Does Satan Lie
Did God speak the truth or did Satan? God said to Adam and Eve, If you eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you will die. (Gen 2:17) Satan said to Eve, You won't die. Soul immortality supports what Satan said.
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Gordon Ecclestiates 12:7 uses the same Hebrew word that is used for God's breath into Adam. It is from God and returns to God. IT'S GOD'S BREATH.
---therese on 6/29/13|
Gordon: Therese is right on this. I thought that you had understood the true nature of man:
Psa 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, in that very day his thoughts perish.
It is impossible to have conscious existence when your thoughts perish.
---jerry6593 on 6/29/13|
Jerry, now you say,
" Salvation occurs ONLY at the 2nd coming of Jesus when we are caught up to meet Him in the air. I hope to be saved."
I knew you were not saved now. You are under the law. All unbelievers are under the written letter of the law, condemned already. A very good reason why you speak for the Law, and not the Spirit of the Law. By nature you are a child of wrath. I knew I was right and now you admit it. Salvation is past, present and future. So you believe you are one of the elect who will be saved in the future. I thought you did not believe in election?
All believers have access to God already.
---Mark_V. on 6/29/13|
Gordon 6/28/13 The Lord breathed into his (Adam's) nostrils the breath of life and man BECAME a living SOUL. (also translated "being".) God didn't give him a soul. He became a soul, with all attributes that made him human.
---therese on 6/28/13|
Therese, That Verse about "...to dust you shall return..." applies to man's physical body, not his soul.
For GOD, first, formed man's physical body from the dust of the Earth, then HE breathed life into that earthen body.
That means the earthen body was created separately from man's soul.
Read this Verse carefully, ECCLESIASTES 12:7 says,
"Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto GOD Who gave it."
The body made of dust and the soul (spirit) are two different and separate things.
---Gordon on 6/28/13|
MarkV "You believe you are saved"
Now Little Markie, when did I ever say that I was saved? Are you just polishing up your lying skills again? Salvation occurs ONLY at the 2nd coming of Jesus when we are caught up to meet Him in the air. I hope to be saved. And I know that IF I make the right FREE WILL CHOICES, then by the power of God, I shall indeed be saved ON THAT DAY.
Now please stop applying your faulty religious understanding to me. I don't appreciate it.
---jerry6593 on 6/28/13|
Back to what God said to Adam and Eve. God said Gen 3:19 Out of dust you were taken, and to dust you will return. No word saying but part of you will live on. And verse 22-23 God put a guard on the tree of life so that they could not eat of it and live forever. In the whole of the OT not one word about a part of a person continuing to live in any form. NT calls death a sleep. Jesus says in John 5:28 that the hour is coming when all in their graves will hear His voice and come forth. When is that? Obviously at Jesus 2nd coming, as described in Pauls epistles. . Can the scriptures be any clearer.
---therese on 6/28/13|
Go argue with God. I'm merely His messenger showing you (a very limited portion of) His written Word of Truth.
If you'd of said that you'd not be a liar, but you are, because you misrepresent him having not learned the truth FROM HIM ALONE first.
If you really learned of him you wouldn't exclude the parts of scripture that show how God created man in his image to love (need a free choice to love) and fellowship with him in the splendor of spiritual purity.
You indeed are a blasphemer as you show only the portions of God's word pertaining to his sovereignty while ignoring what shows his loving disposition and abundant mercy to his creation.
---Pharisee on 6/27/13|
Thanks Jerry 6/27/13. I pray these Calvinists will as least think there may be a chance their interpretation is wrong and will see the great love of God for all mankind.
---therese on 6/27/13|
Therese: "bloggers who judge others as to whether they are saved or not if they do not believe the bible in the same way as they do."
I believe that the judgment of anyone's salvation - even our own - is the province of God alone, and not of any mortal man. That's why I think that these Calvinists here are blasphemers, because they usurp the prerogative of God. They even claim that they were "chosen" for salvation before the foundation of the earth. I've yet to hear one of them claim to be "chosen" for destruction. Go figure.
