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Sola Scriptura In Bible

What is the origin of the doctrine called Sola Scriptura, as it is not found in scripture?

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Nikki, I am not arguing with you..... I just understand someone who accepts (as I do) that the Bible has no errors, that he/she should ONLY use the Bible- but I doubt it can work...In that way, I can understand the idea, but not the action of Sola Scriptura

However, I do not think it is done in the correct way - we are not all able to understand everything in the Scriptures, and we will need to ask others about what some chapters really mean.

So I feel that Sola Scriptura is a well meant idea (as in when Christ answered the enemy with Scriptures) but using ONLY Scriptures will generally get people into trouble - not because their idea is bad, but because people are too weak to do that

Blessings
---Peter9556 on 6/12/13


Why must names be given to an important part of a Christians life,"Only Scripture or Only the Bible" says the truth of the matter very well. Either a person accepts only God's Word or they also accept a denominations belief in both God's and Mans Word. All the Denominations belief,and man's discussions in the world cannot and never will be as important as the Bible which hasn't been corrupted by man accepting things as approved when it is only by One Denomination. Yet there are people in those Denominations who are devout Christians. One fault I have seen in them is to dismiss all other Denominations as not saved,which isn't true. It is Christians hearts not their denominations that saves them. Love is of God,he that loves knows God.
---Darlene_1 on 6/12/13


//Now your KJV has only 66 books.
Which KJV is innocent and which one is guilty?
---Nikki on 6/12/13 //

FYI my kjv has 66+7 equals what?
Incidentally, i find no plan of salvation in these extra books, as Peter writes, "the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation," So they are just extra books.
Also how can Cluny or you or anyone else compare anything to the original manuscripts, which you don't have?
Which KJV is innocent and which one is guilty?
---michael_e on 6/12/13


\\Nikki, that kjv with 73 books is the false Bible. \\

No, it isn't.

\\The reason they are not part of Scripture\\

Yes, they are.

\\ is because much of what they say contradict the rest of the word of God\\

No, they don't.

One might as well say that both Romans and James can't be the Word of God because they contradict each other. This is why Luther rejected James as "the epistle of straw"--because it flat out contradicted his believe in justification by faith alone.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/12/13


"I really have no clue what that bible says, because I do not have it. I have six Bibles and none are one year ones. They are all life time Bibles. I do have over five hundred books from different writers and thousands of sermons from many."
---Mark_V. on 1/31/13 A Demon In My Bed blog

Sola Scriptura to some is anything contained in the writings of their denominational persuasion. The conscience of these have been alienated by commentaries. There were no commentaries in Jesus days and yet the people exclaimed, "

Matthew 7:28_29 "And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes."
---Nana on 6/12/13




Nikki, that kjv with 73 books is the false Bible. The reason they are not part of Scripture is because much of what they say contradict the rest of the word of God. Again as to James L, you have a right to not use Sola Scriptura. We know that the RCC, Eastern orthodox, and Oriental Orthodox churches do not believe that Scriptures is the only infallible source of Christian doctrine. In their view their ( denominations)doctrine does not derive her certainty about all revealed truths from the Holy Scriptures alone. Because they have their own denominations traditions that must be accepted by their members. When people converted, they convert to their denomination, not to Jesus Christ. In other words, you are in bondage to the words of sinful man.
---Mark_V. on 6/12/13


Peter, when I said silence I was speaking to everyone who wouldn't answering my questions, not just you if you believe in sola scriptura.

I think you and I are saying the same thing.

Someone with authority over the English language taught me to read, write and speak English.
I didn't just look at the paper and taught myself.
If that was so I could speak, write and read every known language in the world by just looking at it.
No I need authority from another, not just from the text itself.

