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Mark Of The Beast

What will the Mark of the Beast entail?

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Again,
Saturday is the 7th day of the week whose compound/name was borrowed from the title/word Saturnus/Saturn. Saturn was/is a Roman god of agriculture and the supposed father of Jupiter. A Saturnian/saturday worshiper, what you claim to be, is influenced by the planet Saturn.
Saturniid is the daughter of the god Saturn.
Jupiter was married to Juno who was the queen of heaven.
He was worshipped as the chief Roman god of light, the sky, weather, the state, its welfare and laws.
---Elder on 6/15/13


Gordon:

Why do you keep insisting that Sunday worship be necessarily equated with the Antichrist? Do you have any personal knowledge about him that the Bible omits?

There is nothing in the prophecies that says anything about SUNDAY worship. And since nobody as of yet is FORCED to do anything to buy or sell, the Beast has not yet been revealed.

He may just as well switch worship to Tuesdays. Or perhaps institute a 10-day week (as they tried to do briefly after the French Revolution, with disastrous results). These would fit the prophecy too. So why fixate on Sunday?
---StrongAxe on 6/14/13


Gordon maybe you should state what you think I was implying. I'd like to see how close you are.
When Jesus quoted the commandments in the New Testament why did He leave out the sabbath one?
Also while you are at it please help Francis answer the question I asked him.
---Elder on 6/14/13


francis:

Certain Catholics can choose to say and think what they want, as can people of any other religious persuasion (including Seventh Day Adventists). This has no bearing on what the U.S. Government ACTUALLY does. Unless they can convince 2/3 Congress and 2/3 of the states to make such a change to the constitution, "it ain't gonna happen".
---StrongAxe on 6/14/13


Elder, I know what you're implying. Just as I said I did.

The time zones were another point.

All one has to do is go to EXODUS Chapter 20, Verses 8 thru 11. It states right there, short form, what GOD expects, concerning HIS people and HIS Sabbath.

Do you want me to quote those Verses for you here?

Or will you take the time to read them for yourself?

There are people of GOD who actually and truly observe HIS Sabbath, just as HE commands.

Any more excuses for reject GOD's true Sabbath to continue on with observing the Anti-Christ's future worship day of Sunday?
---Gordon on 6/14/13




StrongAxe
The national Catholic journal, _Catholic_Twin_Circle_, "All Americans would do well to petition the President and the Congress to make a Federal law - an amendment to the, Constitution if need be - to re-establish the Sabbath [meaning Sunday] as a national Day of Rest."

Resolved that the Sabbath (Sunday) is a sign between God and man, and its reverent observance a mark of the nation whose God is Jehovah." (National Reform Convention, Sept. 1887.

We shall agitate until no Congressman who cares to stay in Congress will dare refuse to vote for our measures. . . Seventh-day Adventists and the Jews. . . will have to conform to the laws if we succeed." (Philadelphia PUBLIC LEDGER, Nov. 20, 1920
---Francis on 6/14/13


\\Really
Go to CCA web site
review Lord's day aliance
---francis on 6/14/13
\\

And this proves your twice told lie about the Council of Laodicea just how, francis?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/14/13


francis:

You said: Go to CCA web site
review Lord's day aliance


Which CCA are you referring to? Surely not the correctional facilities? That's the top listing. But if you mean someone else, please use a name, not an abbreviation.

I found something about "Lord's Day Alliance" but there's a vast difference between a bunch of people hoping to lobby a government into imposing religion, and that government's ACTUALLY imposing religion. If I want information about what a government is doing, I'll check the government or a news site, not some partisan lobbyists.

