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What Is God's Will

What does the Holy Bible mean when it speaks of GOD's "Will"? Is GOD's Will HIS "Plan" or is it HIS "Desire"? Or, is it actually one or the other, depending on the context?

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Kathr, talk about twisting verses,
"TODAY, Christ is OUR LAND." You say Christ is our land, No, He is our Savior. You make up some twisted stuff.
Then say,

"We ALSO see how God works THEN AND NOW. The LAND was the GIFT. We also see FAITH WAS NOT. For if Faith was the Gift as Markv says," That is why you do not believe the Truth, cause faith has not come to you. You cannot hear, for hearing comes by the Word of God.
Then say, "ALL would have entered in without question. " No free will " would have kept anyone from entering. The land was GIVEN TO ALL OF THEM." don't you know how rediculous you sound? Everyone has the land, everyone has Christ. The garbish you make up.
---Mark_V. on 8/10/13


So, MarkV, when Scripture says we are made in the image of God, what exactly does that mean?
---Marc on 8/10/13


Elder, Markv just threw you Philosophy and vein deceit, using Calvin's definition of words. Of coarse they have to define free will their own way in order to establish their false doctrine.

I believe Elder has chosen to BELIEVE GOD, based solely on the WORD OF GOD, comparing scripture with scripture, taking in the WHOLE COUNCIL of God, and not just picking and choosing verses that appeal to his pride.

And Elder, like many here KNOW we first heard the Gospel, according to scripture, received the truth, according to scripture and THEN our faith/belief at taking God at His Word resulted in our Born Again Life in the Risen Christ...according to scripture.
---kathr4453 on 8/10/13


Hebrews 11:13
These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Might want to examine the definition of "persuaded". And read ALL scripture using the word PERSUADED.
---kathr4453 on 8/10/13


"Freedom of humans to make choices that are not determined by prior causes or by divine intervention""
Mark

Right!
From a biblical standpoint Freedom = Liberty and/or political rights afforded to citizenship, liberation from restraint or the power of another and or the right to choose.
The Bible uses the word freewill over 15 times. It's rendered, freely offered without force. It deals with motive and spirit.
It is the ability to choose between alternatives creatively determined by the conscious subject.
So, Mark were you unconscious when you "got saved?"
Is God threatened by my choice of freewill or is He really Sovern?
Strange but true we don't see the word Sovern used at all in the Bible.
---Elder on 8/10/13




Elder, you say,
"Well, either you lie then or now Mark. You claim we don't have a free will so how could anyone or I be free to reject the truth?
Making a choice does not mean you have a will that is free. It only means you made a choice. No one held a gun to your head. But the choice you made has a cause behind it. You have believed a lie, so your refuse the Truth. Here is the definition of free will,
"Freedom of humans to make choices that are not determined by prior causes or by divine intervention"
Your decision to reject had a prior cause. Your will was not free when you made that choice. If God gave free will to all humans, they would be autonomous. Only God is Autonomous. And humans are not Gods.
---Mark_V. on 8/9/13


Being brought NEAR is not the same as being brought IN. . So your argument is still lacking MarkV. Just like Israel was brought NEAR the Promised Land, they BY FAITH had to enter IN. You see God did not just bring them IN without any faith on their part. You see what happened because there was no faith on THEIR PART. God already promised and gave them the Land, why not also, according to you, give them that FAITH to enter in?

Answer, FAITH takes OBEDIENCE on our part....Romans 16: 25-26 clarify so.

Now if God promised Gentiles the Land TOO, He would do the same, bring them NEAR, and then tell them to go over. THEIR FAITH in His promise is WHY they, whosoever will, would go over to ENTER IN the promise.
---kathr4453 on 8/9/13


#2. We have in Hebrews 3-4 the parallel of the promised land, re entering in as a type/shadow to salvation, paralleled with Ephesians. TODAY, Christ is OUR LAND.

We ALSO see how God works THEN AND NOW. The LAND was the GIFT. We also see FAITH WAS NOT. For if Faith was the Gift as Markv says, ALL would have entered in without question. " No free will " would have kept anyone from entering. The land was GIVEN TO ALL OF THEM.

