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Are You A Goat Or A Sheep

The Holy Bible is explicit and distinct. God declares that He loves and hates individuals. These are separated into vessels of honour and dishonour, the sheep and the goat. Any comments?

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Matt 25:32
The division is the definitive: eternity/no time/space or lake of fire - ashes.
God reaches out (Yod), He sent His word to digest (shin), for eyes to be opened (Ayin).[Ysh A]

First to Israel whom He declared chosen/elect as His witnesses that He Exist God.Is 43:12
He Exist Just, Fair and True - as witnessed with Israel(Forsaken/Forgiven)Chosen people - the Seed/His Word in flesh-would come Anointed- that "who-so-ever" believes may be delivered, rescued...

Jn 6:70 [...] "Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?"
The ten scattered/lost/hidden tribes - "House of Israel" that Christ -sent forth- His disciples to preach the gospel to. (Matt10:6)

continued'
---char on 6/28/13


Paul- of the seed of Abraham - an Israelite of the (Tribe of Benjamin.)
Acts 9:15, "But the Lord said unto him, "God thy way: for he [Paul] is a chosen vessel unto Me, to bear My name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

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Nation under God:
Tribe of Manasseh become of nation of great people, the tribe Ephraim was to become a multitude of nations.
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Jerusalem: time clock for the elect to know the seasons
(Rev7:4-8/Mark 13) Matt 24:3, Amos 8:11
Rev7:4-8
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The remnant - God chose - Stand and Witness - The Word of God - from generation to generation.

Shalom
---char on 6/28/13


Rom 11:26 -27 .
---Trav on 6/27/13

yes, some jews will be saved, all israel which are saved will be saved by Jesus, and not be keeping the law of God or Law of Moses

That in no way shape or form says that those grafted in is north israel

those grafted in are clearly gentiles as god promises

Zechariah 2:11
Isaiah 62:2 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.


Acts 15:14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
---francis on 6/27/13


---Trav on 6/25/13

It is your garbage
1: Romans 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles

Paul is speaking to gentiles not to north israel
---francis on 6/26/13

As posted Fran, this may always be mystery garbage to you.
The verifying conclusion to the seeker is divorced/gentiled Nth House of Israel. Witnessed in these concluding verses:
Rom 11:26 And so "ALL Israel" shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto "THEM", when I shall take away "THEIR" sins.

All of Romans is too all of Israel....all nations/family's of including Judah.
---Trav on 6/27/13


---Trav on 6/25/13

It is your garbage
1: Romans 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles

Paul is speaking to gentiles not to north israel

2: Zechariah 2:11 And many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto thee

3:Isaiah 62:2 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.

Gentiles coming to Join with Israel is biblical prophecy not mystery
---francis on 6/26/13




Grafting was Israel. Northern nation/ethnos with the Southern nation/ethnos of Judah.
---Trav on 6/21/13
GARBAGE GARBAGE GARBAGE

Romans 11:13. Romans 11:17.
---francis on 6/21/13

Mystery Garbage to you the Pharisee's/Sadducee's, but gospel to the ethnos/nations of the Northern House of Israel.
Shown to be the verses intent below. Gentiles is roman catholic latin for "ethnos/nations".
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery,...., that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the nations/ethnos(lost Israel) be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written,
---Trav on 6/25/13


Yes, we should all want to be sheep. We should all want to be honored by God. Honor the living God!
---Catherine on 6/25/13

You're a sweetie Cat. If I'm a dog I'll be a sheep dog, the best sheep dog that ever looked for a sheep.
A minister pointed out one time to me that there is no such thing as an attack sheep.
In my observation America and the Christian countries are being eaten by the wolves because sheep/Christians act like what they are.
Mic_2:12 I will surely assemble, O Jacob, all of thee, I will surely gather the remnant of Israel, I will put them together as the sheep of Bozrah, as the flock in the midst of their fold: they shall make great noise by reason of the multitude of men.
---Trav on 6/25/13


Yes, we should all want to be sheep. We should all want to be honored by God. Honor the living God!
---Catherine on 6/25/13


Kathr, you say,
"But there are some here who think they are the good ground apart from Jesus Christ."
Where did you hear that? I've not heard one person say such a thing. I have even given you passages, here let me give them to you again so you can stop lying.
"But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us seat together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus..." (Eph. 2:4,5). So what are you talking about? No one is saved without Christ. God chooses the elect and draws them to Himself, make them alive together with Christ.
---Mark_V. on 6/25/13


Those scriptures prove not that Israel is the "Vine".