Michael_e, Cluny is saying that the original 1611 KJV had 73 books.
Now your KJV has only 66 books.
Which KJV is innocent and which one is guilty?
---Nikki on 6/12/13


James L, the RCC rejects Scripture interprets Scripture. They have invented so many things not found in the Bible. Sola Scriptura is not used by every person outside the RCC, the reason there is so many interpretations. No person here needs to go by Scripture only if they don't want to. No one is forcing you or anyone. Just like no one is forcing anyone to be an antiest. If that is what you want to do, follow man's traditions, that is your choice. You can hate sola Scriptura, in fact you can hate anything I say. No one is forcing you or anyone to believe the Word of God. you can complain about every version of Scripture, and every Bible. You also can do what the Jehovah witnesses do, invent your own word, if that is what pleases you.
---Mark_V. on 6/12/13


//You don't actually think this is talking about WRITTEN words, do you?//

You don't actually think you have some spoken words, do you?
---michael_e on 6/12/13


Nikki: 'Your SILENCE proves you don't believe in this concept.'

Actually, Nikki, I did not come back to Christianet since I posted that!

On the other hand, the idea that NOTHING else can be used is overdoing is

To EVERYONE who believes Sola Scriptura, a question

See if you can answer it:

The Bible as you read it is written in some language - most of you read it in English, but not all of you

So, to read the Bible you need to know English

BUT - you did not learn English from the Bible

SO - what you use to understand the Bible is NOT learnt from the Bible - SO YOU CANNOT USE IT

SO, according to Sola Scripture, YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND THE BIBLE

Explain why I am wrong
---Peter9556 on 6/11/13




Mark_Eaton* It is one of 5 Solas used in the protest which became the Protestant Reformation.

Several of the Protestant Reformation fathers believe Mary had no other children using the bible only!

Mark_Eaton * It is specifically stated as Only Scripture.

The Bible does not make this claim.

Mark_Eaton * As opposed to RCC, Orthodox, which all believe that traditions or prophets can be sources of doctrine and truth.

As does scripture:

Acts 15:1-14 Peter resolves the Churchs first doctrinal issue regarding circumcision without referring to Scriptures.

2 Thess. 2:15 - the fullness of the Gospel is the apostolic tradition which includes either teaching by word of mouth or by letter.
---Ruben on 6/11/13


cluny, I do have a copy of the 1611 with the apocryphy. I have read the history of the King James bible. all I can say to you is the modern versions leave many references of Jesus as just a man, leaves out many verses with hell and many verses about satan and takes out the deity of Christ.
---shira4368 on 6/11/13


//Did you know that the KJV you have is probably NOT the 1611 version?//
I have this
//The original Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic.//
You don't have this.

You don't actually believe God inspired His holy words in the "originals," but has since lost them, since no one has a perfect Bible today do you?
---michael_e on 6/11/13


\\God promised to preserve His words (Psa. 12:6-7, Mat. 24:35).\\

You don't actually think this is talking about WRITTEN words, do you?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/11/13


\\If it isn't the KJV, then what is it?\\

The original Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic.

ANY translation will ultimately be what someone ELSE thinks "God's pure word" says. This includes the KJV.

\\No one has ever proven that the KJV is not God's word. \\

No one has ever proven that it is, either.

\\The 1611 should be considered innocent until proven guilty with a significant amount of genuine manuscript evidence\\

Did you know that the KJV you have is probably NOT the 1611 version?

If it doesn't contain the Apocrypha, it definitely is NOT the 1611.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/11/13


"Nowhere does the Bible specifically teach Sola Scriptura." Who said it did? Sola Scriptura is a teaching tool use to interpret Scripture.
---Mark_V. on 6/11/13

Mark,

If that is the case then why is it that so many who use the 'teaching tool' to interpret scripture can not agree among each others. Where does the 'teaching tool' say who is the correct interpretation of the scripture verse?
---Ruben on 6/11/13


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You can't unless you are getting it from another Authority. That isn't in the Bible. Your SILENCE proves you don't believe in this concept.
---Nikki on 6/11/13

Sola Scriptura was used in protest against the traditions of the RCC and Orthodox churches. It is one of 5 Solas used in the protest which became the Protestant Reformation.

It is specifically stated as Only Scripture. Only Scripture is the authoratative and infallible source of Christian doctrine and truth.