Do you have anything official?
---StrongAxe on 6/14/13


francis, your rendering of Rev 13:14 is lame at best. It doesn't even apply to what you are trying to say.
Do you even know what a miracle is?
Saturday is the 7th day of the week whose compound/name was borrowed from the title/word Saturnus/Saturn. Saturn was/is a Roman god of agriculture and the supposed father of Jupiter. A Saturnian/saturday worshiper, what you claim to be, is influenced by the planet Saturn.
Saturniid is the daughter of the god Saturn.
Jupiter was married to Juno who was the queen of heaven.
He was worshipped as the chief Roman god of light, the sky, weather, the state, its welfare and laws.
Now tell us who is worshiping on a pagan day.
---Elder on 6/14/13


Revelation 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by [the means of] those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast, saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

The church...took the pagan Sunday and made it the Christian Sunday.... The Sun was a foremost god with heathendom.... And thus the pagan Sunday, dedicated to Balder, became the Christian Sunday." (Dr. William L. Gildea, The Catholic World , March, 1894)
"They [the Protestants] deem it their duty to keep the Sunday holy. Why? Because the Catholic Church tells them to do so." (Walter Drum, Catholic priest, Ecclesiastical Review, February, 1914)
---francis on 6/14/13




Can you find any evidence that the government now is trying to force Sunday worship down people's throats?
---StrongAxe on 6/14/13

Really
Go to CCA web site
review Lord's day aliance
---francis on 6/14/13


Gordon you don't know what I am implying. I am not speaking of time zones or the time of day.
I am flat out saying that "Sabbath/Saturday" keepers do not keep the sabbath. They go through the motions like they do but they don't follow the sabbath laws. I have never spoke to one who did.
Do you even know the sabbath laws. I think not.
The Scripture also says that one who esteems one day above the next is weak in the faith. Seems like that fits the sabbath "keepers" very well.
---Elder on 6/14/13


francis:

You said: In 1610, the first Sunday law in America...

You are right to say America and not United States of America, because the United States did not exist yet, and neither did the First Amendment, prohibiting state-mandated religion. What happened before 1776 has little to no bearing on laws now.

Can you find any evidence that the government now is trying to force Sunday worship down people's throats? If so, please cite references. From what I have observed over the past several decades is that, quite to the contrary, many traditional Sunday customs (closed businesses, alcohol restrictions, etc.) have been slowly eroding away - the opposite of what you have been suggesting.
---StrongAxe on 6/14/13


The scary thing is thatis it unsuspecting christains who are pushing for this mark of the beast:
first by crying down seperationof churchand state
second by involving the various levl of Government in spiritual and religious matters.

We, as christains are constantly in courts fighting for the rights to observe none biblical holy days such as easter and christmas, national day of pray, and our local GIVEernment are trying place a solemnity on sunday that does not appear in scripture
---francis on 6/14/13


Elder, I know what you're implying.

But, the Sabbath is from Friday-sundown until Saturday-sundown. At whatever location one is on this Planet.

You're attempting to justify Sunday observance and the rejection of GOD's 7th-Day Sabbath on a technicality.

GOD holds each one of accountable for what we know.

You know the truth?

Then, live it.

GOD will hold you accountable for it when you stand before HIM one day.
---Gordon on 6/14/13


\\and for the third to suffer death."\\

And this does not prove the lie you keep repeating about the Council of Laodicea.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/14/13


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Francis, you just told me the government is going force religion on us. Actually I'm not surprised.
---shira4368 on 6/14/13


In 1610, the first Sunday law in America, in Virginia, required: "Every man and woman shall repair in the morning to the divine service and sermons preached upon the Sabbath (Sunday), and in the afternoon to divine service, and catechizing, upon pain for the first fault to lose their provision and the allowance for the whole week following, for the second, to lose the said allowance and also be whipped, and for the third to suffer death." !!! _Laws_and_Orders,__Divine,_ _Politique,_and_Martial,_for_the_Colony_in_Virginia: first established by Sir Thomas Gates, knight, Lieutenant - General, the 24th of May, 1610.

The mechanism is alrteady in place: The White House Office of Faith-based and Neighborhood Partnerships
---francis on 6/14/13


\\but history says different
364 Council of Laodicea decrees death for Christians who keep 7th day Sabbath\\

The first time you said this, it was a lie, and it still IS a lie, francis.

You boast that the SDA "keep the commandments of God," but the commandment about not bearing false witness against others apparently is meaningless.