---Nana on 6/21/13

I suggested a concordance. For you to see yourself. The witnesses are there for anything I post....or wouldn't post.

Psa_80:8 Thou hast brought a vine out of Egypt: thou hast cast out the heathen, and planted it.
Nah_2:2 For the LORD hath turned away the excellency of Jacob, as the excellency of Israel: for the emptiers have emptied them out, and marred their vine branches.
Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not, therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Luk_8:15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.
---Trav on 6/24/13




Trey, except there is not one verse in scripture ever saying anything is wrong with goats..and the verse DOES NOT SAY separate MY SHEEP from the goats does it?

Again it says, " like a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats".,

The shepherd STILL OWNS both sheep and goats, AND both still belong to the shepherd.

So now go find some OT verse about goats being evil wicked hated creatures.

You guys are really daft when it comes to reading comprehension, or just reading in general.

This verse say nothing about a goat always being a goat born a goat born to go to hell, because his mom and dad were goats and no HOPE of ever becoming anything but a goat.

WHAT A LIE YOU ALL TEACH.
---kathr4453 on 6/22/13


kathr4453 on 6/21/13,

I have agreed with all that you just stated before you said it here.
"Now those today IN CHRIST bear fruit, whether 30, 70 or 100% whether a natural branch or one grafted in."
Exactly. Have I given you any indication that I believe otherwise?
---Nana on 6/21/13

Not at all. But there are some here who think they are the good ground apart from Jesus Christ. And some here seem to think there are goats running around in sheep's clothing.

When Paul wrote Philippians 3:1-4, does he even use the word goats? Or DOGS? A goat is not a dog, but a wolf is a dog.
---kathr4453 on 6/22/13


Let us consider the end of Matt 25

Mt25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Sounds like eternal judgement to me.

Also, for what it's worth, sheep act like sheep because God made them sheep, and goats act like goats because God made them goats. A first grader knows that. So let us give the glory unto God that made us sheep and not goats.
---trey on 6/21/13


kathr4453 on 6/21/13,

I have agreed with all that you just stated before you said it here.
"Now those today IN CHRIST bear fruit, whether 30, 70 or 100% whether a natural branch or one grafted in."
Exactly. Have I given you any indication that I believe otherwise?
---Nana on 6/21/13


nana, read Romans 11, and see where some of the branches were broken off, so you could be grafted in wild against nature. It would appear that Israel is the natural branches.

Now those today IN CHRIST bear fruit, whether 30, 70 or 100% whether a natural branch or one grafted in. Why? Because Christ in you is your life, and those In Christ do abide IN CHRIST and bear fruit. WHY? because the good ground is Christ in you. No individual person is in himself good ground.
---kathr4453 on 6/21/13


"National Israel is the "Vine" throughout scripture.
confirm by concordance."
---Trav on 6/21/13

You are making a tradition of making statements and not proving them. Those scriptures prove not that Israel is the "Vine".

John 15:1_2 "I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit."
---Nana on 6/21/13


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Grafting was Israel. Northern nation/ethnos with the Southern nation/ethnos of Judah.
---Trav on 6/21/13
GARBAGE GARBAGE GARBAGE

Romans 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles,... Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree,
---francis on 6/21/13


...think that I am not aware that I am graffed, right?
jews are not the vine and neither is national Israel.
---Nana on 6/20/13

Grafting was Israel. Northern nation/ethnos with the Southern nation/ethnos of Judah.

National Israel is the "Vine" throughout scripture.
confirm by concordance.
Hos 14:1 O Israel, return unto the LORD thy God, for thou hast fallen by thine iniquity.
Hos 14:7 They that dwell under his shadow shall return, they shall revive as the corn, and grow as the vine: the scent thereof shall be as the wine of Lebanon.

Jas_3:12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.
---Trav on 6/21/13


The Important point of Matthew 25 is that many who think they are saved because of their religious action are not. Why because they did not love others as themselves.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/20/13


So god hates goats? Will there be a worldwide killing of goats once this revelation gets out to the Christain blogs. How wonderfully modern and civilized. White robes and long sharp knives. Then the barbaque......
---atheist on 6/21/13


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One card Nana, sinner! Sinner saved by grace, now becoming a member of the Body of Christ, an NEW CREATURE no longer Jew or Gentile.