But don't give up. We need more people like you with honest, reasoned Bible exposition.
---jerry6593 on 6/27/13|
Christan: When I said (6/20/13)I believe if you have a close relationship with Jesus, are following Gods ways, are learning to love and respect others". I was speaking of sanctification once you have accepted salvation. We are sinners saved by grace through faith (Ephesians 3:8) and I believe one becomes the chosen, the elect, once you have accepted salvation.
---therese on 6/25/13|
I am new to Christonet and I have been upset by those bloggers who judge others as to whether they are saved or not if they do not believe the bible in the same way as they do. When Jesus was asked what one had to do to be given eternal life, He confirmed the answer the scribe gave Love the Lord God with all your heart, soul, strength and mind and your neighbour as yourself. (Luke 10:25-28) Eternal life is based on who you love (the one who gave us salvation as a gift ) not what you know.
---therese on 6/25/13|
Jerry, I see you did not answer my questions yet do a lot of talking, again concerning God,
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I AM Jehovah that doeth all these things" (Is. 45:7)
"Shall evil befall a city and Jehovah hath not done it?" (Amos 3:6)
"The thing which God forshowed by the mouth of His prophets, that His Christ shall suffer, He does fulfilled" (Acts 3:18).
" And it shall come to pass when they say unto Thee, whither shall we go forth? Such as are for death, to death, and such are for the sword, to the sword, and such as are for famine, to the famine, and such as are for captivity, to captivity." (Jer. 15:2).
---Mark_V. on 6/25/13|
"And now you assert that God Himself created the sin of Lucifer! What blasphemy!" jerry6593
"The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil." Proverbs 16:4, "I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." Isaiah 45:7
"What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction." Romans 9:22
Blasphemy? Who's the real blasphemer? Go argue with God. I'm merely His messenger showing you His written Word of Truth.
---christan on 6/24/13|
christen: I've never seen anyone argue with himself as much as you. And now you assert that God Himself created the sin of Lucifer! What blasphemy! Save your rot for someone else. I'm done.
---jerry6593 on 6/24/13|
Jerry, can you answer one question? You haven't answered the other questions I asked, mayb this one you will answer. Here is the question:
"Why are you so much against God chosing certain individuals to salvation? What is call the Election of God"
You believe you are saved, and that would make you one of the elect of God, So why are you determine to speak against the election of God? Why is it so important that people do not believe in the election of God if you are one of them?
---Mark_V. on 6/24/13|
Did you ever hear, "The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil." and that "But without faith it is impossible to please him"? Did you? To answer you, Lucifer was created to rebel against God, period.
And about you and I are being in the same boat? Dream on! It's either you are going to heaven with your doctrine and I to hell with mine, or vice-versa. Make no mistake, your doctrine and mine are heaven and hell apart, so don't kid yourself that we're in the same boat.
I simply said that 1 Corinthians 10:12 could also apply to you which you seem to think you're not a part of.
---christan on 6/23/13|
christan: "Btw, how can someone who has faith that Christ is God even fall? Think about that."
Did you ever hear of Lucifer?
And, doesn't your admission that you and I are in the same boat when it comes to falling away invalidate your argument that you are something special - predestined for salvation before the earth was, and that I and the rest of us unchosen losers have no chance of salvation?
---jerry6593 on 6/23/13|
jerry6593, I would also tell you outright that 1 Corinthians 10:12 would also apply to the likes of you. Btw, how can someone who has faith that Christ is God even fall? Think about that.
But let the Holy Bible add on to your woes, ...work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure." Philippians 2:12,13
So, are you that sure God is working in you to tremble and fear in your salvation or not? That's this verse is very foreign to free-willers and those who deny that Christ is God.
---christan on 6/22/13|
Christan: "We didn't do anything but sinned against God but in His mercy and grace through election, we are saved."
