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Was Lazarus Dead

It is suggest by one person here that when Jesus said,
" Lazarus, come forth' that Lazarus was really asleep and not dead. And if Adam was dead, that God did not bring him to life first, that Lazarus heard the voice while dead and came forward. What say you?

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Jed, you have no clue why I answered Nikkie. She claimed dead people can hear and talk... No dead body, especially those who are dust can talk, or answer prayer. The RCC believes they can talk to the dead saints, and they answer prayer. ---Mark_V. on 6/28/13


Well that is a completely separate topic. Humans trying to communicate with the dead have nothing in common with Almighty God speaking life into a dead body. Of course human beings can NOT communicate with the dead, and to attempt such is nothing short of witchcraft. I know Catholics believe we can ask the dead saints to pray for us, but God's Word says there is only one mediator between God and man, and that is Christ Jesus.
---Jed on 6/28/13


Please let us equate the voice of God/Jesus with the voice of man. What/How the voice of God commands/moves into action/place is beyond human understanding.
---Adetunji on 6/28/13


MarkV, don't pretend I was claiming Samuael was able to talk on his own accord.
Leon answered you and I even reposted his answer to you.

//The witch of Endor obviously didn't summon Samuel's spirit back from the dead for Saul (I Sam. 28). God brought Samuel back to the witch's dismay & horror (much like Whoppie Goldberg in the movie Ghost).

The parable of Lazarus & the rich man clearly shows when one is dead there's no coming back. But God, beyond our understanding, does what suits His purpose---Leon on 6/23/13

Stop pulling Jed's leg
---Nikki on 6/28/13


Jed, you have no clue why I answered Nikkie. She claimed dead people can hear and talk so gave (1 Samuel 28). You say,
"Do you not believe in Miracles? If we can command mountains to move, you don't think Jesus had the power to MAKE a dead body obey him and come back to life?"
No human being can command a mountain to move. I believe in miracles. Jesus has power to bring someone to life. Dead bodies respond when they are brought to life by God. No dead body, especially those who are dust can talk, or answer prayer. The RCC believes they can talk to the dead saints, and they answer prayer. Only Jesus can answer prayer. He is very much alive.
When someone speaks to the dead and they respond, they are demons responding.
---Mark_V. on 6/28/13


But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

For whether we live, we live unto the Lord, and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?


I find this so funny!
You guys must believe God needs your body to resurrect you!

I can hear it now.
I'm sorry! He was cremated and his ashes scattered!
Peace
---TheSeg on 6/27/13




Jesus actually did raised Lazarus from the dead after he had been in the tomb for four days to show the glory of God [John 11}.... A second account in the same gospel describes him as siting with Jesus in the family home after the resurrection miracle [John 12:1-2]. Because of the publicity surrounding this event, the chief priest plotted to kill Lazarus [John 12:9-11].
---Catherine on 6/27/13


the idea here seems to be that God must first ressurect the person, and then the person will hear him.

I tend to believe that they happen at the same time, the dead person, hears the voice of God, and is instantly ressurected

God just calls the dead to life, and the dead respond, like a father waking his son from sleep, at the voice of his father, the son awakes, No need to wake teh son so that he can hear the voice
---francis on 6/27/13


MarkV, are you actually having trouble comprehending a dead person being brought back to life by the power of God? No one is claiming that Lazarus was walking around as a dead man, so stop insinuating that because no one else is claiming that. Your right, dead people don't awaken by loud voices. And lame people don't get up and run home carrying their beds either. Blind people don't suddenly gain their sight by having someone smear mud and spit on their eyes. And people don't get cured of leprosy. That's why these extraordinary events made it into the Bible. They're called MIRACLES. Do you not believe in Miracles? If we can command mountains to move, you don't think Jesus had the power to MAKE a dead body obey him and come back to life?
---Jed on 6/27/13


Dead people do not hear or respond. ---Mark_V. on 6/27/13
John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

John 5:29 And shall come forth, they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life, and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

why are you marveling at what God said not to marvel about?

Those who are dead, will not be resurrected first, and then here his voice, while dead, they will hear his voice and awake

MARVEL NOT

It is a God thing
---francis on 6/27/13


MarkV, are you confused?
Lazarus was dead as evidence of Jesus waiting 4 days and He told them to untie him.
Even the Jewish Leader wanted to kill him.
John 12:10
The chief priests plotted to kill Lazarus too, because many of the Jews were turning away and believing in Jesus because of him.
Why? because if any one can bring a DEAD man back to life He has the power of God with him or is God Himself.