Nana, I believe in the rapture of the Church, the Body of Christ. And Matthew 24-25 does not apply to the Church, but those left here during the Great Tribulation, and where the fulfillment of those promises to the NATION ISRAEL will in fact come to pass. When Jesus comes back as KING, I and the Church will be with Him.

So you are correct here, Jews saved during the Church Age can't have both promises.
---kathr4453 on 6/21/13


Matthew 21:43 and 21:43 are in concordance with Paul's saying: "For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel". You do by chance would not think that I am not aware that I am graffed, right? But that is not to your credit as a jew. The jews are not the vine and neither is national Israel.
Ezekiel 12 is speaking of those coming againg the nation Israel whereas Matthew 25 is speaking of the conduct becoming of Christians. Sorry kathr, you are not allowed 2 cards, one for being jew and another for being a christian.
---Nana on 6/20/13


Nana, when read with Zechariah 12-14 it does in fact have to do with Israel. And we see in Zechariah 12-14, God judges the nations who come against Israel.

Zechariah 12-14 is Matthew 24-25 and immediately after. Nothing in Zechariah about taking the Kingdom away from Israel and giving it to Gentiles.
---kathr4453 on 6/20/13


Matthew 21:43 "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof."
Matthew 21:45 "And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them."

Therefore, to conclude that Jesus brethren means the 'JEWS' in Matthew 25 does not sound true. What fruits thereof?

Galatians 5:22_23 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance..." Christians are all required to live in the righteousnes of the Spirit, else be discounted.
---Nana on 6/20/13


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I can't understand that kind of thinking.
---shira4368 on 6/19/13


Because you have a meek and lowly heart. That's what Christ gives us when he comes into our lives. Its the difference between a paper Christian and one that KNOWS the Lord. You should be happy you are that way :)
---Jasheradan on 6/20/13


In Matthew 25, where the only scripture refers to sheep/goats, states, He will separate them "LIKE" sheep from goats...it does not say, He will separate HIS sheep from the goats.

Also, it's all based on WORKS, and no mention of any Lambs book of Life
here or pre election, based on God's good humor.

This is NOT the great white throne Judgement. But judgement AFTER the great tribulation, and how people responded to Jesus brethren at that time, meaning the JEWS.
How do YOU feel about Israel today? How will you treat Israel when all the nations come against her...Zechariah 12?
Your answer will tell you where and what group you will be placed.
---kathr4453 on 6/20/13


Shira, you now say,
"markv, I respect you as a person and your choice of worship but what makes you think you are more special than anyone else?" What makes me special is that I once lost, and God had mercy on me a sinner. And I thank Him for reaching out and saving me. He could have left me heading to hell, for I did not deserve salvation, only the wrath of God for all I could give Him was my sins.
So Shira, I respect you also not only as a person, but as my sister in Christ, so I ask you the same question if you are saved,
"What makes you more special than anyone else?"
---Mark_V. on 6/20/13


wow markv, you keep reading God's Word wrong. everyone is elected but only some accept. God did know who we were before the foundation of the world....all humans made in the image of God. you will never never never never believe Christ died for all. you are really missing out on the good stuff.
---shira4368 on 6/19/13


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markv, I respect you as a person and your choice of worship but what makes you think you are more special than anyone else? I absolutely don't think God favors me above anyone else. I can't understand that kind of thinking.
---shira4368 on 6/19/13


Shira, you say,
"Markv,... People think you are preaching only a few chosen are going to heaven. I know you don't believe that"
Scripture declares only the chosen one's are going to heaven. Remember what Jesus said?
"To you it has been given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is given in parables, that Seeing they many not see, And hearing they may not understand" (Luke 8:10). The word goes out in power and the Holy Spirit to some, and to others it goes out in word only "Knowing beloved brethren, your election by God. For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit and in much assurance,.." (1 Thess. 1:4,5).
---Mark_V. on 6/19/13


That's why I mentioned you here since you and michael_e are birds of a feather.
---Nana on 6/18/13

