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The saying goes: Control a man's wife and you control a man's life. Is that true?

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cliff, the Lamb of God in symbolic because Lamb of God is referred in the bible.
---shira4368 on 6/25/13


Cliff your sceptical lack of faith comes to the fore again in your reply to Nikki. Do you imagine that the God who provides us everything we need for survival (and more) on this planet He spoke into existence, cannot likewise provide the same anywhere?

Do you remember the OT where Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego were thrown into the fiery furnace and not burned?

You limit God, exercising precious little faith, and as Scripture says "that which is not of faith is of sin" and "the wages of sin is death."

Time to repent my friend.
---Warwick on 6/25/13


Nikki, Again using the word lamb is metaphorical for Christ (the figurative lamb sacrificed) so the trees river etc.. is also figurative!
I hope you don't think New Jerusalem is a literal city! Why? well it's 1500miles cubed! meaning 5 times higher than the space station and occupying an area from Buffalo to Miami (just one side)etc. We have difficulty breathing at 10,000 feet!
---1st_cliff on 6/25/13


Nikki, Revelation is almost completely symbolic.
Why assume this is in heaven?..They are earthly things. If you take it literally then we must assume that a "lamb" will rule and people are divided into "nations" there!---1st_cliff

Most of Revelation is symbolic and some has already happened.
But Revelation 22 is shown how wonderful the New Jerusalem will be.
The Lamb is a title used as everyone knows Jesus is the Lamb.
Many people used the named Jesus, but only one person was known as the Lamb. Jesus Christ the Lamb.

But the New Jerusalem still uses Food and Medicine for us.

We will have our glorified bodies as Jesus.
He was eating after He rose from the dead.
So, why can't we?
---Nikki on 6/25/13


It is so ungodly for humans to control other human beings! It is called tyranny and oppression.
---Catherine on 6/24/13




Nikki, Revelation is almost completely symbolic.
Why assume this is in heaven?
Rivers? trees leaves? They are earthly things. If you take it literally then we must assume that a "lamb" will rule and people are divided into "nations" there!
---1st_cliff on 6/24/13


Nikki, you assume that people in heaven are sick and in need of medicine, that is not true at all.---Mark_V. on 6/24/13


So explain Revelation 22:2

..down the middle of its street. On either side of the river grew the TREE of LIFE that produces FRUIT twelve times a year, once each month, the leaves of the trees serve as MEDICINE for the nations.

We are in Heaven, why do we need food or medicine?---Nikki on 6/21/13

It is odd. Don't argue with me. I am just saying the Bible states medicine in Heaven.

I don't pretend to know everything. I just pointing out an odd passage.
---Nikki on 6/24/13


Leon: 'Control a man's wife and you control a man's life. Is that true?'

Can't be answered directly

It will logically depend first of all on who is more on control of the marriage - in some cases it is the husband, where controlling the wife makes her a problem.

If though the wife is in control, then controlling the does mean controlling the man as well.

But I don't think it is possible to say a yea or nea for all cases.

For marriages from Eph 5 or 1 Cor 11, ideally the statement should not be valid, but it would still make the man very unhappy and make him want to 'live on the corner of the roof' Prov 25:24 (if a wife is controlled by another, there is a good chance she will become quarrelsome, I suspect).
---Peter9556 on 6/24/13


Nikki, you assume that people in heaven are sick and in need of medicine, that is not true at all. When the Bible speaks of healing most of the time, is healing of the soul. The food it provides is everlasting life, not food for a physical body which is hungry. The body will be a spiritual glorified body that lives forever.
---Mark_V. on 6/24/13


1Cliff, you are correct, Adam knew that if he disobeyed it was wrong, yet he still ate willingly. God made it pretty clear, to not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. And since God is omniscient, knowing all things, He knew man would take and eat.
If God didn't want Adam to eat of that tree period, He would not have created the tree. And since we are told that Jesus Christ was foreknown as a sacrifice for sin before the foundation of the world, we know that God knew Adam would eat and that He would put a curse on mankind for the disobedience of Adam. And that through Jesus would come redemption. God would then be able to display His justice, mercy, and His unlimited love for many.
---Mark_V. on 6/24/13




1st Cliff, the fact that once they ate, they knew they were naked and were ashamed. They weren't ashamed before eating were they? And God asked, WHO told you you were naked? Well, the answer is THEIR OWN CONSCIENCE did.

