
---francis on 6/10/13


Gordon, you say,
"Satan is, indeed, in a battle for the souls of GOD's people." Satan is not in a battle for God's children. Believers are sealed by God. The lost already belong to the devil and don't know it. They need Christ. Then you say,
" He wants to try, as much as he can, to steal and destroy the Faith of GOD's people," That too is not true at all. No one can take away the gift of faith God gave the believer. Then say,
" so that their lives may become back-slidden and shipwrecked (I TIMOTHY 1:19)" Having faith and good conscience these people rejected. They belonged to a church but never made a confession of faith, they rejected it. These passage is speaking of Apostates.
---Mark_V. on 6/10/13


Shira: Maybe this will help. There was once war in heaven - Jesus and His angels fought with Satan and his angels. Since the bad guys were kicked out of heaven, they have infested our planet. But, the battle continues. Satan can't hurt God directly, so he attacks God's children. The battleground is our minds - Satan tempts, but the Holy Spirit empowers. The prize is salvation if we choose wisely, or death if we don't.

My definition of the soul is found in Gen 2:7 - the body plus God's breath of life. It is the body, mind, character and personality. My SOUL is ME.



---jerry6593 on 6/10/13


Shira,
No one doubts that we're involved in spiritual warfare.

But, what YOU specifically said is that the DEVIL is in a battle for our souls. Then, you said that if I DON'T believe that the devil is in a battle for MY soul, I wouldn't understand.

I have a feeling that you'll stretch this out to 75 replies without EVER answering my question

?? WHAT DO YOU MEAN when you say - the devil is in a battle for your soul

Who is he battling against - YOU or GOD ??

What is this SOUL that he's battling for ??

What does FOR mean to you ???

For can mean to benefit. Do you think the devil is battling to benefit your soul ??


WHAT DO YOU MEAN ???

Explain thyself
---James_L on 6/9/13


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1st peter 5:8....ephesians 6:11. 1 timothy 3:7..you can bet we are in spiritual warfare.
---shira4368 on 6/9/13


Shira,
since the bible nowhere says that the devil is in a battle for anyone's soul, and since that can be understood several different ways, I thought I would ask what YOU mean by that.

Maybe it's just fundamentalist jargon that doesn't mean anything.

Maybe you don't even know what you meant. Maybe you've heard that a thousand times at church, and never asked for clarification

It depends on how you define soul, and what you think the devil might gain or accomplish if he were to win this battle

Soooo....

What do you mean by that ????
---James_L on 6/9/13


Satan is, indeed, in a battle for the souls of GOD's people. He wants to try, as much as he can, to steal and destroy the Faith of GOD's people, so that their lives may become back-slidden and shipwrecked (I TIMOTHY 1:19)
---Gordon on 6/9/13


well if you don't know how satan is in battle for your soul, you wouldn't understand if I told you.
---shira4368 on 6/9/13


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// satan is in the battle for our souls. //
---shira4368 on 6/7/13

What do you mean by that ?
---James_L on 6/8/13


james 2:19, I did not say the devil believes in God for salvation but he knows that God saves. satan is in the battle for our souls. each day that passes, the subtle ways satan deceives is truly amazing. I think harry potter is another ploy of satan. my family member says it just fantasy and to her it is but in reality it is just another way of satan.
---shira4368 on 6/7/13


//The notion that the devil believs in God is the most ludicrous thing a Christian can ever say.//

But the demons including Satan also shutter. I reread that verse and previously I thought that demons just knew that he existed, but really the demons know that God is all powerful, all knowing, everlasting, etc. See the story of Legion in Luke 8:28. They know the power just not the LOVE and trust. James your view of belief is trust and obey which is correct. Other people call that as belief is called love and that is the difference in the song.
---Scott1 on 6/7/13


The Devil does not believe in GOD in the way that he trusts in GOD's Words in order to follow GOD. But, Satan "believes" in GOD, in that, he knows that GOD exists, and that GOD is Who HE claims that HE is.
---Gordon on 6/7/13


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//...either Ps 3 or Acts 2 speak of a truth that lives moves and breathes contrasted against a truth to believe?//

Really? God comes down like a FIRE active, and in strength, very masculine. God is not passive or reactionary or weak. I have grown up in a church family and God was just there something you believed in, but NO God is much more than a thought, HE is GOD

//Where does 1Jn 4:7-10 speak of falling in love with Jesus, or any mention of a change in me ??//

verse 9 "so that we might live through him" that is change, we deny our self and live through LOVE that only comes from God. verse 7 "let us love one another, for love is from God" We are incapable of love because true love is from God.
---Scott1 on 6/7/13


Shira, if you think the devil believes in God, then you are utterly deceived.