Ha. Nice little twist...sister. Would you be a twisted sister or twisting sister?
I quit relying on my doctrine of men logic when multiple scriptural witnesses spoke.
Trusting the "Chosen", Apostles, Prophets and the Messiah's words rather than "Nana's"/men's logic has the wisest scriptural conclusion.
If the analogy is sheep and Israel are sheep....it is not appropriate to change it. Some do and some avoid these scriptures in fear. Usually preachers, sometimes Nana's.
Zec 7:11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.
2Ti_4:4
---Trav on 6/19/13


// you and michael_e are birds of a feather.
---Nana on 6/18/13//
Thanks for the compliment, nana
Maybe birds, but not sheep.
The flock of God and the sheep of the Lord were the men of Israel as the chosen people separate from the Gentiles.
---michael_e on 6/18/13

Likewise a compliment.
sheep were to be searched for.
Sheep act as sheep, sheep have marks of sheep. Note below that it does not say "and Judah" as in 8:8.
Heb_8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
---Trav on 6/19/13


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Markv, you are still confusing people with your predestined doctrine. People think you are preaching only a few chosen are going to heaven. I know you don't believe that.
---shira4368 on 6/18/13


Yes Michael, chosen to SERVE GOD, and to be a LIGHT TO THE GENTILES.
---kathr4453 on 6/18/13


// you and michael_e are birds of a feather.
---Nana on 6/18/13//
Thanks for the compliment, nana
Maybe birds, but not sheep.
The flock of God and the sheep of the Lord were the men of Israel as the chosen people separate from the Gentiles.
---michael_e on 6/18/13


"We prefer our own soothing logic."
---Trav on 6/18/13

That's why I mentioned you here since you and michael_e are birds of a feather.
---Nana on 6/18/13


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Christan, some here don't know they are sheep. Yes, the Bible is explicit, there is the Children of God, called the sheep, and the children of satan call goats. The separation was instituted before the foundation of the world in the covenant of redemption and explained in ( Gen. 3:15) through the curse
God put on the serpent. There has always been a division between the children of flesh and the children of promise. Even today only the children of promise will be saved.
"And not only this, but when Rebecca also conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls.."
"
---Mark_V. on 6/18/13


...must be based on some secret knowledge they must posess since when Christ brought the subject of dividing between the sheep and the goats it was not based on blood lines.
---Nana on 6/16/13

A Goat is not a Sheep. Even though both were sacrificed.
The secret is not a secret.
Joh_10:27 My sheep hear my voice, I know them, they follow me:
It is written for all to see.
Now to believe what is written is different. Broken/humbled asking the only teacher....we have trouble with. We prefer our own soothing logic.
Joh_10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: I lay down my life for the sheep.
Mat_15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
---Trav on 6/18/13


Ever since God led his chosen nation out of Egypt Israel was named the special flock of God.
" But made his own people to go forth like sheep, and guided them in the wilderness like a flock. Psalm 78:52
For he is our God, and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. Psalm 95:7
The flock of God and the sheep of the Lord were the men of Israel as the chosen people separate from the Gentiles.
Thus shall they know that I the LORD their God am with them, and that they, even the house of Israel, are my people, saith the Lord GOD. And ye my flock, the flock of my pasture, are men, and I am your God, saith the Lord GOD. Ezek 34:30-31
---michael_e on 6/17/13


God hates WHAT they have done, not WHO they are. God despises all evil in an individual, but loves the individual. Whether or not you are a sheep or a goat, you are still loved by God.
---A_servant on 6/17/13


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"Your doctrine smells like a 1st cousin to Calvinism. Just another false doctrine that excludes in it's own peculiar way."
kathr4453 on 6/16/13

It does smell as such. Michael_e should hook up with trav who separates the between sheep and goats by blood lines.
This must be based on some secret knowledge they must posess since when Christ brought the subject of dividing between the sheep and the goats it was not based on blood lines. Was it not by the disposition of each mans heart?
Hint, "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind."
"Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." The goats are described as lacking empathy. Matthew 21:43.
---Nana on 6/16/13


Rom 8:37 quotes Psa 44:22 sheep going to the slaughter.

Israel couldn't defeat their enemies (Psa 44:13-14).

There shame was they claimed God as their defender yet were being defeated by their enemies (Psa 44:15-16).

Psa. 44:26 is bleating sheep being slaughtered

This is the response of many who don't understand the truth of being more than a conqueror through Christ.

Paul doesn't quote Psalm 44 to describe us. It's an example of what we are not.