Just as Salvation is OFFERED to all of us, Jew and Gentile. To the JEW first, and then to the Gentile. Through the BLOOD of the EVERLASTING COVENANT. Hebrews 13: 24-25.

But just as we see in this parallel, not all entered. But it was GIVEN to all of them.
---kathr4453 on 8/9/13


"Elder, If you understood the condition of lost man, you would not believe a lie. Your free to reject the Truth."
Mark
Well, either you lie then or now Mark. You claim we don't have a free will so how could anyone or I be free to reject the truth? Your own statements tell on you.
I do accept the truth. That is why I reject most of your statements.
If you would research the questions I asked you the real truth would shine on you like a consuming fire.
You use your freewill to reject and distort what God has said. What disturbs you is there are people here who see through your misapplication of Scripture and your outright lies.
---Elder on 8/9/13


Shira, you say,
"elder was once a lost man so he does understand the condition of the lost." No he doesn't. And you do not understand it either. No one lost seeks after God. Then say,
" I was once a lost woman but I am saved by grace" So far very good, but then say,
" because I chose to go to church and chose to listen to the Holy Spirit that was dealing with my heart."
The only reason you went to church is because God caused you to go to church and listen to the Truth. you continue to want to take credit, anywhere you can find it. If you were depending on God to save you, you already had faith that was given to you by God. Without God's faith you would never seek after God.
---Mark_V. on 8/9/13




I can't believe how MarkV so twisted that verse. Paul talking to Gentiles, as is MarkV a GENTILE. The emphasis is not gentiles being BROUGHT, in comparison to Jews NOT BEING BROUGHT. OR is it?

Did Paul here also say Jews were separated from the Promises, covenants and commonwealth etc and too BROUGHT near by the blood? Did he say Gentiles were saved and approached differently than Jews?

Maybe that is where you and I differ MarkV, you claim the rules for Gentiles are different than for Jews when it comes to Salvation. You are BROUGHT near by the Blood, and I wasn't or I already had Salvation promised to me as a Jew long before you did. Jesus said "Come to me" , and I did, but you had to be dragged/brought???
---kathr4453 on 8/8/13


His Spirit (deity) never died only His human spirit.

---Mark_V. on 8/8/13


AGAIN... OH MY GOODNESS.

So Markv, where do you get that Jesus human spirit died? And why do you say His human Spirit died? Where does scripture say Jesus human spirit died?

This is aweful aweful aweful.
---kathr4453 on 8/8/13


markv, elder was once a lost man so he does understand the condition of the lost. I was once a lost woman but I am saved by grace because I chose to go to church and chose to listen to the Holy Spirit that was dealing with my heart. why do you think Jesus told the diciples to bring the lost in?
---shira4368 on 8/8/13


Elder 2: If you understood the condition of lost man, you would not believe a lie. Your free to reject the Truth.
Here is what the Bible says concerning the conditon of lost man.
"That at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world, but now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have "being brought" near by the blood of Christ" Did you hear that? You were brought, you did not come out of your own free will. You had no Hope, without God. You say they have a hope, their free will. There ability to choose Christ. God says they don't.
Salvation with men is impossible.
---Mark_V. on 8/8/13


Mark, your statements do not come with the truth but is twisted with lies.
Read Gen 4:1-7 about Abel and Cain. God dealt with Cain about his offering and gave him the chance to "do right." Cain refused. Why didn't God force him if you are correct?
Why does Isa 1:18 ask for reason? Why does Jesus ask Come?
Why does Matt 6:33 tell us to seek?
If you were correct instead of corrupt you would understand.
If you would study the Bible and not just google you would learn proper doctrine.
You need to read the book of Malachi and find out why people like you have wearied the Lord.
---Elder on 8/8/13


Mark, that has nothing to do with what I just said.

Nice subject change to avoid the truth staring you right in the face.