"Anathema" never meant "execution."

And you've STILL not said what countries are forced to worship on Sunday, and just how Sunday worship is a mark on the hand or forehead.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/13/13


The Mark of the Beast will entail following men and traditions by turning from GOD and the Bible as our authority. It will involve hatred of those who do not go along with the majority.

They will talk love but act in hate.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/13/13


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Gordon
Ahhh.... Gordon, so you are an end to yourself. The complete authority is you.... I think not.
You still didn't answer the second question, "is it because close is good enough for the sabbath saturday non-jewish law keepers?"
With you it is probably so.
You don't keep the sabbath laws so don't pretend that you do.
---Elder on 6/13/13


francis:

If you are suggesting that people living under the Council of Laodicea were living under the Mark of the Beast, how do you explain the fact that we are no longer doing so, since the Beast would rule the entire world, until destroyed by Jesus when he returned? Or do you believe he returned sometime in the past (under a low profile) and eliminated the Beast, since we are no longer subject to the same restrictions, and then left again?

No matter how you slice it, the idea that Laodicea equals beast is full of logical contradictions.
---StrongAxe on 6/13/13


And just which nations have been totally preventing from buying and selling because they don't worship on Sunday? Please be specific.
---Cluny on 6/13/13
your question suggests that if it has never happened before it willnot ever happen

but history says different
364 Council of Laodicea decrees death for Christians who keep 7th day Sabbath

"Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday, but shall work on that day, but the Lords Day they shall especially honor, and, as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If, however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out from Christ." Catholic Church Council in Laodicea, 364AD, Canon 29.
---francis on 6/13/13


In 1610, the first Sunday law in America, in Virginia, required: "Every man and woman shall repair in the morning to the divine service and sermons preached upon the Sabbath (Sunday), and in the afternoon to divine service, and catechizing, upon pain for the first fault to lose their provision and the allowance for the whole week following, for the second, to lose the said allowance and also be whipped, and for the third to suffer death." !!! _Laws_and_Orders,__Divine,_ _Politique,_and_Martial,_for_the_Colony_in_Virginia: first established by Sir Thomas Gates, knight, Lieutenant - General, the 24th of May, 1610.
---francis on 6/13/13


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In 1610, the first Sunday law in America, in Virginia, required: "Every man and woman shall repair in the morning to the divine service and sermons preached upon the Sabbath (Sunday), and in the afternoon to divine service, and catechizing, upon pain for the first fault to lose their provision and the allowance for the whole week following, for the second, to lose the said allowance and also be whipped, and for the third to suffer death." !!! _Laws_and_Orders,__Divine,_ _Politique,_and_Martial,_for_the_Colony_in_Virginia: first established by Sir Thomas Gates, knight, Lieutenant - General, the 24th of May, 1610.
---francis on 6/13/13


SDAs and other neo-galatians who think they are just a little more special with God because of keeping the Saturday sabbath will learn that their Babylonian house of cards will be left to them desolate when the finished mystery is revealed.

**Which nation has the most embargoes against other nations prevent entire nations from buying and selling**

And just which nations have been totally preventing from buying and selling because they don't worship on Sunday? Please be specific.

And just how is worship on Sunday a mark in the hand or forehead?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/13/13


There is currently no kingdom that has conquered ALL other kingdoms, and there is no indication that any nation on earth has the power to do this any time soon.
---StrongAxe on 6/13/13

I wish this were true
But which nation is currently the leader of the free world, and seeking to make more nations " free"
Which nation has the most embargoes against other nations prevent entire nations from buying and selling
which nations speaks more about peace, yet is the leading nation in war to date
---francis on 6/13/13


if we look back at the sundays, we can remember when all the stores close, no groceries, no alcohol and no nothing. now, on sunday, you can buy your alcohol, food and anything you need. the world has ceased to honor sunday.
---shira4368 on 6/13/13


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\\During Sunday Law, it will the mandated day to worship the Anti-Christ.
---Gordon on 6/13/13\\

Some may do that.