Yes, they were told what would happen if they ate from that particular tree. And yes, they did it anyway, but doesn't scripture say what happened immediately after they ate? Something happened to them, before God even spoke to them....

It may sound stupid to you, but all we know is what we are told. They knew they were naked and hid.
---kathr4453 on 6/23/13


That's rather a foolish argument, that they only knew right and wrong AFTER they sinned!
They could not be held accountable for doing wrong (disobeying) if they didn't know the difference.
They knew full well that there was a penalty for doing wrong, but they did it anyway! Willful!
---1st_cliff on 6/23/13


What does that verse mean, "to become like one of us".

The moment they ate their "conscience" awoke to know the difference between good and evil, right and wrong. Romans 1 and 2 also verify this as well, long before any Law of Moses was put in place. So the Idea that man's conscience died to know good and evil is false doctrine. To KNOW both Good and Evil proves no such thing as total depravity exists.

Otherwise scripture would say, to know ONLY EVIL becoming totally depraved.

Scripture doesn't say, "to become like one of us"...and end the sentence there, but explains in what way they/we do become like God, that is, to know GOOD from EVIL, right from wrong.
---kathr4453 on 6/21/13


"Behold, the man has become like One of Us, to know good and evil.---Mark_V.

But are we truly like God?
Do we know all the good and all the evil? No
Man was innocent and didn't know there was evil in the world. They were protected in the garden.

Your child when he or she was 2 years old didn't know the evil outside their home.
Now they know just as you.
Question: In heaven we will live forever and never get sick right?
So explain Revelation 22:2

..down the middle of its street. On either side of the river grew the TREE of LIFE that produces FRUIT twelve times a year, once each month, the leaves of the trees serve as MEDICINE for the nations.

We are in Heaven, why do we need food or medicine?
---Nikki on 6/21/13


"The saying goes: Control a man's wife and you control a man's life. Is that true?

Okay! I suppose the saying must be true since no one here wants to address it head on. There's a lot of main subject avoidance (denial)
---Leon on 6/21/13


It never mentions that he had eaten from that tree before he ate of the Tree of knowledge of good and evil. Eating of the Tree of knowledge one time brought sin, eating from the Tree of Life once would have brought eternal life in sin.

---Mark_V. on 6/21/13


exactly, and it would have made it impossible for Jesus to come as our redeemer and DIE and rise again.

They would have lived forever in a sinful state without any means of dying with Christ and raised up a NEW CREATURE.

MarkV is correct.
---kathr4453 on 6/21/13


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Nikki, The passage does not teach they had to keep eating from the tree of life to live forever. The passage.
"Then the Lord God said, "Behold, the man has become like One of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the Tree of Life, and eat, and live forever, therefore the Lord God sent him out of the garden of Eden to till the ground from which he was taken" (Gen. 3:22,23).
If he reached out and took of the Tree of Life he would live forever. It never mentions that he had eaten from that tree before he ate of the Tree of knowledge of good and evil. Eating of the Tree of knowledge one time brought sin, eating from the Tree of Life once would have brought eternal life in sin.
---Mark_V. on 6/21/13


MarkV, if I tell you can get this soup and live forever.
But, sometime later you are not allowed to get the soup and ended up dying.

I didn't say if you eat the soup once you will live forever.
I am saying as long as you eat the soup you will live to forever. Once you stop eating it, you die.
You died because you are not eating the soup to keep you alive forever.
We need food to live. It doesn't mean eating food once is enough to stay alive.
Just the fact that eating food keeps us alive.