So, to want to kill someone means he is alive again.
Lazarus isn't alive today, so we have to assume he DIED again.

Unless you are claiming Lazarus wasn't dead in the first place?
So, Elisha and Peter have more power than Jesus?
---Nikki on 6/27/13




Nikki, Now you say,
"Jesus died on the cross before Lazarus died AGAIN!"
Make up your mind, did he rise up while dead? Now you say, he died again. If he was walking around dead, how could he die again? Not possible.
Nikki, when Jesus said, Lazarus come forth" the only way Lazarus could come forth was if God made him alive. He did not rise up dead. The point of the story is so they, who were there, would believe that Jesus was the resurrection and the life. Lazarus did not rise dead. Dead people do not hear or respond. Now you say he then later died, if he was dead walking around how is it possible for him to die again? Lazarus was brought back to life by Jesus. Otherwise he could not die again while dead.
---Mark_V. on 6/27/13


Markv, no dead person walks around dead. Lol. Don't you believe Christ called Lazarus and told him to come forth out of the grave?
---shira4368 on 6/26/13


MarkV, you procrastinated. You waited too long. You should have asked him when Jesus brought him back to life. Jesus died on the cross before Lazarus died AGAIN!

You are just like my brother asking where breakfast is at 2 pm. Then you get mad because you find out you missed lunch as well.
Get out of bed on time if you want to eat breakfast or lunch.

Now you want to ask Lazarus?
Forget Lazarus! I personal want to speak to John about Revelation.
---Nikki on 6/26/13


Next time anyone sees Lazarus walking around dead, call me so I can have a talk with him. He must have a lot to tell me about history he saw from the grave.
---Mark_V. on 6/26/13


Cliff, Rev 9:11 Each of them were given WHITE ROBES, and they were told to be patient a little while longer until the number was filled of their fellow servants and brother who were going to be KILLED AS THEY HAD BEEN.

Who talking about God changing His Mind? God still forbids attempting to contact dead persons. As He forbids people from lying, killing, raping, stealing, idol worship and many others.
All forbidding, but people still are capable of doing them all.

Why forbid the impossible?
You only forbid a possible that isn't right.

Can you forbid your dog from talking on the phone after 10pm? Sounds silly doesn't it?
You only forbid your children who are capable of picking up the phone after 10 pm, not your dog.
---Nikki on 6/26/13


Nikki, it is no theory. it is Truth. Dead do not talk, stand up, walk, answer prayer, sing, dance, or even drive a car. They are dead. They cannot jump, either. It is a fact. Why do you think God commands us not to try to talk to the dead? Because all you are going get for an answer, will come from a demon.
Jesus is the resurrection and the life, He is God, and when He speaks thing happen. In the case of Lazarus, Jesus made him alive in order for him to respond. He did not rise dead and walked out dead. If he did, he would still be walking dead. You refuse to believe the Truth. And I understand why, you are an RCC who believes in asking prayers from dead saints. We pray to Christ because He is not dead, He is Almighty God.
---Mark_V. on 6/26/13


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The Witch of Endor simply identified Samuel from the robe he was wearing (the dead wear robes???)
I have seen a seance where the medium's voice changes imitating the dead.
God forbid the attempting to contact dead persons, He didn't change His mind!
Samuel could not talk to anyone!
---1st_cliff on 6/25/13


Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward, for the memory of them is forgotten.
neither have they any more a portion for ever in any [thing] that is done under the sun.

Psalms 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, in that very day his thoughts perish.

Job 14:21 His sons come to honour, and he knoweth [it] not,

They saw what everyone sees when they try to contact the dead, evil spirits
2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
---francis on 6/24/13


Who Francis, who?

that was not samuel who the witch saw, Samuel was dead
---francis on 6/24/13
---Nikki on 6/24/13


Lazarus was actually dead. Otherwise, it would not have been a miracle and the account would most likely have not even made it into the scriptures. There's not really anything noteworthy or miraculous about waking up a person who is merely sleeping. Lazarus was dead.
---Jed on 6/24/13


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that was not samuel who the witch saw, Samuel was dead
---francis on 6/24/13


Sorry Nikki, maybe I didn't go back far enough to get that. I just assumed we were talking about Lazarus. I will try to do better in the future. God bless
---shira4368 on 6/24/13


Thanks Shira, but I did mean Samuel. Both Lazarus and Samuel were dead.