But I shall worship JESUS Christ every day of the week.

And the Sabbath commandment as originally given had NOTHING to do with worship. It was rather an enforced rest from labor that extended even to one's servants, slaves, and farm animals.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/13/13


\\Somehow and in someway the day of Sunday will be made into a Law. A real Law that all the Earth will have to honour and abide by or suffer the consequences.\\

That's one of the paranoid delusions of Ellen Gould White, whose name adds up to 666.

\\The Vatican is pushing for Global Sunday Law\\

Documentation, please.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/13/13


..For it is only in this way that the faithful will understand why it is Sunday and not the Sabbath day that we now keep holy." (Roman Catechism, 1985
HHHMM and what should the " civil authorities" do when people choose to keep sabbath rather than sunday:---francis on 6/13/13

Nothing, but I don't know where you got that quote from, because it isn't from the CCC.
CCC: Catechism of the Catholic Church

RCC's CCC 1985 states
The New Law is a law of love, a law of grace, a law of freedom.

Your Roman Catechism 1985 isn't the RCC's CCC.
---Nikki on 6/13/13


francis:

There is currently no kingdom that has conquered ALL other kingdoms, and there is no indication that any nation on earth has the power to do this any time soon. So naming any existing country or organization. in that role is pure presumption and presupposition.


Gordon:

Regardless of what day people observe now (which you should not sweat - Colossians 2:16, Romans 14:5), this has nothing to do with the Mark of the Beast unless this is FORCED upon EVERYONE. As above, there is no nation or power capable of doing so. There used to be Sunday laws everywhere, but those have been DECREASING over time, rather than increasing. Try again.
---StrongAxe on 6/13/13


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Somehow and in someway the day of Sunday will be made into a Law. A real Law that all the Earth will have to honour and abide by or suffer the consequences.

The Vatican is pushing for Global Sunday Law.

The SEVEN NOAHIDE LAWS will be activated at the "right time". And will have everything to do in relation to Sunday Law, the Mark of the Beast, and true 7th-Day Sabbath observance.

During Sunday Law, it will the mandated day to worship the Anti-Christ.
---Gordon on 6/13/13


"The civil authorities should be urged to cooperate with the church in maintaining and strengthening this public worship of God, and to support with their own authority the regulations set down by the church's pastors. For it is only in this way that the faithful will understand why it is Sunday and not the Sabbath day that we now keep holy." (Roman Catechism, 1985

HHHMM and what should the " civil authorities" do when people choose to keep sabbath rather than sunday:

Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
---francis on 6/13/13


Elder, LOL.

It's not so because "I say so".

I say so because it IS so.
---Gordon on 6/13/13


\\Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. \\

And since Christ fulfilled ALL the law, it has ALL passed away.

OTOH, if the law has not passed away, then Christ did not fulfill it and we are still in our sins.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/13/13


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Daniel 7:23 The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, ..And he shall think to change times and laws:

"The church...took the pagan Sunday and made it the Christian Sunday.... The Sun was a foremost god with heathendom.... And thus the pagan Sunday, dedicated to Balder, became the Christian Sunday." (Dr. William L. Gildea, The Catholic World , March, 1894)
"They [the Protestants] deem it their duty to keep the Sunday holy. Why? Because the Catholic Church tells them to do so." (Walter Drum, Catholic priest, Ecclesiastical Review, February, 1914)

Rev 17:2 the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
---francis on 6/13/13


Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, ..And he shall think to change times and laws:


Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

This is the clearest distinction between those who worship God, and those who worship the beast
---francis on 6/12/13


364 AD Council of Laodicea had 60 canons. (laws to follow)
The only canon speaking about the Sabbath is Canon 29:

Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day, and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.

Anathema means to be ex-communicated from Christ.