I just know that Adam and Eve were allowed to the fruit.
The Bible also doesn't say they DIDN'T eat the fruit.
---Nikki on 6/21/13


Leon, men need to take responsibility for their own actions..is the saying true ? No.

People here have answered your question.
---kathr4453 on 6/20/13


The saying goes: Control a man's wife and you control a man's life. Is that true?

Okay! I suppose the saying must be true since no one here wants to address it head on. There's a lot of main subject avoidance (denial) happening here. :)
---Leon on 6/20/13


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You got it backwards. Jesus is the 2ND ADAM! Not Adam the 1st christ. Keep it in order!Nikki////


MarkV, one would have to be seriously learning disabled to come up with that as an answer to anything stated here.


Also scripture says Jesus is the LAST Adam, not second Adam.

And there isn't a second Christ either, there is only ONE CHRIST, that is Jesus Christ the LAST ADAM. Not the "created" one made out of dirt, suggesting God created himself????
---kathr4453 on 6/20/13


Nikki, you are correct in one part. Adam was not the first Christ. He was only Adam, the first man. Jesus was considered the second Adam. But you are wrong when you said,
"God kicked them out to stop them from continue to eat from the tree of life.
Gen 2:16-17 "You are free to eat from any of the trees of the garden except the tree of knowledge of good and bad."

Nowhere are we told that Adam and Eve ever ate from the tree of life. They were given permission but if they had eaten from the tree of life they would have lived forever, and as we know they died, spiritually the day they ate, and physically about 800 years later.
---Mark_V. on 6/20/13


Nikki, I know what I believe, and nothing you say can change that. I SAID I BELIEVE Adam is a type/shadow of Jesus. Conversation here with you is OVER. GOT THAT????
---kathr4453 on 6/19/13

Good, then you won't reply.
No one is trying to change you. That's impossible. Faith comes from God not from someone telling you something.


So Nikki, you say Adam already ate from the tree of life? Sounds like one bite here meant they would live forever, not until they needed another bite Does forever mean temporary?--kathr4453 on 6/19/13

Argue with God not me. It is written as He wanted to be written. All was allowed except the tree of knowledge.
---Nikki on 6/19/13


The blog question isn't just about Adam & Eve. As we all know, since they were the first people, sin impacted them first! BUT, the broader question is what kind of impact has their sin made on us today in the family (husband, wife, children) arena? Bear in mind, the devil who manipulated & gained control over Adam & Eve is yet actively seeking to CONTROL (dominate, dictate & destroy) our lives today.
---Leon on 6/19/13


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A servent, you say,
" It is wrong of you to call Adam a coward, as this is God's decision and not yours." are you saying it's God's decision only to call Adam a coward? What are you saying? Then say,
" Did not Eve also blame the serpent as Adam blamed her?" Eve did blame the serpent, she had been deceived, by the serpent. Adam was not deceived by anyone. God put him in charge. Then say,
" We are all cowards my friend. We are all snakes, the same Man who fell for you fell for Adam too" We are not snakes, we are children of God. Adam tried to take the blame off of himself and blamed God for giving him the woman. He was a coward.
---Mark_V. on 6/19/13


Nikki, sounds like you're the confused one saying things I never said... Nikki, you have taken this conversation places I've never even heard of...like the RCC teaching that women never sacrifice for men, but men for women and THAT is why women are not priests.... And then some saying like "Jee willy joy in Adam's sin" or something so juvenile like that.

Nikki, I know what I believe, and nothing you say can change that. I SAID I BELIEVE Adam is a type/shadow of Jesus. THEREFORE Nikki, no confusion could possibly be made on my part that the First adam was Christ. You like so many here LOVE TO TWIST and LIE just to FIGHT.

Conversation here with you is OVER.

GOT THAT????
---kathr4453 on 6/19/13


Genesis 3:22
And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:.

So Nikki, you say Adam already ate from the tree of life? Sounds like one bite here meant they would live forever, not until they needed another bite Does forever mean temporary?