God brought Samuel back to the witch's dismay & horror (much like Whoppie Goldberg in the movie Ghost).---Leon on 6/23/13

Leon you are CORRECT!

It was the power of God not the witch.
God can do anything He wishes.

MarkV wants to think it wasn't Samuel, but a demon pretending to be Samuel.
That is the problem with some thinking they can interpret the Scriptures. After a while, one stops interpreting, and starts adding information to the Bible to fit their theory.
---Nikki on 6/24/13


Nikki, what dead means to us in Scripture is, spiritual death, physical death, and eternal death. In each case we need to read the context. The same word means the same to God and to us. When you say that dead people rise dead, is what magician's seem to do. Jesus gave them life, and then they responded. Jesus was not a magician. He is God.
Samuel's spirit was with the Lord. His corpse had turned to dust, he could not possibly respond without God bringing him to Life. Dead corspes do not talk, hear or complain. Saul was listening to a demon impersonating Samuel, and God permitted it for His own purpose.
---Mark_V. on 6/24/13


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nikki, I think you meant Lazarus but you said Samuel. just thought I would tell you that.
---shira4368 on 6/23/13


Nikki: I see & talk to dead people all the time -- spiritually dead that is.

The witch of Endor obviously didn't summon Samuel's spirit back from the dead for Saul (I Sam. 28). God brought Samuel back to the witch's dismay & horror (much like Whoppie Goldberg in the movie Ghost).

The parable of Lazarus & the rich man clearly shows when one is dead there's no coming back. But God, beyond our understanding, does what suits His purpose, e.g., Matthew 17:3.
---Leon on 10/18/05 (Source: Paganism blogs, Dead Speak to the Living)
---Leon on 6/23/13


Nikki, dead people do not talk, think, stand up, smell, eat, all they do is stay dead. I dare you to go to a cememtary and talk to the dead and tell us what they said. You do something like it all the time. You see, Nikki, in your religion you talk to the dead saints and ask them for help and supposely they answer you. Which is a complete lie. It has always been against God for anyone trying to communicate with the dead. Only those outside of God like Saul, practice witchcraft. The real Samuel was dead already, turned to dust. The one who answered Saul could only be a demon impersonating Samuel for dead people do not talk, it is a guarantee.
---Mark_V. on 6/23/13


Wow, MarkV, you twisted that passage like a pretzel just to fit your view.
Now it is a demon?? The bible isn't afraid to state when a demon has taken over a body or impersonating one as you claim.

Then you states Samuel expressing agitation which still means HE COMPLAINED. But which is it? Samuel or the demon complaining?

Deut. 18:11: Lev. 20:6 prohibition of speaking to the dead, NOT INCAPABLE.
1 Samuel 28:11. "(witch)"whom do you want me to conjure up?" and he (Saul) answered, "Samuel.",
V 15 Samuel then said to Saul "Why do you disturb me by CONJURING ME UP?"
Why make a command if you can't do it.

Plus, Samuel told Saul the Lord abandoned him, so why ask him.
Nice try
---Nikki on 6/22/13


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Shira, I agree. Samuel was 100% Dead as well.
The Jews people had the belief that after 3 days you were finally dead.
Jesus wanted them to know He had the power over dead and life.

But, lets not think that once we are earthly dead that's it, until Jesus returns.
Samuel's disturbance in his death is recorded in the Bible. It is proof that our notion of death isn't God's notion of death.
Remember Jesus said God is the God of the living. Matthew 22:31-32.