Not physical dead by killings, but soul dead.
---Nikki on 6/12/13


"Regardless, the Sabbath observers are still a far-cry closer to the true Worship Day than the Sunday Church."
Gordon
Why? Is it because you say so? Or, is it because close is good enough for the sabbath saturday non-jewish law keepers?
---Elder on 6/12/13


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364 AD Council of Laodicea decrees death for Christians who keep 7th day Sabbath (\-francis on 6/9/13 \\

Why did you tell this lie, francis?
---Cluny on 6/11/13
That is not a lie
look up: chronolgy of christianity
Church history
History of Sabbath
History of sunday
was orthodoxy around at that time?
---francis on 6/12/13


Elder, Regardless, the Sabbath observers who observe it from Friday-sundown to Saturday-sundown are still a far-cry closer to the true Worship Day than the Sunday Church.
---Gordon on 6/12/13


The Mark of the Beast is the number of a man not a day of the week.
Those who claim to keep the sabbath day don't do it according to the law of the Bible anyway. So they are not keeping the sabbath as they claim.
---Elder on 6/12/13


\\**\364 AD Council of Laodicea decrees death for Christians who keep 7th day Sabbath (\-francis on 6/9/13 \\

Why did you tell this lie, francis?

NONE of the Ecumenical canons recognized by Orthodoxy EVER prescribed the death penalty.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/11/13


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StrongAxe on 6/10/13
see daniel 7
---francis on 6/11/13


StrongAxe, I'm a Messianic Christian and a 7th-Day Sabbath observer. I attend a local SDA Church for fellowship and worship, (it's the only kind of Sabbath observing Church in my town), but I don't agree with all of the SDA's understandings of the End Times. But, the SDA does have this much understanding, unlike the regular Sunday Churches, in that, the 7th-Day Sabbath AND Sunday will both play a big part in the End Times and with the Anti-Christ. I don't believe that Sunday will be the Mark of the Beast, in and of itself. But, that Sunday will instituted by "Law" where all the World will worship the Beast on Sunday. And, that, at these Sunday, Satanic churches is where the Beast's Mark will be distributed. One of the places, at least.
---Gordon on 6/11/13


StrongAxe, GOD established the 7th Day as HIS holy week-day, see GENESIS 2:2-3 and EXODUS 20:8-11. In the Book of ACTS, the 7th-Day Sabbath continued to be observed by the Church AFTER the Resurrection of Yahushua. The 7th-Day was observed by the whole Church which contained both Jewish AND Gentile Believers in Yahushua. Nowhere does GOD Himself indicate, in HIS Written Word, any "change" from the 7th-Day to Sunday.

Satan is behind the Sabbath switch-over.

That is because Satan will use Sunday as the official worship day of the Anti-Christ.

All this has been confirmed through GOD's true modern Prophets and Teachers, for our own understanding, in these End Times.

EPHESIANS 4:11-12 and I CORINTHIANS 14.
---Gordon on 6/11/13


**\364 AD Council of Laodicea decrees death for Christians who keep 7th day Sabbath (\-francis on 6/9/13
Canon 29 Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day, and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.
...---micha9344 on 6/10/13**

None of the Ecumenical Canons prescribed the death penalty.

In fact, it was around 500 that the first execution of a heretic ordered by secular authority happened. Almost all the Christian bishops reacted in horror, saying that this could not be forgiven.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/10/13


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francis and Gordon:

Revelation mentions very specific things associated with the Mark of the Beast: namely, that nobody would be able to buy or sell without it. You may conjecture all you like about changes of days of worship, but unless any particular law (whether sacred or secular) totally forbids you from being able to buy or sell anything unless you receive some kind of marker (whether tattoo or implant or credit card, etc.) it CANNOT be the Mark of the Beast spoken of in Revelation.
---StrongAxe on 6/10/13


micha9344 on 6/10/13
read chronology of Christainity
---francis on 6/10/13


\\It had to be more than 2 decades. Birmingham, Phenix City (outside of Columbus Ga but in Alabama), and Mobile were wet countries for more than 50 years.\\

Jefferson County--my home county--has ALWAYS been wet, as opposed to Shelby County.