As opposed to RCC, Orthodox, SDA, LDS, and JW which all believe that traditions or prophets can be sources of doctrine and truth.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/11/13


The Bible is the ultimate standard for Truth.
One cannot use something outside of it to prove it True, else we have a different standard.
We use the Bible to determine if something else it true, false, or inconsequencial.
Jesus, being the living Word and Truth, sets this standard by which we find our salvation.
God is revealed in creation and we are without excuse.
Christ is revealed in scripture and we have faith by hearing the Word.
Scripture is sufficient for the salvation of the soul, the original meaning of Sola Scriptura--by God's inspired writings alone.
---micha9344 on 6/11/13


//How do you know which Bible is the correct Bible to read from?//

God promised to preserve His words (Psa. 12:6-7, Mat. 24:35). There has to be a preserved copy of God's pure words somewhere. If it isn't the KJV, then what is it?
No one has ever proven that the KJV is not God's word. The 1611 should be considered innocent until proven guilty with a significant amount of genuine manuscript evidence
---michael_e on 6/11/13


\\ Sola Scriptura is a teaching tool use to interpret Scripture. \\
---Mark_V. on 6/11/13

Where did you hear that nonsense ??

Sola - ALONE
Scriptura - SCRIPTURE

Sola Scriptura is a tenet of faith, not a "teaching tool"

This tenet says that SCRIPTURE ALONE is our authority for all spiritual matters

So, does scripture have a listed canon ? If not, then THAT spiritual matter came from some authority other than scripture

Does scripture give the date and author of each writing ? If not then THAT spiritual matter came from an extra-biblical authority

And there are others
---James_L on 6/11/13


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Peter, Christians before the 16th century never believed in Sola Scriptura.
People yell out Bible only to get out of something.
Refusal to follow any Authority but their own.

Jesus doesn't believe in sola scriptura. Proof: Matthew 23:2-3
He didn't say read the scriptures to find out what to do.
Plus, there are many people who can't read the Bible.

PLEASE: Mark and others who believe in only scripture, answer my questions.

How do you know which Bible is the correct Bible to read from?

You can't unless you are getting it from another Authority. That isn't in the Bible. Your SILENCE proves you don't believe in this concept.
---Nikki on 6/11/13


Strongaxe, you say
"Nowhere does the Bible specifically teach Sola Scriptura." Who said it did? Sola Scriptura is a teaching tool use to interpret Scripture. Then say,
" While it does say that the Bible is profitable for teaching, etc. it doesn't say that everything NOT in the Bible is NOT profitable." I never said other things not in the Bible were not profitable. Sunglasses protect the eyes, Bibles in many languages, computers to study the Word. Then say,
" Similarly, nowhere in the Bible does it say anything about the canon being closed (in fact, nowhere in the Bible does it say anything about canon at all)." it doesn't. The word canon came from man to the describe the word of God.
---Mark_V. on 6/11/13


Cluny, I made myself clear, I said,

" it is pretty clear you do understand, that God is not giving out new revelations to anyone."

Is that clear enough? "Not giving out new revelations to anyone" That includes, All people. Sola Scriptura is, comparing one passage with another that speaks on the same topic. All theologians do that. Salvation, and all passages about salvation. Sanctification, and all the passages that speak of sanctification. and on and on. Why do that? To make sure no passages contradict each other. In many cases there is only one passage that speaks of one subject, and there is nothing to compare it with. Nothing to lose sleep over, or get all pushed out of shape about.
---Mark_V. on 6/11/13


By whos authority do Protestants accept which writings are to be considered scripture ??

Is there a list in the bible ?? or is it by extra-biblical authority ??


By whos authority do Protestants accept authorship of certain scriptures ??

Are the names written in each case ?? or is it by extra-biblical authority ??
---James_L on 6/10/13


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\\Many theologians in the early centuries in the RCC used sola Scriptura to find out whether other passages that spoke of the same subject said the same thing. \\

Can you give the names of any, Mark_V?