Genesis 3:24
So he drove out the man, and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
---kathr4453 on 6/19/13


Kathr, confused?
They didn't know they were naked. until after they sinned by eating the forbidden fruit.

You got it backwards. Jesus is the 2ND ADAM! Not Adam the 1st christ. Keep it in order!

There were 2 trees. Did you forget?
God kicked them out to stop them from continue to eat from the tree of life.
Gen 2:16-17 "You are free to eat from any of the trees of the garden except the tree of knowledge of good and bad."

The tree of life is included in any of the trees of the garden.
BTW the Trinue God isn't
Adam, Eve and God.

God the Father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit. Matt 28:19
Stay focus!

Leon, I wasn't answering the question posted, but Kathr's odd statement.
---Nikki on 6/18/13


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A Servant, I totally agree with your post.

nikki, you actually believe it was God's plan to have two people forever living naked in the Garden of Eden?

Christ was for-ordained from before the foundation for the world to die for the sin of man, I actually believe God had bigger and better plans for man than that. That is to bring them into GLORY, something NEVER promised to Adam/Eve. And yes, again I believe like others that Adam was a TYPE of Christ, just as the church is taken out of the side of Christ, bone of His Bone flesh of His Flesh, a mystery you obviously don't understand to begin with, or understand Ephesians at all, I'm not at all surprised at your answer.
---kathr4453 on 6/18/13


Kathr, yes Adam and Eve would be alive today if they didn't eat the fruit Nikki////

Are you sure? Weren't they taken out of the Garden before they ate of that OTHER TREE that would make them live forever? So you really can't be positive they would be alive today. And what you are saying is you believe Adam/Eve were GODS, even higher than the Angels that fell into sin. And you think YOU are somehow above them by your own personal condemnation of them, making yourself a god. Yet 1st Corinthians 15 says they were "carnal" NOT SPITITUAL beings, and Hebrews says made below the angels. Yet as saved IN CHRIST we NOW have a place ABOVE the Angels. Why reward us more in the end than at the beginning?
---kathr4453 on 6/18/13


Leon, God placed Adam in charge. Adam allowed Eve to get tricked by satan. ---Nikki///

Adam was not deceived, but willfully died with Eve. What LOVE for her that must have been. Just as Christ laid down His life for His Bride. May want to read Ephesians !


Really Nikki, Adam ALLOWED Eve to get tricked? what bible are you reading from?

Maybe God allowed Eve to get tricked by allowing the serpent to enter in the Garden in the first place.

Nikki, "SIN" entered the universe LONG BEFORE Adam & Eve sinned. Praise God in the New Heaven and earth, nothing evil, sin etc will ever be able to "ENTER IN", so says Revelation. SIN and death will be dealt with once and for all.
---kathr4453 on 6/18/13


Kathr, yes Adam and Eve would be alive today if they didn't eat the fruit.
The tree would still be there for them to have the freewill to continue to obey God or not.
Still naked. No shame.
As for having children? My opinion would be -No.
Why would they? They didn't before the fall.
Remember we don't know how long they were in the garden. Centuries maybe.

I don't understand your 2nd post explanation of me. It is strange.
Please explain.
---nikki on 6/18/13


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Yes MarkV.
That's why the RCC does not allow women priests.
Jesus is the new Adam to teach men how to sacrifice for His Bride.
Not the bride for husband. The bride will follow, but not lead.
God had the plan before the fall.
That's what we mean when we say 'oh happy fault of Adam's sin.
---nikki on 6/18/13


Nikki: I still don't see how what you've said connects the dots as relates to the blog question. FYI, the question isn't just about Adam & Eve. As we all know, since they were the first people, sin impacted them first! But, the broader question is what kind of impact has their sin made on us today in the family (husband, wife, children) arena? Bear in mind, the devil who manipulated & gained control over them is yet actively seeking to CONTROL (dominate, dictate & destroy) our lives today.