You are in my prayers.
---LindaH on 8/8/13


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Elder, why do you not understand? You should. You say,
"You have conflict with everyone on CN because of your misguided false statements."
My false statements come with the facts, the Truth, and even write it down for you.
You know why I have conflict with many? Because most every denomination teachs free will. Siminaries are preaching it, the pulpits the same. Millions of Christians are not Cristians. They have the wrong gospel, a gospel that puts their faith in themselves with their free will, and not in Christ who is God. The Bible tells us it will be worse for those who knew the Truth, yet reject the Truth. The gate to destruction will be very wide. Only a few will go through the gate leading to heaven.
---Mark_V. on 8/8/13


Linda, you also said,
" and even though your body is dead in sin and trespasses, you are quickened together with Christ BY HIS SPIRIT (1 Peter 3:18)!"
Here the passage is talking about Jesus, how He suffered for the unjust, "being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit" His human inner spirit was made alive. Since His flesh was dead for three days. His Spirit (deity) never died only His human spirit.
---Mark_V. on 8/8/13


Mark, you are so lame in your use of others folks statements to you. You are the context eraser after your "14 years of study" of false doctrine, I might add.
You have conflict with everyone on CN because of your misguided false statements.
Since you are so learned and want to attack the verse I used from the Book of John, please tell me what the Book is about. It is called the Gospel of ___________. Fill in the blank "'o wise one."
---Elder on 8/7/13


His plan is all be saved, his desire is the same. He want us all to receive his word but he knows some fig trees will not produce. Mark 4 explains it clearly what people and believers will do with his word.
---Bryan on 8/7/13


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Mark, last time.

""He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given, because that Jesus was not yet glorified()

Straight out of scripture. It IS very true. You deny what is plainly written in scripture to stick with the Calvinist perversion of "truth".

Of course Jesus gave them His Spirit in John 20:22. That was after his resurrection!! Cmon, man! Read the text!

Noone is made "spiritually alive" without having the Holy Spirit of God/Christ.
---LindaH on 8/7/13


Abel showed faith, yet nothing remotely suggests Abel had the Holy Spirit in him. Abel is an heir of righteousness. Abel was also a sinner who's sins were only COVERED by the blood of bulls and goats. He along with all OT only had their sin covered, and that was done on a yearly basis.

SO the Holy Spirit, or Spirit of Christ could not have possible set them FREE from sin. That FREEDON came only after the Cross, not before. None of them were made PERFECT in Christ. If that were possible, then Jesus BLOOD and His death and resurrection was not necessary.

This is not a hateful post MarkV but one in LOVE speaking the truth of Scripture. If perhaps you say it's hateful, you are no different than the Pharisees who hated the truth .
---kathr4453 on 8/7/13


Linda, you say,
"A man with NO HOLY SPIRIT in him can show faith in Christ." Not true. The Spirit of Christ already lives in them. Then say,
...The 12 disciples showed faith in Jesus without having the Holy Spirit in them." The disciples followed Christ is because Christ Himself called them. The reason they could witness the Truth before Pentecost. Before Pentacost, Jesus bestowed the Holy Spirit on His apostles (John 20:22). then say,
"The believers at Ephesus did not receive the Holy Spirit until Paul baptized them and laid hands on them (Acts 19:5,6)" They were already made spiritually alive to God, but didn't understand the indwelling of the Spirit for ministry.
---Mark_V. on 8/7/13


"And if Christ is "in you", the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness"
------------------------------------------------What really makes this verse interesting ,CHRIST IN YOU, is the Gospel according to the MYSTERY. Colossians 1:24-27. Colossians 2 explain how that comes about in our life...being circumcised with the circumcision made WITHOUT HANDS in the putting OFF of the body of sin of the flesh.... again re-iterating Romans 6, crucified with Christ... Colossians 3 :1-4...now explains HOW we live TODAY .....LISTEN

YE ARE DEAD, and your life is hidden with God IN CHRIST, and when Christ, WHO IS YOUR LIFE... Etc.