1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
---jerry6593 on 6/22/13|
Therese, I really don't know what you are talking about concerning satan. What does satan have to do with the Word of God? Talking about immortality and the Word of God of us at the Second Coming,
"For this corruptable must put on incorruption, "and this mortal must put on immortality," then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written,
Death is swallowed up in victory, O Death, where is your sting? O hades, where is your victory" (1 Cor. 15:53-55). This is the Word of the Lord, if it is a lie to you, then you have believe satan.
Everyone will physically die.
"And as it is appointed for men to die once and then the judgment" (Heb. 9:27).
---Mark_V. on 6/22/13|
Therese, with regards to Adam disobedience to God, you can be sure we (MarkV and I) know and believe - "as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned" - there's no doubt, ALL DIED!
With regards to salvation, you give the impression that you have been saved because "I believe if you have a close relationship with Jesus, are following Gods ways, are learning to love and respect others". Is that why God saved you?
Well, I'm sure MarkV would agree with me wholeheartedly that our salvation is nothing like yours. We didn't do anything but sinned against God but in His mercy and grace through election, we are saved.
---christan on 6/21/13|
JESUS CHRIST is GOD the son a member of the trinity.
The Bible says we are not immortal and that all of us will die. However all will also be resurrected. Some to eternal life in Heaven and the New Earth some to die the second death in the lake of fire.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/20/13|
Mark and Christian and others, if you believe in natural immortality in any form for all humans, Im sorry but you believe Satan when he said You will not die. However I believe if you have a close relationship with Jesus, are following Gods ways, are learning to love and respect others, you have salvation but you would have a much clearer view of the wonderful loving God we serve if you would reread Gods word without ideas out of Greek Mythology and admit Jesus used that concept to teach a lesson in the parable of Luke 16. I hope you will be happy to learn the truth about immortality for the wicked one day in heaven if not before, in life here.
---therese on 6/20/13|
1Cliff, as I said before, there is no way anyone can discuss the Word of God with you when you don't believe in the Word of God. You say,
"Mark V, Although I'm no longer a witness ,saying they don't believe the bible is just plain prejudice," You might not call yourself a witness, but you respond as a witness with their beliefs. Then say,
" they have much more knowledge than you! Do you believe the Talmud? It's a holy book!"
I am a Christian, I believe the Scriptures, the Word of God. The Jew's do not believe the word of God, the reason they are lost. Jehovah Witnesses been smarter does not make them believers in Jesus Christ who is God. It exposes them as imposters.
---Mark_V. on 6/21/13|
"A classic example of your style, instead of answering the question ,go off on a tangent ranting and raving!" 1stCliff
Me ranting and raving? Ya, right. There's nothing to rant and rave with an unbeliever or anyone who doesn't even believe that Jesus Christ is God.
But worse of all are those who hypocritically call themselves Christians and at the same breath deny the Christ is God. Such are what Christ told us as not to "throw pearls to swines".
O, and one more from the Scripture, "Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you."
---christan on 6/20/13|
Jesus told the Jews:Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Joh 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
---billy9676 on 6/20/13|
Christian, A classic example of your style, instead of answering the question ,go off on a tangent ranting and raving!
Mark V, Although I'm no longer a witness ,saying they don't believe the bible is just plain prejudice, they have much more knowledge than you! Do you believe the Talmud? It's a holy book!
You're like a pre-programmed robot! Can you not think for yourself???
---1st_cliff on 6/20/13|
1stCliff, you can go on with your bantering about what you know as compared to what I understand of the Holy Bible.
But as Christ explicitly declared, "But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." Your words are what your situation is, and so is mine.
And more importantly, my Saviour admonishes me, "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."
