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Can We Trust The Scripture

Why is sola Scriptura useful to all of God's children? Is Scripture final authority? or is man's traditions equal to the authority of God's Word? In other words, are new revelations found outside of what was revealed by God's Word? Give reasons why it is, or why it is not.

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StrongAxe, by writing "Whether or not Peter did so was beside the point" has you saying Peter is not to be trusted. Maybe his writings are likewise not Scripture? Who else do you discard?

It is not just that Paul was under God's protection but that He was miraculously saved, and totally turned around to serve God. His life was one of servitude guided by God. Considering also that Paul gives the most detailed rendition of the gospel, from Adam to Christ (and other vital subjects) I think it impossible his writings were but his own thoughts.

It has nothing to do with his "ego" but his submission in following and serving The Lord.
---Warwick on 6/19/13


Warwick:

I didn't say anything about whether or not Paul was under God's protection or had his approval. I was only speaking about whether Paul considered his own writings "scripture" at the time he was writing them. I don't see any evidence that he did. (Whether or not Peter did so was beside the point).
---StrongAxe on 6/19/13


\\It would be better for you, if you knew the apostle Paul better than the writers of your "history books"\\

Paul is appealing, but you are appalling.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/19/13


//Jesus Christ is my salvation//
In a "history book"?

//I don't know what you mean by this. Do you?//
It means that cruifix you have with a figure of Christ on it.

//The important thing is that I know Jesus. Would you like me to introduce you to him?//\
Would you please?
---michael_e on 6/19/13


\\So you are actually betting your salvation on "history books" that you don't know if they are true or not?\\

Jesus Christ is my salvation.

\\Not if you still have Him hanging on a cross.\\

I don't know what you mean by this. Do you?

||It would be better for you, if you knew the apostle Paul better than the writers of your "history books"||

The important thing is that I know Jesus. Would you like me to introduce you to him?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/19/13




God never said that we should believe those who have visions and dreams.
---Mark_V. on 6/19/13
Numbers 12:6 If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.

Are we not to listen to the prophets of God?

Isaiah 1:1 The vision of Isaiah
Daniel 2:19 Then was the secret revealed unto Daniel in a night vision
Habbakuk 2:2 And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make [it] plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it.

Mark_V contention for contenion sake is killing your post
---francis on 6/19/13


So you are actually betting your salvation on "history books" that you don't know if they are true or not?
//And I might well know Jesus better than you do, too.//
Not if you still have Him hanging on a cross.
//I know He knows ME and the writers of Orthodox books better than you do//
Another one of your "history book" thoughts.
It would be better for you, if you knew the apostle Paul better than the writers of your "history books"
---michael_e on 6/19/13


\\You can't actually prove that, it is just what you think isn't it?\\

I know you can't disprove it.

\\ You don't know those "history book" writers any better than I do.\\

Yes, I do.

And I might well know Jesus better than you do, too.

I know He knows ME and the writers of Orthodox books better than you do.

That suffices.

Glory to Jesus Christ1
---Cluny on 6/18/13


francis, you just do not get it are try not to get it. You say,
"Mark_V. on 6/18/13
are you trying to deny that he will speak to his people through vision?"
I never said that God didn't come to them in visions or dreams. What I said is that God never said that we should believe those who have visions and dreams. Do you know why? Because they can never, ever authenticate that what they say comes from God. God never said to listen and believe what others say not found in Scripture. Are we to compare Mohammed visions with Charles Russells visions? And say they are both truth because they said it came from God? You go ahead and believe their visions if it makes you a happy camper.
---Mark_V. on 6/19/13


StrongAxe, regarding Pauls writings did not Peter call them "Scriptures" 2 Peter 3:16.

Paul was selected by Jesus, turning a killer of Christians into a prolific evangelist, and writer. Do you imagine our Lord would do this and not inspire what Paul did and wrote on His behalf?

In Acts 23:11 we see Jesus again appeared telling Paul he must testify in Rome.

It was the Lord (Acts 22:21) who spoke to Paul sending him "far away to the gentiles."

A reading of Acts alone will show the Lord Jesus was with Paul, personally encouraging and guiding him.