Scripture never, ever says that. NEVER.

You, and many others, need to learn what it means to believe in someone, and stop mishandling scripture.

If a child is about to sing in front of a crowd of 300 people, he might be a nervous wreck. His mom might try to assure him that he can do it. She would probably say I believe in you

How much support is she offering if she means "I believe you exist"


The notion that the devil believs in God is the most ludicrous thing a Christian can ever say.

Makes me wonder if YOU believe in God, if you don't even know what it means
---James_L on 6/7/13


the devil believes in God and he trembles. didn't you know that??
---shira4368 on 6/6/13


Scott1,

First, it seems that you're trying to find a scripture reference to half-sentences from those lyrics

Second, where do you see even those half-sentences in the scriptures you referenced ??

where do either Ps 3 or Acts 2 speak of a truth that lives moves and breathes contrasted against a truth to believe ?

Where does 1Jn 4:7-10 speak of falling in love with Jesus, or any mention of a change in me ??

etc etc etc

The whole song reeks with - don't look for tuth, objective faith, or a promise from God. Just fall in love with Jesus, whatever that means to you

Bogus nonsense.


Mark Eaton, I did complain. to no avail
---James_L on 6/6/13


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James
I need more than
A truth to believe
I need a truth that lives
Moves and breathes (Psalms 3, Acts 2)

To sweep me off my feet, it's gotta be
More like falling in love Than something to believe in
More like losing my heart
Than giving my allegiance (2 Samuel 6:14,15)


Love, love, love
Deeper and deeper, it was
Love that made me a believer (John 3:16)
In more than a name
A faith, a creed (Psalms 51:15,16)
Falling in love with Jesus brought
The change in me (1 John 4:7-10)

Compare those words to scripture.

Done. I use to be all about the truth. But I thought the truth was a fact (a statement, something you believed in) it is not. Truth is the person of God John 1.
---Scott1 on 6/6/13


\\ james 2:19 tells the devil believes and trembles...\\
---shira4368 on 6/5/13


The devil believes what, Shira ?
---James_L on 6/5/13


james 2:19 tells the devil believes and trembles so if the devil trembles then so do his minions.
---shira4368 on 6/5/13


Scott1,
Scripture never says the Pharisees (at large) nor demons believe in God. Those words aren't found at all

Regardless, here are some words from More Like Falling In Love by Jason Gray

I need more than
A truth to believe

I need a truth that lives
Moves and breathes

To sweep me off my feet, it's gotta be
More like falling in love
Than something to believe in

More like losing my heart
Than giving my allegiance

Love, love, love
Deeper and deeper, it was
Love that made me a believer
In more than a name

A faith, a creed
Falling in love with Jesus brought
The change in me


Compare those words to scripture.
---James_L on 6/5/13


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I have a dear friend who was in bible college and their favorite song was "drop kick me Jesus thru the goal post of life". isn't that the most stupid thing you ever heard? I couldn't believe anyone would sing that song, especially at a college.
---shira4368 on 6/5/13


I hear this song come on K-Love, and I want to bash my radio with a hammer.
---James_L on 6/4/13

Have you complained to K-Love?

I am grateful where I live we have many christian radio stations. However, one station recently switched to more pablum than I like. I sent an email to the station asking why they switched to this format. Their response is classic appeasement of the world:

"Our radio station plays family-friendly music for the entire family. We see the music that we play as acceptable to everyone in the family."

My response was another question. Why is the Word of God not acceptable to the entire family?

Now, when the pablum comes on I switch to the station that plays old hymns.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/5/13


//"It's gotta be more like falling in love than something to believe in"//
James

Duet 6:5. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and might.