Oddly, Markv believes this applied to OT saints.
---kathr4453 on 8/7/13


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#2.... And because Markv believes OT saints were Born again the same way, totally under- minds the CROSS, and the PROMISE of the SPIRIT that came to the GENTILES after Jesus death and Resurrection. Paul makes that perfectly clear in Galatians as well. Go back and read it Markv.....what did Paul say had to happen FIRST before the promise of the Spirit could come on the Gentiles.

YOU are "a Gentile", correct MarkV?

So whatever scriptures you may want to use that those in the OT had the Holy Spirit, or however you may want to twist that to be the NEW BIRTH, it is clear, NO GENTILE before the Cross was ever given the Holy Spirit. You will never even see God giving Abraham the Holy Spirit.
---kathr4453 on 8/7/13


Elder, you asked on another blog,
"Oh ye that lacks knowledge of God's ways, here is God's divine ways. What does Rom 10:9-13 say?" The righteousness of faith is speaking( Rom. 10:6) that the word is near them in their mouths and hearts, the word of faith.
Then say, "I am the door, if any man enter in he shall be saved, John 10:9." Jesus said He is the door of the Sheep, those who go through the door will be saved (v. John 10:7).
Then say,
"He that cometh to me I will not cast out, John 6:37." Your using passages out of context every time, good trick:

"All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out"
---Mark_V. on 8/7/13


11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses,

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross,

again, no one is QUICKENED, until AFTER their sin is put away by being crucified with Christ first.
---kathr4453 on 8/7/13


Mark, I didnt say that at all!

Ill try to make this so easy a child can understand it.

A man with NO HOLY SPIRIT in him can show faith in Christ.
How do I know this? It has been proven in scripture. The 12 disciples showed faith in Jesus without having the Holy Spirit in them. The Holy Spirit was not yet given to men (John 7:39). The believers at Ephesus did not receive the Holy Spirit until Paul baptized them and laid hands on them (Acts 19:5,6)

After you believe THEN you receive the Spirit (Eph 1:13) and even though your body is dead in sin and trespasses, you are quickened together with Christ BY HIS SPIRIT (1 Peter 3:18)!

What is so hard to understand?
---LindaH on 8/6/13


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Mark, if you dont understand what I am saying now. I give up.

Scripture proves your "you are saved and that's why you have faith in Christ" theory to be wrong.

YOUR faith in Christ, moves God (because HE promised) to send his Holy Spirit into your heart. When the Holy Spirit comes into your heart you gain the faith OF Christ - your spirit quickened.

Remember what Christ said.... it only takes a mustard seed of faith. God makes that faith grow by his Spirit.

"If any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his"

In other words, anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does NOT belong to him. Noone, before coming to faith in Christ, belongs to Christ. You have believed a lie.
---LindaH on 8/7/13


Even Jesus who first had to die to be raised from the dead, had to die first to be raised up. Romans 6 clearly teach that this same process takes place the same way with those who receive Jesus Christ...WE are raised up from the dead, that being, when we identify with Jesus IN DEATH first.

MarkV seems to think he was raised from the dead, from Adam 1's death. WRONG. We first have to die WITH CHRIST to be raised up together WITH CHRIST.

Our old man is CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST...and THAT is the death we must face in order to be quickened together with Him. Jesus does not go around and quicken your old Adam 1. Adam 1 is CRUCIFIED with Christ, not quickened or re-birthed.
---kathr4453 on 8/6/13


Linda, you are not understanding the passages. Read it over again,
What you are suggesting is that the Spirit of God (Jesus Christ) is already in you, and you are not saved but dead in trespasses and sins because you haven't been quickened as you say. That is not what the passages are teaching. Read (v.10)
"And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness"
Paul is saying that if God's Spirit indwells you (v.9) the human spirit is alive (Eph. 2:5) and can manifest true righteousness, but we still have our mortal bodies and God will quicken our mortal bodies and change them.
---Mark_V. on 8/6/13


MarkV...

(Eph 2:5)
Even when we were dead in sins, (God) hath quickened us together with Christ

According to scripture when does this quickening occur?

(Romans 8:9-11)
if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his...IF the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

The quickening is AFTER you place your trust/faith in Christ and receive the Holy Spirit.