In all this I see not even a suggestion Paul was not under the protection and guidance of the Lord and the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
---Warwick on 6/18/13




//When Orthodox writers quote the Bible, they are inspired by the Holy Spirit. When they write books, they are likewise inspired by the holy Spirit//
You can't actually prove that, it is just what you think isn't it? You don't know those "history book" writers any better than I do.
---michael_e on 6/18/13


which of you will tell God, not to speak again because what is written down is enough?
---francis on 6/18/13


But you have no point except for the one that makes your hats hard to fit.

When you quote the scripture, you are as inspired as the devil was, and from the same source.

When Orthodox writers quote the Bible, they are inspired by the Holy Spirit. When they write books, they are likewise inspired by the holy Spirit, but not in the same way or same degree as the Biblical writers are.

You will never be inspired, however, even were you to quote the Bible from the beginning to end.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/18/13


//I know they are more inspired by God than you are or will ever be.//
That could be true although you don't know me or the writers of your "history books"
Comparing the inspiration of your "history book" writers,
that you base your doctrine on, to the biblical writers is absurd
That's my point.
---michael_e on 6/18/13


---Mark_V. on 6/18/13
are you trying to deny that he will speak to his people through vision?

Numbers 12:6 And say, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, [and] will speak unto him in a dream.

You may not beleive what God says, I do
---francis on 6/18/13


\\You don't actually think the writers of "your history books" were more inspired than the biblical writers do you?
---michael_e on 6/17/13\\

I know they are more inspired by God than you are or will ever be.

That's my point.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/18/13


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---christan on 6/17/13

These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

You don't think that they were searching the NT do you?

---francis on 6/18/13


Steven, no one is right or wrong, the Bible is right, it is the Word of God, and only through the word of God the gospel, can anyone be saved. For faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Don't you understand that God's Word is the Truth? Who is the Truth? Jesus Christ. not the words of man, that is a false truth. Francis calls him Micheal the archangel.

Francis, you now give,
"Numbers 12:6 And say, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, [and] will speak unto him in a dream." God speaks to all of His children through the Spirit and makes Himself known to all of His children through the Word of God.
The visions of E.G. White were false visions, she got hit in the head as a child.
---Mark_V. on 6/18/13


What a pity.
All this backbiting, bickering, bitterness, and hatred certainly does not show any love on this blog.

Satan has successfully acomplished his task by dividing christiandom up into over 33,000 different cults ....
---Steveng on 6/17/13

Agree but, it is part of the fulfilling. If as your shepherd heart craves, it would be ended. Tares grow with the wheat until the end.
Mat_13:36 ... Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
We should leave the wide way denom's of men. We should each study to be approved. We should not "sheep-like" be led/influenced/eaten by "hirelings".
Joh_10:13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
---Trav on 6/18/13


christan:

At the time Paul was writing his epistles, they were just pastoral letters. They did not come to be considered "scripture" until much, much later. Paul didn't have a large enough ego to consider everything that dripped from his pen to be equivalent to dripping from the lips of God.
---StrongAxe on 6/17/13


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"2 Timothy 3. Does not referr to anything written in the NT. it only referrs to the OT" francis

Say what? Wasn't Paul a NT apostle of Jesus Christ? You're seriously adding words as you go along and that's because like a rat, you've been cornered. right?

Now, if you're right, it wouldn't hurt you to show us where in the Holy Scripture does it say what you have just proclaimed, right? But who knows, with the convoluted mind of yours you might show us something from the OT that what Paul wrote in Timothy doesn't refer to the NT but only to the OT.

You're a real piece of work.
---christan on 6/17/13


See the contradiction?
---christan on 6/17/13
There is no contradition for many reason
1: 2 Timothy 3. Does not referr to anything written in the NT. it only referrs to the OT
2: The idea that God has finished spoken is one of your imagination,
3: God promises that in the last days there will be dreams and vision
---francis on 6/17/13


I believe the scriptures alone are enough to introduce a man to his God and bring him to salvation.

That doesn't mean that extra-biblical writings are all false.
Scripture often refers to writings that are not a part of canon.
---Jasheradan on 6/17/13


servant, I just want to say Amen, Amen. The Holy book is my only inspiration. If what others say don't line up with the bible, throw it out. thanks servant.
---shira4368 on 6/17/13


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What a pity.