---christan on 6/19/13|
1Cliff, I really don't know how you can argue anything anyone says when you do not even believe the Bible is the Word of God. You only believe what you want. How is it possible for anyone to have a Biblical conversation with you? Not possible. Of course you already said you use to be a Jehovah Witness, they also do not believe in the Holy Bible, the reason they made one just for themselves. Sometimes I want to answer you, but it is useless because you have no faith in the Word of God. You can hear the Truth over and over, but it will just go over your head. It never comes to you in power and in the Holy Spirit.
At least let those who believe the Word of God answer each other.
---Mark_V. on 6/20/13|
Christan: "According to Christ's teaching in Luke 16, there's a "holding" place call Paradise and Hades where the saints and reprobates are being held until the return of Christ on Judgement Day."
No, there is not! Luke 16 does not mention paradise. Paradise is the garden of God, which contains the tree of life, and is found only in heaven. Hades is merely the grave in Christ's parable, but you preach is a Catholic doctrine taken from Greek mythology.
---jerry6593 on 6/20/13|
In various places in the gospels, Jesus refers to the 1st death (in contrast to the 2nd death in the lake of fire in Revelation 20) as a sleep. He knew he will one day wake every human to face judgment. Yes we do return to dust but He can wake us and recreate us. Wow!! How great is our God!!. When one goes to sleep, there is no consciousness of the passing of time hence Pauls wish in Philippians 1:23 that he could be with the Lord immediately. His next conscious moment will be at the 2nd coming of Jesus. Scripture knows nothing of a holding place other than the grave and returning to dust.
---therese on 6/20/13|
Christian, ** there is a holding place called paradise and hades** No Christian, you are the one confused.
This is straight out of Greco-Roman mythology where souls are kept in Hades guarded over by a three headed dog Cerberus
**They will have a spiritual body but not a glorified one** What you don't know as fact, you make up, right?
---1st_cliff on 6/19/13|
Sorry didn't make it clear. I know full well the Lazarus of John 11 is not the same as this Lazarus of Luke 16.
---therese on 6/19/13|
satan I a liar and the father of it.
---shira5368 on 6/19/13|
Therese, Paul does not contradict the teachings of Jesus Christ and neither does Scripture contradict Scripture.
You're very confused. As MarkV rightly say, the Lazarus in John 11 is not the same as the one in Luke 16. According to Christ's teaching in Luke 16, there's a "holding" place call Paradise and Hades where the saints and reprobates are being held until the return of Christ on Judgement Day.
Then, the saints await the glorification while the reprobates, though is not written about what it is called, I believe will also have a "spiritual body" but not a glorified one as the saints, for their eternal punishment in hell.
---christan on 6/19/13|
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Mark_V. on 6/18/13 This was an actual incident that really took place.
Believing this is a true story poses problems with some scriptures that seem to be very clear to me. Paul comforted believers who had dead loved ones with the words of 1 Thess 4:13-18, telling them they will come back to life when Jesus returns. I wonder why he didnt write that they are with God with new bodies but that would contradict what he wrote in 1 Cor 15:51-56 . Then too if you had been Lazarus (Mary and Marthas brother) (John 11) whom Jesus brought back to life, how would you have felt to be brought back from thee bliss of heaven? Or how do you feel about an unsaved loved one being in torture?
---therese on 6/19/13|
Therese, you say,
" was to question Christian 6/16/13 that if this is a true story, how could the rich man and Lazarus have these new bodies when this does not happen until the 2nd"
First, Jesus does not tell lies. His is the Truth. The beggar was not the Lazarus in (John 11) who died at a later time. This was an actual incident that really took place. Christ employs it the same as a parable, to teach a lesson. In this case for the benefit of the Pharisees. The suggestion that a rich man would be excluded from heaven would have scandalized the Pharisee. Scripture consistently teaches that the spirit of the righteous dead go immediately into the presence of God (Luke 34:43: 2 Cor. 5:8: Phil 1:23).
---Mark_V. on 6/18/13|
Christian, You believe the soul is immortal and leaves the body, just like the Egyptians . A false pagan lie!