The Pharisees believed in God. Even the demons believe in God. This is what the song is referring to.
---Scott1 on 6/5/13


Yes
The blatant requires very little, if no, discernment.
It is the shadows of the Truth that require one to dig in, as the Bereans, and see if it is so.
---micha9344 on 6/4/13


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I agree with micha9344

The melody is not the issue, it's the words. There is some "christian" music that makes me want to puke.

One song is by Jason Gray, in which he sings:
"It's gotta be more like falling in love than something to believe in"

I hear this song come on K-Love, and I want to bash my radio with a hammer. Satan is probably licking his chops for those who would rather "fall in love" with Jesus as opposed to "Believing In" His Words, which are life

Which is worse? - secular music with a blatantly worldly lyric, or something pawned off as Christian but is deceptive ???


BTW, my 7 years old son has a taste for bands such as Red and Skillet
---James_L on 6/4/13


I've never liked rock music but have enjoyed some popular songs over many decades and much classical music. My favourite singers are Kathleen Ferrier, Marian Anderson Gwen Catley and Paul Robeson.

I don't know if any of them had a personal faith in Christ but all sang Christian 'sounding' songs as well as secular and operatic works. I enjoy them all still.

God is the one who knows the heart of these long dead individuals.

Some modern music sounds completely demonic.
---Rita_H on 6/3/13


I first beleived on Jesus Christ in my early teens. I was also interested in music.
I would listen to the Country music my parents had on, but mostly to the Rock my friends listened to. It was many years later that Jesus Christ convinced me to make Him Lord. One of my first convictions was the music I had listened to all this time. But my Lord had already provided with me the way out, because it is not the melody that's the issue, it is the lyrics. He led me to many wholesome radio stations and I found many singers and groups which melodies I enjoyed and lyrics pleasing to my King.
This also included parodies, which made me think how the original artists are spoiling the skills God gave them, lyrics of the flesh instead of God's Glory.
---micha9344 on 6/3/13


Man I like everything from Al Jolson, Benny Goodman, Billie Holiday
To the doo wop days, beach boys, Temptation, Four Tops up to The Sugar Hill Gang, The rappers delight:
I said a hip hop the hippie the hippie
to the hip hip hop, a you dont stop the rock
thats as far as I go with any rap!

And lets not forget songs like Portrait Of My Love Lyrics - Matt Monro
Now when I hear this song I think of God!
Oh Yes and the Classic Bach, Beethoven, Chopin.
And you know I live in Brooklyn!
The Brooklyn Philharmonic

God I think, I love everything!
I even know the words to most of these songs.
But more than all this, I love you!
Peace
---TheSeg on 6/3/13


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\\You do know that most baptist hymns were drinking tunes in the 1800's
---Scott1 on 6/3/13\\

To give an example, "O Happy Day" is the same melody as "How Dry I Am."

Our National Anthem melody was originally an English pub song.

In the Middle Ages, the same piece would be sung in Latin in Church, sung in French during a banquet, and speeded up and played on instruments for dancing afterwards.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/3/13


What a bunch of old fuddie-duddies. Reminds me of the line from City Slickers, "Sixties you have a major surgery, the music is still loud, but it doesnt matter because you cant hear it anyway".

I was and always will be a head-banging hard metal rocker. However, I no longer listen to secular music. I listen exclusively to CCM, mostly older stuff.

I do agree with aka. CCM stopped being about Jesus and living the Christian life and more about fluff. Milk for the masses.

I love the honesty of a Steven Curtis Chapman or Mark Hall.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/3/13


Wow. Thanks for all these very interesting replies and views!

Is there anyone here, or abroad, who used to listen to secular Rock music before becoming a Christian, or even while being a Christian, but has turned away from it for the LORD's Sake and is glad for doing so?

Was there a big difference in your Christian life for having done so?
---Gordon on 6/3/13


//I don't like any music that sounds like a bar room. just good Godly music and it don't matter what language as long as its Godly.
---shira4368 on 6/2/13//

You do know that most baptist hymns were drinking tunes in the 1800's
---Scott1 on 6/3/13


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I like the comments by -1st_cliff on 6/2/13, original was scripture set to melody ( psalms set to melody)

The melody of the Jew is very different from the melody of the African.