However, alcohol sales were STILL banned on Sunday throughout Alabama as long as I lived there.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/10/13


\364 AD Council of Laodicea decrees death for Christians who keep 7th day Sabbath (\-francis on 6/9/13
Canon 29 Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day, and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.
More lies from francis to promote false doctrines from a false prophetess.
---micha9344 on 6/10/13


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Mark of the Beast = An alien-chip implant, a tattoo, and an allegience to the worship day of Sunday. Maybe?
---Gordon on 6/10/13


The reason behind the Sunday law is that the majority of American, and people in the world are deceived into believing that Sunday is a holy, blessed and sacred day. They have forgotten when God said to remember: the 7th day which is the Sabbath, the holy of the lord blessed, hallowed and sanctified.

Where did such a deception come from: NOT from Jesus or his apostles:
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Those changes are the mark of the beast:
Daniel 7:23 The fourth beast shall..think to change times and laws:
---francis on 6/10/13


When I left Alabama, that was in fact the case.---Cluny on 6/9/13

It had to be more than 2 decades. Birmingham, Phenix City (outside of Columbus Ga but in Alabama), and Mobile were wet countries for more than 50 years.

My Mother told me stories when she was a girl of people after midnight in Ga, crossing the state line into Phenix city for another hour of drinking.
(no sale of alcohol after midnight)
She is 65 years old now.
Ga is in Eastern standard time. Alabama is in Central time.
Phenix city became Eastern time 30 years ago.

I think people assume Alabama is a backwards state.

Country boys believe in their liquor.
Ever heard of the song by Hank William Jr.- 'Country boy can survive'?
---Nikki on 6/9/13


\\Francis, there isn't any state that prohibit the sell of alcohol on Sundays. \\

When I left Alabama, that was in fact the case.

Of course, things might have changed in the last 2 decades.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/9/13


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321 AD Constantine decrees Sunday as offical Roman-Christian day of rest

364 AD Council of Laodicea decrees death for Christians who keep 7th day Sabbath (

They did not need a microchip to identify those who were keeping the sabbath

So put aside the idea of microchip, and think SPIRITUALLY

How do you identify Gods people: Ezekiel 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths, and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God.
---francis on 6/9/13


Cluny, The true followers of GOD, including the SDA, all know, believe and follow the GOD's Greatest Commandments, MATTHEW 22:36-40. Within these two Greatest of Commandments are the Ten Commandments, as laid out in EXODUS 20. The 613 Mosaic Laws, on the other hand were the Laws "nailed to the Cross". 'Though within the 613 are ones like unto the 10, okay?

But, GOD only expects HIS people to follow the 2 Greatest which contain the 10.


And, the Mark of the Beast will have EVERYTHING to do with the 4th Commandment of the 7th-Day Sabbath.
---Gordon on 6/9/13


what I am pointing out in those post are these
1: God people are marked by his laws, he will put his laws in their minds and heart
2: The sign that God has given to all his people so that they will know that he is God is the Sabbath
3: God did not require any tatos, or microchip to give a mark to his people
4: The fourth beast will try to change the times and laws of God
5: The mark of the beast is accepting the attempted changes made by the beast over
the law of God
---francis on 6/9/13


//United States
Many states prohibit selling alcohol for on and off-premise sales in one form or another on Sundays at some restricted time//

Francis, there isn't any state that prohibit the sell of alcohol on Sundays.

There are some counties in States that prohibit the sell or restrict the sell.
That is according to the vote of the people.
My mother's town was a dry(no alcohol sales) county until 3 years ago. It became wet (alcohol sales) when the people voted it wet.

I can't buy alcohol in one county, but less than 1 block away into the next county I can buy all the alcohol I wish. (but after 12 pm as you cited. I guess they think I should be finished with church services)
---Nikki on 6/9/13


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-StrongAxe on 6/8/13
WHAT?!
Do you think I am writing about alcohol sale on sundays?
Do you think these blue laws are about alcohol sale on sundays?

strongAxe, you are smarter than that
---francis on 6/9/13


\\Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.\\

The point is, the SDA is VERY selective about which commandments of God they keep.

At least, this is the impression I get from posts given by SDAs here.