---1st_cliff on 6/18/13|
Mark 6/17/13 My reason for directing thoughts to 1 Cor 15:51-56 was to question Christian 6/16/13 that if this is a true story, how could the rich man and Lazarus have these new bodies when this does not happen until the 2nd coming. Could someone advise me how to bold words in comments.
---therese on 6/17/13|
"As a result, when Jesus spoke that story about the rich man and Lazarus, if it was not a parable, it was a prophecy - but it was not something that had already happened." Peter9556
How and where did you get that from? Do you even know what's a prophesy?
Luke 16:22 explicitly says, "And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried." It didn't say the "beggar and the rich man was going to die" but they DIED.
These are not my words but that of the Holy Bible, so how did you understand it to be a prophesy? I can understand if you want to insist it as a parable as some here do, but a prophesy?
---christan on 6/17/13|
Christan: 'Contrary to many here, Luke 16:19-31 is not a parable.' While your comment about the names is a reasonable comment, it was not something in the present of the past, taking from Rev 19:11-15, as it is not until the end of the world that people are sent into heaven or hell.
As a result, when Jesus spoke that story about the rich man and Lazarus, if it was not a parable, it was a prophecy - but it was not something that had already happened.
---Peter9556 on 6/17/13|
"Where does scripture say that if a person is named ,it's literal?" 1stCliff
"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." Matthew 12:36,37
Is it then any wonder that you do not believe that Jesus Christ is God even when the Holy Bible says so?
O, your conclusion of me being a pagan with regards to the soul returning to a "mummified" body like the Egyptian? Where did I in any of my blogs wrote of such a thing? Please feel free to post it and expose me, if you can't, you're a liar!
---christan on 6/17/13|
The soul that experiences eternal death in Hell and in the Lake of Fire, is a soul that is "alive" but is stripped of everything that is good, loving and uplifting, and it left with physical, emotional, mental and spiritual Torments throughout Eternity. That is not real "LIFE" as GOD gives to those who are truly Born Again from above. The Serpent worded it in such a way as to give off the impression that he was only alluding to immediate physical death. Which, when Eve and Adam ate the forbidden fruit they DID NOT die immediately. But, what they didn't think of is GOD's warning of the Death in all the other aspects I mentioned above! i.e. Satan played on words to deceive Eve.
---Gordon on 6/17/13|
You are looking at this through wrongfully testing eyes. God spoke of his perfect world he had created, and their wasting mortal lives, Satan has no knowledge of who is in the book of life and therefore could not even know of their eternal life in heaven, making his words lies.
---A_servant on 6/17/13|
Therese, that is not what the passages are saying in,
"Dont verses 51 to 56 tell us when this spiritual, new body will be given?"
If you had read (v. 53,54) you would have known what 51,52 was speaking about.
"For this corruptable (flesh who has died) must put incorruptaion (glorified body) and this mortal (flesh) must put on immortality" The glorified body will be immortal. continues with,
"Then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written:
Death is swallowed up in victory" That is the victory, that we will be changed at the Second Coming to never die again. Death is swallowed up in victory.
---Mark_V. on 6/17/13|
Christian 6/16/13 I suggest you read 1 Corinthians 15, Paul explains it clearly.
Verse 35 asks How are the dead raised up and with what body? Verses 36-50 describe this new body. Dont verses 51 to 56 tell us when this spiritual, new body will be given? At the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound and we shall be changed, for the dead shall be raised incorruptible and we shall be changed, for this corruptible shall put on incorruption and this mortal must put on immortality.
---therese on 6/17/13|
Christian, Still peddling paganism I see!
The Egyptians mummified the body believing that the soul could re visit at will. If the body decayed they still had the casket that was carved in the likeness of the person! Your nonsense says the same thing. None of Luke 16 is literal. Where does scripture say that if a person is named ,it's literal?
You made this up, huh?