Many here on CN claim to only believe in Only Scripture, but when shown in the Scripture they make excuses.
Samuel was 100% dead and still was talking, fussing and telling another living person their fate.
I guess he is still a prophet in life and death.
---Nikki on 6/22/13


Nikki, my goodness, you give passages in (1 Samuel 28:15-19) to make you point that dead people can hear. (Deut. 18:11: Lev. 20:6) is the prohabition of people trying to talk to the dead. Anyone who does that is practicing witchcraft. Samuels comments expresses agitation caused by Saul's effort to contact him. Witchcraft puts the seeker in contact with demons impersonating those who are being sought, since the dead person cannot ordinarily be contacted except in this unique case. Why did this happen? Because Saul did not obey the Lord.
Jesus did not talk to the dead, He brought them to life, He is the resurrection and the Life, and they responded. No dead person can answer prayer, or talk to a living person, to call on them is witchcraft.
---Mark_V. on 6/22/13


Either Lazarus was dead or Jesus was confused, mistaken, didn't have all knowledge or flat out lied.
Since none of the above is possible because Jesus is God in the Flesh, Lazarus was dead.
Jesus Himself said so, John 11:13-14. Does anyone, in their right mind, think that Jesus would lie to His disciples? Do you think a Holy God would allow a lie to be printed in His Word?
Maybe some just need to get back to reading and studying the Bible!
Lazarus was dead as Jesus said! Those who are alive in the faith will see that.
---Elder on 6/21/13


nikki, why did Jesus wait 3 days for bring Lazerus from the grave? Jesus waited 3 days so there would be no question that Jesus was performing a miracle for all to see. Jesus waited on purpose. Lazerus was dead, 100% dead. I was dead once and Christ raised me up from my sin.
---shira4368 on 6/21/13


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Dead people cannot hear, walk, talk, see, complain, jump up and down.....he was dead and smelling?---Mark_V. on 6/20/13

Correction, Martha told Jesus he would be smelling.
He wasn't.

You ignored the fact that Samuel was DEAD, TALKING, LOOKING AT SAUL AND COMPLAINING TO SAUL FOR DISTURBING HIM.
1 Samuel 28:15-19
---Nikki on 6/21/13


Nikki, what bible evidence do you have? None. You say,
"MarkV,

Dead people are not dead in spirit. We have biblical proof."
When a person dies and he is saved, his spirit goes to be with God. The dead corpse turns to dust. Dust cannot say yes or no. Dead people cannot hear, walk, talk, see, complain, jump up and down. You say,
"A dead person can complain when brought back up when he doesn't want to be. Lazarus wanted to be back with the earthly people when Jesus raised him!
That's why he didn't complain."
Where in the Bible does it say that Lazarus wanted to be back with earthly people when he was dead and smelling? Something else you made up. Like people going to heaven without Christ.
---Mark_V. on 6/20/13


MarkV,

Dead people are not dead in spirit. We have biblical proof.
A dead person can complain when brought back up when he doesn't want to be. Lazarus wanted to be back with the earthly people when Jesus raised him!
That's why he didn't complain.

1 Samuel 28:15-19
19b ..By tomorrow you and your sons will be with me,..

That is Samuel who's death is told in Chapter 25:1, but in Chapter 28 he tells Saul he and his son will be with him the next day.
Guess what?
Chapter 31 Saul and his sons are dead and buried.

This is what I mean about having the Bible as the final authority.
You all come up with strange interpretation of even death.
---Nikki on 6/17/13


-Mark_V. on 6/16/13
wow you really are an idiot!!

happy fathers day to you
---francis on 6/16/13


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francis, now you say,
"On the doctrine of Jesus' ability to raise the dead, "to bring back to life" those who have been buried, or even Cremated, there should be no disagrement amongs christians"
Now you say they were brought back to life. I asked you if they were raised and walking dead? You first said that the dead hear and walk. When Lazuras was dead, and God called him to raise up, did Lazuras say, "I want to stay dead" While dead could he deny Jesus? There is where every lost person finds himself, dead in sin. He cannot say, "I want to stay dead" while he is dead. The Spirit of God has to bring life to him first, in order for him to respond. Dead people have no free will.
---Mark_V. on 6/16/13


Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air,

Beasts have ears also, but God called them from the ground, without a preexisting consciousness.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

There was no preexisting consciousness for Adam either

God can create from nothing, and God will resurrect and call to life even those who have been cremated without a preexisting consciousness

AMEN
---francis on 6/15/13


Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward, for the memory of them is forgotten.

Ecclesiastes 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished, neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.


Psalms 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, in that very day his thoughts perish.

no conscious thought or part existed for Adam before God brought him to life from dust
---Francis on 6/14/13


Would Lazarus, or the little daughter of the Syanagogue elder, or the son of the widow of Nain, have been able to rise when Jesus called him, were there not SOME conscious part of us that survives despite physical death?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/14/13


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Amen Cluny, amen!
Very, very nice, wonderful!
Words to live by truly a wise person!