All this backbiting, bickering, bitterness, and hatred certainly does not show any love on this blog. It just goes to show ones selfish amitions that one is right over the other. You would even flame the words of Christ if he were on these blogs because what he would say would not conform to your worldly interpretation - including all worldly denominational churches and orthodox churches. Satan has successfully acomplished his task by dividing christiandom up into over 33,000 different cults each having their own rituals, traditions, ways of living and interpretations of God's word.
---Steveng on 6/17/13


//Was the devil inspired when he quoted the Bible to Jesus//
Of course he was inspired, but not by God.
You don't actually think the writers of "your history books" were more inspired than the biblical writers do you?
---michael_e on 6/17/13


\To believe in sola Scriptura is to believe you are your own master.\
That makes no sense that those that believe that scripture alone is sufficient for the knowledge of salvation is to be master over it.
\I can make the Scripture back up any sin I have done.\
Now this sounds moer like being master over scripture. You are Catholic?
\Because someone wanted to be in charge instead of God's appointed person.\
You do understand that Catholicism denominated from Orthodoxy over a millenia ago?
Pot-Kettle?
Speck-Beam?
---micha9344 on 6/17/13


Something need not be inspired or in the Bible to be true.

The multiplication table is true, though it's not in the Bible.

Another truth not in the Bible is that the American Civil War ran from 1861 to 1865.

Another historical fact is that the Orthodox Church existed before one word of the NT was written.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/17/13


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"As i keep saying, the word of God is NOT limited to what has already been written down" francis

And Scripture calls you a liar.

"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come... Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away... Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works."
from the book of 2 Timothy 3.

See the contradiction?

Thank God for His wonderful Word.
---christan on 6/17/13


To believe in sola Scriptura is to believe you are your own master.
I can make the Scripture back up any sin I have done.

Also that's why there are so many Protestant denominations.
Because someone wanted to be in charge instead of God's appointed person. As Moses' Sister and Brother. Number 4

You all even have the nerve to have a 'non denomination'.
Which is placed under the Protestant section in the phone book.
Even the people who set up the phone book knows 'non denomination' is a denomination.

Do you sing the Frank Sinatra's song 'I did it my way' as well?
Note the word 'sin' in his name.
---Nikki on 6/17/13


\\This is a post from the Bible, you actually think your "history books" are more inspired than the Bible?
" All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"
---michael_e on 6/17/13\\

Was the devil inspired when he quoted the Bible to Jesus?

Then your use of scripture is not inspired, either.

In fact, it's as blasphemous. All you do is bring more sin down on your head.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/17/13


Deu 18:20-22 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that [is] the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, [but] the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
Ellen G. White come to mind?
---micha9344 on 6/17/13


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I have dreams and visions, did God say you had to believe my visions and dreams?
---Mark_V. on 6/17/13

God is not talking about the sugar plum and unicorn dream you are having

Numbers 12:6 And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, [and] will speak unto him in a dream.
---francis on 6/17/13


Do not confuse that Scripture is to be the basis of our belief. First, we are to believe the words of Christ, and through his words to check against all other doctrine for reproof, correction, instruction in righteousness, etc... After all of Scripture has been authorized against Christ's word, an important question must be addressed. How can finite law and tradition compare to infinite wisdom, power and love of God? It cannot. The belief in the scripture being the FINAL authority is falsely grounded because this implies that tradition and man have some authority of their own. God's word is not the FINAL authority, it is the ONLY authority. "No one comes to the father except through me."
---A_servant on 6/17/13


francis, to oppose what I said you give,
"Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: the scripture itself promises us that we will have more dreams and vision to come"
I have dreams and visions, did God say you had to believe my visions and dreams? I don't see anything in the passage indicating that when a person has a dream or a vision other people should believe them. where is that command? We are in the last days, people are receiving the Spirit of God, and people are having dreams and visions. What else is new?
---Mark_V. on 6/17/13


//And books by Orthodox are more inspired by God than anything you will ever write or post here.//
//Not in the sense that the Bible is//
This is a post from the Bible, you actually think your "history books" are more inspired than the Bible?
" All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"
---michael_e on 6/17/13


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\\//we were called into being before the NT was put to parchment.//
You actually read that in one of your "inspired books" didn't you?
---michael_e on 6/16/13\\

It's a matter of history. The Church functioned in all her fullness before one word of the NT was ever written.