I'm saying it again and scripture confirms it: You have believed a lie.
Stop reading Calvin's garbage for your own sake and the sake of your son.
---LindaH on 8/6/13


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Linda, if you understood the Holy Spirit work in a person, you would know that the Spirit brings people to life, spiritual life, those who are dead in trespasses and sins, because you already have a physical life in the flesh. The Spirit also grants you faith, and grants you repentance, once you are born of the Spirit through faith, you now see Christ because when you were made alive by grace, you were made alive together with Christ (Eph. 2:4,5). when God draws you to Himself and saves you, He then endwells you with His Spirit to accomplish the works of God with His gifts, He guides you and teaches you, and most of all He seals you, so that you will never be lost. That is the assurance of the Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 8/6/13


The bible never makes a destination between faith and "saving faith". Faith is faith...period. There is absolutely no verse whatsoever using the term " saving faith ".

Again word games and double talk not found in scripture.

If there was such a difference Ephesians would clearly say, by Grace through SAVING FAITH, but it does not.

To BELIEVE, is demonstrated thousands of times in scripture.

Stop with playing games MarkV with the Word of God.

Abraham BELIEVED GOD and Abraham's faith was imputed as Righteousness. Not God's saving faith given to Abraham ..
---kathr4453 on 8/5/13


Gordon, to "know" the will of God YOU must obey Romans 12:1-2.
---kathr4453 on 8/5/13


Mark....

(Galatian 2:16)
we have believed IN Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith OF Christ

(Eph 1:13)
in whom also AFTER that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise

The disciples didnt have the Holy Spirit until after Christs resurrection (John 20:22)

The believers are Ephesus didn't have the Holy Spirit until Paul laid hands on them AFTER they were baptized (Acts 19:2-6)

I'm sorry, Mark, but you have believed a lie. Faith IN Christ is possible before receiving the Holy Spirit (Romans 10:8). Regeneration occurs when you already have Him (Titus 3:5)
---LindaH on 8/5/13


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Linda, you are giving a demonstration of man's own faith. I was talking about saving faith in Jesus Christ, saving faith that only comes from God. You say,
"Mark, your wife gives you her word that she is going to the store and will be back in an hour with something nice for you.
Does she force you to believe her or do you choose to believe her?"
I choose to believe her but, since she is human, she failed me. Just like I failed her. God never fails. So the comparison is not valid. When God gives you something it never fails. Faith in God is much different then faith in man.
Trust in God.
---Mark_V. on 8/5/13


Gods' will is easy to know and do. Jesus showed us and told us Mark 4,22 he is not talking about sin he is trying to explain the will of God to his followers, Mark 4,26 this is Gods' will Mark 4,31 You sow his word and he does the rest. He watches over his word to perform it
---Bryan on 8/4/13


Mark, your wife gives you her word that she is going to the store and will be back in an hour with something nice for you.

Does she force you to believe her or do you choose to believe her?

God gave us his word that He shed his own blood (in Christ) for our sins, proving his love for us.

We either choose to believe him and love him or we don't and we continue to fear and hate him.

You are overcomplicating salvation.
---LindaH on 8/4/13


Francis, Louisiana.
---LindaH on 8/4/13


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Linda, you say,
"...the written word is enough to produce faith in Christ." Paul says, "Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God" (Rom. 10:17). Faith comes to the lost by the Word of God if you can hear.
Then say,
"..has already shown you using scripture in Deut 30:11-20 and Romans 10:5-13, man has been given all he needs to have faith." You mean to receive faith from God, because that is where faith comes from. Deut. 29:4 tells us, "yet the Lord has not given you a heart to perceive and eyes to see and ears to hear to this very day" If they cannot hear, how can they receive faith?
you don't misunderstanding Eph. 2:8,9, you reject the Truth.
---Mark_V. on 8/4/13


-LindaH may I ask what state you hail from?
---francis on 8/3/13


I write this to neutralise the unbiblical poison MarkV infects this site with.
As QUALIFIED teachers know, parables/analogies are given to pupils who don't understand so they CAN understand, not to keep them in ignorance. For example, "[Jesus] taught them his message with many parables like these, as far as their minds could understand it." (Mark 4:33) Jesus came into the world so "that those who do not see may see, and those who see may be made blind." (John 9:39) Jesus spoke this to the Pharisees who believed they had sight.