Thanks for the response & presentation of your views. :)
---Leon on 6/18/13


First of all, Adam's sin was unveiled and not hidden from him yes, but his blame-placing on the woman was because of his fear of disappointing his God, which (though not to be repealed or excused), should not be pointed fingers at. Adam was the first perfect man and Jesus was the last. One fell with humanity and the other fell so humanity didn't have to. The same sins of Adam are the same as yours and mine. It is wrong of you to call Adam a coward, as this is God's decision and not yours. Did not Eve also blame the serpent as Adam blamed her? We are all cowards my friend. We are all snakes, the same Man who fell for you fell for Adam too.
---A_servant on 6/18/13


Nikki, very good points you gave. Adam was the person whom God gave to be in charge of all things. He was not deceived, he sinned because he wanted to sin. God knew if He commanded man not to eat, that he would disobey and eat, since Jesus Christ was foreknown as a sacrifice for sin before the foundation of the world. God been Omniscient, knowing all things, knew Adam would sin and the reason He provided a way of redemption for man before the foundation of the world. Adam was our representative not Eve. And he sure blamed God for giving him Eve. Adam was not only a chicken as the saying goes, but also a coward.
---Mark_V. on 6/18/13


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Leon, God placed Adam in charge. Adam allowed Eve to get tricked by satan. Then when they both ate the fruit and there eyes were open they HID!

Note, God wasn't calling Eve. He was calling Adam. Why?
Because God knew he was in charge.
Now, I am not saying I wouldn't have hid myself as well, but I would be a CHICKEN as well.

God wants an answer. What does Adam do?
He has the hutzpah to blame God and Eve for eating fruit.

There is a reason the saying states:
'Take it like a MAN!'
'MAN UP!'
'You are acting like a woman.'
I couldn't believe Kathr gave Adam credit for dying for Eve?????
Not in my Bible! Thus: The big Chicken

Jesus came to undo Adam's sin.
He took it like a Man and DIE LIKE A MAN!
---Nikki on 6/18/13


I think what Nikki is saying is God was so shocked at Adam and Eve's sin, that they panicked and said, OH MY GOSH, now what will we do. Then God said, I KNOW, why don't you go and be born of a virgin, die on a cross, and die for their sin and rise again so that we can reward them even greater than Adam & Eve and this time YOU go live in them and they will become SONS, no longer claymations and, we'll bring them "up here to live with us" for all eternity as a NEW CREATURE living in the NEW CREATION, in the NEW Heaven and earth where NO EVIL can enter in....not even a serpent to deceive anyone.
---kathr4453 on 6/18/13


Nikki, question. If Adam and Eve never sinned, would they be alive today? Would they still be naked today? Would they have children today? Would they still be living in the Garden today? Would the trees still be there?

If they had children, what would have happened if little George ate the apple, or Susie? , the great great grand children ?

Just curious as to how deep/shallow your understanding is?
---kathr4453 on 6/18/13


Please explain further Nikki. That blew right over my head. Thx! :)
---Leon on 6/17/13


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Oh happy fault. Which means the sin of Adam and Eve, which brought Jesus into our humanity
---Nikki on 6/17/13


"...He sure did know what he was doing. The big chicken.
Adam didn't laid down his life for Eve. He blamed God for causing him to sin because God gave Eve to him..."
--Nikki on 6/17/13


Why do you call Adam a chicken Nikki? :)
---Leon on 6/17/13


Just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned - (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come., But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man's offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. ----


I actually love God's plan He had before Adam & Eve were ever created. So do I sit and complain about Adam & Eve....for pete sakes NO!
---kathr4453 on 6/17/13


Adam willingly laid down his life for Eve, knowing full well what he was doing.---kathr4453 on 6/17/13

He sure did know what he was doing. The big chicken.
Adam didn't laid down his life for Eve. He blamed God for causing him to sin because God gave Eve to him.