If you think the NT came before the Church did, you are as wrong as thinking anything you say is inspired by the Holy Spirit.

And your quoting of the Bible is meaningless. Satan quoted the Bible to Jesus, but that doesn't mean he was led by the Holy Ghost any more than you are.

And books by Orthodox are more inspired by God than anything you will ever write or post here.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/17/13


//we were called into being before the NT was put to parchment.//
You actually read that in one of your "inspired books" didn't you?
---michael_e on 6/16/13


Yes, we are to reject any visions or new revelations not found in Scripture. why?
---Mark_V. on 6/16/13
Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

the scripture itself promises us that we will have more dreams and vision to come

So to reject those dreams and vision which God has promised is to reject the word of God

As i keep saying, the word of God is NOT limited to what has already been written down



AGABUS
---francis on 6/16/13


\\You can't actually say the "books" you base your religion on are inspired of God can you?\\

You don't actually think that your misuse of Holy Scripture is inspired of God, do you? I KNOW it isn't.

And we don't base our religion on books, but on our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ Himself. If not one word of the NT had ever been written, it would have made no different to the faith and life of Orthodoxy, as we were called into being before the NT was put to parchment.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/16/13


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francis, you say,
"Do we then reject these dreams and vision, and say that we will only go by what has been canonized only and not a new word from God?"
Yes, we are to reject any visions or new revelations not found in Scripture. why? Because none of it can be authenticate it comes from God. The only word they have is the word of sinful man, and man cannot be trusted. Only God can be trusted. The reason we have so many denominations with different views is because of sinful man's ideas. Removing the Second Commandment in order to have idol worship is a mans idea. Removing Christ as our Mediator and only High Priest is another. Teaching that God gave man a free will to do what he wanted is not found in the Bible.
---Mark_V. on 6/16/13


//NOTHING you write is inspired by the Holy Spirit.//
Try this cluny
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"
You can't actually say the "books" you base your religion on are inspired of God can you?
---michael_e on 6/15/13


Why do advocates of Sola Scriptura always include extra-biblical chapter and verse divisions with scripture quotations ?
---James_L on 6/15/13


\\God apparently didn't do a good enough job with His book to suit your religion.
---michael_e on 6/15/13\\

And as we all know, michael_e, you have no book other than the Bible in your house or that you ever read.

All you do is prove my post--that NOTHING you write is inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/15/13


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the problem with sola Scriptura is that it limits the believer to what is already written down, and makes no room for God to select another prophet, or send another vision to His people - which God has promised us he will do:

Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Do we then reject these dreams and vision, and say that we will only go by what has been canonized only and not a new word from God?
---francis on 6/15/13


Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it

Proverbs 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

What these tells us is not to ass to what God has said, it does not tell us that God is finished speaking, or that God will not call another prophet

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

The phrase THIS BOOK only applies to the book of revelation, otherwise where would you have gotten this sunday instead of sabbath thing which you call biblical?
---francis on 6/15/13


//Not in the sense that the Bible is//
Then "these books" written by some self proclaimed commentator is actually what you place your faith in?
God apparently didn't do a good enough job with His book to suit your religion.
---michael_e on 6/15/13


\\You don't actually think these books are Holy Spirit inspired do you?\\

Not in the sense that the Bible is, but I know that these books explaining the differences between Orthodoxy and Western Christianity are more Holy Spirit inspired than anything YOU ever say, michael_e.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/15/13


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Nana, as to oppose Scripture alone, you now say,
"See, there is nothing wrong with a mind which is focused up on high things. I am led by the urgings of my mind, my heart and my soul, their conviction"
If we held your statment to be truth, then what this sinners say, the pope, leaders of the E. Othodox, Jim jones, John Smith, E.G. White, Charles Russell, Mohammad are all correct.
We should all listen to them. The Jim Jones group is out because they all killed themselves. That is a sorry excuse for rejecting Scripture alone.
No one has to go by Scripture alone, no one is forced to do that. In your mind, you can make up whatever truth is in your minds, just think of something, it will come to you.
---Mark_V. on 6/15/13


StrongAxe,

I do not believe in Sola Scriptura. My blog entry of 6/13/13 was intending to show that
Mark_V. who started this blog, do not go by Sola Scriptura, just pretends.
---Nana on 6/14/13


Nana:

Here is why Sola Scriptura cannot be true.