Christus resurrexit!
---TheSeg on 6/14/13


John 11:39
"Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days."

Corpses start to decay and smell really horrible after several days. This would not be the case of someone merely sleeping for a few days.
---StrongAxe on 6/14/13


A very poor friend says that he might have to be cremated at public expense.

However, he also says that the God who numbers the hairs on his head and gathers up his tears can easily call his body back into existence from the elements.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/14/13


As Christians we are to believe in the Resurrection of the dead. Read I Cor. 15

Act 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.

My hope is based on the resurrection of JESUS CHRIST and I hope on that great getting up morning to see him in my flesh.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/13/13


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On the doctrine of Jesus' ability to raise the dead, to bring back to life those who have been buried, or even Cremated, there should be no disagrement amongs christians.

eberyone should say AMEN to this, even if we do not understand how God does it

we know that He has done it, and we know that He will do it again

so lets marvel not, lets AMEN to this in faith

for once, lets not agree this
lets say AMEN, praise God
---francis on 6/13/13


YES he was dead. Jesus asked God to raise Lazarus, as one of the miracles. We do "sleep"in death, He was fully dead.
---womandisciple on 6/13/13


Bro. Seg. It is kind of funny to hear francis say:

"John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth,"
indicating people who are dust or rotten hear voices. I should Marvel at that. How can I marvel at something so absurd?
---Mark_V. on 6/13/13
It is not francis who said marvel nor
nor it is francis whose voice the dead and rotten and crimated will hear and obey

Why are you marveling?
Why are you trying to take away the divinity,and divine power fo God

Son marvel NOR!!!
---francis on 6/13/13


Mark_V. funny I'm in hysterics!
Especially when the disciples said to Christ
Joh_11:12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.

The disciples like many here, clearly believed Lazarus was sleeping!
Joh_11:13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.

These lines prove he was dead, not sleeping, but dead!
This is so they don't mistake the two!
Too no avail because as you see, they still believe he was just sleeping

Joh_11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
Lazarus is dead not sleeping but dead!
Still this is not clear to them.

I can only imagine what they believe of the death of Christ!
Peace Bro!
---TheSeg on 6/13/13


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---TheSeg on 6/12/13
It is not francis who said marvel not, It is Jesus.
So Marvel not, and do not question the power of Jesus to raise the dead. To Jesus, resurrecting the dead, is like waking one out of sleep, he calls them, they awake!

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth,

John 11:43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. And he that was dead came forth

Luke 8:52 she is not dead, but sleepeth. And he took her by the hand, and called, saying, Maid, arise. And her spirit came again, and she arose straightway

You know this is true, what else are you looking for?
---francis on 6/13/13


Bro. Seg. It is kind of funny to hear francis say:
"THE KEY THING HERE IS THIS:
MARVEL NOT!!!"
and then gives a passage:

"John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth,"
indicating people who are dust or rotten hear voices. I should Marvel at that. How can I marvel at something so absurd? Too much TV on the walking dead.
And he believes that people who are dust or rotten can hear the voice of Jesus or for that matter anyones voice. Similar to the RCC who pray to the dead. Then I hear the answers of Leon and g making those comments. Where are the genuine Christians? I do marvel at their answers.
---Mark_V. on 6/13/13


Christian, This is where you pull the old switcheroo, You finally confess that the dead are "resting in Christ" (awaiting resurrection) but vigorously defend the nonsense of literally going somewhere IE heaven or fiery hell!
---1st_cliff on 6/13/13


O dear! Think of all the people you have buried and cremated! According to your understanding of "asleep", they were not dead. That's because you said "asleep" and "dead" are synonymous.

Do you realise that the Bible doesn't use "asleep" on unbelievers but to only believers. And that's because believers are alive in Christ through regeneration though they die in the flesh.

"Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"

Btw, RIP doesn't imply you're "resting in peace" if you're an unbeliever!
---christan on 6/12/13


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"don't tell me I don't understand. scripture said he was dead and stinketh. " shira4368

And yet, it was you who said prior, ""it is a picture of our depraved self who can be saved. God is calling....do you hear Him?"