Jesus could have spoken this: "Woe to MarkV, for he has taken away the key of knowledge. He's never gone in himself and he has hindered everyone else from entering." (Luke 11:52)
---Marc on 8/3/13


"Why would he write to them if they had no faith to believe"--- MarkV

But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God

According to John, the written word is enough to produce faith in Christ.

Jasheradan has already shown you using scripture in Deut 30:11-20 and Romans 10:5-13, man has been given all he needs to have faith.

You seem to have trouble understanding the simplest things. Is English a second language for you?

This fantasy you have about faith being given is simply a misunderstanding of what Eph 2:8,9 is truly saying!
---LindaH on 8/3/13


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Gods will for you isn't difficult.

It's not about circumstances, or prophetic utterance. It's made known to us in the Bible rightly divided (Eph 1:9). Paul says you are unwise if you don't know it (Eph 5:17).

Here it is
Salvation is Gods will for you and other people (1 Tim 2:4)
Coming to a knowledge of the truth of the Bible rightly divided (1 Tim 2:4)
Giving thanks to God (1 Thess 5:18)

What he has done is give you his Son and the source of truth in the Bible. Make your own decisions based on them. Don't steal from people (Eph 4:28). Don't marry someone who doesn't love God as much as you do (Eph 5:21).
In everything give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you. 1 Thess 5:18
---michael_e on 8/3/13


Linda, you say now,

"John 20:30,31
And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing ye might have life through his name (written to unbelievers)"


So what you are saying is that John, who wrote the gospel of John, was writing to unbelievers who do not believe, and have no understanding in the word of God (Rom. 3:10,11) Is that correct? Why would he write to them if they had no faith to believe, and no understanding of God's Word?
So before you judge me, remove the stake from your eye.
---Mark_V. on 8/3/13


"The parables have the explantions attached because the Bible is for believers."--MarkV<

Mark, that is by far the most ignorant statement I have seen you make yet. Read the book! Don't just search the internet for one-liners.

John 20:30,31
And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing ye might have life through his name (written to unbelievers)

1. You are presented with the truth of Christ
2. You believe the truth of Christ
3. THEN you have life through his name
---LindaH on 8/3/13


If your a born again Christian your job is to sow the Gospel. That is fulfilling the law of Christ Jesus. Mark 16:15
---Bryan on 8/3/13


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Nana, you say to Richard,
"Matthew 10:27 "What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops."
Oooops RICHARD, that must be why your Bible has the parables with their explanations attached!"

The parables have the explantions attached because the Bible is for believers. The explanations were not given those Jesus spoke about only to the disciples who followed Jesus. Only believers understand the Word of God because Christ reveals it to them,
The Word of God concerning the lost,
"As it is written:
There is none righteous, no, not one,
There is none who understands:
There is none who seek after God"
(Rom. 3:10,11).
---Mark_V. on 8/3/13


If you don't know Gods will you can't live a life in Christ. Ignorance of Gods will condemns us to death.

If you are ignorant of Gods will, and continue saying you are living your life for the Lord, you are deceiving yourself.

The truth is you are doing your own will, and calling it Gods.

Right division is an arrow pointing you to Gods revealed will in the Bible.

Learn Gods will: 1 Tim 2:4, Eph 1:9-10, Eph 3:8-10, 1 Thess 4:3, and 1 Thess 5:16-18.

Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is. Eph 5:16
---michael_e on 8/2/13


Richard, did it ever occur to you that the reason Christ explained the parables to them was because they followed him?
---Jasheradan on 8/2/13


To the twelve:
Matthew 10:27 "What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops."
Oooops RICHARD, that must be why your Bible has the parables with their explanations attached!