---1st_cliff on 6/17/13|
Therese, you also say,
" It paints a horrible picture of my loving God punishing the unsaved for all eternity. Many people have turned against Christianity because of this erroneous teaching, straight out of Greek mythology."
They do not turn away because of this teachings, they are already turned away, and cannot turn away more then they already are. They are lost. They don't get further lost. An no genuine Christian, who is a child of God turns away from been a Christian. He is moved and guide by and sealed by the Holy Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 6/17/13|
"It paints a horrible picture of my loving God punishing the unsaved for all eternity." Therese
Isaiah 6:3 - "And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory." and this is how Christ taught His people to pray to the Father, "Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name." Did Isaiah or Christ say "love, love, love"?
Understand that God is first and foremost, "HOLY" (in Isaiah, three times Holy - confirming God is three in One). In His Holiness comes forth His love and hate. Explicitly we are told, "saith the Lord: yet I loved Jacob, And I hated Esau" Malachi 1:2,3
---christan on 6/16/13|
Therese, the body we have on this earth is merely a vessel for our soul and spirit to reside in, but most importantly God made it from dust and He cursed it when Adam sinned against Him, "for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return".
Contrary to many here, Luke 16:19-31 is not a parable. That's because parables do not make specific mention of people and names, which in this particular case does. Christ was explicitly relating to the rich man, Lazarus and Abraham.
What we are told by Paul is the saved will receive a "glorified body like Christ, who's in the heavens". I suggest you read 1 Corinthians 15, Paul explains it clearly.
---christan on 6/16/13|
Christian, thanks for the prayers. Something to consider about the parable of the rich man and Lazarus. If this was to teach what happens at death, then do those who died in the time of Jesus go to heaven or hell with bodies? (tongues and fingers mentioned in the parable) If this is a real story, I wonder if their bodies were still in their graves. Are the dead in heaven or hell with bodies today. If they are, why would there be a resurrection of the dead at the Lords coming.
---therese on 6/16/13|
Mark, my reason asking the question Who is telling the truth? is to direct thoughts to the doctrine (I believe not supported in the bible) of natural immortality. It paints a horrible picture of my loving God punishing the unsaved for all eternity. Many people have turned against Christianity because of this erroneous teaching, straight out of Greek mythology.
---therese on 6/16/13|
"Could Eternal death be a death from which there is no waking up." Therese
Do read Luke 16:19-31 and I pray that God Almighty opens your heart as He did with Lydia to the understanding of what Jesus Christ was teaching in the death of two people.
"Also for ever and ever (Rev 20:14) is not the same meaning as everlasting or eternal but means to the end of the age. The Lake of fire will have an end."
No one can fathom what eternal means BUT it's to do with God's being, which is timeless and that's the closest we can understand of eternal, until we be with the Lord. "Forever and ever" is a description that it never ends, contrary to your understanding.
---christan on 6/15/13|
Therese: You are right on! Satan is the liar - not God. The Bible does not teach the unconditional immortality of the soul, as many believe, but that immortality is a free gift to be received in the future at the coming of Jesus. The "spook within us" doctrine has its origins in pagan ancestor worship.
---jerry6593 on 6/15/13|
God will soon destroy the old earth and the old heavens and create a new earth and nes heavens. Would a loving God also bring everlasting torment and evil to the new earth and heavnes?
---Steveng on 6/15/13|
"Does satan lie?
Is the Pope Catholic?"
---1st_cliff on 6/13/13
---Leon on 6/15/13|
Believing in natural soul immortality makes Romans 6:23 say The wages of sin is death (which isnt really death but life in hell) but the gift of God is eternal life.
---therese on 6/15/13|
Christian wrote of Eternal Death 6/14/13. Could Eternal death be a death from which there is no waking up. Also for ever and ever (Rev 20:14) is not the same meaning as everlasting or eternal but means to the end of the age. Jonah said he was in the fish forever. (Jonah 2:6) It was 3 days. Jerusalem burnt with unquenchable fire. It was totally destroyed, no one could put the fire out. Worms which eat dont stay around when the food all gone. The Lake of fire will have an end.