How do you then reconcile these very two comments you made, which makes no sense whatsoever? How does a "dead and stinketh" man in the form of Lazarus even hear Jesus calling him to rise and come forth is my point. What you are saying is that Lazarus (who's dead and stinketh) heard the voice of Jesus calling him and responded to the calling by rising.

How was he able to rise? Because He chose to hear the voice of Christ? Really?
---christan on 6/12/13


Jesus said Lazarus was "asleep", then He said "dead" indicating that they are synonymous ,sleeping in death to be awakened at resurrection. No mystery here!
That's why you see RIP (rest in peace)on the tomb stone!
---1st_cliff on 6/12/13


Hi all, May God bless you.
I just want to say I'm sorry again!

On 6/11/13 I said:
I guess that would depend on whether this person believes the words Christ spoke.

I now see this is wrong!
This would never have to depend on anything you believe.
That is just pure stupidly, on my part. Sorry!

Whether you believe it or not, got nothing to do with what Christ did!
Just thought I should clarify that.

And if you don't believe Lazarus was really dead maybe you'll believe these?
Mat_27:52 And the graves were opened, and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Mat_27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
Peace
---TheSeg on 6/12/13


That's right Mark, MARVEL NOT!
At anything this person says.

For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.

francis
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

Remember
Which is not another, but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
But though we
(or someone that says Michael the archangel is Christ or even if he says he's a saint),
or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

The Gospel of Christ!
---TheSeg on 6/12/13


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John 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them, even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. Quickeneth here used means "make to become alive from the dead".
---Adetunji on 6/12/13


how does a dead person obey? How does a dead person hear?
---Mark_V. on 6/12/13

THE KEY THING HERE IS THIS:
MARVEL NOT!!!

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth,

John 11:43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. And he that was dead came forth

uke 8:52 And all wept, and bewailed her: but he said, Weep not, she is not dead, but sleepeth.

Luke 8:54 And he put them all out, and took her by the hand, and called, saying, Maid, arise. And her spirit came again, and she arose straightway

MARVEL NOT
---francis on 6/12/13


"Lazurus was dead. Christ said it & I believe it.
This also points to the fact that Lazurus...heard his name & rose to the call of Christ. Lazurus [didn't] need to be given ears to hear first (like some here would like us to believe or have even stated it), Christ just spoke his name & Lazurus obeyed...There is a lot of meat in this one small story for all of us."
---g on 6/11/13


True g, there's a whole lot of meat in this story, as well as throughout the entire Bible, for those who are faithful servants of the Lord & thereby have, as Jesus repeatedly said, "ears to hear". BY FAITH in the Son of God (Jesus), Lazarus heard & ably obeyed the voice of his master.
---Leon on 6/12/13


"it is appointed to men to die once," we have in Hebrews 9:27.

Jesus said he was dead.

So, if he did die, may be he is still somewhere on this earth, if Hebrews 9:27 is literal and means each human can die, only once.

Can you "imagine" being Lazarus on this earth, all the time since then, knowing you can not die?

What would you do, if you could go anywhere and do anything, knowing you could not die?
---willie_c on 6/12/13


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The word of God/Jesus creates, commands things to being. It is one phenomenon that is greater than human understanding. Lazarus was dead, the Lord Jesus called him from the dead back to life. John 5:21.
---Adetunji on 6/12/13


christian, don't tell me I don't understand. scripture said he was dead and stinketh. Jesus waited for 3 days before he "shouted" to Lazarus. Jesus Christ is God in the flesh and God can do what He pleases. God does not do anything that is not His will. as I said, it is a picture of us dead in trespasses and sin. Jesus made me alive in the Spirit. remember Paul? I once was blind, now I see. have you ever done comparisons of good and evil. I have and there are many. good-evil,,,hot-cold.....saved-lost....dead-alive.....saved-unsaved. I have hundreds of those.
---shira4368 on 6/12/13


g, how does a dead person obey? How does a dead person hear? If all Jesus did was say, "come forth" and Lazuras came forward without been alive, does that mean he came forward dead? He had to be made alive in order for him to respond. Jesus whole point on the subject of Lazuras was so that those who were witnesses could believe, that Jesus was the resurrection and the life. If He did not give life to Lazuras, that would mean Lazuras was walking around dead. Jesus is the resurrection and the Life. "He who believe in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me, shall never die. Do you believe this? (John 11:25,26).
---Mark_V. on 6/12/13