Let's suppose it IS true - that one can ONLY rely on scripture for matters of doctrine, and must reject any traditions not in scripture.

Then, how do you know just WHICH books scripture consists of? Scripture contains no list of such books, and no table of contents.

The list of which books are scripture are part of church tradition, outside of scripture - which contradicts the original assumption.

So, if Sola Scriptura is true, NOTHING can be considered valid scripture!
---StrongAxe on 6/14/13


"If sola Scriptura was true, there would be nothing written after: Deuteronomy 4:2" francis

Is this the "wisdom" that God "imparted" unto you? For all the "knowledge" you claim to have and the verses you "freely" quote from Scriptures, you bring forth such a comment? Wow!

There's a reason why the Holy Bible is also known as the Word of God. "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us..." God's prophesy in Deuteronomy 18:15 "The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me, unto him ye shall hearken..." must first be fulfilled for us to have the Holy Bible in its completed form.
---christan on 6/14/13


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"Question: if you're a Christian, are you being led by the Holy Spirit or by your carnal mind, which by the way is "an enmity to God"."
-christan on 6/14/13

Matthew 22:37 "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind."
See, there is nothing wrong with a mind which is focused up on high things. I am led by the urgings of my mind, my heart and my soul, their
conviction. What are you being led by, the whispers of a female Cuckoo bird in your ear? By the empathy you show for your fellow man (0),
that is how it is with you.
---Nana on 6/14/13


//There are books written on the subject.//
You don't actually think these books are Holy Spirit inspired do you?
As in mormonism, apparently orthodoxy is based more on these "books" more than THE BOOK.
---michael_e on 6/14/13


\\You can expound on the differences in orthodoxy and catholicism, if there are any.
---michael_e on 6/14/13\\

There are books written on the subject.

They certainly cannot be explained in just 125 words to people who have no conception of history, or to those like who who keep on conflating them.

As one Russian theologian put it, "All Protestants are cryptopapists."

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/14/13


If sola Scriptura was true, there would be nothing written after: Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it

or even after:Proverbs 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

and since revelation is not the last book written, we would have lost much of the four gospel

What then should we think of our prophet Agabus.
---Francis on 6/14/13


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"No wonder, with so many books the Sola has gone out the window!" Nana

Question: if you're a Christian, are you being led by the Holy Spirit or by your carnal mind, which by the way is "an enmity to God".

Christ explicitly declared, "It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." John 6:33 - and the promise of the Spirit is,

"Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth, is come, He WILL guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall he speak: and He WILL shew you things to come." John 16:13

It's a promise by God!
---christan on 6/14/13


To get back to wivv's original comment about Rev. 22:18, this passage clearly can NOT refer to the Bible as a whole, as there were several books of the NT remaining to be written.

Therefore, the verses he quoted can refer only to the book of Revelation itself.

This is the point I was trying to make, which some people have missed.

The order of the books in the NT has no more significance than convenience. Were they arranged in order of their composition, 1 Cor would be first and John's Gospel last.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/14/13


//However, St. Paul said, "I determined to know nothing but Jesus Christ and Him crucified." He also said, "We preach Christ Crucified."//
Not dead hanging on a cross.

//Do these verses mean he didn't believe in the Resurrection?//
On the contrary, that is a very important part of Paul's gospel, the death, burial and resurrection. Revealed to Paul by the risen Christ.
You can expound on the differences in orthodoxy and catholicism, if there are any.
---michael_e on 6/14/13


nana, thanks I am glad of your words. God bless
---shira4368 on 6/14/13


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Why is sola Scriptura useful to all of God's children?