Matthew 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
Matthew 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Furthermore, Matthew 28:19_20 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations,..."
---Nana on 8/2/13


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Jasheradan on 8/2/13 - Christ explain -
I believe they did Know - or would Know - Back to Mark 4:11 - ( Unto you is "Given" To Know the Mystery of the Kingdom of God ) - Who's a better one to ask then the author of the Bible ?

John 6:45 - It is written in the prophets And they all shall be taught of God,
every man therefore that hath heard and hath learn of the Father cometh to me,
---RICHARDC on 8/2/13


RICHARD,

Not even the disciples understood the parables.
They had to have Christ explain the meaning of them.

Were the disciples "without"? Cmon now.
---Jasheradan on 8/2/13


Nana on 8?2/13 - Taught the Parables -

Mark 4:12 ( Lest there sins be forgiven - Converted ) - Is this not dealing with people that have received Grace ? Or Ones God plans to save - They believe The Gospel - Therefore the parables, "There Sin are Forgiven" - Others are Blind to it, They really don't believe.

2 Timothy 2:24 - In Meekness instructing Those who oppose themselves, If God peradventure will give them repentance to acknowledging of the truth,

( The Word here peradventure means - maybe - Repentance is Granted by God - It is not the Guarantee, If God wants to save all then why not give repentance to all ? )
---RICHARDC on 8/2/13


MarkV, its simple

God thru Moses:
"look upon this fiery serpent and you will be healed"

All who OBEYED the gospel/good news of the serpent and LOOKED UPON the raised serpent were healed/saved by Gods grace (though they didnt deserve it) thru their faith/trust.

God thru Jesus Christ :
"Look upon me, the Son, and you will be healed"

All who OBEY the gospel/good news of Jesus Christ from God and LOOK UPON the raised Christ are healed/saved by Gods grace (though we dont deserve it) thru our faith/trust.

We already have the ability to obey or disobey. (Deut 30:11-20) (Romans 10:5-13)


Its jAsheradan btw - not jEsheradan
---Jasheradan on 8/2/13


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"( If God Wants to Save ALL: Then Why Parables - Not To Understand, And Why Does God Blind Israel ? )"
RICHARDC

Were you intructed in parables without explanation or you were taught the parables and the explanation?
It is the latter isn't it? Try some other example as that one is not valid.

Here is something commendable for you to spend your time disseminating:
Acts 17:30_31 "And the times of this ignorance God winked at, but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained, whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead."
---Nana on 8/2/13


ON - 8/1/13 - God Desires : All men to be saved ?

Mark 4:11 - And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the Kingdom of God: but unto them that are without all these things are done in parables,
Mark 4:12 - That seeing they may see, And Not Perceive: and Hearing They may Hear, and Not Understand, Lest at any time they should be converted, and their
sins be forgiven them,

Romans 11:8 - ( According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, Eyes that they should Not See and Ears they should Not Hear: )unto this day.

( If God Wants to Save ALL: Then Why Parables - Not To Understand, And Why Does God Blind Israel ? )
---RICHARDC on 8/2/13


Jesheradan, the other blog closed so I could not answer you, but I am glad I didn't. Here you make an idol with the capacity to heal others. A serpent on a stick. Don't you know what you are saying? You said,
"The fiery serpent on the stick had the CAPACITY to heal everyone inflicted, but ONLY those who LOOKED UPON it were healed."
Where did you get that from? "People got healed by God who obeyed His command, to look at the serpent. If they obeyed God, He would heal them, if they disobeyed God, death would come to them."
An idol has no capacity to do anything but stand there. It cannot move, talk, jump up and down, heal, answer prayers. Please, get the story right.
---Mark_V. on 8/2/13


1 Timothy 2:3,4
2 Peter 3:9
John 3:17
Colossians 1:27-29
1 John 2:2

These scriptures require NO speculation on the part of the man. They are very clear. No need for interpretation.

God desires all men to be saved. Christ died for all men. Not all will be saved though, because not all will obey the gospel (Romans 10:16).