And I noticed you said NOTHING about the new revelations of Protestants.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/10/13


Mark_V.:

Nowhere does the Bible specifically teach Sola Scriptura. While it does say that the Bible is profitable for teaching, etc. it doesn't say that everything NOT in the Bible is NOT profitable. Similarly, nowhere in the Bible does it say anything about the canon being closed (in fact, nowhere in the Bible does it say anything about canon at all).
---StrongAxe on 6/10/13


Nikki, no matter how you want to twist your answers it is pretty clear you do understand, that God is not giving out new revelations to anyone. The Bible is the revealed Word of God. Scripture is close. Anyone adding anything new not found in Scripture is not the Word of God.
On the other hand Sola Scriptura is a tool theologians use in the study of biblical interpretation. Many theologians in the early centuries in the RCC used sola Scriptura to find out whether other passages that spoke of the same subject said the same thing. When they didn't find a passage, they used their own interpretation on the passage. You will not find this information in your website.
---Mark_V. on 6/10/13


You people are only starting from your own views, and then using this place to argue things out, that is why things get nasty.

Sola Scriptura is a reasonable view, but it is not DIRECTLY stated in the Bible. However, the Bible IMPLIES that since the teachings of, for example, the NT can be 'implied' from those stated by God in the OT, one could state that the IDEA of Sola Scriptura is a running idea, though not directly stated
---Peter on 6/10/13


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MarkV, according to you if it isn't in the Bible it isn't God's Revelation.

So, by your OWN WORDS you made Sola Scriptura a new revelation.

If not, give chapter and verse. Prove it isn't new revelation.
---Nikki on 6/10/13


Mark_V, where in the Bible do we have pews, altar calls, invitation hymns, and sinner's prayers?

These are all new revelations of Protestants.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/10/13


How do you apply Sola Scriptura to youth pastors and youth ministry, Women ministry, men's ministry seeing that none of these can be found in Scriptura?
---francis on 6/10/13


Nikki, sola Scriptura is not a new revelation from God, no one has said that it was. It is a teaching tool in interpretation of Scripture. You also say that the RCC does not believe in new revelation. If you don't then why do you use the rosary? Why do you pray to Mary? Why is Mary considered never to have had children? Why did the RCC replace Jesus Christ as Head of the Church? When did God say in the Bible that popes were at any moment in time infallible? Where in the Bible did God say Peter was a pope? Those are all new revelations from the RCC not found in Scripture so they are new. We don't need to use Sola Scriptura to know those revelations are not from the Bible, because there is not even one passage to say those revelations are true.
---Mark_V. on 6/10/13


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nikki, why are you against sola scripture? I need more than just saying catholics don't believe in sola scripture. why don't you? does catholics have their own bible? why don't you believe in revelation?---shira4368 on 6/9/13

I believe in Revelation from God, but not NEW revelation from a man.

Because sola Scriptura isn't in the Bible.
That is a new concept in order to trick and control Christians.

All Christian including Martin Luther (a Catholic Priest) had 73 books. He helped remove 7 books from the OT.

How can a Priest have 73 book Bible, and when he leaves claims there are only 66 books?

Don't you feel cheated?
---Nikki on 6/9/13


nikki, why are you against sola scripture? I need more than just saying catholics don't believe in sola scripture. why don't you? does catholics have their own bible? why don't you believe in revelation? I am just curious. honestly, I just want to know for myself. thanks
---shira4368 on 6/9/13


Nikki, you say you keep having to post this.---Mark_V. on 6/9/13

MarkV, that was directed to the Moderator not you all.
One of them doesn't play fair.
They block my post if he or she doesn't like it.

Peace.

By the way, the RCC does state there is no NEW Revelation as well.

That's why we are against Sola Scriptura. That is a new revelation because no one ever believed that until the 16 century.

Sola Scriptura is NEW concept in the Christian World.
---Nikki on 6/9/13


Dimidium Scripturae = half of scripture
---James_L on 6/9/13


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James L, I will give you the grand prize for today.
You have actually used a term that stumps me. What does Dimidium Scripturae mean?
Christ is risen!
Cluny on 6/9/13

Cluny you have made me laugh! That a good one!!
Thank you
Amen
---TheSeg on 6/9/13


James L, I will give you the grand prize for today.