What Bible are you reading?
---Nikki on 6/17/13


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To Control:
To dictate, dominate, oppress, rule over, command, regulate, govern over.
Nowhere does scripture ever make such statements about Eve. Adam willingly laid down his life for Eve, knowing full well what he was doing. Just as Jesus laid down His life for His bride, also knowing full well what He was doing.
---kathr4453 on 6/17/13


"...this saying is not biblically grounded in any way, it is not what Jesus wishes us to live by, true or not."
---A_servant on 6/17/13


A_servant: Thx for your input. True, we won't find this saying verbatim in the Bible. But, Genesis 3 clearly shows how the serpent manipulated & gained control over Eve's thoughts, & by the great wooing influence Eve had upon Adam, the 1st man also succumbed to the serpent/devil/satan's control. Our present lives in this SIN SICK WORLD have been under the influence & control of the devil (god of this world) ever since Adam's original sin.

So, it's very true, if one controls a man's wife he/she controls a man's life. It's done every day, in every way imaginable!
---Leon on 6/17/13


It depends on the man.

If she is his helpmate, helping him get real with God, like a lady of Jesus can do > 1 Peter 3:1-4 > she won't be easily controlled in a bad way.

The Christian way of "control" can be like is described in 1 Corinthians 7:4, this along with Ephesians 5:21.

(c:
---willie_c: on 6/17/13


God commands respect and love for spouses, not control. Spouses are supposed to shape and strengthen each other's lives, not mold them. As this saying is not biblically grounded in any way, it is not what Jesus wishes us to live by, true or not.
---A_servant on 6/17/13


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Leon, exactly what truth are you referring to. I see no scripture posted here. And exactly, "who's " SAYING IS THIS? Then you go off on your last post as one who himself is self described in that post.

No one can control anyone except that person allows another to control them. Therefore, any man controlled by his wife for any reason is a weak man allowing himself to be controlled.
---kathr4453 on 6/17/13


Leon, exactly what truth are you referring to. I see no scripture posted here. And exactly, "who's " SAYING IS THIS? Then you go off on your last post as one who himself is self described in that post.

No one can control anyone except that person allows another to control them. Therefore, any man controlled by his wife for any reason is a weak man allowing himself to be controlled.
---kathr4453 on 6/17/13


So if an employer controls someone's wife at her job, he has control over the woman's husband?

Wow, this question is strange?

I believe the woman makes the man. So often you hear men give so much credit to their wives for their successes etc. certainly can't be because SHE is controlled by anything other than her own character, and of a Christian, than filled with the Holy Spirit. Again even the Holy Spirit doesn't CONTROL anyone unless that person has willingly submitted to the leading of the Holy Spirit.

You can TRY to control our children ...try I said, but good luck with that 24/7/365.
---kathr4453 on 6/16/13


Lord, where are some of these obtuse bloggers at?! Are they in mental institutions, in nursing or group homes, or just living at home alone, lonely, & in a warped state of mind. Are they in correctional or otherwise rehab facilities? Some appear to be in a state of being English language challenged. No matter where, please bless them real good so they may come to understand what YOU would have them to know. Just maybe some need to know they need to listen, learn & discern your truth instead of trying to interpret that which they have no understanding of. I don't know, but you do, so bless them really, really good! Amen, & thank you Lord!!!
---Leon on 6/16/13


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Leon, I find a very happy place answering blogs like yours. From past experience I know you enjoy blogs that need for man to add or take away from Scripture, just to see what others will say, so that you can give your own opinions. Here the "saying" you say people say can only bring division. I don't care how many times you say it doesn't.
"Control a man's wife and you control a man's life" you never said who was "you" who can control a man's life.
---Mark_V. on 6/16/13


No Mark! You, like Emily Litella, really haven't a clue as to what I'm talking about. Find your happy place & have a good day! :)
---Leon on 6/15/13