---therese on 6/15/13|
Therese, I don't know why you ask if God spoke the truth to Adam and Eve. God is the Truth. When God told Adam he would die if he disobeyed, he did die spiritually that day, he and Eve were separated from God, they hid from God (Gen. 3:8). Death carries three meaning when mentioned. It can be spiritual separation, physcial separation, or eternal separation which means eternal death. At the moment of their sin, Adam and Eve died spiritually, but because God was merciful they did not die physically until later (5:5). In (Gen. 3:1) the serpent misquoted God. In (Gen. 3:4) he spoke a lie mixed with truth. They would die, and they did come to know good and evil as he said.
---Mark_V. on 6/15/13|
\\Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine, as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. \\
A text without a context is a pretext. Samuelbb illustrates this.
The context of this verse clearly shows "soul" as as part for the whole, and that a persons sin (or crime) does not work "corruption of blood", as the Constitution calls it.
In other words, only the guilty party is punished, and NOT the family as well.
Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 6/14/13|
Thanks Therese. That clears it up for me. I appreciate that. So now I'm going to take a break from Christianet for a few weeks. I wish everyone well and God's blessings!
---Love.wins on 6/13/13|
"GOD will destroy the souls of the wicked." Samuelbb7
"Destroying" the soul to you means it will cease to exist? That's not what Matthew 10:28 means. Heard of "eternal death"?
"the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever." Revelation 20:10
"And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." Matthew 25:30, "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched." Mark 9:44
Does this sound like those who are going to hell will cease to exist?
---christan on 6/14/13|
1 Tim 6:16 says only God has immortality. 1 Cor 15:53 tells us that we are mortal, and the saved will put on immortality at the return of Jesus. Nothing is written of the unsaved being given immortality.
---therese on 6/13/13|
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Where or when did God say we have immortal souls?
---Love.wins on 6/13/13|
Well love wins: God said so that is how we know.
---shira4368 on 6/13/13|
Well the Bible never says the soul is immortal.
Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine, as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
GOD will destroy the souls of the wicked.
Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
This doctrine is called Conditionalism and has been around thousands of years. Dr. Fudge a Professor at a Christian University wrote a book on it.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/13/13|
Do people have immortal souls? How can you tell?
---Love.wins on 6/13/13|
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You don't know who is the liar and who is telling the trust?
---Nikki on 6/13/13|
Does satan lie?
Is the Pope Catholic?
---1st_cliff on 6/13/13|
Technically, neither Satan nor the Devil are mentioned in Genesis. The one tempting Eve was the Serpent.
---StrongAxe on 6/13/13|
Last I checked Adam and Eve were dead. God spoke truth. Satan's lie was that they could become like God but they already were like God. "created in the image of God" both spiritually (connected to God) and physically (undying). Eating the fruit made them spiritually dead, separated from God, immediately, physical death came soon after. yes the soul/spirit continues everlastingly on but John 10:10 says "I come to give life and life to the fullest." Death is not the worst thing, Death without God is. Soul immortality without God is worse than non-existance.
---Scott1 on 6/13/13|
Satan is the chief of lie's & deception.
1 Peter 5:8 (NASB77)
Be of sober spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls about like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.
What you mentioned in your question is one of the first lies of Satan. Satan is the "master" of telling half truths. "Die" in this case doesn't mean physical death, but separation from God, although Eve didn't realize this & Satan didn't mention this fact to Eve. Nor did Satan tell Eve that while she may have immortality - he didn't tell her it would be in hell.
---wivv on 6/13/13|
But they did eventually suffer physical death, as we all will as long as Jesus tarries.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/13/13|
"Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God, neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not." John 8:42-45
---christan on 6/13/13|