Rom 8:37, after Paul asks who can separate us, and quotes the sheepish cry of the Psalmist, he responds with a single word that silences the sheepish.

Nay Romans 8:37
---michael_e on 6/16/13


Again michael_e, are you saying Jesus only gave His life for the sheep/Israel, or as John states in 1st John, not only ours, that is Jews, but the sin of the whole world, or not only ours, those saved, but the sin of the whole world...either way you read this, the whole world includes Gentiles. WHOSOEVER in John 3:16 also backs up ALL, not just Jews. Your doctrine smells like a 1st cousin to Calvinism. Just another false doctrine that excludes in it's own peculiar way.

Did God decide to forgive your sin Michael only AFTER Paul came into the ministry?
---kathr4453 on 6/16/13


michael e, you did not answer my questions.
I believe you are confuse as to who the Church is. The Church in Jerusalem was made up of 3,000 Jews who were baptized (Acts 2:5: 22,36,41,46). The early jewish Church expanded into the Roman world. The Jews ask, "Is our Messiah only for us?" Then God's Spirit fell on non-Jews (Acts 10:44,45)
"But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation.. to created in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in One Body through the Cross" (Eph. 2:11-16). Jews and Gentiles.
---Mark_V. on 6/16/13


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Are You A Goat Or A Sheep?

Are these the only choices?

maybe a heifer?
---francis on 6/15/13


While God led his flock to green pastures once out of Egypt, God entrusted his sheep to the priests and rulers of Israel to shepherd his flock. These shepherds failed and the sheep went astray.

My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek after themFor thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.
Ezekiel 34:6-11

It's no surprise that in accordance with these prophecies that God manifested himself in the flesh and declared himself to be the good Shepherd:
I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. John 10:11
---michael_e on 6/15/13


Michael_e, do you realize Jesus is God sent into the world to save sinners? Why are you lowering him to Peter's level as just another man.

Behold the LAMB OF GOD WHO TAKES AWAY THE SIN OF THE JEWS????OR SIN OF THE WORLD?
---kathr4453 on 6/15/13


Jesus was Jewish. He was circumcised the eight day, he ate kosher food, he kept the feast days, and he followed the law of Moses. He also recognized the special standing that Israel had with God as being separate from the Gentiles (Mat 10:6).

Paul writes that Jesus was a minister of the circumcision just like Peter, James, and John (Gal 2:7-9). The uncircumcised were cutoff from God (Gen 17:14). Gentiles could only garner a hearing with Jesus if they exhibited blessing of the nation Israel and him as the Messiah. Jesus healed a few Gentiles and used them as examples to a faithless Israel (Luke 7:9).
---michael_e on 6/15/13


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The problem michael_e, is when you quote Romans 15:8, you only quote ONE VERSE, where as Paul, as you see I posted had more to say after that verse . The verse you quote is out of context with the remaining, again, like all who do this TWIST truth to jam into their twisted doctrines. Why do you think I posted the WHOLE thing.

No the Church is not Israel, yet you believe, because one is under Grace one cannot STRAY? Using your understanding? So those under GRACE can't stray and sin, like Christians who get tangled in adultery etc?
---kathr4453 on 6/15/13


Matthew 25:31-33

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.


There is only these verses referring to sheep vs goats in scripture. God is NOT separating here Jews from Gentiles...
---kathr4453 on 6/15/13


Israel has always been the sheep of God, and their gathering into the pasture a promise of the kingdom of God to the Fathers. it's easy to understand what is meant when it is written that Jesus came to these lost sheep of Israel to confirm the promises made to the Fathers.
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Mat 15:24
Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers: Rom 15:8
---michael_e on 6/14/13


Michael e, you are thinking of sheep in the physical world sense. The way the world see them. Of course sheep get slaughtered, but so do goats and cows and pigs, even horses and chickens.
He is the Shepherd, we are the sheep. His sheep follow Him, and only they hear His voice. What you are saying is that we are following the Shepherd but we cannot hear Him because we are not sheep (Jews) you say. Come on Michael, you can do better then that. So what are we? Cows?
Jews and Gentile believers follow Christ, and they are both the Body of Christ, and they all hear His voice and follow Him.
---Mark_V. on 6/15/13


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My sheep hear my voice...