Leon, I understood your question very well, and the comments you made concerning woman, you even said,
"Yes, the serpent adeptly controlled Adam's wife (Eve) to the destruction of the first family & all of mankind. Satan is still aggressively merchandising lies & guess what? A great many are yet coming thru wives, to husbands, via the global/worldwide marketplace." Blaming Eve for the destruction of the first family when we are told the fall of man came through Adam. Mankind is fallen because of Adam not Eve. You were speaking of man and woman, not children controlling parents. Now your comments have changed. Great. I still believe that saying only brings answers dividing man and woman. But it's your party.
---Mark_V. on 6/15/13


You're welcome Darlene. :)

It's my Bible understanding that no one, except God, should be IN CONTROL of the lives of married people (husbands & wives): not our friends, not our siblings, not our children, not our parents, not our employers, not our clergy or anyone else. While we all should submit ourselves, as law abiding citizens, to governments instituted by God for our protection & other types of non-governmental forces for our social/economic & spirit-soul well-being, "only God" has the authority & right to control us (single or married).
---Leon on 6/14/13


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"...from birth [children] learn how to control parents with tantrums & crying!...now, at least in [Canada], you can't administer corporal punishment!"
---1st_cliff on 6/14/13


Cliff: I thank God & then owe my parents a great debt of gratitude for "lovingly" BEATING THE DEVIL OUT OF ME when I was a child. Back then (in the '50s) it was called disciplinary action! Children knew where they stood & what was expected of them in the pecking order.

Maybe this why the juvenile & criminal justice correctional institutions are full to overflowing/bursting at the seams. Parents who spare the rod HATE their children, but parents who LOVE them discipline (CORRECT) them promptly. (Pv. 13:24)
---Leon on 6/14/13


Leon I understand it can be anything or anyone,but in more times than not it would be another man that gets that kind of control. I'm sure you're right girlfriends or others could get that kind of control but for that control women must submit themselves completely and few women I have known have given another woman that type of control. If so I think it would be a very needy situation. Thanks for the input and clearing up your meaning.
---Darlene_1 on 6/14/13


Right from birth a child learns how to control it's parents with tantrums and crying! Even more so now at least in this country, you can't administer corporal punishment!
---1st_cliff on 6/14/13


"...whoever made that saying wanted to put woman down. [?!] No spouse should control the other..."
---Mark_V. on 6/14/13


You obviously don't understand the question Mark. Please reread objectively not subjectively.

"My husband doesn't have trouble with his wife & I don't have trouble with my husband...No I don't think that saying is true because if a woman is a loyal wife she won't let another man get close enough to her to control her."
---Darlene_1 on 6/14/13


You miss the point Darlene. It's not necessarily another man. Sometimes it's one's girlfriend(s) or even children doing the controlling. :)
---Leon on 6/14/13


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I believe whoever made that saying wanted to put woman down. No spouse should control the other. It is not about control. God is in control and He should be controlling the lives of both. Mankind is fallen because of Adam, not Eve.
"Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned." (Rom. 5:12).
This kind of sayings only bring division among the Christians. They have no place in the body of Christ.
---Mark_V. on 6/14/13


My husband doesn't have trouble with his wife and I don't have trouble with my husband. There doesn't have to be control in our family because there is respect and love. My husband is considerate of what I need or want and I am the same with him. We don't limit what the other may or may not do because we know we can trust each other. No I don't think that saying is true because if a woman is a loyal wife she won't let another man get close enough to her to control her.
---Darlene_1 on 6/14/13


Willie: I know the majority of wives wield a considerable about of influence over their husbands. The blog point is the serpent "sold" Eve (convinced her to "buy") a lie. She in turn persuaded Adam to "pay attention" & go along (swallow the lie) with her. We know the rest of the story. Bad move! To say the least, that little bit of serpentine, marketplace MANeuvering caused them to loose their garden home.

Yes, the serpent adeptly controlled Adam's wife (Eve) to the destruction of the first family & all of mankind. Satan is still aggressively merchandising lies & guess what? A great many are yet coming thru wives, to husbands, via the global/worldwide marketplace.
---Leon on 6/13/13


If she controls his life, you could control him by controlling her.