You have actually used a term that stumps me. What does Dimidium Scripturae mean?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/9/13


// "All scripture is given by inspiration of God..." 2 Timothy 3:16,17

So, what's the problem? //
---christan on 6/7/13

One problem is that the verse you quoted says All Scripture not Only Scripture

So to say that Paul taught Sola Scriptura is bogus.

Besides, your doctrine is derived from Dimidium Scripturae, so that's another problem
---James_L on 6/8/13


I believe God's Word is the final authority.-Shira4368

Okay, who was the first Authority?
It wasn't the Bible. No where in the Bible did it tell you "pick me".
How do you know their research was solid?
I can trust a GPS, but if it is wrong, I will be going in the wrong direction.

How do you know they didn't leave out or change a word? Forget a word. I guess you picked a 66 book Bible. What about 7 books?
Why did you choose that Bible, that SOME Christians had for 400 years?There had to be a reason?
I know why I read my 73 book Bible.

You trusted some other AUTHORITY. So the Bible wasn't your only or final Authority. Men are whom you trusted with their translation thus controlling your beliefs.
---Nikki on 6/9/13


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Nikki, you say you keep having to post this. And then give all the reasons you disaprove what anyone says concerning Sola Scriptura. Of course you disaprove. No one expects you to agree, you belief in the traditions that your church has put on all members of the RCC not found in Scripture. How could you possibly agree with anyone else? You and Ruben are always trying to say, that it was your church who gave us the Truth, so for that reason, anything the RCC says is truth also. But God gave us the Truth. All the church did was except what was already truth. Scripture closed, there is no more new revelations from God. All we need for salvation and life is already written.
---Mark_V. on 6/9/13


nikki, I chose my bible thru research of all translations. I believe God's Word is the final authority. It has everything one needs for salvation.
---shira4368 on 6/8/13


I keep having to post this, why?

MarkV, which Bible are you reading?
Why did you pick that Bible?
How did you determine it was the one?
Which one do you read?
The one Christians read for 1500 years, or the one Christians have been reading for 400 years?

Which translation do you trust? How do you know it is the correct one? Samuel reads 5 different translation.
How do you or he know if the translation is correct since you didn't see the original one centuries ago?

You can't! You are dependent on someone's AUTHORITY when you chose your favorite translated Bible.
---Nikki on 6/8/13


Sola Scriptura is true. It is the best way to interpret Scripture. Almost all subjects talked about in the Bible, have other passages that speak of the same subject. When we run into a problem interpreting one passage, we can always look at other passages with the same topic and all Scripture will never contradict. Traditions were not always necessary to every Christian in Bible history. Many traditions of the Old Testament are not necessary under the New Testament after Christ came and the Holy Spirit came upon all believers.
---Mark_V. on 6/8/13


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So, what's the problem?
---christan on 6/7/13

the problem is that there are many definitions
---francis on 6/8/13


Sola Scriptura is a just a theology term defining: "that the Bible contains all knowledge necessary for salvation and holiness". That's all. And this is simply a confirmation of Paul's epistle to Timothy:

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Timothy 3:16,17

So, what's the problem?
---christan on 6/7/13


Samuelbb7, Jewish people didn't only depend on their Scriptures.
Jesus even tells them to continue to listen to the people in Moses' Chair.
Jesus didn't say interpret the Scriptures as you SEE FIT.
Sola Scriptura isn't in the Bible. You all made that up because you all wanted to stop following the Church.
Jesus is clear on the subject!
Matthew 23:2-3
"The scribes and the Pharisees have taken their SEAT ON THE CHAIR OF MOSES. Therefore, DO AND OBSERVE all things WHATSOEVER they TELL you, but do not follow their example."

Note he didn't say do and observe all things they tell you, EXCEPT unless you interpreted the Scriptures differently.
JESUS NEVER BELIEVED IN SOLA SCRIPTURA!
You all made it up!
---Nikki on 6/7/13


Jesus answering them with Scriptures wasn't what made they mad. It was the parables that anger them the most.