If a given commandment of God is not in the Decalogue, it gets dismissed as one merely by Moses, even if preceded by "Thus says the Lord," or similar words.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/9/13


francis:

Unless you can demonstrate that people are prohibited from buying alcohol on Sunday unless they receive a tattoo that lets them do so, your point about alcohol sales has nothing to do with the Mark of the Beast.
---StrongAxe on 6/8/13


Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

Revelation 13:2 And the beast ...the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

In these last days, Satan empowers the beast to enforce a change in God's laws. and that is the mark of the beast

NO MICROCHIP REQUIRED
---francis on 6/8/13


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\\321 AD Constantine decrees Sunday as offical Roman-Christian day of rest\\

You don't actually think that Christians weren't gathering for the Eucharist on Sunday BEFORE this, do you?

And not all the citizens of the Empire were Christians at that point. Christianity did not become the state religion until 75 years later under Theodosius.

\\United States
Many states prohibit selling alcohol for on and off-premise sales in one form or another on Sundays at some restricted time, under the idea that people should be in church on Sunday morning, or at least not drinking\\

So you are FOR the unlimited sale of alcoholic beverages on Sunday?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/8/13


Lets take a walk back in History. Our background:

Daniel 7:23 The fourth beast shall..think to change times and laws:

321 AD Constantine decrees Sunday as offical Roman-Christian day of rest

364 AD Council of Laodicea decrees death for Christians who keep 7th day Sabbath ( no microchip required)

Canada
The Lord's Day Act, which since 1906 had prohibited business transactions from taking place on Sundays, was declared unconstitutional in the 1985

United States
Many states prohibit selling alcohol for on and off-premise sales in one form or another on Sundays at some restricted time, under the idea that people should be in church on Sunday morning, or at least not drinking

NO microchip needed,
---francis on 6/8/13


Notice how God's people have a sign that identifies them, without the use of any microchip

Exodus 31:13 Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Ezekiel 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths, and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.

Revelation 14:7 worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Revelation 14:9 If any man worship the beast and his image,...

The mark of the beast is thus CONTRARY to the sign of God (who made heaven and earth) the sabbath
---francis on 6/8/13


Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey,

This is the basis of the mark of the best, and the mark / sign of God

It is all about obedience

Hebrews 10:16 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them,
---francis on 6/7/13


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It won't entail a mistake we've made, taking it is damnable. If your afraid of the mark of the beast you better get back to square one with God and be found with his mark, obeying his every word and command to our spirit.

If your walking in his love that bestial mark has no place with you and you'll naturally resist it whatever it turns out to be.
---Pharisee on 6/7/13


The mark of the Beast involves above all things who do we worship.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/7/13


It doesn't say. I can see there would be an outward mark which could be seen from a distance. And you would be required not to cover where it would be, on your hand or forehead. Both would be required to be exposed, always, around other people so they would know if you have it.

What really is entailed is what in us would make us able to accept the mark. If we depend on money, if we care about our own lives > "He who loves his life will lose it," Jesus says, in John 12:25. We all need to get stronger, so we would not accept the mark.
---willie_c: on 6/7/13


The mark of the beast will not be and outward sign or symbol. It will be an inward compliance & subjugation to the worldly powers that be, advocating a departure from faith in the salvation of an invisible God & waking up to the object reality of the salvation being offered through their system & the head of that system the "so called true messiah". However, It may very well involve some type of outward sign that documents the mindset, attitude & means of those supporting the concept.
---Josef on 6/7/13


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It is very likely the biological micro-chip that has been developed(in the USA). It is as small as a grain of rice. It can stay in the body without using external batteries but it can only stay in the 2 places mentioned in Rev.13:16.
---Adetunji on 6/7/13


MARK OF GOD

Exodus 31:13 Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

MARK OF BEAST

Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall ... think to change times and laws:
---francis on 6/6/13


If Revelation 13 is any indication, it has to do with buying and selling--in other words, commercial transactions.

it has NOTHING to do with what day or days one worships.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/6/13


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