Poeple want certainty, whether or not such certainty is justified. This is why people feel more comfortable with the idea of Sola Scriptura, even though the Bible never teaches it. This is also why people flock to charismatic leaders who tell them what to do and think (and, in extreme cases, why people flock to cults - because these have teachings that are always absolutes and claim to be certain).
---StrongAxe on 6/14/13


\\If you actually think Christ is risen why do you picture Him still hanging on a cross?
---michael_e on 6/14/13\\

Sounds like you have not yet been able to distinguish between Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism.

However, St. Paul said, "I determined to know nothing but Jesus Christ and Him crucified." He also said, "We preach Christ Crucified."

Do these verses mean he didn't believe in the Resurrection?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/14/13


Christ is risen,
//You don't actually think the books of the NT are arranged in the chronological order of their composition, do you/
Is this actually your punctuation?
You don't actually think the books being in chronological has any bearing on salvation do you?
If you actually think Christ is risen why do you picture Him still hanging on a cross?
---michael_e on 6/14/13


"Nana, am I reading your post correctly? Whosoever don't mean whosoever?"
---shira4368 on 6/14/13

Yes you are reading correctly but it is not me who says so. M5 is the one who says it. The Roman letter V stands for five and m5 is horhand for Mark_V. which is whom mentioned owning those books and those sermons.
To me whosoever means exctly that, whosoever.
---Nana on 6/14/13


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\\What has Revelation 22:18,19 got to do with whether the NT was arranged chronologically or not? \\

wivv seems to think that the NT books are arranged in chronological order of composition.

\\The very fact that Revelation is the last book of the Holy Bible speaks volume.\\

And just what is this significance, especially since in many Russian Bibles it's among the FIRST books of the NT?

You didn't think that English Bibles were the standard, did you?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/14/13


Nana, am I reading your post correctly? Whosoever don't mean whosoever?
---shira4368 on 6/14/13


Everything we teach must agree with the Bible for it is the truth.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/13/13

But who has the right interpretation of the word?
And why???
---Ruben on 6/14/13


"I do have over five hundred books from different writers and thousands of sermons from many."
m5
No wonder, with so many books the Sola has gone out the window!
Luke 6:47 "Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:..."

Simple to comprehend, yet m5 will search those books to deny the simplicity of the word.
To m5, 'whosoever' does not mean whosoever.
---Nana on 6/13/13


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"You don't actually think the books of the NT are arranged in the chronological order of their composition, do you?"

What has Revelation 22:18,19 got to do with whether the NT was arranged chronologically or not? The very fact that Revelation is the last book of the Holy Bible speaks volume. Nothing to do with whether the apostle John was the author or not or when it was written. It's been put there for a reason by the Holy Spirit.

Revelation is an encapsulation of what has happened, happening and what's going to happen. All the more you find the warning where it's supposed to be, in the last book and the very last verses of the Holy Bible.

Perfect where it is and nothing you can say or do will change it.
---christan on 6/14/13


JESUS said.

Jhn 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

When we place tradition over the word we are leaving truth and following men.

While not everything we do must be found in the Bible first. Everything we teach must agree with the Bible for it is the truth.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/13/13


I completely trust the Bible for those specific things listed in 1.Timothy.3:16,17, to be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
---Love.wins on 6/13/13


\\Revelation 22:18-19 (NKJV)
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book:\\

"This book" cannot possibly refer to the Bible as a whole, because certain books of the NT, such as John's Gospel and letters, had not yet been written.

You don't actually think the books of the NT are arranged in the chronological order of their composition, do you/

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/13/13


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Always use Scripture to answer Scripture. In the situation you present, here are two Scriptures that will give you the answer to your questions:

2 Timothy 3:16 (ASV)
Every scripture inspired of God is also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness.

Revelation 22:18-19 (NKJV)
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
---wivv on 6/13/13


Well, you have to admit that what books are in the Bible is a revelation NOT contained in the Bible itself.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/13/13


Why is sola Scriptura useful to all of God's children?
It provides a solid unchanging basis to counter-act lies of the devil.

//Is Scripture final authority? or is man's traditions equal to the authority of God's Word?// Man will come up with new revelation, traditions, and new implications of scripture, however those revelations will agree and will not contradict words of scripture. For example, Christmas - no biblical command to have holiday but since the wise men and shepards came at birth. Celebrating birth of Jesus a good thing.
---Scott1 on 6/13/13


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