I think you need to read your Bible some more before you make a opinion.
Nikki

Well Nikki I have read the entire Bible in five different translations. Plus I read it daily. Now you can say you disagree with my opioion. Yes the Parables made them mad. But when he pointed out they were hypocrites for not following the law. That certainly not make them happy.

Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone
---Samuelbb7 on 6/7/13


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the answer I think, depends of how Sola Scriptura is defined
---francis on 6/7/13

Agreed.
---micha9344 on 6/7/13


Francis, you make good points. Maybe Sola Scriptura didn't apply in ancient times.
---Love.wins on 6/6/13

the answer I think, depends of how Sola Scriptura is defined
---francis on 6/7/13


the Jews replaced the Tanak with Tradition. Which is one of the reasons they rejected JESUS. Because JESUS answered with Scripture and it is written. But they had their traditions which replaced scriptures. So when you do not follow sola scriptora you are indeed following the Jews.---Samuelbb7

What? I guess I follow Jesus since I know His Words. The parables are in OUR Scriptures NOT THEIR Scriptures.

Mark 12:12
They were seeking to arrest him, but they feared the crowd, FOR THEY REALIZED THAT HE HAD ADDRESSED THE PARABLE TO THEM.

Jesus answering them with Scriptures wasn't what made they mad. It was the parables that anger them the most.

I think you need to read your Bible some more before you make a opinion.
---Nikki on 6/7/13


Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.



Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.




---jerry6593 on 6/7/13


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//I've had experiences where my ability to reason from the scriptures could not fully search a matter, you see were relying on our ability to reason things //
Pharisse

Good point Sola scripture does not mean ONLY scripture but means that a good balance of scripture, practical application, church history, and teaching from others does not conflict or go against the Holy Bible.
---Scott1 on 6/7/13


Sola Scriptora is defined in my understanding by all doctrines of the Church must agree with all scripture on that topic. That no doctrines of the church can contidict scripture.

We can have traditions and practices that apply to today. But they do not tells us what is truth.

Dear willie c good point. Thank you.

I do find the teaching of Sola Scriptora is in the Bible. We must use scripture to judge what is true like the Bereans did. Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/7/13


Francis, you make good points. Maybe Sola Scriptura didn't apply in ancient times.
---Love.wins on 6/6/13


--Love.wins on 6/6/13
Here is the wiki definition which I agree with
Sola scriptura "by scripture alone") is the doctrine that the Bible contains all knowledge necessary for salvation and holiness.


By: Kenneth R. Samples
Sola Scriptura- A DefinitionBy sola Scriptura Protestants mean that Scripture alone is the primary and absolute source for all doctrine and practice
This one id do not agree with on the practice side

Then what scripture were the apostles following for the practice of ordaining deacons,

What scripture do we have for youth, men, children, and women's ministries?

What do we do when your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams Acts 2:17
---francis on 6/6/13


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Seg, yes, interesting point!
---Love.wins on 6/6/13


Mar_13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

Luk_12:12 For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.

Joh_14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Act_2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Sola Scriptura??
Peace
---TheSeg on 6/6/13


Francis, I am interested in how other people define Sola Scriptura, both those who hold to it, and those who don't...
---Love.wins on 6/6/13


HHMM sems like there is no one definition of Sola Scriptura. Maybe that is why there are so many view

To me it means scripture ( that which is in the bible only
---francis on 6/6/13


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Sola Scriptura can be the idea that we are not obligated to believe or do anything that is not in the Bible. This started when certain people got out of the Roman Catholic group, and they were saying their authority for leaving Romans Catholicism was that the Roman church was requiring things that are not required by the Bible. They said the Roman Catholic leaders were making up what the Bible doesn't require, and therefore they were free to leave the Roman Catholic leadership.

"Test all things, hold fast what is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21) So, yes, we are not obligated to go along with however a leader is wrong. We are told to test.
---willie_c: on 6/6/13


Nikki, the very reason sola scriptura was introduced to the teaching of Scripture was for the exact reason you quoted, You say,
"You are correct. Sola Scriptura isn't in the Bible. In fact the Bible, Paul states hold on to tradition by word or written."
Sola Scripture is a teaching tool, that Scripture interpret's Scripture, the reason it is not found in the Bible. And when Paul states to hold on to tradition, it is by the word already written, not the Roman Catholic Church traditions they have imposed on members. Those not found in Scripture. And let me say there are many false traditions not in Scripture.