Yes technically Israel are the sheep, and myself being one of those sheep does not disqualify my being under Grace. Paul himself said, be ye followers of me the way I am of Christ, therefore, Paul being A Jew, or Israelite, never taught that because he was now under grace, following was no longer required. He proves by his own life, and an example to ALL of us, Jew and Gentile, we are to follow Christ.

The problem michael_e is, you don't know WHAT Paul means by his statement.

Some are so bent on doctrines, they fail to hear the message.
---kathr4453 on 6/14/13


Christ is the shepherd,so we are SUPPOSED to be the sheep.
Sheep follow. Sheep lay down. Sheep are sheared and left in shame bleating for their shepherd to intervene.
The problem is Paul says we are not sheep, but more than conquerors through Christ by the gospel of grace (Rom 8:36).

Who Shall Separate Us?
Sheep get lost. Conquerors do not, because they know who they are in Christ, and that nothing can separate us from our Head (Col 2:19).
The flock of God and the sheep of the Lord were the men of Israel as the chosen people separate from the Gentiles. Ezekiel 34:30-31
---michael_e on 6/14/13


Romans 15: 8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

9 And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy, as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.

10 And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people.

11 And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles, and laud him, all ye people.

12 And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles, in him shall the Gentiles trust.

13 Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.
---kathr4453 on 6/14/13


Michael e, Paul reveals that Ishmael represents unbelieving Jews, while Isaac represents Jews and Gentiles who have faith in Christ. "Now we brethren, (as believers in Christ)as Isaac was, are children of promise" (Gal. 4:28). The children of Promise are those who "receive the promise of the Spirit through faith" (Gal. 3:14). Therefore the Israel that is "in Isaac" is the Israel of God in the Holy Spirit. Paul then says,
"That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God, but the children of promise are counted as the seed" (Rom. 9:8). Counted as the seed means that, although some may be Gentiles, they are in.
---Mark_V. on 6/14/13


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Matthew 25 starts out with the 10 virgins, the Talents then ends with Sheep and goats. In each case the actions of the person reveal who they are.

Mat 25:40 "The King will answer and say to them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.'

Mat 25:45 "Then He will answer them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.'

Our actions show where our heart lies. GOD loves everyone. It is shown that he says the way we treat others shows how we feel towards Him.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/13/13


God led his flock to green pastures once out of Egypt, God entrusted his sheep to the priests and rulers of Israel to shepherd his flock. These shepherds failed and the sheep went astray. Ezekiel 34:6-11
Israel has always been the sheep of God, and their gathering into the pasture a promise of the kingdom of God to the Fathers. We can now understand what is meant when it is written that Jesus came to these lost sheep of Israel to confirm the promises made to the Fathers.
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Mat 15:24
Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers: Romans 15:8
---michael_e on 6/13/13


Michael e, I really don't know where you get the idea that the children of God are not sheep. The only one's who hear the voice of Jesus are the sheep. Jesus never said that the sheep only came from Israel. Nowhere does it say that. If Jesus death was only for the Israel, then no gentile would be saved. What we do know is that salvation came to Israel first, and they rejected the gospel. Peter and Paul both taught that believing Jews and non-jews (Gentiles) together, are the people of God, "the elect of God" and the "Israel of God" (1 Peter 2:9,10: Col. 3:11,12: Galatians 6:16)
---Mark_V. on 6/13/13


Ever since God led his chosen nation out of Egypt Israel was named the special flock of God.
But made his own people to go forth like sheep, and guided them in the wilderness like a flock. Psalm 78:52

For he is our God, and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. Psalm 95:7

The flock of God and the sheep of the Lord were the men of Israel as the chosen people separate from the Gentiles.
Christians are not sheep. Sheep get slaughtered. They do not conquer. We are more than conquerors, because even in death, we cannot be separated from salvation.
Nothing can separate us from the love of God in Christ.
Rom 8:38-39
---michael_e on 6/12/13


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Scott 1, I teach God is Soverign, that He is Omnipotent, who rules over His creation. If they are believers, why do they get offended that God chose us before the foundation of the world? they don't want God to have that power over sinners. They are still at enmity against God.

Free willers pray,
"God, you should be thankful I chose You and called you to save me. With out my free will I could have kept rejecting You, for you have no power over me. I'm glad I made that choice."