If Lazarus was not dead when they buried him then the grave wrap and chemicals that was used killed him.
Does anyone really think his family would have allowed him to be buried if he was just "sleeping" as we know sleep? Do we think they didn't know for sure?
Jesus said very plainly, "He is dead!"
So, he was dead. He was what I call "Mortuary Dead!!"
---Elder on 6/12/13


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"it is a picture of our depraved self who can be saved. God is calling....do you hear Him?" shira4368

Obviously, you don't understand "Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is DEAD." How does the "DEAD" hear God calling him? Did Lazarus come to life because He heard Jesus calling? Or was it the power of God who raised Lazarus from the dead? What will does a dead man even have?

The state of the man is as plain as Paul's declaration, "DEAD in trespass and sin". If your spirit is "DEAD" to God, how do you even hear His words? Jesus said, "...the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
---christan on 6/12/13


Jewish tradition if a person is still dead, or not shown any movement for more than 3 days he will not return to life.
That's why Jesus waited until the forth day, so there wasn't any mistaken of him being dead or not.
No one can say he was asleep, or the like.

Forget Lazarus. God brought a boy back to life for his widow mother through Elijah's prayers.
1 Kings 17:22
The Lord heard the prayer of Elijah, the life breath returned to the child's body and he revived.

Genesis 2:7b and blew into his nostrils the breath of life, and so man became a living being.
---Nikki on 6/12/13


When you think of it this account also tells us who Jesus is. Lazarus was dead and gone, stinking, but Jesus called him forth, back to life. This was not a healing but a recreation of Lazarus. Easy enough for Jesus our creator.

"What sort of man is this, that even winds and sea obey him?" Matthew 8:27. As Jesus is the Creator of nature it of course will obey Him. He was with them so long and most missed who was among them.
---Warwick on 6/11/13


Lazurus was dead. Christ said it and I believe it.
This also points to the fact that Lazurus being dead, heard his name and rose to the call of Christ. Lazurus did not need to be given ears to hear first (like some here would like us to believe or have even stated it), Christ just spoke his name and Lazurus obeyed. If Lazurus had not oebeyed, he would have stayed dead.
There is a lot of meat in this one small story for all of us.
---g on 6/11/13


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lazarus was dead for 3 days. Jesus waited for 3 days even He knew his friend had died.
Christ waited til he stank then he called with a loud voice for lazarus to come forth. it is a picture of our depraved self who can be saved. God is calling....do you hear Him?
---shira4368 on 6/11/13


"...This one looks like an open and shut case to me. The man was DEAD!"
---Pharisee on 6/11/13


Most definitely! The Son of God, Jesus said so as well as Lazarus's eyewitness sisters Martha & Mary. (Jn. 11:4-38)
---Leon on 6/11/13


Jesus was drawing a parallel between sleep and death:

When you went to sleep last night (if you didn't dream) an interval of time passed by that you have no recollection of! Same with death and resurrection!
Rip Van Winkle is reputed to have slept 20 years, people have been in a coma for years without a conscious recollection of time.
That's the parallel!
---1st_cliff on 6/11/13


Those who say Lazarus was but asleep are deceivers who ignore any inconvenient Scripture as Seg and Pharisee have shown.

From my experience such nonsense is only proposed by BiblioSceptics whose master creates in them the need to undermine Scripture. We know where such faithless ones are headed, and they have nothing to teach us.
---Warwick on 6/11/13


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firsr of all MARVEL NOT
is what God says about that



John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth,

John 11:43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. And he that was dead came forth

uke 8:52 And all wept, and bewailed her: but he said, Weep not, she is not dead, but sleepeth.

Luke 8:54 And he put them all out, and took her by the hand, and called, saying, Maid, arise. And her spirit came again, and she arose straightway
---francis on 6/11/13


"What say you?" Lazarus was dead. Jesus prayed. Lazarus was raised from the dead. Jesus called. Lazarus heard the call to come forth. Lazarus obeyed.
---Josef on 6/11/13


I guess that would depend on whether this person believe the words Christ spoke.
These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth, but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.

(Which I believe is what is being said!)
Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
(Not sleeping but, DEAD!
And added!)

And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe, nevertheless let us go unto him.

(And so am I, glad, it's clear!)
Peace
---TheSeg on 6/11/13


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