---Mark_V. on 6/6/13


I'm going to suggest that modern Christians have lost their way. That what is intended to lead us is not scripture but the Spirit that first breathed it out.

I've had experiences where my ability to reason from the scriptures could not fully search a matter, you see were relying on our ability to reason things and to understand. Our abilities are worthless compared to the way God sees things and the way he speaks. He still speaks and if we learn to obey what we already know we can begin to hear him and follow Christ.
---Pharisee on 6/6/13


Since many say we don't have a perfect Bible, why do they refer to it as "God's word"?
God said He would preserve His Word, where did He preserve it, if not the KJV?
Knowing that the Holy Spirit is the greatest Teacher (John 16:12-15, I John 2:27), who taught you that the KJV was not infallible, the Holy Spirit or man?
---michael_e on 6/6/13


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Well, if Sola Scriptura is true, how then do these many churches have mens ministry, womens ministy, youth ministry.

maybe lovewins needs to define
Sola Scriptura so that we are all onthe same page, talking about the same thing
---francis on 6/6/13


You are correct. Sola Scriptura isn't in the Bible. In fact the Bible, Paul states hold on to tradition by word or written.

Not even the Jewish people believed in Sola Torah. They kept their traditions and laws not even in the Torah.
Nikki

By word or written. So you take words written 1000 years after the Bible to be above what you just say is what the Apostles said. You disregard their written word.

Yes the Jews replaced the Tanak with Tradition. Which is one of the reasons they rejected JESUS. Because JESUS answered with Scripture and it is written. But they had their traditions which replaced scriptures. So when you do not follow sola scriptora you are indeed following the Jews. But I follow JESUS.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/6/13


1Cr 4:6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and [to] Apollos for your sakes, that ye might learn in us not to think [of men] above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.

So we have here today and before Luther men who puffed themselves up above what is written and replaced the Bible with their teachings following the pattern of the Jews and their traditions.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.

Deu 13:4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/6/13


Sola Scriptura, would actually not be true.
If not for God's inspiration!

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Without God's inspiration, who is going to understand scripture?
If you don't believe in what you are reading, what good is it to you?

Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

Everything comes from God.
Sola Scriptura sine in pater filius spiritus sanctus, Deus. Est nequam!
That's how I believe it's not only applies, but is fact!
Peace
---TheSeg on 6/6/13


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Luther was the first to teach Sola Scriptura.

The trouble, however, was that Scripture itself disagreed with his pet doctrines.

His way around that was to say that certain books of the Bible, such as Esther and James, weren't really canonical Scripture.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/6/13


Seg, I'm not sure how that applies, but it's a good scripture passage.
---Love.wins on 6/6/13


Sola Scriptura is not in the bible at all
while the bible is the word of God, the word of God is not limited to the bible only.
There are many prophets in the bible, who do not have a single word of scripture noted among the prophets.

God has always from time to time as he sees fit, call for himself, and his people a prophet

There are many things which the church does, that is not commanded by God

One example would be the ordination of the deacons ( table waiters) in the NT

There is no command by God to do such a thing, yet the apostle did it

The important this here is this DO not violate the word of God, whether written or by prophet unwritten
---francis on 6/6/13


You are correct. Sola Scriptura isn't in the Bible. In fact the Bible, Paul states hold on to tradition by word or written.

Not even the Jewish people believed in Sola Torah. They kept their traditions and laws not even in the Torah.

Sola Scriptura arrived 500 years ago and 1500 years after Jesus rose.
---Nikki on 6/6/13


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l.w.: Of course Sola Scriptura is not in the Bible because the Bible was not written in Latin. However, the concept is most certainly there, as:

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

and,

Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.


---jerry6593 on 6/6/13


Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them, for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse:

Even without
Peace
---TheSeg on 6/5/13


Let me know what you think...
---Love.wins on 6/5/13


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