Genuine believers pray,
"Thank you God for calling us and adopting us as Your children, if you hadn't had mercy on me, I would still be heading to hell. Thank you for your mercy and kindness towards me a sinner"
---Mark_V. on 6/12/13


francis, you are stating a falsey again. God does not wish anyone die in their sin. why would He send His Son for someone he hated. the goats are the unsaved. even you should know that. you need to let go of all the legalism in your life and just look at facts.
---shira4368 on 6/11/13
Are you taking your medication as scheduled and prescribed?

Where did I say any such thing?

Are you hearing voices in your head again?

My commets were LOL LOL LOL
---francis on 6/12/13


francis, you are stating a falsey again. God does not wish anyone die in their sin. why would He send His Son for someone he hated. the goats are the unsaved. even you should know that. you need to let go of all the legalism in your life and just look at facts.
---shira4368 on 6/11/13


People tend to become like the gods they worship. If their god is fierce, they become fierce. If their god is hateful, they become hateful. If their god is kind, they become kind. If their god is compassionate, they become compassionate, etc...
---Love.wins on 6/11/13


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The Holy Bible is explicit and distinct. God declares that He loves and hates individuals. These are separated into vessels of honour and dishonour, the sheep and the goat. Any comments?
---christan on 6/10/13
yes
LOL LOL LOL LOL
---francis on 6/11/13


Mark Christian you have taken predestination Calvinist view, which I agree with to the point that at least on these blogs they are your idol. There are more important things than predestination vs free will out there.
---Scott1 on 6/11/13


God does not hate man's soul, God hates sin. If God really hated us, He would not have sent His Son to save mankind.
---shira4368 on 6/11/13


Christan, the division between God's children and the children of satan was revealed to us in (Gen. 3:15). It was God who caused that division through the curse. Since then there has always been a division between the children. Jesus said,
"If God were your Father, you would love Me" Only those who are born of God love the Father and the Son. The others belief the lies of their father the devil and do his desires without even knowing they are doing them. Because they are by nature children of wrath (John 8:42-44). They believe that they have a free will to choose who to love. But what they don't realize is that they are slaves of the devil.
Some here believe they are sheep, even when they are goats.
---Mark_V. on 6/11/13


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Yes, I've got two comments.

1) We are discussing the saved vs. the lost. The determination of which category someone falls into is not predetermined, but is up to the individual's FREE WILL ELECTIVE CHOICE of the Master they serve.

2) The determination of our own ultimate salvation is not ours, but God's. He is our judge - not we ourselves.



---jerry6593 on 6/11/13


Did you notice that neither the sheep or the goats know when they did or did not do the work of God? Did do you see that works are important to God? The sheep are described in John 10 as following Jesus and the goats are described as thieves and robbers trying to get into the fold some other Way.

God hates sinners because they hate Him and say He is unjust to require us to keep His commandments and follow the Word He sent into the world. They follow the stranger who gives them another way into the fold.

Notice that the sheep are called righteous. What makes them righteous? Their works are righteous and that is why they are told to enter into the Kingdom of God.
---barb on 6/11/13


A common image used is the shepherd and the sheep( John 10)

Sheep follow, are sheared and left bleating for their shepherd.

Paul says we're not sheep, but more than conquerors through Christ Rom 8:36).

Rom 8:37 quotes Psalm 44:22 talking about sheep going to slaughter.

This is the response of many who don't understand the truth of being more than a conqueror through Christ.

Paul doesn't quote Psa 44 to describe us. It's an example of what we are not.

Rom 8:37, after Paul asks who can separate us, and quotes the sheepish cry of the Psalmist, he responds with a single word that silences the sheepish.
Nay Rom 8:37

Do you want to be a sheep or "more than a conqueror"?
---michael_e on 6/11/13


"And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world." (1 John 2:2)

"As it is written, 'Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.' What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not!" (Romans 9:13-14)

"Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens." (Romans 9:18)
---willie_c on 6/11/13


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The sheep and goats Jesus speaks of metaphorically in Matthew 25 are divided into good and bad on the basis of their conduct. This is not about their being vessels of honor or dishonor. It's Paul who uses that phrase, not Jesus. God bless you.
---Love.wins on 6/10/13


What if God were to tell someone that you're one of the goats He hates?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/10/13


God cannot hate neither is any hate in him .
Anyone who is affiliated with God surpasses the old teachings where now man who seeks him will know him and in him there is no hate.
God looks upon his undeveloping children as something of a prodical child.It is,with all the care and teaching that can be given, up to the child.
---earl on 6/10/13




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