The fiery serpent on the stick had the CAPACITY to heal everyone inflicted, but ONLY those who LOOKED UPON it were healed. Christ used this as an example of his role as Savior.
---Jasheradan on 8/1/13


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John 1:47 "Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed,in whom is no guile!"
Luke 1:30 "And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God."
What is it to you if those who heard the words of God were disobedient from the very beginning? You are disobedient even now to the same word, aren't you Mark_V.?
---Nana on 8/1/13


Nana, and guess what? None of those who heard the words of God listened to the words of God for they were disobedient from the very beginning. To this day that nation is still lost. Which Israel? The Israel of the flesh.
---Mark_V. on 8/1/13


This is God's will for those who know not :
Isaiah 1:16_18 "Wash you, make you clean, put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes, cease to do evil, Learn to do well, seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow. Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow, though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool."
---Nana on 8/1/13


As Christan quoted before, God's will is:
"this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and BELIEVES IN HIM may have everlasting life, and I will raise him up at the last day" John 6:40.

This is confirmed in 1Thess 4:3
"this is the will of God, even your sanctification (which we have when we believe in Jesus), that ye should abstain from fornication (with Hagar/righteousness by works of the law).

Those who believe in Jesus are sanctified (Heb 10:10) as they obey the will of God.

But those who profess to know God, but instead fornicate with Hagar/righteousness by works of the law, such disobey God's will. They're in unbelief, which is the sin the world is convicted of, John 16:9.
---Haz27 on 7/26/13


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God's will is..

His word
His commandments

His promises
His benefits

His desire
His delight

His plan
His purposes

All of the above
---jan4378 on 7/26/13


God's will...hmmm. I guess for JWs, like Scott and David, it would be to knock on as many doors as possible before Armeggedon.

"Salvation" by works? Possibly.
---Marc on 6/20/13


god's will is for our salvation. what about our existence here on earth?
---mulligan on 6/19/13

Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man.
---francis on 6/19/13


god's will is for our salvation. what about our existence here on earth?
---mulligan on 6/19/13

????
---francis on 6/19/13


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francis
god's will is for our salvation. what about our existence here on earth? do we just sit down & wait for god to feed us, shower us with money after we give our 10%? is god's will is for us to be prosperous or poor, single, married, move to another country? specify the will of god.
---mulligan on 6/19/13


Gordon, there is many passages that quote that word "willing or will of God" It depends which passage you are talking about and the context of that passage. The plan of God is really called the Plan of Redemption. It is an agreement or Covenant between the Godhead that was formed between the Three before the foundation of the world. The Father with the Son, and the Spirit. Each was to perform a duty.
---Mark_V. on 6/16/13


God forknew all of the world. do you actually think God forknew a few select people? I can't understand that thinking. please look up "the whole world", to be saved is to call on the name of the Lord. now my bible didn't tell me that only select few can call on the name of the Lord.
---shira4368 on 6/12/13


"For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren." (Romans 8:29)

So, our Father's basic will is to conform us to the image of Jesus, so that Jesus has "many brethren", in our Father's caring and sharing family love (Romans 5:5, John 17:22-23).

Because our Father, before creation, was so pleased with His Son, that He desired to have more like Jesus. His will, then, is not only plan and desire, but how our Father is so pleased by Jesus as His motivation to do all He does with us (c:

And we also should do all we do because we are pleased by Jesus to obey our Father (c:
---willie_c: on 6/8/13


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God's will is our salvation.

this includes every thing that goes along with being saved.

It includes the ministry of His Son Jesus, and well as our ministering to each other

I also agree totally with the post of josef on 6/7/13
---francis on 6/8/13


Depending on the context, Father's will can be defined as either His choice, inclination, desire, pleasure, or determination.
---josef on 6/7/13


Slow everything down Gordon, you can't look at your life with omniscience. Only God can do that.

For us as humans we have to take God's will minutes at a time if we want to be able to see the whole of the matter long term.

I like to take it 5 minutes at a time. What does Jesus require with the next 5 minutes he's given me?

Start now actively answering that question everyday and the rest of the matter will be revealed to you.
---Pharisee on 6/7/13


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