I would not expect an African to set his psalms to the same melody as a Jew.

I myself like the diversity of gospel / christian music set to different melodies

I have a friend in Florida who plays steel drums, and one in georgia who plays jazz, one in Seattle who swears by light rock, one in Texas for him if it ain't country it ain't music
---francis on 6/2/13


The evolution of Christian music (originally mostly scripture set to melody) but now you can hardly tell it from heavy metal.
It's the old idea that "if you can't fight 'em join 'em"
Same evolution has taken place in doctrine.
(make it popular)
---1st_cliff on 6/2/13


I don't like any music that sounds like a bar room. just good Godly music and it don't matter what language as long as its Godly.
---shira4368 on 6/2/13


Can anyone define " Christian music."

Would yew expect it to sound the same in India, China, Mexico, Israel, Iraq, and Canada?
---francis on 6/1/13


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I never liked rock music myself. I prefer Bach and Handel.
---Love.wins on 6/1/13


christian music was really getting good at the turn of the millenium. but, then this stuff and fluff called "praise" and "worship" music took over. 7/11 music. 7 words sang 11 times.

very watered down...and then i saw a lot of satanic/masonic symbology in it.

there is more christianity in rock music than there is in christiam music. but, in all fairness, i stopped listening to it, so it might have changed.
---aka on 6/1/13


The reason there are white and black churches is because of segregation.
---KarenD on 6/1/13

Yes very true, that was ONE of the reason, the original reason.

But today, it is mainly because of worship style, especially in music, and the black preaching

My point here is this:
Different people from different background prefer different rhythm

one like Greenbaum may prefer a slightly rock beat, one like Andre Crouch a R and B rhythm.
Kenny Rogers like his gospel music with a country twang.
---francis on 6/1/13


well francis, I have never heard a song called spirit in the sky. guess I am too old to have much sense.
---shira4368 on 6/1/13


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francis, you say you have never been a sinner? wow, where did that come from?
---shira4368 on 6/1/13
Are you really that old and blind?

Do you not see that this is a line from NORMAN GREENBAUM - SPIRIT IN THE SKY

So much for gaining wisdom with age
---francis on 6/1/13


Shira: Francis was quoting the lyrics of song "Spirit in the Sky."
---Grandma on 6/1/13


Francis...The reason there are white and black churches is because of segregation. Thankfully, my husband and I pastor a very mixed church where all ethnic groups are equally welcomed.
---KarenD on 6/1/13


francis, you say you have never been a sinner? wow, where did that come from? the bible says we are all sinners and are as filthy rags. when God sees you, He sees filthy rags. same with me but those who are born of the Spirit are covered by the Blood of the Lamb.
---shira4368 on 6/1/13


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When I die and they lay me to rest
Gonna go to the place that's the best
When I lay me down to die
Goin' up to the spirit in the sky

Goin' up to the spirit in the sky
That's where I'm gonna go when I die
When I die and they lay me to rest
Gonna go to the place that's the best

Prepare yourself, you know it's a must
Gotta have a friend in Jesus
So you know that when you die
He's gonna recommend you to the spirit in the sky

Never been a sinner, I never sinned
I got a friend in Jesus
So you know that when I die
He's gonna set me up with the spirit in the sky

Read more: NORMAN GREENBAUM - SPIRIT IN THE SKY
---francis on 6/1/13


Greenbaum was raised in a traditional Jewish household and attended Hebrew school.citation needed His initial interest in music was sparked by southern blues music and the folk music that was popular in the late 1950s and early 1960s.

If he was raised Jamaican, it would have had a reggae beat, if he was country, it Greenbaum was raised as an R and B sinner, it would have had an R and B flava

The beat is not relevant, the praise is:
Psalms 150:6 Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD.

One of the reason why there are black, and white churches in America, is because if the music. The doctrine may be the same, but the music is different. Even when the lyrics are the same, the rhythm, and beat may be different.
---francis on 6/1/13


No rock music I have ever heard, secular or "religious" is anything but self-centered. I want to hear only religious music that honors God, just as I want to see/hear sermons where the preacher is NOT showing off.
---Geraldine on 5/31/13


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