But she can't be controlled unless there is something that has her under its power. If money controls her, you might control her by controlling money, for one example. If she is desperate for honey and attention . . .

"I will not be brought under the power of any," Paul says in 1 Corinthians 6:12.

But if her man is not controlled by things of his life, but is submitting to God, then he will take advantage of whatever nonsense you and she might do, and with God turn it to God's use.
---willie_c on 6/12/13


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"Leon if it was woman who was at 'such fault & trouble' why does the Bible say...sin entered the world by one man, Adam?...sounds [like] you have some problems with women. Do you?"
---Elder on 6/12/13


Elder: Sounds like you have a godly wife. Good, you're blessed! Not every man can say that. For many husbands, the snake is still in their garden/home & regularly speaking subtleties to their wives daily. Many husbands in 2013, like Adam, BUY into the devil's schemes that come thru their wives.

What man doesn't have "some" problems with women? :) This isn't just a "Leon" problem as you claim. It's a Satan orchestrated deception that leads to the wholesale destruction of marriages...
---Leon on 6/12/13


bro elder, your wife is one of the sweetest people I have ever met. she is so humble, I sometimes am ashamed I can't be like her. if even a percent of women are like her, divorce would be obsolete. I'm going to check my skymiles. I think I have a free trip. I must go to my brothers next week. he is having surgery on his eyes and he won't be able to drive. wow, I got to slow down but I don't have time for that. will get in touch after next week.
---shira4368 on 6/12/13


Leon if it was woman who was at "such fault and trouble" why does the Bible say that sin entered the world by one man, Adam?
My wife is controled only by one person, God Himself. She summits to Him and me. She obeys the Word of God. I do not dictate to her. I allow her to be creative and express her views and thoughts. She has never done me evil all of our days.
It sounds as if you have some problems with women. Do you?
---Elder on 6/12/13


Cliff: It worked so good in the garden, the devil continued using the same tactic over-n-over, throughout the Bible. He's yet using it to trick (deceive) & ensnare married people today in enumerable marketplaces (all manner of MARTS), & the egalitarian feminist (women's lib) movement has significantly impacted God-designated "male only" leadership roles in a great many church-houses...
---Leon on 6/11/13


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I have never heard this saying. I think Leon made it up.
---KarenD on 6/11/13


Ask Adam Karen. Don't you think he was literally the first man to realize he'd been set up by the devil (who used his woman) for a deadly upset?

Leon, I think satan originated this saying in Eden, huh?
---1st_cliff on 6/11/13


For sure Cliff he was the catalyst! :) Certainly, the devil's deception gave Adam something to think about like, "What just happened?". Then he realized the woman...The serpent had fatally sucker punched him thru Eve.
---Leon on 6/11/13


It seems both an evil and a dangerous thing to try

Now of course, of one IS able to control someones wife, especially to make one's wife sad, it will bring destruction on the man as well (as in prov 25:24).

But that is an evil idea
---Peter9556 on 6/11/13


Leon, I think satan originated this saying in Eden, huh?
---1st_cliff on 6/11/13


I have never heard this saying. I think Leon made it up.
---KarenD on 6/11/13


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"Leon, I'd like to see someone try to control my wife.....lots of luck!"
---1st_cliff on 6/11/13


Cliff: Does your wife like (maybe even love) to shop? :)

"Not quite understanding the question."
---Love.wins on 6/11/13


It's not complicated. Is the statement true? Yes or no? Either way, why?


"That's just sick Leon. Women were not put on this earth to be "controlled"! Yes, in marriage we "submit to each other in love" but men are wrong when they aim to control us..."
---Mary on 6/11/13


I don't think you understood the question. I'm not suggesting anything of the sort. But, I do see it as an age old (devilish) scheme.
---Leon on 6/11/13


Leon, I'd like to see someone try to control my wife.....lots of luck!
---1st_cliff on 6/11/13


Not quite understanding the question..
---Love.wins on 6/11/13


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